5.2 Feedback: The story is getting a bit out of hand...

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Originally Posted by Riardon

They need to stop reviving characters. It feels very cheap.
The robed man talking to Zenos also looks like Asahi.

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Oh no, no NO to the hells NO! I swear if they bring back that little dweeb I'm gunna rage and by rage i'll stare at my screen disapprovingly whilst drinking my tea disapprovingly and shaking my head...disapprovingly.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Two words for you my friend... Time. Bubble.

Add to that the fact that while we the player have been privy to various cutscenes and scenarios featuring Gaius working against the Ascians/Empire and with the Eorzean Alliance, we the WoL have not had as much exposure to him and are likely still getting comfortable with the idea of working with a former enemy.

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I don't really buy into the Time Bubble thing and I doubt many other people do either. Not just because of lack of suspended disbelief but moreso because a lot of time has passed in their real lives too. So its been a long time for a lot of people and new players play through so much content by this time the events of ARR feel like old news.

That said...

I also cannot truly go for your second point either. Since Kryle and Alphinaud at multiple times bring this information up to the Warrior of Light as well. So even though you weren't really there for the cutscenes... you are aware of the information and their stories.

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Originally Posted by Mansion

I think Vahlnir meant "dead but not dead".
Like Nanamo, (Ilberd to some degree between 2.5 and 3.4/5), Gosetsu, Gaius, Yotsuyu, Zenos, Y'shtola (twice). And that's not counting Ascian possessing dead bodies and stuff.
I too think playing the "you think I was dead, but I was just waiting to conveniently slide in your DMs when the MSQ needs me too" gets annoying quite fast.

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Yep. That is exactly what I was talking about.

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Originally Posted by Riardon

They need to stop reviving characters. It feels very cheap.
The robed man talking to Zenos also looks like Asahi.

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On one hand, I definitely agree death loses its impact if it never really matters.
On the other hand... I am so excited to see Asahi again.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Let's be honest, it will be Y'shtola

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Yep, that sounds about right.

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Originally Posted by BiddyBatnana

Do not play Kingdom Hearts then.

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Cant think of a more convoluted story than KH. Loved the first one. Ended up hating the whole series. Never again.

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Originally Posted by TheJarvisMan

Keeping up with who is alive or dead or revived or possessed or in the lifestream or just an aethereal projection or a successor of a predecessor by the same name is getting out of hand. I feel like I need Microsoft Visio open on my other monitor to keep a flowchart for all of this. I loved Emet's story, and I felt for the Ascians... but everything since 5.0 ended has been a jumbled mess.

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I think its fantastic. To each their own I guess ^_^;

What Im curious to know is if the Ascians and Garlean characters can all be brought back to life in some way, Maybe we could do the same with Moenbryda and somehow Papalymo.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

Guy took over the warrior of lights body

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How did they keep it from decomposing for 100+ years?
He looks picture perfect. At least SE could have brought in some proper zombie action.

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Originally Posted by MoonPhaseAlpha

I'm wondering the same thing. The bar has been set high with this expansion. Very intrigued where SE plans on taking the Scions from here.

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A sacrifice is necessary and we have to choose which one of our friends pays the ultimate price.
With lasting repercussions in both relationships and story unfolding.

One can dream, right?

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Cant think of a more convoluted story than KH. Loved the first one. Ended up hating the whole series. Never again.

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The story was more complicated than it needed to be, sure, but up until KH3 I enjoyed the story. Then it felt like it was just...rushed out the door with little to no forethought, and they released DLC later which should have been in the game to begin with to make it feel more complete. The end of the game was about the only real good part though, at least in my opinion. I can't justify giving them more money for the DLC. They should have just released a shorter game as a paid download that was the final battles. lol Most of the entire game felt like it never really mattered up until that point anyway, and the overall story had already been told in games prior.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Cant think of a more convoluted story than KH.

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Convoluted is an understatement. This game is the epitome of it lol. Loved it to pieces, but I'm still trying to warp my head around the story...

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Originally Posted by MoonPhaseAlpha

Convoluted is an understatement. This game is the epitome of it lol. Loved it to pieces, but I'm still trying to warp my head around the story...

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I gave up on KH after 3D. If you ignore all of the games except for 1, CoM, 2, and BbS, you have a complete-ish story there. Anything more than those is...unnecessary convolution.

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Originally Posted by BiddyBatnana

Do not play Kingdom Hearts then.

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Kingdom hearts is easy if you just remember that nobody is dead ever. Not even the canonically dead people.

Except for Sora's mom apparently who's been MIA since the first game.

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Originally Posted by Mansion

I think Vahlnir meant "dead but not dead".
Like Nanamo, (Ilberd to some degree between 2.5 and 3.4/5), Gosetsu, Gaius, Yotsuyu, Zenos, Y'shtola (twice). And that's not counting Ascian possessing dead bodies and stuff.
I too think playing the "you think I was dead, but I was just waiting to conveniently slide in your DMs when the MSQ needs me too" gets annoying quite fast.

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Most of those were hinted at pretty quickly that they were not dead. So it's not a case of you thinking they're dead and then down the line they "surprised" you with them not being dead. And as long as there is an explanation that they didn't actually die, I see no problem with it, especially in a world of magic.

Also, Ascian possessing dead bodies are an established fact, so there is no point if they only possess bodies of people we don't know.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I gave up on KH after 3D. If you ignore all of the games except for 1, CoM, 2, and BbS, you have a complete-ish story there. Anything more than those is...unnecessary convolution.

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I watched a YouTube video summary of the entire story once, hoping it would help. Nope, just made things worse lol.

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Originally Posted by Riardon

They need to stop reviving characters. It feels very cheap.
The robed man talking to Zenos also looks like Asahi.

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I'll only be okay with that if it turns out to be Lahabread possessing him or if it means my WoL can stab him herself this time.

Or both.

Itll be a hoot when we all come back to the source but half the scions are being bodysnatched by second tier asians we never knew existed and the world ends because we're like "sure I'll give you a hug" and we get stabbed threeveteen times to make sure we really die, before being bodysnatched after deaths uniting the world under the banner of New Ascia, formerly Garlemald.


Or rather, that's where the plot SHOULD go now that we know ascians can just reanimate replicas of bodies that were obliterated into bits, but it wont, because they'll forget how to do it by the next patch.

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Why the hell would I still be holding a Grudge against Gaius at this point

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Hes trustworthy right up until the point you realize he never killed any asians, used emo dragoon to set up an alibi, and the masks he has are just a few sleepers hes carrying around to slap onto our friends Mask-style to carry out his true goals.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Two words for you my friend... Time. Bubble.

FFXIV's approach to timelines is wonky at best, but it's a hard rule that whatever point you are at in the MSQ, it's been 5 years since the Calamity [...] So technically it's been less than a year since we were trying our damnedest to kill each other.

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That's not really what the time bubble is for, though. It means we don't expect the calendar to move forward despite months (if not rightfully years) of time and activity between then and now. Our character has still been through everything inbetween.

I also felt my character was overly aggressive towards Gaius, both when we met earlier in 4.x and now. That's not to say she'd be rightfully extremely wary of him and his motives, but the outright threatening gestures seem out of character.