I think Bards are awesome...not just a FF mainstay but also a common fantasy element back to D&D. BRD is actually my 2nd favorite job... PLD > BRD > SMN > ..don't really know after that, probably BLU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
Okay everyone, focus.
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03-31-2012, 12:17 AMWincy
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03-31-2012, 12:21 AMSigny
I'll quote myself:
So now we have job stones this is easy like add more stones per class and have more equipment that is job unique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Signy
:) Is not exactly like i said it but we are getting there. -
03-31-2012, 12:40 AMRydinThe other lancer spear class is Uhlan...Quote:
Originally Posted by Signy
More physical attacks... no dragon moves or magic or jumping... just straight assault with a spear. Very physical and athletic... very "Warrior-like" minus the high HP and tankability
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03-31-2012, 12:53 AMSignyI keep postponing FFXII IZJS. I have it all ready patch and running on 1080p with pcsx2 but i keep not making the time to play it...Quote:
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03-31-2012, 01:20 AMRydinThats actually how me and most of my friends are hoping it works....Quote:
Originally Posted by Signy
And they just added the first jobs for us to enjoy and kind of test.. and the second job for each is coming -
03-31-2012, 02:30 AMExniWhoa Whoa Whoa!..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
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03-31-2012, 02:46 AMRiaayo
Wouldn't mind seeing any job people want, but I think this game needs some other jobs added to fill in key gaps before dancer is added since it's XI equivalent is pretty similar to our Bard at the moment (IE it's a support DD). Of course who's to say they wouldn't alter how it worked.
But I think the jobs that would stand out the most at the moment would be Summoner, Thief, Blue Mage, Samurai, Dark Knight. I can't say they're all my personal pick for next class either, though, aside from maybe Thief/Assassin which I would really like to see. Mages feel rather under-represented at the moment, too, but I don't think a Red Mage is far enough its "own thing" from Whm and Blm for it to be next. -
03-31-2012, 06:43 AMVadavimAnd what's so wrong with dancer? I mean... really... this is Final Fantasy we're talking about. It's not meant to always be taken seriously, and I find that to be part of FF's charm. Why would anyone care if dancer isn't "manly" enough for some people? The concept of dancer is fairly solid, and I applaud SE for implementing it in an MMO. It was really fun to play, and I don't see the problem with implementing it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
Would it be the first job I'd ask for? No, probably not, since I'd prefer more iconic jobs like SMN and THF to make their return first, but I would very much welcome the opportunity to play Dancer again in the future.
I'm hoping they give SMN and BST a good treatment when/if they are implemented. I tend to like pet classes the most, so that'd me wonderful to have again. I also secretly hope for PUP, which is (surprise!) not a very manly job either. Oh, but how I loved their AF... ~_^ -
03-31-2012, 06:58 AMRydinOK... all the people that say "It's not that bad" or "It's useful"Quote:
Originally Posted by Vadavim
If they added Dancer... and also added any other class that did the exact same thing (Had abilities that buffed or healed the party using TP).... then people would opt for the alternative class in a heartbeat
If it was a geomancer or atherist or something like that, and it used the energy of the planet to cast haste or heal the party... people would choose that over Dancer almost every time... -
03-31-2012, 07:50 AMThePatriarchThis is a good post ^^bQuote:
Originally Posted by Vadavim
I too hope the implement BST! I want to walk around in my full sheepskin AF and feel like a badass when I can use a pet to solo an NM that most parties can't kill :) -
03-31-2012, 08:44 AMWelsper59Honestly, if FFXI didn't already introduce the DNC to a FF MMO, I'd probably go with DNC over Geomancer (though a GEO would be awesome to have regardless). The concept of dances doing what they do is far more intriguing and unique compared to the concept of some mage utilizing the elements to do their bidding (almost like a BLM/WHM would to do their roles, or that every magic-based fantasy book/movie already has). That having been said, I'd probably now go with a Geomancer more than Dancer primarily because it hasn't been done yet in an FF MMO. No other significant reason, assuming they were to fulfill the EXACT duties and spells, just different animation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
The idea of a Bard, referring to your earlier comments, is actually enlightening. Believe it or not, as obvious as it may be, there are people out there who play instruments. The idea of something found in the real world, especially if you yourself can play or appreciate music/instruments, having magical powers in the game, can be attractive. This pertains not just to Bards playing music, but even to Dancers dancing... and anything else found in a fictional game.
Plus there's the comedic value to consider. Have FUN with a game, don't take it seriously. Think about the first time you saw the dance steps (especially from a lumbering tower of manmeat like a galka), you most likely got a chuckle out of it if you aren't one of those "serious business" type of people. Even NPCs in FFXI made fun of the Galka dancing in Jeuno. It's a concept that shouldn't be taken seriously... I mean it is a video game, despite what some may think. This just brings up the whole argument aesthetic items being introduced (like the Goobbue mount) ruining the game, claiming it breaks immersion or destroys value of the strength monsters have. Like they have to make it their lifes mission to make sure a video games fictional universe is as close to "real" as possible.
Games don't have to be serious. Games don't only have to be about "cool" sword-wielding, heavy armor wearing, muscular, sweaty men... nor does it have to only be about flashy magic spells that make things go boom. Games have to be about "Fun". An online game, specifically MMOs, have to cater to the extremely diverse definition of "fun". People need to understand that what you want, may not be what others want... and even moreso, it may not be what the developers have in mind of what's "fun". We're human beings in the real world, we have the capability to adapt our minds... hence an imagination. Learn to utilize the skill to adapt, and you might find what you enjoy can be even more enjoyable than you thought.
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03-31-2012, 08:56 AMAlerithThe is the worst idea in the entire history of bad ideas.Quote:
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03-31-2012, 08:58 AMRydinYes... I agree.. the game doesn't have to be only what an individual wants... but that shouldn't stop us from voicing what we want... Just with the understanding that we wont always get our way....Quote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
In fact... I think it is paramount that a forum be full of opposing ideas for it to really be effective
If it is implemented... I'm not going to start 10 threads talking about how SE is stupid... or rage quit...
Adding dancer wouldn't absolutely break the game or destroy my experience... I'd just prefer not to see it
And for the record... I am a professional musician (Its the only thing paying my bills) and Bard does absolutely nothing for me... It doesn't piss me off that it's in game... but it also doesn't get me moist
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03-31-2012, 09:31 AMWelsper59I totally agree that forums should have opposing arguments. These days, people need to have a place to share ideas and voice opinions. The only thing about it, is a grand number of people seem to not grasp the idea that their feedback isn't constructive enough to be taken as more than a statistical number (for developers). Constructive arguments against something should be weighed in on with timing and insight whenever possible or applicable. Simply saying something isn't "cool looking" is at best, a statistic tally for potential visual change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
I think I understand what you mean with you having experience as a musician, and am glad you do, but not caring for Bard. I took Iaido for a number of years in the past, yet Samurai (or classes/jobs like it) is always on the lower end of the list of attractive playstyles. I just don't care for the SAM gameplay. However, I did used to be in band for 6yrs of my K-12 schooling, and found the bard class attractive. Different form of nostalgia maybe? Or maybe we just don't care too much for things we have experience with IRL? But it obviously doesn't change the fact that despite RL experiences, we may still enjoy it in the fictional world. I just enjoyed the playstyle and arguable skill necessary to play the job well. Character positioning, different instrument types to produce different results (string having wider range), and so on. -
03-31-2012, 09:35 AMRydinI appreciate thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
And Like I said... i wont rage over Dancer... It seems like a lot of people like it... I guess I just don't get it...
But I do want to make sure people aren't confusing the usefulness of the job with the job itself...
Like if they added a job called "Douchebag" but it was the biggest and best DD of all time.. people would be on the forum defending how awesome bags of douche really are
OK... maybe I have a penchant for exaggeration... but who doesn't like a little flare here and there -
03-31-2012, 09:55 AMWelsper59Okay, I gotta give it to yah, this post made me LOL. I can see people indeed cheering for Douchebags, and I'd probably be one of them... if anything, just for the hilarity of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
Most people are always going to be on the lookout for something fun to do. Often, this fun includes a unique aspect of it compared to what else is out there. DNC is definitely one of those things that the FF series has that others usually don't. If something like that attracts attention, if anything positive attention, in that the game has unique things to offer, then all the better. It doesn't mean that it's necessary to play the job that you find questionable, but as long as it's not gamebreaking (mechanics wise), it's something that should just be accepted. Others probably disagree with your displeasure, but the bottomline is, if someone enjoys it, and it doesn't hurt you (or others), don't hurt them.
That's not to say to just rollover and take whatever happens, by all means voice your opinion of dislike. It may end up being something the devs of this game (and others) keep in the back of their minds for the future. But again, if you want to be taken seriously, it has to be constructive. If anyone negative can't be constructive, the post is likely trolling / poorly thought out / joking. It helps when trying to remain sane online LOL. -
03-31-2012, 10:04 AMRydinok... can I at least petition for some more badass gear for DNC in this one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
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03-31-2012, 10:18 AMWelsper59Yes, and I'd like to join in on that petition. Or at least for additional options that relate to DNC-like gear... kinda like how there's all sorts of heavy armor gear designs for physical classes, and robe type gear for casters, yet they aren't exclusively designed for just that one class/job. Just so that DNC doesn't have to be limited to frilly gear as being the only symbol of DNC gear, or I guess for some, so the others don't have to be excluded from wearing frilly gear lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
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03-31-2012, 10:51 AMMisteI'm curious why you are so against seeing Dancers in a game. Are you that insecure in your sexuality? Does the male dancers in frills bother you so much? lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
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03-31-2012, 10:57 AMRydinIn a word.... yesQuote:
Originally Posted by Miste
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03-31-2012, 11:26 AMMisteWell, you have really sexy dressed females in the game, gear that leaves nothing to the imagination. Its only fair to give the girls something to look at too. Not only men play this game. I'm a girl and I want to play Dancer. Other female players have nothing against seeing male dancers I'm sure. Guys get to see the female dancers, girls get to see the male dancers. Yay equal fanservice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
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03-31-2012, 11:58 AMRydinHonestly... i can't stand any of the slutty miqo'te gear either... I know its probably a fan favorite but MiQo'te bards look horribleQuote:
Originally Posted by Miste
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03-31-2012, 12:42 PMJericho
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03-31-2012, 01:24 PMGeesusQuote:
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03-31-2012, 01:25 PMGeesusApparently you have not Reinheart yet and his Subligar! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Miste
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03-31-2012, 01:43 PMAlexis_ArtemeYou know, now that I think about it, men like Reinheart belly dancing wouldn't be so bad. Very well then I'll allow it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Geesus
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03-31-2012, 01:46 PMGeesusThanks for the LULz b4 bed Alexis xD!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexis_Arteme
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03-31-2012, 02:02 PMPofo
I think Dancer would make a fantastic addition to this game, but only after some of the more, for lack of a better word, "Important" jobs are implemented, like Rogue/Thief. We really need a job with Treasure Hunter and Gil Finder, and maybe the ability to increase chest drop rates in Dungeons.
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04-03-2012, 05:24 AMReinhearthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu9chHQUdKwQuote:
Originally Posted by Geesus
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04-03-2012, 05:27 AMnibelunc
FOCUS... dual-wield, two-handed SWORDS! ;D
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04-03-2012, 05:32 AMRydinno...Quote:
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04-03-2012, 05:55 AMlord_Niax
Im waiting on Blue Mage, theres nothing better then running around with a AF turban on your head. If we do get DNC will our AF look like something Kefka would wear? If so then Im all down but c'mon ppl Blue Mage or SMN first.