PVP exclusive mounts rewards are unfair to non pvp players

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Originally Posted by Dzian

You won't be unsubbed long then because that's basically what stuff like Echo bonus and unsynced does...
Totally destroys the exclusivity of every reward in the game..

Want that savage gob walker mount??? No problem just go face roll a4s with a couple of friends unsynced have it handed to you on a platter.
Want that exclusive louisoix minion?? Same deal just go smash bahamut prolly even solo it these days...
That Omega stuff... yup same again....
EX Primal mount... yet again....

If PVP rewards are allowed to remain exclusive then so should PVE, and likewise if they continually hand out pve rewards on a silver platter so everyone can get them. then they need to do the same to PVP...

Amazing the level of hypocracy when people defend unsynced modes because they can get a primal mount theyve been missing easily.. but then defend esclusivity in PVP and say if you want the rewards then put in the effort to get them... the exact same thing should apply to PVE want the exclusive shiny.. get off ya ass and get it... just just unsync and get it handed to you..

Raiding was designed for players who wanted challenges so why allow them to be unsynced and destroy the value of the rewards... people complained about the story in coil. so they made a totally seperate story mode but still then go and hand out the rewards from the challenge modes like candy... and then do another uturn on things like ultimate by keeping those ones exclusive...

there's no consistency just a boat load of hypocracy.......

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I will admit, I'm glad they at least want to keep ultimates at that level. You have to work for that "ultimate legend" title still if you want it, you can't just unsync cheese it. I do wish other rewards were locked like that though, it trivializes my raid mounts when I find out you could just wait and do it with echo for a way easier time. The only thing I get to keep after echo are the parses.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Good luck getting those pvp garo mounts. Its very rare every get a victory in any of the pvp content.

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It's really not.

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Originally Posted by Hash_Browns

It's really not.

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Unless you have a crew your consistently with who are queuing who know how to PvP, sometimes who wins and loses is the luck of the draw (especially given the format of PvP). That's not even considering that the bottom team can often screw over the winning group if it's neck and neck, which I've seen happen a lot. So it's not like PvP content wins are easy to come by.

That being said not for a second should anyone consider my post an advocacy for unlocking the mounts without doing what is necessary to win them. I only have two of them (the same one) unlocked across my characters and while I would want all (or at the very least the easiest one from the garo collaboration) for my characters I don't think it should be handed to anyone.

You want them, you need to earn the achievement for them before it goes away plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Wiccan026

Unless you have a crew your consistently with who are queuing who know how to PvP, sometimes who wins and loses is the luck of the draw (especially given the format of PvP). That's not even considering that the bottom team can often screw over the winning group if it's neck and neck, which I've seen happen a lot. So it's not like PvP content wins are easy to come by.

That being said not for a second should anyone consider my post an advocacy for unlocking the mounts without doing what is necessary to win them. I only have two of them (the same one) unlocked across my characters and while I would want all (or at the very least the easiest one from the garo collaboration) for my characters I don't think it should be handed to anyone.

You want them, you need to earn the achievement for them before it goes away plain and simple.

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It took me a total of 3 days to get my Feast mount. Mind you, this was only doing a couple of hours a day, and queuing alone.
I did a bit of research, and went in as a GNB a ripped healers to pieces with whatever group I queued in with. I didn't find it taxing or hard to get my wins. Practice runs count, so you don't need to play ranked to get the mount in The Feast.

Don't know how it is in your data center, but in Aether, for Frontline, I believe just being in the Immortal Flames(It might be them, I honestly forget) grants you a quick and easy win, because the teams are stacked.

Playing a few hours of PvP a day, you could still easily get the mounts in llike.. what.. a week, week and a half?

Getting wins in frontlines is very hard. Been in over hundred frontline battles and out of those only been on winning team 5 times. also seen a lot of cheaters and bots in them.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Getting wins in frontlines is very hard. Been in over hundred frontline battles and out of those only been on winning team 5 times. also seen a lot of cheaters and bots in them.

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what GC are you? just go Mael - you'll win like 90% of the time lol

I use freelance when pvp otherwise I have 45 minute queue times. Also doesn't help most time all them are new players that don't work as a team.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

what GC are you? just go Mael - you'll win like 90% of the time lol

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Yeah, it's the same on Aether. Chances of winning on Mael is higher than the other GC (not 90% though).

Just don't be flames. I have horrible tales of what happened when I was there.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I use freelance when pvp otherwise I have 45 minute queue times. Also doesn't help most time all them are new players that don't work as a team.

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I used to think the same thing before, but it really depends on the time of the day. My queue is usually 20min in afternoons EST and in some times instant. It also helps if you have "join party in progress" checked.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Why don't healers get job class mounts like the tanks do. Don't you think that's unfair to the healers.

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Teeechnically...

There's a unicorn mount for conjurer 30.
:P

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Originally Posted by Ixon

I am pretty sure this has never happened in the entire history of FFXIV PVP. DO you have any sources? Or are you just spouting nonsense? Win-trading? Sure, some people have done it, those are the same types who buy/sell clears, they are a minority, and don't happen as often as your misinformation says it does. Please stop spreading unconfirmed, biased information, all it does is hurt the community as a whole.

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I suppose I should only take claims from PvPers at face value even if they're diamond rank.

I tend to function under the assumption that there are always going to be bots in any kind of content that is unpopular but has interesting rewards, though. I don't doubt that it does actually happen but it's probably only in the lower ranks where they can get away with it easily against unskilled players. I've witnessed people coordinating bot grind parties in Eureka using their own accounts plus those of friends, so I'd assume they can do the same in PvP to a degree.

Regardless, I do think they still ought to make some of the old top 100 rewards available again at some point; perhaps several seasons after they were last relevant. Most of the people who earned the mount/glam awards are likely going to tire of them and stop using them in favor of the latest cool thing at some point.

While it would be cool to see recolors of SOME of these items made more available (not necessarily easily so); I can understand why they make it exclusive.

My only issue is it goes to basically the same few people a few of whom are known for RMT related activities in the form of "win selling".

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

A troll toss a bait into water and this is what happened

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Honestly, it’s hard to even say that this is a troll. Because there are players who genuine think and feel the way OP do: they should get anything and everything without putting in the effort involved.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Ultimate fights still maintain their challenge.
Yes it's a title/weapon and not a mount, but the prestige is real.

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the legend title people are everywhere, I just assume that most of them bought the clear so it has 0 prestige for me.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

the legend title people are everywhere, I just assume that most of them bought the clear so it has 0 prestige for me.

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You can check a certain site for proof or not of bought clears—generally, if there’s an upload, it’s legit. That said, the amount of Legends that bought their title are likely a small percentage of the even smaller percentage of Legends out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqLlZQmepY4

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

what GC are you? just go Mael - you'll win like 90% of the time lol

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This isn't the case anymore, for now. Adders have more consistent winning streaks now that Maelstrom is being inundated by people looking for "easy wins." At this point saying that Maelstrom and Adders are close in their win rates would be more accurate. However, Flames are still generally a mess and directionless unless they are stacked with a premade.

So in response to this threat I started looking at all the PVP exclusive stuff, man I joined to late the hellhound stuff is dope and I unfortunately will never be able to have access to it now. Bummer.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I suppose I should only take claims from PvPers at face value even if they're diamond rank.

I tend to function under the assumption that there are always going to be bots in any kind of content that is unpopular but has interesting rewards, though. I don't doubt that it does actually happen but it's probably only in the lower ranks where they can get away with it easily against unskilled players. I've witnessed people coordinating bot grind parties in Eureka using their own accounts plus those of friends, so I'd assume they can do the same in PvP to a degree.

Regardless, I do think they still ought to make some of the old top 100 rewards available again at some point; perhaps several seasons after they were last relevant. Most of the people who earned the mount/glam awards are likely going to tire of them and stop using them in favor of the latest cool thing at some point.

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Firstly, you took some random persons word as an absolute fact and spat it out as truth, never on any circumstance do that without collaborating evidence.

Secondly, stop assuming.

Thirdly, no, they shouldn't bring old rewards back as it devalues the work people had to put into them, it SHOULD be the same in PVE, but it's not. I can't count how many hours I spent per season for the rewards I have, but it would feel like shit to see someone could buy them with wolf marks they got losing 10 Frontline matches. You're not entitled to everything in the game, sometimes you actually have to work for some things.

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Originally Posted by Neutro

Hello,

So right now some cool mounts like "Goten" are only obtainable through grinding 10+ hours of pvp in ff14.

How unfair is that to non pvp players?!?

I've been playing mmos for over 15 years, it's the first time that i'm seeing pvp exclusive rewards that can be used outside of the pvp sphere. This is absolutely nonsense.

PVP armors like "the golden wolf" counterparts can be obtained as gold saucer rewards for non pvp players so why not make the pvp exclusive mounts also available this way or through daily pve rewards or even in the mog station?!?

I'm playing this game to have fun. Where is the fun when you need to do something you dont like for 10+ hours to get something you enjoy?

I'll be suspending my subscription to ff14 until this changes, if ever...

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Troll post

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Originally Posted by Cidel

This isn't the case anymore, for now. Adders have more consistent winning streaks now that Maelstrom is being inundated by people looking for "easy wins." At this point saying that Maelstrom and Adders are close in their win rates would be more accurate. However, Flames are still generally a mess and directionless unless they are stacked with a premade.

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where the seven hells are these adders whenever i'm on then??? sleepin at the wheel! lol

Really?, if PVP mounts are "unfair" so Savage Mounts are Unfair, Achievment Mounts are Unfair, anything, any rewards from Savage, Ultimate, Extreme, Achievments are unfair. After all PVP is a simple choice to people don't go there, while some Extreme Contents not everyone find a fixed group to clear it, so "it's unfair for those people to have exclusive Rewards clearing End-Game content", let me creat a thread complaining about that for SQEX to hear me, my tears are over seas, all Mounts, Minions and Rewards in general should be available for free to everyone without any requiriment for it. :'(

#NoRewardsForAnyContentAtall
#EverythingFree
#NoMotivationToPlayTheGame
#GiveToUsAGenericGame

I only got one of the three mounts from PvP. I don't plan to get the rest.
While it would be nice if SE released them in some way, I am not going to threaten to unsub for something that barely affects my gameplay. It's just childish.

Not everything should be obtained that easily. It's honestly more rewarding when they're from PvP imo. Also how long it takes for you to get the mounts depends on your luck. For me it took me roughly 3-4 hours to get the Garo feast mount because most of the teams I get paired up with are pretty experienced, que times being either almost instant or 5 minutes later, being a tank, and mostly luck on my end. Frontlines took me a lil longer but still enjoyed getting that too.

It has been a long time. But didn't top arena mounts actually go faster. I know they were exclusive, but also thought they were faster then epic mount speed. PvP has almost always had unique items unless I am remembering wrong.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Bye.

Some things being exclusive to certain aspects of the game is fine. There are mounts exclusive to savage raids, eureka, diadem.

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Honestly, I think this whole thing took people off guard because no one outside of japan even know what show this event is linked to. If someone waited until now to try and get the items, they waited a very long time. SE will probably put them up as part of a moogle tomestone event or something in a year or two.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

Honestly, I think this whole thing took people off guard because no one outside of japan even know what show this event is linked to. If someone waited until now to try and get the items, they waited a very long time. SE will probably put them up as part of a moogle tomestone event or something in a year or two.

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Since it's part of a secondary license I imagine it's going away because SE's contract with the producers expired. If it's anything like the Yokai Watch stuff we're likely not going to see it again unless SE sits down and talks it out with the original licensers and pays for the right to use the product. That said I do wish it'd come back, I'm rather fond of the glamours from this event.

I take it you're one of those people who ignores evidence and obvious counterarguments to your point in favor of getting what you want. This makes zero sense.

See ya

Wow I cannot even fathom what is going through OP's mind when he made this post.

There are always rewards / motivations to play a certain aspect of a game. It is not as if you are restricted from playing PvP.

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Originally Posted by Ixon

Thirdly, no, they shouldn't bring old rewards back as it devalues the work people had to put into them, it SHOULD be the same in PVE, but it's not. I can't count how many hours I spent per season for the rewards I have, but it would feel like shit to see someone could buy them with wolf marks they got losing 10 Frontline matches. You're not entitled to everything in the game, sometimes you actually have to work for some things.

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It would be dumb to make them purchasable with wolf marks. I don't see why making them purchasable with a high amount of collars would be an issue, though.

The notion of people getting offended by others having access to a mount/glam that they scarcely use/care about anymore if at all feels a bit silly to me, honestly.

Heck, they could just make the "welfare" versions of mounts/glams a different color or something if they want the people who won them initially to still feel special.

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Originally Posted by Neutro

I've been playing mmos for over 15 years, it's the first time that i'm seeing pvp exclusive rewards that can be used outside of the pvp sphere. This is absolutely nonsense.

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Meanwhile I've been playing the same for roughly the same time and this is far from the first time I've seen PVP exclusive rewards that can be used outside of PVP. Either you enjoy PVP or you don't and basing a reward that can only be gotten via something you don't enjoy to play in content you do enjoy makes me wonder if you're really enjoying said content.

I wish they upped the wolf mark rewards like gold saucer. Good stuff cost more points etc instead of the cap being a measly 20k which is pretty easy to get just by doing the roulette daily.

I don't get how this is unfair. Noone is locking you out, you can earn those mounts if you want to. You just choose not to, which is essentially your own free decision.

Winning Feast matches is probably the only part of the Garo collab rewards where you need to actually put in effort because Frontlines matches are a crap-shoot regardless of how well you play.

Doesn't matter if I can keep people alive forever as a heals if they don't how to focus down targets to gain any headway.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Winning Feast matches is probably the only part of the Garo collab rewards where you need to actually put in effort because Frontlines matches are a crap-shoot regardless of how well you play.

Doesn't matter if I can keep people alive forever as a heals if they don't how to focus down targets to gain any headway.

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I had a match today where I watched Flames basically feed into Adders until they only had 20 points to their 400, with us in Maelstrom having been mostly left alone with really good nodes spawns on the other side of the map. I'm sure there were genuinely good players in that team because when they /did/ regroup and realize they were giving Mael the win they pulled off a few good pinch maneuvers and forced us off a few nodes. Yet they utterly lost still in the end because the rest of their team basically fed Adders a five course meal instead of regrouping. I enjoy Frontlines but like you said, /you/ can be playing perfectly and it won't matter because your teammates are too busy licking paint to care.

I just hate that the PVP stuff is generally locked behind ranked matches only available for limited times. It's their way of crying "please make us an esport!" despite not having fun gameplay with the Feast.

The Feast sucks. I like Frontlines, but Feast has no redeeming qualities, especially when the only time people want to do it is for these items. Why is Feast always so dead? Because no one wants to do it without that limited-time carrot.

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Originally Posted by Neutro

Hello,

So right now some cool mounts like "Goten" are only obtainable through grinding 10+ hours of pvp in ff14.

How unfair is that to non pvp players?!?

I've been playing mmos for over 15 years, it's the first time that i'm seeing pvp exclusive rewards that can be used outside of the pvp sphere. This is absolutely nonsense.

PVP armors like "the golden wolf" counterparts can be obtained as gold saucer rewards for non pvp players so why not make the pvp exclusive mounts also available this way or through daily pve rewards or even in the mog station?!?

I'm playing this game to have fun. Where is the fun when you need to do something you dont like for 10+ hours to get something you enjoy?

I'll be suspending my subscription to ff14 until this changes, if ever...

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Idk, why are pve things exclusive to pve and not pvp?

How unfair is that to non-pve players

Been playing mmos for over 20 years, fist time that I'm--well, you get the point, right >.>

This is a non-issue, and you're wrong, to begin with. Buh bye.

I dont like PvP much but if they made them available in PVE theyd lose the value in PvP. Id rather pvp for some hairstyles/mounts than craft or farm trials

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QisJcFPsjes

OP looking at the serious responses in this thread.

The mounts are there to try and get you to do PvP. why do you think people do PvP?? the stimulating gameplay??? :eek: