Ready for Nier Dark Apocalypse?

Being a big fan of Nier and Automata and quite enjoying FFXIV, I'm a bit surprised that I'm not so excited about it at all. I don't expect anything special from it, I just hope the story itself is not as lenghty and bland as Return to Ivalice.

The only part that could have me interested is how the Nier music can be incorporated in FFXIV, that snippet is quite good. If I could hear some "Cold Steel Coffin" or "Shadowlord", I'd be quite happy.

Gameplay wise, 24 man raids are always funny to run blind so I'm looking forward to this. The weekly grind, not so much.

It's a raid so that's an automatic "No, thank you" from me. Good for the dudes and dudettes looking forward to it. Hope it provides (at least partially) the sort of fun you wish in whatever form that may be.

wonder how many people dont even care about neir and just wanted 2b/p and 9s gear to thirst over

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Originally Posted by RoyalBeef

Good thing I'm a cutscene skipper that doesn't care about lore or canon, so I can just look forward to a fun raid, glams and gear upgrades :D

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And you play a STORY-based MMO because?

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

And you play a STORY-based MMO because?

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Because I enjoy the gameplay. But couldn't care less who my character is and why they are doing what they're doing. They're killing stuff because I want loot and improve my skills as far as I'm concerned ^^

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Originally Posted by Duskane

wonder how many people dont even care about neir and just wanted 2b/p and 9s gear to thirst over

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Y'know what this Raid Could do? Inspire People to Play or even watch LPs of Neir: Automata.
Besides fun random BS, its good advertisement.

I still need to beat Nier Automata two more times

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

And you play a STORY-based MMO because?

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I never understood this part, people complain this story based game is too easy while there are much more difficult games out there that aren’t as storybased that they could he playing.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

I never understood this part, people complain this story based game is too easy while there are much more difficult games out there that aren’t as storybased that they could he playing.

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For every complaint you can find some other game out there that handles that specific aspect better. I never understand why people think it's impossible to have complaints about something and still enjoy it ^^ If there was an MMO out there that I would enjoy more, I would be playing that instead, obviously.

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Originally Posted by RoyalBeef

For every complaint you can find some other game out there that handles that specific aspect better. I never understand why people think it's impossible to have complaints about something and still enjoy it ^^ If there was an MMO out there that I would enjoy more, I would be playing that instead, obviously.

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That makes sense I guess I’m a bit tired of the hyperbole that seems to come with every patch making it sound like the second coming of 1.0

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Y'know what this Raid Could do? Inspire People to Play or even watch LPs of Neir: Automata.
Besides fun random BS, its good advertisement.

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Or draw attention to the original depending on how the raids go. I still want that remaster/remake Yoko Taro said was potentially on the table.

Frankly not: I liked the original Nier far more than Automata and I really didn't like Automata at all.

Still remember when the game asked me to delete my file like 5 times and I was like "Yes, for crying out loud, I never want to replay this game ever again, let me get rid of it!"

If anything if they ever make a Drakengard content, or Valkyrie Profile or even Star Ocean, I would definitely look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by ZhenyaOkami

(And I'd love to get 2Bs hair... SE pls!)

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Me too!

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:::looks down, slowly walks away, sobs in Viera:::

Now that we know the release date, I'm even more impatient to play it! AAAAAH! >.<

I love Nier and everything that gets born in Yoko Taro's head so I have absolutely 0 concern over how it will fit into FF14. It will in the best way possible, whatever it is.

The big unknown right now is how they're going to handle the glamour. There are 3 raid tiers and 7 gear types for each that need to be created and they can't all be 2B cosplay. I'm super hoping that at least one of the tiers uses YoRHa Operator outfits for caster/healer gear. It would be a fitting and welcome change of pace from all the robes.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Or draw attention to the original depending on how the raids go. I still want that remaster/remake Yoko Taro said was potentially on the table.

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I'm of mixed feelings.

Nier's gameplay was....not good. The music, voice acting and characters were what really sold me on it. So I'd love a remake of Nier that has better gameplay.

But only if they get the same english voice cast back. (At least for Weiss, Emil and Kaine.)

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Originally Posted by Bonbori

Now that we know the release date, I'm even more impatient to play it! AAAAAH! >.<

I love Nier and everything that gets born in Yoko Taro's head so I have absolutely 0 concern over how it will fit into FF14. It will in the best way possible, whatever it is.

The big unknown right now is how they're going to handle the glamour. There are 3 raid tiers and 7 gear types for each that need to be created and they can't all be 2B cosplay. I'm super hoping that at least one of the tiers uses YoRHa Operator outfits for caster/healer gear. It would be a fitting and welcome change of pace from all the robes.

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I"m curious if they'll dip into Drakengard or Nier for any outfits. Ivalice favored Tactics in the end but had a good deal of FF XII stuff too.

Considering that 2B's main weapon is a katana I'm guessing 2B's main outfit will be striking but we'll see.

I've been hating on this raid since it was announced and I'm doing my best to not...and to give it a chance. I don't want to be that person who's never played the games but says that it's overrated or overhyped because of what I've seen from it. But at the same time I DO feel like it's been a bit overhyped and just looks like another hack & slash RPG with another generic waifu that's got a fat ass.

My biggest gripe is the fact that it has no relationship with FFXIV. Once again, my favorite MMORPG is being whored to help the sales of another game. This was first done with FF7:Remake and FFXV as we've all heard the rumors that a lot of the income that FFXIV brought in was used for those games. And now Nier. Yoshi P Even mentioned this during the live letter saying, "If you've finished the 5.0 storyline, I strongly suggest you go out and buy Nier: Automata." Like...it's cool for a crossover event, but to create a whole raid based off of a game that has no relationship to FF at all that is supposed to have some kind of relationship with ShB lore is just odd to me.

Sorry for ranting...I know people enjoy the game. And hell, I might even like it if I played it. But honestly, I'm tired of 2B and Nier stuff being used in damn near EVERYTHING nowadays (PSO2, FFXIV, Soul Calibur 6, FF: Brave Exvius, Gravity Rush, Monster Hunter to name a few) and I'm just kind of disappointed because ShB is a great Final Fantasy game. I wish it focused on FF lore and building something original instead of using something that has nothing to do with it.

ok...Rant over

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

So you ready for Nier Dark Apocalypse?

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I'm quite excited. I never played a Nier game but alot of my friends sure hype it.
As for lore concerns I don't have any, gona trust Yoshi and his team:)

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I'm with you on this. I don't have an issue with crossovers in general, but everything else so far has been small-scale and self-contained. It takes the crossover element (Yokai, Rathalos, etc.) and creates a version of it that is part of the world of FFXIV.

I haven't played Yoko Taro's other games, but from what people have said here and from how he acts in interviews (unless his stage persona is very at-odds with his actual approach to things), I feel like this might be a case of him taking FFXIV and making it part of the world of his game.

Meanwhile, Banri Oda is quietly sobbing in a corner...


If he is trying to integrate FFXIV into his actual story rather than creating a disconnected "Eorzean version" of it, I'm very wary about what this will do to the lore, particularly as I understand that would put the story in the same reality as our Earth - and I really dislike that prospect. I'd much rather it stays in its own fantasy universe with its own laws-of-physics and cosmology.

Even if it's not officially connected, people are going to theorise that it is.

I'm not looking forward to this at all.

Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. I hope so. But for now, I'm dreading it.

Also, it just feels wrong for a non-FF game to get such a starring role here, taking up an entire alliance raid (an ongoing core gameplay mode) rather than a temporary special event - it's a bigger feature than several actual Final Fantasy crossovers have had. What's so special about this one game to get this treatment? Or does it mean we'll have more crossovers like this in future, turning FFXIV from its own thing into a patchwork of bits from other stories? I realise that's what it's already doing with other FF games, but at least there are boundaries and a theme to doing that.

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Completely agree with everything you said. The lore aspect in particular bothers me because it isn't like 24 man raids aren't important to the lore. We just had an entire expansion where a key element was what happened in the level 50 24 man raids.

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Originally Posted by Renato

I've been hating on this raid since it was announced and I'm doing my best to not...and to give it a chance. I don't want to be that person who's never played the games but says that it's overrated or overhyped because of what I've seen from it. But at the same time I DO feel like it's been a bit overhyped and just looks like another hack & slash RPG with another generic waifu that's got a fat ass.

My biggest gripe is the fact that it has no relationship with FFXIV. Once again, my favorite MMORPG is being whored to help the sales of another game. This was first done with FF7:Remake and FFXV as we've all heard the rumors that a lot of the income that FFXIV brought in was used for those games. And now Nier. Yoshi P Even mentioned this during the live letter saying, "If you've finished the 5.0 storyline, I strongly suggest you go out and buy Nier: Automata." Like...it's cool for a crossover event, but to create a whole raid based off of a game that has no relationship to FF at all that is supposed to have some kind of relationship with ShB lore is just odd to me.

Sorry for ranting...I know people enjoy the game. And hell, I might even like it if I played it. But honestly, I'm tired of 2B and Nier stuff being used in damn near EVERYTHING nowadays (PSO2, FFXIV, Soul Calibur 6, FF: Brave Exvius, Gravity Rush, Monster Hunter to name a few) and I'm just kind of disappointed because ShB is a great Final Fantasy game. I wish it focused on FF lore and building something original instead of using something that has nothing to do with it.

ok...Rant over

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While I am not able to share the same feelings my dude, because my hype is though the roof, I hear ya fully.

Issue stems that Japanese companies tend to favor crossovers whenever they can. Good or bad, it is kinda a well tried and true marketing tool for them. It is kind of like social networking between companies to have such odd things to cross over's. isekai quartet is kinda of an extreme example of this, Capcom vs Street fighter is another more famous one (morphing into MVC that we know today.) And people like myself will eat it all up, Heck I would be totally down for a Warcraft x Final fantasy cross over, bloody love to see how square would design the Lich King.

Can we explain it all away? Sure! Our PC has done some universal dimensional crossing before lore wise within Final Fantasy so can be explained by 'MAGIC'. I mean... Eden turns the planet into a weapon and sends us to a black hole...

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Originally Posted by Arthrun

Issue stems that Japanese companies tend to favor crossovers whenever they can. Good or bad, it is kinda a well tried and true marketing tool for them. It is kind of like social networking between companies to have such odd things to cross over's. isekai quartet is kinda of an extreme example of this, Capcom vs Street fighter is another more famous one (morphing into MVC that we know today.) And people like myself will eat it all up, Heck I would be totally down for a Warcraft x Final fantasy cross over, bloody love to see how square would design the Lich King.

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I get it. I don't agree with it ALL the time but I get it. I love the VS Capcom games. I'm all for a good crossover...something that fits into the game as an small event or a random cameo or nod to a character or franchise but not as a full 24 man raid which in this game mainly revolves around the FFXIV storyline. We've done crossovers with games outside of the FF realm before with Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Yokai watch and GARO which were on a smaller level.

What some people are missing outside of their excitement or just the lack of care is the fact that the raids will influence the world building and lore of FFXIV. We know Ivalice exists in Eorzea due to the Ivalice Raids. We know time travel is possible from Alexander. We know dimension hopping (what seem to be various FF worlds) is possible from the Alexander quests. So what, now we're dimension hopping to other game worlds? Is that the excuse they're using to shoehorn other franchises into the game? FF has YEARS content that FFXIV could draw influence from. Nier doesn't need to be in this game as a source of mainline content...at all.

Like I said, I know some people don't care about this stuff and just want to see their favorite waifu in FFXIV but in some ways it makes the lore and the game itself feel very messy. PSO2 suffers from this literally just throwing every popular game, anime and even movie character into it's game to the point where now it doesn't know what the hell it wants to be. Not saying this is going to happen with FFXIV. I really don't know what will come of it until it's finally released. It just rubs me the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

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Also, it just feels wrong for a non-FF game to get such a starring role here, taking up an entire alliance raid (an ongoing core gameplay mode) rather than a temporary special event - it's a bigger feature than several actual Final Fantasy crossovers have had. What's so special about this one game to get this treatment? Or does it mean we'll have more crossovers like this in future, turning FFXIV from its own thing into a patchwork of bits from other stories? I realise that's what it's already doing with other FF games, but at least there are boundaries and a theme to doing that.

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^^This...exactly this.

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Originally Posted by Renato

I get it. I don't agree with it ALL the time but I get it. I love the VS Capcom games. I'm all for a good crossover...something that fits into the game as an small event or a random cameo or nod to a character or franchise but not as a full 24 man raid which in this game mainly revolves around the FFXIV storyline. We've done crossovers with games outside of the FF realm before with Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Yokai watch and GARO which were on a smaller level.

What some people are missing outside of their excitement or just the lack of care of is the fact that the raids will influence the world building and lore of FFXIV. We know Ivalice exists in Eorzea due to the Ivalice Raids. We know time travel is possible from Alexander. We know dimension hopping (what seem to be various FF worlds) is possible from the Alexander quests. So what, now we're dimension hopping to other game worlds? Is that the excuse they're using to shoehorn other franchises into the game? FF has YEARS content that FFXIV could draw influence from. Nier doesn't need to be in this game...at all.

Like I said, I know some people don't care about this stuff and just want to see their favorite waifu in FFXIV but in some ways it makes the lore and the game itself feel very messy. PSO2 suffers from this literally just throwing every popular game, anime and even movie character into it's game to the point where now it doesn't know what the hell it wants to be. Not saying this is going to happen with FFXIV. I really don't know what will come of it until it's finally released. It just rubs me the wrong way.

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I totally get where you are coming from. All comes down to how it is presented. (at least in my mind.) Neir can mesh well if written right. I never understood the monster hunter event so ..... perhaps that just a taste that I would accept one thing and not another? Considering how many consider Shadowbringers story good writing I am just going to let it go and say "lets see what happens". I would have confidence they could do it right.... would I trust Blizzard to write a decent cross over explanation? OH GOD NO.

The Monster Hunter crossover fits in just fine, because it just presents Rathalos as an elite hunt mark. There's no great stretch involved, no major story, just "here's a talking cat, he wants you to kill a dragon". And the talking cat himself isn't a stretch, since we see talking animals all the time (Matoya's poroggo familiars, Cait Sith in the Shadows of Mhach storyline, etc).

First, while people all going off about glams, can we also have the weapons from the Nier franchise too to get our hands on.

As for everyone who hates this crossover, we thank you for your opinion, but, it's coming, and we'll just have to agree to disagree. Stop getting into arguments over canon and why it should or shouldn't be in the game before anyone even knows what's going to happen in the story. The game has a massive following, Nier has already been crossed over into other games, and people have been begging for it to be done in here to. The fact that YoshiP and Yoko Taro were even able to agree to this, is a small miracle by itself; these two directors are nothing alike -- like mixing oil and water, and I'm really curious about what we're in store for. And given the kinds of introspective subject matter Yoko Taru is known for, it's not gonna appeal to everyone, and I'm sure there's gonna be tons of people just skipping the cut-scenes and conclude the content is crap; and that's fine, heck, I can even respect it if people actually think about what's going on and still not care for it, but don't grief people for wanting this.

Yeah, I'm sure most will be playing it for the memes; but knowing the story of Nier, I think this raid could be very appropriate in the end.

"Everything that lives, is designed to end. We are perpetually trapped in a never-ending cycle of life and death. Is this a curse? Or some kind of punishment? I often think about the god that blessed us with this cryptic puzzle. And wonder if we'll ever have the chance to kill him (or her)?" - Nier:Automata

Kingdom Hearts has an even more massive following and could fit in just as easily as Nier but it doesn't belong here affecting the lore of this game either. It would have been fine for another timed collaboration. This is giving it far too much presence in an MMO based around a completely unrelated game series.

Kingdom Hearts is also tied to Disney. Don't give the Mouse ideas. He owns enough.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

From what I can see it doesn't look like there been much interest in actually integrating this into 14 and more just about appealing to Nier players and trying to push Nier.

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Considering we haven't seen much of anything, this conclusion is invalid. In fact, given past stories, unless they made a big mistake with this, it should be integrated just as any story side quests in FFXIV because, again, it's a story that is happening in the world of FFXIV. You don't have to play Nier or care about it to enjoy a new addition to the story of FFXIV, as this will be.

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Originally Posted by Renato

I've been hating on this raid since it was announced and I'm doing my best to not...and to give it a chance. I don't want to be that person who's never played the games but says that it's overrated or overhyped because of what I've seen from it. But at the same time I DO feel like it's been a bit overhyped and just looks like another hack & slash RPG with another generic waifu that's got a fat ass.

My biggest gripe is the fact that it has no relationship with FFXIV. Once again, my favorite MMORPG is being whored to help the sales of another game. This was first done with FF7:Remake and FFXV as we've all heard the rumors that a lot of the income that FFXIV brought in was used for those games. And now Nier. Yoshi P Even mentioned this during the live letter saying, "If you've finished the 5.0 storyline, I strongly suggest you go out and buy Nier: Automata." Like...it's cool for a crossover event, but to create a whole raid based off of a game that has no relationship to FF at all that is supposed to have some kind of relationship with ShB lore is just odd to me.

Sorry for ranting...I know people enjoy the game. And hell, I might even like it if I played it. But honestly, I'm tired of 2B and Nier stuff being used in damn near EVERYTHING nowadays (PSO2, FFXIV, Soul Calibur 6, FF: Brave Exvius, Gravity Rush, Monster Hunter to name a few) and I'm just kind of disappointed because ShB is a great Final Fantasy game. I wish it focused on FF lore and building something original instead of using something that has nothing to do with it.

ok...Rant over

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^ This 100%. And I shouldn't need to pay forty bucks to understand the story for new content - especially when said content has absolutely nothing to do with the game series. It's just a giant fanservice advertisement even though they're likely going to shoehorn it into the lore. We could be getting a raid relevant to the world, pre-existing lore, and characters but no here's Waifu with a Sword #5461.

I already find quite some fanservice from other FF games too much so I am even less happy about this being a whole raid. Of course they could try to fit this into the lore but I will always know that this comes from another franchise. Its like suddenly having a whole raid about Pokemon or stuff like that ingame.

I honestly want more completely original raids in this game. Something which FF14 can use to stand out from all the FF games. Maybe with bosses that themselves will become iconic along the way and be used in other FF games. But instead of that they are now taking it even from something not FF related.

Its fine if people enjoy this and are looking forward to it but I dont. Maybe to shock us the whole new NPC cast will be killed of but in the end since its just one side part of the game and cant change much (thankfully) I dont see how it would ever have some of the endings a few people seemingly want.

Nier has nothing to do with FFXIV and I don't care for Yoko Taro's "Look at me, I'm so DEEP AND PHILOSOPHICAL" writing style.

There, I said it. This shouldn't be happening in the first place.

I'm indifferent. I wasn't too huge of a fan of Nier: A, I didn't care for the story and setting to be honest.
I did like everything else from the very little I played, which was past a tiny bit past the Carnival, which I loved the boss!
There's nothing wrong with more stuff and all, and 24 mans are my fave so meh.

My small complaint is, XIV feels like it keeps having Identity Crisis.
How about more original stuff from the game itself? Instead of the constant
Nostalgia Blasts. They're not necessarily bad (I'm still waiting for FF7/10 raids?)
but I wish it did something more within it's own game and not keep pulling from other games
and games nothing to do with the series.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

My small complaint is, XIV feels like it keeps having Identity Crisis.
How about more original stuff from the game itself? Instead of the constant
Nostalgia Blasts. They're not necessarily bad (I'm still waiting for FF7/10 raids?)
but I wish it did something more within it's own game and not keep pulling from other games
and games nothing to do with the series.

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...they really are doomed if they do and doomed if they dont... a Nier-crossover was requested so often that getting one now seems more like them listening to the fanbase rather than them running out of original ideas (like the whole stuff in the current expanion, maybe?)

Just another case of "they cant get it right" - no Nier-crossover: People are asking for one... giving us Nier-crossover: People see this as indication of them being out of ideas...

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Just another case of "they cant get it right" - no Nier-crossover: People are asking for one... giving us Nier-crossover: People see this as indication of them being out of ideas...

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Could've just been a limited event really: add the stuff from the game, add the costumes, add some other stuff, and boom, people are happy and when it's out it's on the shop for a 20 bucks or something.

An event seems too overblown when there are plenty better games with better fitting sitting for them, like valkyrie profile, the mana series, heck even star ocean would fit in since it's basically all fantasy with 0,1% of sci fi in it!

I'm excited as hell. Yoko Taro is a genius in my humble opinion, and I cannot wait to see what madness he creates to troll the players with Yoshi and the team! As well as the new music which will be godly.

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Originally Posted by linay

Considering we haven't seen much of anything, this conclusion is invalid. In fact, given past stories, unless they made a big mistake with this, it should be integrated just as any story side quests in FFXIV because, again, it's a story that is happening in the world of FFXIV. You don't have to play Nier or care about it to enjoy a new addition to the story of FFXIV, as this will be.

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I maybe very wrong, but nothing about this looks like is meant to be integrated. It looks like there had been interest in integrating it in to 14 is just about shoehorning a very different game. Also given that a lot of the team making this have barely even played 14 I don't have a lot of faith.

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Originally Posted by Videra

Nier has nothing to do with FFXIV

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Nier doesn't, but Yorha Dark Apocalypse does.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I maybe very wrong, but nothing about this looks like is meant to be integrated. It looks like there had been interest in integrating it in to 14 is just about shoehorning a very different game. Also given that a lot of the team making this have barely even played 14 I don't have a lot of faith.

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It'd be no different than any other side quest like Ivalice or Omega or Alexander. They're all integrated when they happen.

**might be Shadowbringer spoilers below - don't read if you haven't finished MSQ**

So I was thinking about this thread and came across this video back in February 2019 when the collaboration was first announced:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4QU9Ni94j4

You can see that they're even joking about how Yoshida-san might be trying to destroy FFXIV by collaborating with Nier. xD Even if the alliance raid is a shoehorn, I'm still looking forward to seeing how they try to make things fit. It may end up being ludicrous but at the same time may also reveal a little more about the world of Nier: Automata.

Now that I think about it, my guess is the raid will take place in the First since some of the elements on Mt Gulg (like the white blocks) reminded me of scenes from Automata.

By the way am I the only one who noticed the Secret of Mana reference (flock of pink birds flying across the screen) in the Qitana Ravel dungeon as you emerge from the waterfall?

There is so many people here taking this way too seriously, don't forget that were playing this game for fun. This raid doesn't effect the main story at all and these raids are optional content, if you don't like it just skip the cutscenes and do the raid just for the gear. I for one am super excited for this raid as Nier:A is one of my favorite games.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

...they really are doomed if they do and doomed if they dont... a Nier-crossover was requested so often that getting one now seems more like them listening to the fanbase rather than them running out of original ideas (like the whole stuff in the current expanion, maybe?)

Just another case of "they cant get it right" - no Nier-crossover: People are asking for one... giving us Nier-crossover: People see this as indication of them being out of ideas...

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Just do both: Have original raiding content maybe with some throwbacks to other FF games and then do crossovers in form of events.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Just do both: Have original raiding content maybe with some throwbacks to other FF games and then do crossovers in form of events.

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I honestly prefer having this intgerated straight into the game and baked into the current lore and/or story - instead of having yet another "traveller from a distant world" who magically appeared in Ul'dah, basically screaming at me "I dont belong here and I'll be gone in 2 weeks!" - thats actually always taking a bigger hit on my personal immersion than them being insipred by other games to design their crossovers. And before you tell me that I could just ignore those crossover events: The same goes for the 24-man-raid. (I also dont care to much about immersion at the end of the day - but the mysterious traveller story is getting old by now...)

On top of that I'd reckon that Nier is such a popular franchise by now that a lot of new people would be quite upset if they couldnt access the content anymore if they joined the game "to late" - we know that it always takes them a while to get the stuff on the mogstation. And even if its there... its the mogstation.

We should also consider that they might not have the ressoruces to do both an event and the 24-man-raid right now.

And, as some sort of a last point, I'd like to point out how often I see complains like "Its always the same, they dont have any new ideas, every gearset looks the same, all the bosses are the same" etc. etc. While I already disagree with those complaints (at least to a degree), I think its quite helpful for them to get other developers in for some fresh input that goes beyond just hiring a new artist or programmer. Having other people with decades of experience in making video games contribute something to FFXIV feels more like something we should embrace as a breath of fresh air - and not as something thats invasive to our game.

Bottomline: I'm excited to see the new impulses Nier might bring to the game and I'm happy they decided to put in the effort of incoorporating this as permanent content instead of doing just another "throw away" event with a traveller from another dimension.