That is the kind of fun skills I'd love to see. Both for giving a way to quickly swap position but also make it somehow play into having a close-range aoe attack. Like you get a bonus to it if you first attack from afar then got in close as a finisher. Or given each healer their own variant of Rescue. Scholar's could be a Duty Action, letting them be pulled to wherever Lily is standing when used when they're in a party with a sch.Quote:
Originally Posted by manamoppet
Think on of the reasons for being able to unlock every job on one character was to avoid skill/talent trees altogether. Instead of feeling like you can specialize within a class, changing jobs is that specialization. At least, think that was the idea. Current playstyles of healers does not lend much to that tought.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner
Spells and skill you want for your job in 6.0!
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08-24-2019, 12:30 PMSloprano
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08-24-2019, 07:39 PMCrimsonGunner
i meant like change the entire kit of a class and give it a whole different skill set from what it currently has.
i'm sorry if i wasn't clear.
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08-24-2019, 08:10 PMEnla
At this point I really just want the Fey Gauge to be more useful. I don't mind Aetherpact and Fey Blessing is pretty neat as well - but outside of higher end content I can't think of many instances where my gauge wasn't constantly at 100. Barring the occasional 'I NEED TO PREVENT A WIPE, EOS GO TETHER THE TANK SO I CAN HARD RAISE' debacle. I'd love for it to include some DPS spells but that's asking too much given the way things currently stand for healers...
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08-25-2019, 03:53 AMConnor
Some ideas for new 6.0 Bard skills:
Foe Requiem (since I don’t see it being returned this expansion): 1.5s cast time. Increases damage taken by nearby targets by 3%. 15 second duration, costs 2500 MP. Possibly 100 potency damage to all nearby enemies
Marcato: oGCD, 30 second recast. Spreads the effect of Caustic Bite and Venomous to nearby enemies. Consumes 20 soul gauge. 15% chance to reset the durations.
Valour Minuet: 1.5 second cast time. Gradually restores the HP of nearby party members. Cure potency: 100, Duration: 15 seconds. 2500 MP cost. Each tick of Regen has a 10% of granting a stack of repertoire.
Wide Volley: Deals damage to the enemy and all nearby targets. 150 potency. Combos with Quick Knock
Combo potency: 200, Additional Effect: reduces damage dealt by all targets by 3% (part of the combo effect)
Concerto: Increases the damage dealt by nearby party members by 5% and reduces damage taken by 3%. Action is cancelled if any offensive action is used (can still move). Gradually consumes the Soul Voice gauge when in use. Duration: 12 seconds, 180 second cooldown.
And some potential reworks for current skills while here lol:
Warden’s Paean: 1.5 second cast time. Restores HP to the target and creates a shield worth 75% of the HP restored. Cure potency: 200, Duration: 12 seconds. Additional effect: if the shield is destroyed, deals damage to the enemy with a potency of 150. 1000 MP cost
Nature’s Minne: 1.5 second cast time. Gradually restores the target’s HP and increases HP restored by healing actions and spells by 10%. Cure potency: 100, Duration: 12 seconds. Each tick of Regen has a 10% chance of granting a stack of repertoire. The HP restoration buff will not affect healing spells cast by the Bard (only healers). 1000 MP Cost
Enhanced Army’s Muse (Enhanced Enhanced Army’s Paeon?): Grants the effect of Army’s Muse to all nearby party members when beginning a new song.
Enhanced Empyreal Arrow: restores 500 MP on use
Enhanced Bloodletter / Rain of Death: Allows the stacking of a second charge for Bloodletter and Rain of Death.
Enhanced Apex Arrow: Apex Arrow will restore MP on use. MP restoration is determined by the amount of Soul Voice consumed upon use (something like 500 MP at 20, 2000 MP at 90/100). Increases the maximum potency of Apex Arrow to 600
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08-26-2019, 06:46 AMAhriSazame
AST
Going with the Time Mage theme.
1. Haste
2. Slow (add this to Gravity)
3. Stop (add this to CO)
4. Quick (Give it a 3 minute cooldown, once used, refreshes all the AST's CDs)
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08-29-2019, 09:15 AMArchwizard
Now that I think about it, BLM could totally get some kind of Vortex ability based on the Hollows in the role questline.
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08-29-2019, 10:38 PMRoxas_AndradeLoved those, please SE make them real.Quote:
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08-30-2019, 01:02 AMNhala_Levee
HY there
As was an astrologian main, i can tell i loved the old astrologian far more. It was perfect. The feeling to play with it was far sperior and far much unique than any class even worldwode not just in FF. Now astrologian is nothing... can do nothing, and its buff dont do anything compared to the real astrologian what it was in stormblood.
Astrologian is something like prophetess. Fate guides you nothing else. If the fate gives you The Bole card, go and find a use for it. It have so many way to use that card. The new astrologian, well, i wont call those things cards anymore, much more a piece of paper with some low lvl enhancement, nvm, so the real thing, this astrologian is not astrologian anymore.
The real astrologian was the old one, what was guided by fate (RNG cause fate is probably is that) and followed by luck and creativity, to find use for what fate choses for you.
But to take aways from the "RP" side of the class, astroologian old card system was far superior and enjoyable in every way. Every card has its own use. For me, as a not that professional gamer, ewer was everything. Free mana? Jesus, need.
But for other options, with AOE + Bole combo + aspected helios with nocturnal was a great boss aoe mechanic blocker. What is main priority in this game afterall. Yet its gone.
Other realy useful thing was for me in dungeon runs, it was pretty much helpful The Arrow card, for faster recasts and such.
In other situations, a +50% buffed The Spear card was a very nice buff for a dragoon or other high dmg dps to melt even bosses in no time.
So please, peoples... The Balance is not the only card. As that it is most worthless card in the whole deck. Yes, the combination effect to gives +50% to the effect of the next used card was good. But realy... still that was the lowest card in the deck.
Cause as a healer, my role is not dmg buff but saveing the group. And well, dmg dont gives defense nor anything else. For dps boost, there is many support class like Bard for example or now Dancer.
But please, be somewhat "realistic". The role of the healer is not to support damage output of the dps's. Its role save them and heal them.
So anyway, i prefer the old astrologian much more. For player experience and for usefulness too. I hope Developers will see the logic in this and hope they undo this astrologian called charlatan.
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08-30-2019, 07:27 AMmanamoppet
For WHM one could free up two slots to use for new/lost abilities/spells on the hot-/cross-bar through new traits by letting Medica I change into Afflatus Rapture, and Cure I into Afflatus Solace, while lilies are available.
I can't really think of a situation at higher levels (with all our mp regen and size of pulls) where one use Cure I or Medica I instead of Tetragrammaton/Afflatus Solace or Rapture, as AS and AR cost no mp and are instant, and if there are no abilities to burst heal, then one would most likely use Cure II/Medica II. There used to be a difference in cast-time of Medica I/II if I recall correctly, but that's no longer the case, and the difference in mp use is quite small. Cure I is 1s faster than Cure II, but in my opinion it's not certain the heal from Cure I would be powerful enough to save anyone with the 1s spared. -
08-30-2019, 08:57 AMTheForce
PLD here, I'd kill to have Raise or some kind of TBN-esque shield (probably not as strong though, honestly I'd be good with a 10% HP shield on a fairly short CD, maybe 45-60s).
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08-30-2019, 05:47 PMArchwizardWhile I understand the aesthetic appeal of giving Raise to a PLD (Arise, perhaps?), I have to worry about the logistics of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheForce
First, PLD has no Swiftcast. Unless they get a VERY heavily augmented one, like "several minute cooldown instant Raise", they would have to fullcast it every time unlike anyone else with a rez. To be honest, I think the only practical reason to give a raise to a tank would be in case a healer or the other tank dies, but that would be the worst possible time for a tank to drop everything for 8 seconds to get someone up.
And if you're going to make an instant cooldown to support the other tank, why go for a several minute CD that puts Weakness on your tank when you could just give him some heavy mitigation or an absorb or a delayed heal instead?
Second, you have to keep in mind that RDM already pays a pretty hefty tax for the theoretical utility it gets out of Raise. I'd already be concerned about how it would imbalance the tanks just having one with a rez, much less what cost that tank has to pay to keep it. -
08-30-2019, 06:02 PMHatstandI'm not following your logic on why the other tank being dead would be the only time you'd use rez. I'd think it'd be much more useful if the other tank was still alive and both healers (plus any dps with a rez) went down. The other tank could blow some cooldowns and take the brunt of the aggro while the pally gets a healer up, and then the pally takes aggro and maybe uses a cooldown or two while the healer gets themselves and the other tank back to decent health, and then sets about rezzing the other healer/dead dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archwizard
The question would be how to balance it (as you say). Dps lose rdps to have raise. Would pally also lose rdps? Would they lose the same absolute amount of rdps absolutely as a dps, making them by far the weakest tank, dps wise? Would they lose a proportional amount of rdps and therefore potentially put SMNs and RDMs out of the job because Pally is a cheaper backup rez in terms of how much dps you lose?
(It's at times like this that I really wish we had a talent system, where pally could voluntarily trade a good chunk of their dps for a raise. It wouldn't be optimal in most circumstances, but maybe if you're working with a party and everyone kept dying, it might be worth switching to just for that party. If it was an instant rez on a long cooldown, and you were going into a dungeon with a new healer, it might be worth switching to raise just for that dungeon to help prevent a wipe. Little things like that. You could design it so that the default talents were the most optimal for dps, but you could choose to trade out dps for other things, and it could just be etiquette in raids to use the default barring exceptional circumstances). -
08-30-2019, 09:53 PMAllegorFor what it's worth, PLD already got a trait that makes spells instant while in Requiescat, so in that hypothetical situation it could work as their version of Swiftcast.Quote:
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Role actions already did this, and they were so poorly optimized/distributed that they just became universal abilities. I love the concept of choices, I do miss the talent system from WoW, but it's an illusion of choice because at the end of the day cookie cutter builds are always superior in such a way they're mandatory.Quote:
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08-30-2019, 10:53 PMHatstandReading icy veins (which from what I know is a fairly reputable wow guide), there are several points where they recommend two different talents depending on situation/what other talents you have. Sounds to me like they got it balanced enough that there wasn’t only one acceptable build.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allegor
Also, as I said, I’m fine with them having default talents that provide the most rdps, and thus will be considered “mandatory” in endgame content. But (as I think I said in another post) I’d also be happy with abusing people over talent choices in non endgame content being a bannable offence (similar to how abusing someone over parses is). There’s content out there where people want to have a bit of fun, and know they have what it takes to get the job done. If it’s acceptable for a healer to stand around sitting on their thumbs instead of dpsing in non-endgame content then it’s certainly acceptable for someone to choose non-optimal talents because they’ll have more fun with them. -
08-31-2019, 02:02 AMWawachumeThat's only really true at higher difficulty levels, though. Actually, this was a constant source of frustration to me with WoW---abilities would get deleted because they were "non-viable", despite the fact that most players were doing content where those abilities were perfectly fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allegor