Eden 8 ( Spoilers) Ummm....Square?

Wow just the blatant hypocrisy they rant for a hour in live letter about NSFW mods then do this. I wouldn't care if they didn't waste a hour of live letter time whole hour of my life I cant get back i would unsub if i hadn't already unsubbed fanfest plans canceled as if I'd even be able to get tickets cause gil sellers bots gonna buy them all.

If only Ryne was 18 and not 17, I'm I right bois? Literal CHILD, but in one year she will magically evolve like a pokemon and become adult enough for SJW people.

Isn't nudity representing purity in japan if I remember correctly.

But if when it transforms the last thing it seems is a Child...
This reminds me of the problems of Nezuko (Kimetsu no Yaiba) where the woke of twitter was complaining about her fansart being an adult.

The boss doesn't look like a child in ANYTHING, it's more Edda looks more like a child than Ryne in this fight. Sometimes I forget that this game is full of the same fools of twitter and some posts here are the perfect example.

Who let their middle-aged parents play in Eden? The pearl-clutching is off the charts on these forums lately

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Originally Posted by Enla

but I don't get why they went about it in the way they did, as there's dozens of other ways they could have incorporated him into the fight... Or dodged the matter entirely by not having Ryne mantle Shiva at all.

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Because it's a Japanese game. If you have watched enough anime you'll know that this sort of thing isn't uncommon. I wasn't surprised to see it because I have seen that sort of thing before in anime countless times.

Japan is very strict on outfits in daily life compared to the west, but when it comes to fictional characters that very frequently goes out the window.

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

If only Ryne was 18 and not 17, I'm I right bois? Literal CHILD, but in one year she will magically evolve like a pokemon and become adult enough for SJW people.

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Come on, you're telling my sister that she's 23 years old that she can't look sexy because she still looks 15 years old. Mental mature you say? I have a friend with 29 years and she continues to behave as if she were 13 years old to the point that we have discussed a lot of times because of the embarrassment she gives us.

I mean... I ain't defending paedophilia, so I think I've got the morale highground here.

You seem desperate to defend half-naked underage girls and it's scary how close your defences are to actual paedophiles.

"I don't see them as a child."
"It's acceptable in this country so it should be fine even if not acceptable here."
"You are the ones that are close minded and have problems."

It's a child wearing an outfit so low cut I don't think it has a bottom. I have every right to have a problem with it.

You seem to really, really not grasp that it's a child wearing a revealing, sexualised outfit. I fail to see why this is so hard to grasp.

I put this in one of the other stupid threads about this, but I think equating some mild nudity with sexuality or "sexualization" says more about you than whoever designed the fight. People are naturally naked, just like every other animal, and she's not engaged in a sex act; she's kicking your teeth in.

Guys, what happens to Ryne is even milder than what we see in every single episode of Sailor Moon.

Come on now, let's put things into perspective.

No real child was harmed during the filming of E8.

And what happens in E8 is not giving birth to a new horde of perverts - because the perverts were already all over Ryne even before E8 happened.

Get real.

Yes, my character name is Reimu Hakurei and I am not ashamed.

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Originally Posted by Nero24200

I mean... I ain't defending paedophilia, so I think I've got the morale highground here.

You seem desperate to defend half-naked underage girls and it's scary how close your defences are to actual paedophiles.

"I don't see them as a child."
"It's acceptable in this country so it should be fine even if not acceptable here."
"You are the ones that are close minded and have problems."

It's a child wearing an outfit so low cut I don't think it has a bottom. I have every right to have a problem with it.

You seem to really, really not grasp that it's a child wearing a revealing, sexualised outfit. I fail to see why this is so hard to grasp.

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No, it is a PRIMAL that has an unimaginable amount of years that is based on an ADULT that uses a girl as a container. And I tell you another fact, it takes the form of the same girl but in an adult version.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I love how this is talking about normal mode, you guys have no idea.

Spoilers for savage mode differences:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...8s_transition/

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Savage is the one that is in my mind with these discussions. I think that’s a bit ridiculous to have on a child. “Yeah Yeah but she’s fictional” but it’s a bit much to me. How can you not see that as sexualized when the one covering her is her lover???? There’s no other way to see that savage transition imo.

Clinging to the whole “13 is the age of consent” in Japan is gross imo. That may be the case in some instances but I’m pretty sure that would be WITH ANOTHER 13ish year old. Not with adults. Seeing ‘Ryne waifu’ comments in chat is highly disturbing and we have scenes like that to thank for it.

Also your body is still developing your whole life, when you are 25 you look far more like an adult than you did when you were 17 so no a teen does not look like an adult. You body never stops developing, its how we age.

This is setting aside the fact that I was disappointed with Ryne being the catalyst for this in the first place, I wanted to see the first’s Ysayle.

I love Ryne's new outfits. You don't? Well it's your problem, not mine.

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Originally Posted by Lolli282

Seeing ‘Ryne waifu’ comments in chat is highly disturbing and we have scenes like that to thank for it.


This is setting aside the fact that I was disappointed with Ryne being the catalyst for this in the first place, I wanted to see the first’s Ysayle.

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I am sorry that random people in an online game writing comments about fictional characters "highly disturb" you. I can guarantee you that "Ryne waifu" was written before Shadowbringers was even released (albeit they called her Minfilia, back then).

Maybe you should uninstall Internet. Or society in general, while you are at it.

Also sorry you did not get what you wanted. But hey, most people prefer Ryne (and Gaia!) to Ysayle. Tough luck.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

I am sorry that random people in an online game writing comments about fictional characters "highly disturb" you.

Maybe you should uninstall Internet. Or society in general, while you are at it.

Also sorry you did not get what you wanted. But hey, most people prefer Ryne (and Gaia!) to Ysayle. Tough luck.

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Wooow venomous aren’t we? Must have struck a nerve.

Maybe YOU should quit the internet if you can’t handle people having an opinion that’s different from your own.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

(albeit they called her Minfilia, back then)

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I still like the name "Minifilia" for her.

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Originally Posted by Lolli282

Wooow venomous aren’t we? Must have struck a nerve.

Maybe YOU should quit the internet if you can’t handle people having an opinion that’s different from your own.

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Uh? Why should I quit? I am perfectly fine with my new waifu.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

I am sorry that random people in an online game writing comments about fictional characters "highly disturb" you. I can guarantee you that "Ryne waifu" was written before Shadowbringers was even released (albeit they called her Minfilia, back then).

Maybe you should uninstall Internet. Or society in general, while you are at it.

Also sorry you did not get what you wanted. But hey, most people prefer Ryne (and Gaia!) to Ysayle. Tough luck.

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Comments like yours are exactly why having proper discussions about topics like this are highly impossible.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Also sorry you did not get what you wanted. But hey, most people prefer Ryne (and Gaia!) to Ysayle. Tough luck.

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Ignoring your other statement bc easy bait, I forgot to say I like Gaia, and was actually hoping she was gonna be “Ysayle” and become Shiva.

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Originally Posted by Lolli282

Ignoring your other statement bc easy bait, I forgot to say I like Gaia, and was actually hoping she was gonna be “Ysayle” and become Shiva.

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Both Ryne and Gaia are obvious anime waifus. Hell, the entire 5.2 is anime, they even have introduced Char Aznable's Custom Zaku II The Ruby Weapon.


The fanbase for Gaia is going to be huge. You will probably be highly disturbed as well.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Both Ryne and Gaia are obvious anime waifus. Hell, the entire 5.2 is anime, they even have introduced Char Aznable's Custom Zaku II The Ruby Weapon.


The fanbase for Gaia is going to be huge. You will probably be highly disturbed as well.

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We’ll see, I’m not above skimpy clothes, it’s just Ryne’s savage outfit was shocking to me. Gaia to me seems older, maybe its her overall look. I wouldn’t have been shocked to see her in that transition is all I’ll say.

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Originally Posted by DubiousDisk

Comments like yours are exactly why having proper discussions about topics like this are highly impossible.

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Sadly, there was nothing "proper" about the post I replied to. I reiterate that people being "disturbed" by such a thing should take a step back and look things from a perspective, and in an objective manner.

E8S changes literally NOTHING. Being shocked or disturbed by someone typing "xxxxx waifu" means being out of touch with reality. Truth is, a lot of people are not disturbed by pixels being indicative of flesh or fabric. And most people do not even care in the first place. If the minority is disturbed, well, it's on them to adjust.
There are many things in this game that I do not like, but if most people do, it's on me to adapt, or quit.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Sadly, there was nothing "proper" about the post I replied to. I reiterate that people being "disturbed" by such a thing should take a step back and look things from a perspective, and in an objective manner.

E8S changes literally NOTHING. Being shocked or disturbed by someone typing "xxxxx waifu" means being out of touch with reality. Truth is, a lot of people are not disturbed by pixels being indicative of flesh or fabric. And most people do not even care in the first place. If the minority is disturbed, well, it's on them to adjust.
There are many things in this game that I do not like, but if most people do, it's on me to adapt, or quit.

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Remilia we don’t know each other, nor do we know the other people in this forum. Maybe people were disturbed because they are a parent, maybe they were disturbed because they experienced past trauma, maybe they are a prude. We don’t know so to blanket people who are disturbed as “not having touch with reality” is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Lolli282

Remilia we don’t know each other, nor do we know the other people in this forum. Maybe people were disturbed because they are a parent, maybe they were disturbed because they experienced past trauma, maybe they are a prude. We don’t know so to blanket people who are disturbed as “not having touch with reality” is ridiculous.

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Maybe. And if that is the case, as callous as it sounds, it is still their problem. This is "mass" entertainment - if the developers had to cater to every single potential trauma in history to avoid disturbing anyone, there would be no game at all.

If I have a past trauma, it's still up to me to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Nero24200

I mean... I ain't defending paedophilia, so I think I've got the morale highground here.

You seem desperate to defend half-naked underage girls and it's scary how close your defences are to actual paedophiles.

"I don't see them as a child."
"It's acceptable in this country so it should be fine even if not acceptable here."
"You are the ones that are close minded and have problems."

It's a child wearing an outfit so low cut I don't think it has a bottom. I have every right to have a problem with it.

You seem to really, really not grasp that it's a child wearing a revealing, sexualised outfit. I fail to see why this is so hard to grasp.

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You have no grounds, because you are equating this to pedophillia when no one else is.

This is a connection you're making, not us.

No one is defending this. We're bewildered at the fact that you're outraged over nothing.

And with this I'm out. It's a bit too trigger happy in here.

I thought I'd seen it all on this forum. You crazy people never cease to amaze me.

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Originally Posted by Lolli282

Savage is the one that is in my mind with these discussions. I think that’s a bit ridiculous to have on a child. “Yeah Yeah but she’s fictional” but it’s a bit much to me. How can you not see that as sexualized when the one covering her is her lover???? There’s no other way to see that savage transition imo.

Clinging to the whole “13 is the age of consent” in Japan is gross imo. That may be the case in some instances but I’m pretty sure that would be WITH ANOTHER 13ish year old. Not with adults. Seeing ‘Ryne waifu’ comments in chat is highly disturbing and we have scenes like that to thank for it.

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I actually saw it as poetic, not sexualised. We have to remember that this is an embodyment of shiva, this isn't Ryne. Nudity doesn't always have sexual meaning, it can also mean purity, and loss, and honestly, it is a huge theme with Ysales character, its literally a line from Oblivion "Lying naked while the snow falls all around me". We see a character stripped of everything, with nothing to lose.

As for being wrapped in her lover, thats not sexual, its supposed to be identifying them as a union, another huge theme for Shiva. Remember the Hraesvelr literally ate Shiva. They became one.

You guys should start complaining about anime then if this bothers you.
People really need to stop trying to have some moral high ground.

Its a game and nothing was even sexual about it. Get over yourself and stop trying to be some SJW.

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Even if we discount the time that's passed since being on the first, does anyone think that not even a year has passed since the start of ARR. That's why I said at least. It's never explicitly stated how long has passed since the start of ARR, but come on, it's been a year or more by this point.

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It gets brought up most every time one of these stupid threads ends up being started, but a significant amount of time actually passed on Eorzea from the start of ARR.

Yes, someone will say "Magical time bubble where time never moves at all" and thats fine and dandy and a nonsensical way to say "We dont want to say exactly how long its been" when we know that certain events take different amounts of time and are expressed as taking that amount of time in game. 2.3-2.4 takes place over "months" (and possibly into 'years') going by Ilberd and Alphinaud's words. Boat trips from or to the far east take ~6 months, we've spent "3 days" in a coma on a number of occasions.

So we are simultaneously still in the same year as ARR (because the're scared to actually give us timelines for anything on purpose) as well as up to ~3 years in the future just from events they game timelines to in game (which isnt everything, by any stretch) and the only real answer is "sort of".

That doesnt even count the nonsense with the first, which has aged thancred 5 years and the twins at least a full year, based on multiple different sources flat-out telling us this, while simultaneously not aging them a second, while also saying that any time we leave the source and come back, everything there may be significantly older than it was the last time we were there because time doesnt work in a constant when shard hopping, so theres a chance we leave the first with our friends and come back to the source, it will be several years into the future which will also be the exact same year we left, because time bubbles are stupid WHEN YOU SPECIFICALLY SAY HOW LONG THINGS TAKE.

Couple of points here.

A. The scions on the first don't have their bodies. They're basically physical ghosts in a sense, so that explains why they don't age. Their real bodies are back on the First. Only the WOL is traveling body and soul, even Emet-Selch had to nab and re-purpose a body when he went back to the First.

B. It was explained early in the SHB msq that the first and the source had entered a period of relative equilibrium with their relative time passing, which is why we're able to move back and forth without missing large swaths of time on either end. A plot convenience? Sure, but one that's explained at least.

This drama for some skin... seriously... everything is in the way you consider skin and body, it is not a "truth" it is not "universal" (if it be, how would you consider amazionian tribes who live mostly naked?).

Characters as Ryne, Shiva or wathever are not some kind of model or truth to be followed, it is something to be considered as a myth, some kind of metaphor.

All kind of nymphs are always as fascinating they have to be feared. And if they are naked, it is as a metaphor of the bare Nature, not as some kind of toy.

(And talking about pedophilia when Ryne is 16-17 y.o. Seriously?)

So, I just searched the web for "swimsuits for teen girls."

Here is one result:

https://assets.teenvogue.com/photos/...-swimsuits.jpg

I don't see much difference between that and Shiva in Savage:

https://i.redd.it/3lxrzy5h3sh41.jpg

To be fair on Ryne's age has there been ANY confirmation of what her age is? Because people are throwing out a whole decades worth of variation in terms of numbers and it all seems to be down to personal interpretation. (Though to the people saying she's over 16 I'm kinda flabbergasted at because she definitely acts younger than that.) About the only concrete indication of her age we have is the twitter punishment of the people who posted modded nudes of her (twitter is 18+ friendly, so it's not because of the nudity itself being an issue) and SE following that up by banning those people in game as well - which indicates some taboo was broken. Though whether or not it was over bad publicity or not is anyone's guess.

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Originally Posted by Enla

To be fair on Ryne's age has there been ANY confirmation of what her age is? Because people are throwing out a whole decades worth of variation in terms of numbers and it all seems to be down to personal interpretation. (Though to the people saying she's over 16 I'm kinda flabbergasted at because she definitely acts younger than that.) About the only concrete indication of her age we have is the twitter punishment of the people who posted modded nudes of her (twitter is 18+ friendly, so it's not because of the nudity itself being an issue) and SE following that up by banning those people in game as well - which indicates some taboo was broken. Though whether or not it was over bad publicity or not is anyone's guess.

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She states during the Eden's Verse quests that the only other people she knows around her age are Alphinaud and Alisaie so she, and by extension Gaia, should be around 16-ish. However, that is an inference based off of the available evidence. In so far as I know, there is no hard number given in regards to her age in the game. Perhaps when the next lorebook is released.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

You guys should start complaining about anime then if this bothers you.
People really need to stop trying to have some moral high ground.

Its a game and nothing was even sexual about it. Get over yourself and stop trying to be some SJW.

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This.

Also, if anybody urgently wants to complain about artistic nudity, don't forget to rant about the old masters of European Art. Or do you not care for something like Botticelli's The Birth of Venus ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_Venus ) because "who cares for artistic nudity from an age without Internet and mobilephones"?

Nude mods: "It's just art". I can see people using that.

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Originally Posted by Lumina

Lalafell children are approximately the size of mammets, player Lalafell are full grown adults
-Ryne is at least 17 years old, just like Alphinaud and Alisaie who have been on the first for a year but started ARR at 16. Her age was never explicitly stated outright until now, and only eluded to what age she looked like.

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Its not BS..people can feel a bit bad about having a character that is not adult being shown that way. Heck I would even find it bad to have a character that is really modest and suddenly turns up half naked after such a transformation. Its just imo not necessary. A nice little dress would not have destroyed anything in this fight.

About the age: First she would still be underage and second we live in a time bubble. Seemingly barely any time as gone on according to some writers so Alphinaud and Alisaie might still be 16.

In the end its the devs that go out of their way to say that its bad to lewd Lalas (because people outside of FF14 could see these pictures as children) and to do that to underage characters...and then turn around and create a look for a underage girl that rivals even some of the old primals..

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

Even barring the magical girl tropes, which im still not convinced of, if you can look at that and say it isn't sexualised then you must have some fudamentally different values. Note as well, I'm not saying sexualised designs are bad, its a pretty nice outfit, but not on 15/16 year old.

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And this form is even tame compared to the one she has in savage. I just dont understand why it would be bad to have her simply be covered. Her attacks and everything would still be the same and this would also fit a bit more with the "saint" part of Shiva.

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I cant speak for everyone but I believe that alot of the problem a few of us have with this, is that it was only recently that Yoshida went on a rant about using certain mods on characters like Ryne or Lalas. Which shows that they dont want them to be seen in that way. Yet they do it with her. Why not have Shiva without her? Why not give her a bit more of a outfit? Of course it could be purity (but then her dragon lover is tangled with her body..) but why do that when you went out of your way to talk that long about people doing such stuff?

I mean if that is fine now then why are simple pictures of her naked not fine? It could be a sign of purity right? ;) If they had not ranted like that then this thread would probably not exit like that or at least less. But they needed to tell us how its bad (and I do agree with them because Ryne is still not an adult and looks quite young too) and yet turn around and create that..

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I cant speak for everyone but I believe that alot of the problem a few of us have with this, is that it was only recently that Yoshida went on a rant about using certain mods on characters like Ryne or Lalas. Which shows that they dont want them to be seen in that way. Yet they do it with her. Why not have Shiva without her? Why not give her a bit more of a outfit? Of course it could be purity (but then her dragon lover is tangled with her body..) but why do that when you went out of your way to talk that long about people doing such stuff?

I mean if that is fine now then why are simple pictures of her naked not fine? It could be a sign of purity right? ;) If they had not ranted like that then this thread would probably not exit like that or at least less. But they needed to tell us how its bad (and I do agree with them because Ryne is still not an adult and looks quite young too) and yet turn around and create that..

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From what I can see, they don't want a completely naked depiction (or perhaps even worse kinds via mods). There is no completely naked depiction in the game as far as I can tell, not even in Savage of E8. There is always some kind of covering somewhere.

So what's Japans age of consent again?

The legal age where I am from is 16, but the outfit in savage (or rather the lack of one) is still a bit much imo.

Although this isn’t the first time squeenix has had something questionable. Past-Alma in the ivalice raids looks even younger and she’s pregnant, the father looking like he’s in his mid 20s to 30s >.<