Disgusted with Ishgardian Restoration

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Originally Posted by Barraind

Unfortunately, it's currently the most gil efficient way to get materia (it's more turnins than white scrips, but uses fewer mats useful elsewhere), so until the price for those craters, crafting the top level turnins is going to remain viable, which will include the duration of the currently implemented restoration steps.

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True, but do you think enough people are going to farm it for materia to make a significant difference? Right now there is a large participation rate because of the novelty of new content and the new exclusive rewards, once both those wear off it'll be three groups I imagine; People who want to see it finished, people who are leveling crafters, and people farming materia/skybuild materials, and I don't think that's going to be a large enough group to cause the issues we currently see. At the very least participation will become a lot more sporadic compared to now, unless the FATEs significantly step up in terms of engagement and rewards. As it currently looks, they're not worth the rabid hype people seem to be putting on them, people are going to sit on their own server crafting for Skybuilder Scrips at potentially a faster rate than server hopping to take part in a very lackluster FATE process.

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Originally Posted by Anselmet

While I agree with op something needs to happen such as adding instances, please all of you, just join the Ishgardian Restoration discord. It has timers for all servers listed that way if you miss out on your own server you can then feasibly go to another world 30mins to an hour ahead of time and wait. While having to plan and waste time waiting sucks, it at least will allow you the opportunity to at least participate in fates and gather the scrips and exp.

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No. This is not helping anyone. It's making it worse.

There really should have been multiple instances for this. Hopefully they're working on that atm. World Transfer has only made it worse.

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Originally Posted by Aramyth

No. This is not helping anyone. It's making it worse.

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Yeah Yoshi P just said in another thread that they left it enabled so larger servers can help smaller servers, if people keep abusing it like that Discord is doing he said there are emergency features in place to block players from other worlds from entering.

TLDR: stop playing the system or Yoshi P is going to stop you.

yeah it was so disapointing im gonna have to unsub be back next main story patch.

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Originally Posted by Anselmet

While I agree with op something needs to happen such as adding instances, please all of you, just join the Ishgardian Restoration discord. It has timers for all servers listed that way if you miss out on your own server you can then feasibly go to another world 30mins to an hour ahead of time and wait. While having to plan and waste time waiting sucks, it at least will allow you the opportunity to at least participate in fates and gather the scrips and exp.

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A third party program shouldn't be required to play the damn game in a decent way.

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Originally Posted by Anselmet

While I agree with op something needs to happen such as adding instances, please all of you, just join the Ishgardian Restoration discord. It has timers for all servers listed that way if you miss out on your own server you can then feasibly go to another world 30mins to an hour ahead of time and wait. While having to plan and waste time waiting sucks, it at least will allow you the opportunity to at least participate in fates and gather the scrips and exp.

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This is part of the problem though, along with CWLS doing similar things. You're taking the spot away from someone else, repeating the cycle.

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Originally Posted by UnstablePersonality

Siren's was locked down as well, filled with people saying we shouldn't be entitled to the event on OUR server and gloating about locking people out of their own server's area...this has brought out the worst in some people and I hope SE does something to prevent this from happening like they should have in the first place.

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Oh I know, I was in the firmamaent when they came over, and it was bad.

There should be multiple instances that's really what the problem is. Hopefully they'll address that issue quickly.

I don't like the solution to use discord and cwls, but one of those systems are literally built into the game. I doubt square is going to be fast at fixing the issue if they will at all. They often take a week to respond and seeing how helping Ishgard grow is a server wide, one time thing, it's better to look for a solution to participate if locked out of own server. Unless you all just wanna complain. Then go ahead. I'm not exactly happy I have to be an hour ahead of time to participate.

Not sure why you guys sneer at this. Are you this passionate about hunts?

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

Yeah Yoshi P just said in another thread that they left it enabled so larger servers can help smaller servers, if people keep abusing it like that Discord is doing he said there are emergency features in place to block players from other worlds from entering.

TLDR: stop playing the system or Yoshi P is going to stop you.

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Ya I want actual proof that he actually said this bc there is no way he can track any of use using discord. In fact, all it takes is for me to go from Ishgard to Ishgard and write down the times until each fate and map it out. Do that once or twice a day and I can feesibly have a good Ishgard fate train for myself. And on the other hand, if he did this to help a small server like mine, I doubly mad bc I do not and did not want a hundred people from Balmung blocking me out of my own server event.

Response from Yoshi-P

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post5232513

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

Response from Yoshi-P

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post5232513

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Thanks for the post. It is nice to know that they are at least looking at what is happening. I just don't want them to sit on it for a week. I'd like to see action now.

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Originally Posted by Anselmet

Thanks for the post. It is nice to know that they are at least looking at what is happening. I just don't want them to sit on it for a week. I'd like to see action now.

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He clearly states it is a wait and see situation.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

He clearly states it is a wait and see situation.

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I know that? I just didn't know that they replied to this quickly which was nice to know they had seeing often they take their sweet time?

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

Response from Yoshi-P

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post5232513

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Thank you for adding this. =D I was about to ask if someone had the link. I will edit my original post to add this link.

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True, but do you think enough people are going to farm it for materia to make a significant difference?

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Between materia and the replica materials? Yes. for long enough to matter. Restoration crafting is significantly easier and less cordial intensive than white and yellow scrip gathering, and is less rng reliant until the last set of gatherer gear comes out in 5.3. Plus, at this rate, itll be a week or week and a half and we'll be waiting on the 5.2 content to land (at which time I can only assume people will be racing to not be locked out of diadem).

yep with this and blue mage already being disapointing see you all in 5.2!

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Originally Posted by Alestorm

I'm just bummed out it's DoH only, they said gatherers would also be able to help.

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You can do the fate as gatherer. You obtain all materials as gatherer. You can purchase gatherer specific materia with the scrips. The only thing held out is actual gatherer turn ins which they said at least 3 times would be coming in 5.2.

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Originally Posted by Mhiro

You can do the fate as gatherer. You obtain all materials as gatherer. You can purchase gatherer specific materia with the scrips. The only thing held out is actual gatherer turn ins which they said at least 3 times would be coming in 5.2.

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Crafters can do all that AND have turn-ins save for gathering materials themselves. Thanks to undercutting that's a matter of pennies for them now.

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Originally Posted by Anselmet

I don't like the solution to use discord and cwls, but one of those systems are literally built into the game. I doubt square is going to be fast at fixing the issue if they will at all. They often take a week to respond and seeing how helping Ishgard grow is a server wide, one time thing, it's better to look for a solution to participate if locked out of own server. Unless you all just wanna complain. Then go ahead. I'm not exactly happy I have to be an hour ahead of time to participate.

Not sure why you guys sneer at this. Are you this passionate about hunts?



Ya I want actual proof that he actually said this bc there is no way he can track any of use using discord. In fact, all it takes is for me to go from Ishgard to Ishgard and write down the times until each fate and map it out. Do that once or twice a day and I can feesibly have a good Ishgard fate train for myself. And on the other hand, if he did this to help a small server like mine, I doubly mad bc I do not and did not want a hundred people from Balmung blocking me out of my own server event.

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You don’t need to see anything from Discord, they can see people from other servers crowding the Firmament in their server logs

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Originally Posted by Musai

I'm happy to see the issue being addressed. I think Yoshi P is amazing and FFXIV is a wonderful game that I've loved since it's 2.0 launch.

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Really? First you need to "rant" (as you say yourself) because of his wrong decisions that cost thousands of players their fun and enjoyment - especially since they were well-aware of it - and suddenly you think he is amazing him despite the fixes won't even be practical or not even sure what those "emergency measures" would be?

I am sure it's one of his famous wrong decisions (TM) that could've prevented with a more talented designer.

Come on..

I’m not even that impressed with Yoshi’s response honestly. He’s still assuming people are going to be benevolent and stop doing it, when in fact it will be the opposite. Since announcing a potential hotfix down the road the instances have gotten MORE congested as opportunists are now looking to maximise exploiting the world visit system before it’s gone.

Just change it now.

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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

Really? First you need to "rant" (as you say yourself) because of his wrong decisions that cost thousands of players their fun and enjoyment - especially since they were well-aware of it - and suddenly you think he is amazing him despite the fixes won't even be practical or not even sure what those "emergency measures" would be?

I am sure it's one of his famous wrong decisions (TM) that could've prevented with a more talented designer.

Come on..

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(1/2) Yes, really. I don't "suddenly" think he is amazing. One can be displeased with the original implementation while also being pleased with the fact that people's issues are addressed. I've played many games over the years. I've seen companies that do not respond to their customer base at all. I will never get everything I want nor in the way I want. I've learned that long ago. But I've also learned that I can voice my displeasure as well. I am not happy with how this implementation launched. I am pleased that it is being recognized and addressed. So, yes. People can have complex emotions and thoughts on a subject. I can appreciate the overall game and those who put it out while also being displeased with some implementations of it.

As examples:

I'm not happy with Conan Exiles changing their thrall/pet (now called followers) to include a cap on how many people can have. I am happy they are adding riding and riding combat to the game. I do like the new thrall leveling system they're adding. The cap will change the fundamental play style for the game and will greatly impact people with multiple bases and who have map rooms set up around the world for everyone's use. Yet many people are thrilled to see the new leveling system. I love their building system. I stopped playing ARK and went to Conan Exiles because their building system was so much better. We'll see if I keep playing.

I'm not happy with Atlas (still in EA) being so unstable that official servers often have players get BattlEye kicked for clients not responding every time they cross a zone. Yet the game is set up to literally move around maps and explore. Nor that there is such finite space available for people to lay land claims. Yet I'm happy with much of the game's play style in general. But the disconnects are a big deal breaker if not addressed. It's too early to tell if I will keep playing.

When BfA was launched in WoW I played and raided a lot but I wasn't happy with much of the implementation systems in the game overall but worse was the lack of response to player dissatisfaction. I stopped playing.

When Civilization 6 changed not only the play style of the game but how they packaged their DLC content, I wasn't happy. I stopped playing the game.

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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

Really? First you need to "rant" (as you say yourself) because of his wrong decisions that cost thousands of players their fun and enjoyment - especially since they were well-aware of it - and suddenly you think he is amazing him despite the fixes won't even be practical or not even sure what those "emergency measures" would be?

I am sure it's one of his famous wrong decisions (TM) that could've prevented with a more talented designer.

Come on..

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(2/2) FFXIV has made many changes to Summoner over the years that I haven't liked. I'm not a fan of the new DoH system because I loved the old one the way it was. But I'm not so selfish that I can't see where it helps the community overall to become more engaged in DoH and DoL content. Only time will tell how these changes work out. Ishgardian Restoration and the World Visit system do not work well on a grand scale. There are too many people trying to do it. And I've never seen so many people get in on anything crafting the way they have with this.

So back to my answer, yes. I can love the game and the people who put it out while also being displeased enough to rant about something that I don't think lives up to other standards of the game. I can also be pleased to see a quick response. How will it work out in the end? Only time will tell. But with my overall experience with the game, it's time I'm willing to give to see how it does. But that's me. You may be different. And if so, that's fine.

LOL LOL

Famous wrong decisions? More talented designer? Do you know nothing of the history of this game and what Yoshi P saved not only it but Square Enix as a whole from? Are you not aware of the critical acclaim this game gets not only for base ARR but for each expansions gets?

Is this game or Yoshi P perfect? By far no, but this game is amazing and Yoshi P is a talented designer, so please quit the childish ranting and show a little more respect as it is well deserved

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

LOL LOL

Famous wrong decisions? More talented designer? Do you know nothing of the history of this game and what Yoshi P saved not only it but Square Enix as a whole from? Are you not aware of the critical acclaim this game gets not only for base ARR but for each expansions gets?

Is this game or Yoshi P perfect? By far no, but this game is amazing and Yoshi P is a talented designer, so please quit the childish ranting and show a little more respect as it is well deserved

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I have no clue why people decide to play games by devs they apparently don't like. This game is great, this mistake is probably honest, and I trust they'll fix it. It's stuff like this that discourages games from trying new things.

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Originally Posted by John_Milter

I have no clue why people decide to play games by devs they apparently don't like. This game is great, this mistake is probably honest, and I trust they'll fix it. It's stuff like this that discourages games from trying new things.

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Dude I don’t either, I read a lot of these posts I see here and I’m like “and you are still playing FF14 why?”

We can and should bring up issues and concerns with the game in a polite and respectful manner, personally insulting Yoshi P and the dev team does nothing but convey the mentality of a child who is not getting their way.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

LOL LOL

Famous wrong decisions? More talented designer? Do you know nothing of the history of this game and what Yoshi P saved not only it but Square Enix as a whole from? Are you not aware of the critical acclaim this game gets not only for base ARR but for each expansions gets?

Is this game or Yoshi P perfect? By far no, but this game is amazing and Yoshi P is a talented designer, so please quit the childish ranting and show a little more respect as it is well deserved

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Well said and a lot shorter than my response. lol

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Originally Posted by Musai

Well said and a lot shorter than my response. lol

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Ah I always worry my responses are too short lol but yeah I agree with you we should bring up issues and I’m glad this dev team responds!

"We will watch to see if the situation gets worse". I can't imagine HOW it can get worse from the current situation. I'm on my own server and I can't get in. This is a horrible system and I hope they learn not to EVER do something like this again in the future.

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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

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Do you say anything nice about the devs?

Its new content what did you expect? I like the idea of hopping to other worlds doing the fate I get a lot of EPX and Scrip that way. Once you start doing what other are doing by hopping around while crafting at other worlds, it become really fun to help. Though I wish the fates were more common. Then people wouldn't have to hop around to different worlds.