No one should be allowed to queue without a soul stone if applicable.

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Originally Posted by tdb

Lore reasons. Soul crystals are somewhat rare and precious, so they're not handed out to just any rookie who comes waltzing in. In some class storylines like scholar's they're all but lost and you need to go to a great deal of trouble to obtain them.

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Couldn't the fix be to use lore excuses, then? Like, the class guild or whatever gives you a useless, non-magical trinket as a sign of membership and the item changes its name and icon once you reach level 30 in order to become a soul crystal.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Oh, they could most certainly remove them. It's just a matter of time and money, which they want to spend on other things.

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Considering how many of the Jobs are obtained, i don't think it would work. We can't just start with a Soul Crystal if we've just arrived to Eorzea. We obtain them following the corresponding story of the Job, and continue from then. How exactly can we be a Paladin if it's our first time in Ul'dah? Now, it could make sense for some other Jobs, but not all of them

I remember joining an EX party back in 2.0 as a thaumaturge as a joke. My damage was so busted with raging strikes, blood for blood, internal release, and any other dps move. It was crazy stupid and fun haha

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Originally Posted by Darty123

I used to troll with friends in heavenward and early stormblood in alliance roulette on pugilist, gladiator counjeror ect. Did just fine in clearing the content and did better than most people WITH their job stone's. Its level 60 content why are you tripping about a jobless guy lol.

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You kinda point out the problem for yourself there.

Trolling always fun for the trolls, not for the people being trolled.

Wait. This is a thing? I didn't even know you could queue for DF without a job stone equipped. I feel like the whole point of the game is to level up a base class to level 30 so you can unlock a job, (i.e. the "real" class) and then progress that job to max level. Why on earth would you want to be running around as a thaumaturge and not a black mage? Especially considering BLM is the top DPS in the game? Not to mention the gear you get for completing an expansion's job questline. Doesn't make sense.

Once again, a company has to step in to take action because people are lazy and/or trolls which impacts everyone else. If you want to queue as a base class in a premade with your friends and guildies that's fine. But not in DF content.

They did recently add ilvl requirements to a lot of the dungeons so it indicates they are cognizant of the issue of people being disrespectful to the detriment of other players. I am sure they will address it eventually.

SE should make it so that base classes can queue but will only be matched with other base classes if above Lv35.

Soulstones need to be removed as equipable inventory items, its redundant. The MSQ should then be tied into the first job quest to make sure you unlock your job, similar to how completing the MSQ in Shadowbringers requires the role quest to be completed.

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Originally Posted by DarkMasamune

Should you be doing your classes quests every 5 levels, you'll get the stone. It's not a matter of a privilege of whatnot.

Also, there's a difference between not having your stone in Brayflox's Longstop and not having your stone in Dun Scaith. I'll accept someone being lost and not knowing you need a soul stone around Brayflox, I mean, sure, it happens, whatever. But if somebody is still a Marauder in a raid like Dun Scaith, I'll consider it as trolling.

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Originally Posted by Sheli54

In HW, you have to do your job quests to unlock your skills (I dunno if SE changed something about that since ShB tbh). Which means, get your soul stone to learn them. If you are lvl 60+ without soul stone and don't know what it is, yes, it's a problem. I don't get why talking about compassion. Like others said, there is a difference between a player lvl 30 who starts the game and don't know what it is, and one lvl60+.

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Maybe it would be more productive if instead of shaming those who don't have soul stones equipped that we start from a place of empathy and understanding? Can we all not jump to conclusions and try to understand their perspectives first. There are so many valid reasons that someone does not have a soul stone - for example they forgot to equip it. Maybe they accidentally discarded it because of poor eyesight. Or maybe the game is too overwhelming that they don't know that you should get a soul stone. A gentle reminder is more than sufficient, and shaming/questioning/attacking/bullying people with no soul stones is so unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Wait. This is a thing? I didn't even know you could queue for DF without a job stone equipped. I feel like the whole point of the game is to level up a base class to level 30 so you can unlock a job, (i.e. the "real" class) and then progress that job to max level. Why on earth would you want to be running around as a thaumaturge and not a black mage? Especially considering BLM is the top DPS in the game? Not to mention the gear you get for completing an expansion's job questline. Doesn't make sense.

Once again, a company has to step in to take action because people are lazy and/or trolls which impacts everyone else. If you want to queue as a base class in a premade with your friends and guildies that's fine. But not in DF content.

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Trust me they did, it used to be a lot worse. Back in 2.0 and 3.0 the game had a different cross class skill system. Basically you can cross any skill as long as you don't have a job stone. So people do things like cross skill 'taunt' on archers, queue into 24 men and circle aggro from the tank to cleave the party. It wasn't just about performance.

I think they should add the following rules:
- Doing any queued duty level 34 and up (I.e. starting with Titan) requires a job stone unlocked and equipped.
- Joining any level 50/60/70/80 duty requires you to be fully caught up on your job quests for the expansion. For example, running any Crystal Tower alliance raid requires you to have fully completed your job's ARR quest line up through level 50.
- Joining any leveling dungeon or trial requires you to be caught up on your job quests for the previous expansion. For example, to run any Stormblood leveling dungeon, you must have fully completed your job's Heavensward quest line up through level 60.
- None of the above rules will apply if you are running any duty with an undersized party or a full premade party.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Trust me they did, it used to be a lot worse. Back in 2.0 and 3.0 the game had a different cross class skill system. Basically you can cross any skill as long as you don't have a job stone. So people do things like cross skill 'taunt' on archers, queue into 24 men and circle aggro from the tank to cleave the party. It wasn't just about performance.

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Yeah, I was here for the cross-class stuff. In fact, this toon started off as an archer because I wanted to be a black mage. And back then, you had to get archer to level 15, and thaumaturge to 30 to unlock BLM.

I just wasn't playing regularly in the early days of ARR so I don't recall people queuing past level 30 as a base class.

I like gimmick runs where everyone has no soul stone, or all healers, etc
Let’s not enforce things that ruin a bit of fun. Telling a player “hey go get your job stone” isn’t the end of the world on the rare chance youvv NBC encounter this.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I like gimmick runs where everyone has no soul stone, or all healers, etc
Let’s not enforce things that ruin a bit of fun. Telling a player “hey go get your job stone” isn’t the end of the world on the rare chance youvv NBC encounter this.

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then unsync queue or something or premake... NOT QUEUE AS A CLASS FOR LEVEL 60+ CONTENT.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

If your intentions are to be funny I am sorry you have not succeeded, though if you just want attention I guess general discussion has been quite the impressive haul for you.

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The ignore button is a marvellous and wonderful thing

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Oh, they could most certainly remove them. It's just a matter of time and money, which they want to spend on other things.

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That's why I said both the coding and lore. They most certainly could remove them, but at this point, the time and effort is better spent on newer things.

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Originally Posted by Mansion

For SMN/SCH I was thinking of broader concepts. ShB did separate these jobs a bit further but there are still Aetherflow mechanics in SMN for instance, although they are not tied to anything anymore. We could just have Fester / Painflare on the same CD and work just fine. They still share the same EXP bar too. SCH's Ruin II feels odd to me when you don't have other Ruin spells.
While they could make one job the continuation of ACN, and the other one a stand alone job...
Anyway, that's not a priority we can agree on that :)

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You aren't wrong in that regard, but at that point it's about altering how each job functions, not separating them. But, they can't fully change certain aspects, since SMN and SCH are meant to act as parallels to one another. So Summon, Artherflow, Aetherpact, certain elements need to appear similar to maintain that connection. That being said there are some things that don't make sense that I hope do get rectified come 6.0.

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Originally Posted by Valic

then unsync queue or something or premake... NOT QUEUE AS A CLASS FOR LEVEL 60+ CONTENT.

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Yes premades is obviously how it is going to work.

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Originally Posted by Valic

There needs to be some form of soft lock on your duty finder with the class you're on if you're level 30 and don't have your job stone equipped. I had a case today where we had a thaumaturge in Alexander 8, Burdan of the Son..... Their reply was "too lazy to get the BLM stone" when asked why they're a thaumaturge. I'm sorry but this should not be a thing... If this was anywhere from 30-50 I can see why they might not have known about it or maybe they forgot or they're new to understanding to set their stone with their class change..... But level 60 content and you're joining people's parties with this?....

Can we get a lock on roulettes if you're applying as a class that is well beyond level 30 and makes you unable to queue until it is completed and you have one equipped or something? For example, I can queue as a paladin.... but if I swap to my level 40 archer, it won't let me queue as it? This is just silly and we cant just kick them because there's a 5 minute wait and it doesn't classify as "harassment/afk/offline/etc".

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Maybe there's an isseu with this for lvl 15-30 new players so that's why it isn't implemented

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Yes premades is obviously how it is going to work.

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That's the point of this whole thread... People queue'ing into dungeon without their job stone. Not premaking party finders and junk.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Maybe there's an isseu with this for lvl 15-30 new players so that's why it isn't implemented

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I mean they could just do away with you being a "class" once you hit 30 and just auto give you your job or something.... Idk, just, SOMETHING could be done.

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Originally Posted by Darty123

I used to troll with friends in heavenward and early stormblood in alliance roulette on pugilist, gladiator counjeror ect. Did just fine in clearing the content and did better than most people WITH their job stone's. Its level 60 content why are you tripping about a jobless guy lol.

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heavensward had cross class which let you do meme 'builds' by stacking all the dps increasing ogcds, you can't do this anymore, just because you were able to do it literally 4 years ago doesn't mean the game hasn't evolved to a point where this stuff is still possible.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

The PvP category of DF would like to have a word with you.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

Nah. PvP already has this limitation. You need to be a non-BLU job to queue. As full jobs by definition start at level 30 at the earliest, that means PvP is essentially asking you to be at least level 30 with a job stone equipped. On a technical level job stones are considered equipment, and equipment is validated before you queue. That's why you can't queue for something where your ilevel is too low.

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classes also simply don't have access to PvP actions

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I like gimmick runs where everyone has no soul stone, or all healers, etc
Let’s not enforce things that ruin a bit of fun. Telling a player “hey go get your job stone” isn’t the end of the world on the rare chance youvv NBC encounter this.

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That line reminds me of all those times I queue as healer and a small part of me hopes one of 3/7 other party members is going to be so bad, it might get me to wake up from cryogenic sleep.

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Originally Posted by Valic

That's the point of this whole thread... People queue'ing into dungeon without their job stone. Not premaking party finders and junk.




I mean they could just do away with you being a "class" once you hit 30 and just auto give you your job or something.... Idk, just, SOMETHING could be done.

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imo they should remove classes altogether