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07-30-2019, 10:32 PM
Ryaz

So, Tsubame is even WORSE at lining up now...

After my first rotation, I'm finding it's lagging behind by 3-4 seconds when before it lined up decently well... so, I have to hold off my Meikyo for a GCD so I'm not sitting there waiting. Not to mention it feels really awkward with a gcd after second iaijutsu.
07-30-2019, 11:05 PM
Kytrin

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Originally Posted by Kahnom

I'm more happy about getting Hagakure back.

Same. Not having that was really screwing with my sen management.
07-30-2019, 11:09 PM
Neri

how do you use hagakure in this case though? It gave 15 kenki instead of 60 this time, how to utilize it?
07-30-2019, 11:41 PM
LunarEmerald

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

So, Tsubame is even WORSE at lining up now...

After my first rotation, I'm finding it's lagging behind by 3-4 seconds when before it lined up decently well... so, I have to hold off my Meikyo for a GCD so I'm not sitting there waiting. Not to mention it feels really awkward with a gcd after second iaijutsu.

I noticed this too.
07-31-2019, 12:00 AM
CazzT

RIP Job Uniqueness
SAM is just another generic melee class now.
07-31-2019, 12:04 AM
Kytrin

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Originally Posted by Neri

how do you use hagakure in this case though? It gave 15 kenki instead of 60 this time, how to utilize it?

That may be a problem with your opener style? I personally use a 2 sen one where I Hakaze>Yukikaze (for that 20 kenki), Hakaze>Shifu>Kasha, Hagakure (which put me at about 70 kenki), Hakaze>Jinpu>Gekko>Kaiten>Higanbana

Once I have the dot on I go straight into Meikyo Shuisui and Yukikaze>Shinten>Shinten>Kasha>Gekko>Kaiten>Midare Setsugekka>Kaieshi: Setsugekka>Ikishoten>Senei

After that it's standard combo rotation with weaving in the Shinten as usual. I haven't worked out the exact timing on when to reapply dot or Meikyo yet since the change, but when I tried it out on the striking dummy this morning I had absolutely no problems having all the kenki I could want. :)
07-31-2019, 01:38 AM
Neri

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Originally Posted by Kytrin

That may be a problem with your opener style? I personally use a 2 sen one where I Hakaze>Yukikaze (for that 20 kenki), Hakaze>Shifu>Kasha, Hagakure (which put me at about 70 kenki), Hakaze>Jinpu>Gekko>Kaiten>Higanbana

Hakaze(5)>Yukikaze(20 1sen), Hakaze(25)>Shifu(30)>Kasha(40 2sen), Hagakure(50 0sen), Hakaze(55)>Jinpu(60)>Gekko(70 1sen)>Kaiten(50)>Higanbana(50 0sen) | Meikyo>Yukikaze(65 1sen)>Shinten(40)>Shinten(15)>Kasha(25 2sen)>Gekko(35 3sen)>Kaiten(15)>Midare(15 0sen)>Gaeshi>Ikishoten(65)>Senei(15).

I see where you are coming from now, sorry, had to break it into some numbers. But does it worth to use hagakure like that and delay ikishoten and senei for that long? I am using 1 sen, higanbana opener.
07-31-2019, 01:55 AM
Nighthawky2010

i enjoy Samurai in StormBlood, cant wait to ALT it in ShB.
07-31-2019, 02:40 AM
Kytrin

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Originally Posted by Neri

Hakaze(5)>Yukikaze(20 1sen), Hakaze(25)>Shifu(30)>Kasha(40 2sen), Hagakure(50 0sen), Hakaze(55)>Jinpu(60)>Gekko(70 1sen)>Kaiten(50)>Higanbana(50 0sen) | Meikyo>Yukikaze(65 1sen)>Shinten(40)>Shinten(15)>Kasha(25 2sen)>Gekko(35 3sen)>Kaiten(15)>Midare(15 0sen)>Gaeshi>Ikishoten(65)>Senei(15).

I see where you are coming from now, sorry, had to break it into some numbers. But does it worth to use hagakure like that and delay ikishoten and senei for that long? I am using 1 sen, higanbana opener.

No worries at all! And personally, I think so. You get your Shifu buff very quickly, but don't have to waste time fumbling with a Midare before continuing your opening. The 2 sen rotation is one I used all through stormblood... I simply couldn't get the hang of 1 or 3 sen openers... and it's served me very well as an excellent compromise between speed and efficiency. The Hagakure for sen management is critical though lol.
07-31-2019, 03:23 AM
Zabuza

So correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason to use Hagakure now would be if you lost your buffs but still have your Sen, so that you could start over on the rotation but get 15 Kenki, no? Since it only gives 5 Kenki per Sen, it would just be better to hold on to your Sen otherwise for a Midare, correct?
07-31-2019, 03:40 AM
Kytrin

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

So correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason to use Hagakure now would be if you lost your buffs but still have your Sen, so that you could start over on the rotation but get 15 Kenki, no? Since it only gives 5 Kenki per Sen, it would just be better to hold on to your Sen otherwise for a Midare, correct?

Depends entirely on how you use it. As I said above, on the right opener it's critical for a smooth flow. But I acknowledge that most people don't use the opener I do. I couldn't make the standard ones everyone was using work so I made my own.
07-31-2019, 03:45 AM
Rivxkobe

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

So correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason to use Hagakure now would be if you lost your buffs but still have your Sen, so that you could start over on the rotation but get 15 Kenki, no? Since it only gives 5 Kenki per Sen, it would just be better to hold on to your Sen otherwise for a Midare, correct?

Correct, mostly. Using it on 3 Sen before was seen as converting it into access to 3 Shinten, which was a potency gain over time compared to using the Sen on Midare. Now? 15 Kenki from 3 Sen is not worth it in the middle of a fight, 5 Kenki is NOT worth losing any Sen. The only times I would consider it worth it is when you need to reset your rotation, if you messed up that bad, you have downtime and have to reset before it comes back, or you are in a dungeon and going between pulls or going into a boss with Sen.

The way I am looking at it right now is: Seigen costs 15 kenki. Is losing 3 Sen for a Seigen (200 potency) worth it? I don't think so. If you look at Shinten 15 Kenki converts into 180 potency, even lower.

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Originally Posted by Kytrin

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You may be able to get it too work for your rotation but using Hagakure now is a straight DPS loss. Its best not to use it in battle, from what I can see, and should definitely not be used on CD like before.

Also, starting with Yuki and not Ka combo? First time I've seen that.

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Originally Posted by Neri

But does it worth to use hagakure like that and delay ikishoten and senei for that long? I am using 1 sen, higanbana opener.

Honestly? No. You need to convert the Kenki into potency and compare it if you do and don't use it. 1 Shinten costs 25 Kenki at 300 potency. Each Sen gives 5 Kenki with Hagakure, which is equal to 60 potency. Up to you if you think 60 potency is worth it. I don't think it is.
07-31-2019, 04:18 AM
Ryaz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zabuza

So correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason to use Hagakure now would be if you lost your buffs but still have your Sen, so that you could start over on the rotation but get 15 Kenki, no? Since it only gives 5 Kenki per Sen, it would just be better to hold on to your Sen otherwise for a Midare, correct?

Nope, you're correct. It's something to use between pulls or doing phase transitions to clear sen so you can start fresh and not overlap a sen to reapply buffs.
07-31-2019, 04:25 AM
Kytrin

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Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

Also, starting with Yuki and not Ka combo? First time I've seen that.

Yeah. I know. It's weird. Though I'm honestly surprised by HOW weird it apparently is. Official rotations and I don't get along. I spent hours at the striking dummy trying to get them to work and could never manage it. My 2 sen opener was my solution to the problem. Granted, it's not optimal, but it does work well for pretty much everything except maybe savage raiding.

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