Kicked from dungeon for not following the way others want you to play

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Originally Posted by Reap00

You ARE NOT ABOVE ANYONE and have no right to judge ANYONE. Get it through your thick skull. Deal with it.

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You're right, I'm not above anyone - nor is anyone else.
If half the party doesn't wanna play with you because you give the "you don't pay my sub" attitude after getting advice - they can/will kick you.

Let me add op if you are on aether I'm not a summoner main but I can teach basics if needed. I've played every job to max so I have bare min of what people expect.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

You ARE NOT ABOVE ANYONE and have no right to judge ANYONE. Get it through your thick skull. Deal with it.

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You're unrealistic. Everyone gets judged multiple times a day - be it for the apperance, performance, attitude, etc. Why should it be different in a game?

And a "difference in playstyle" is a valid reason to vote-kick someone.

You guys need to chill also there is a bare min you should play at. If that isn't what you want use the trust when it comes out. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

You ARE NOT ABOVE ANYONE and have no right to judge ANYONE. Get it through your thick skull. Deal with it.

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They also have no obligation to play with anyone. Majority rules (except in cases of abuse). "Difference in playstyle" (which this falls under) is NOT considered abuse. I generally don't mind and will let things slide, but that's just how the cards are laid.

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Originally Posted by Tremara

You're unrealistic. Everyone gets judged multiple times a day - be it for the apperance, performance, attitude, etc. Why should it be different in a game?

And a "difference in playstyle" is a valid reason to vote-kick someone.

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Meh personally I don’t care in basic dungeon content because it is a game, I’m better than some people, some people are better than me sometimes I get done in 15 minutes, sometimes, very, very rarely up to 40 if it’s bad I grin and bare it. I mean if you are trying to clear an ex/savage fight and someone is arguing and causing the group not to clear then sure but dungeons in roulletes meh I assume that risk when I que with less than a full party, things are super slow I got friends in FC/LS chat to hang with while I endure it lol.

Eh people are weird, dont let them get to you as long as you use your dots and everything else in your kit not many people are going to care for old content
Also A+ for ressing the healer twice

Imagine going to the lvling pugs and kicking sprouts over their poor dps. xD

Some people just lack common sense.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Imagine going to the lvling pugs and kicking sprouts over their poor dps. xD

Some people just lack common sense.

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I can agree with this but some people are locked in the idea anything past 50 you need to know post end game on arr technically.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Imagine going to the lvling pugs and kicking sprouts over their poor dps. xD

Some people just lack common sense.

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I bet they had a mentor crown too! :p

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Originally Posted by Freerider

I can agree with this but some people are locked in the idea anything past 50 you need to know post end game on arr technically.

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I don't think that's the point. The idea is that you're supposed to know the job you're playing and if not, that you are willing to take advices from other players. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by DarkMasamune

I don't think that's the point. The idea is that you're supposed to know the job you're playing and if not, that you are willing to take advices from other players. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Oh I agree. Maybe I just worded that badly. I mean anything past 50 is past the end of the first game.
I'm not saying that op shouldn't know their class. Honestly unless they know team comps and stuff they should just use Ifrit on sic anyway.

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Originally Posted by DarkMasamune

I don't think that's the point. The idea is that you're supposed to know the job you're playing and if not, that you are willing to take advices from other players. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

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Originally Posted by Freerider

Oh I agree. Maybe I just worded that badly. I mean anything past 50 is past the end of the first game.
I'm not saying that op shouldn't know their class. Honestly unless they know team comps and stuff they should just use Ifrit on sic anyway.

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Right, my apologies then, I misunderstood that :)

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Originally Posted by DarkMasamune

I don't think that's the point. The idea is that you're supposed to know the job you're playing and if not, that you are willing to take advices from other players. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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At the same time different people learn at different rates I know when I started to have to swap between got hotbars on my controller it took me a lot of practice, yes some people catch on a lot faster than others but you can’t just tell them something and expect it to click unless it’s something super straight forward like “use flash to keep hate on a group of mobs” though granted that is something super basic

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

At the same time different people learn at different rates I know when I started to have to swap between got hotbars on my controller it took me a lot of practice, yes some people catch on a lot faster than others but you can’t just tell them something and expect it to click unless it’s something super straight forward like “use flash to keep hate on a group of mobs” though granted that is something super basic

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I mean summoner is a hard job to micromanage anyway. I don't suggest Garuda to new players unless they know how to use contagion anyway.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

At the same time different people learn at different rates I know when I started to have to swap between got hotbars on my controller it took me a lot of practice, yes some people catch on a lot faster than others but you can’t just tell them something and expect it to click unless it’s something super straight forward like “use flash to keep hate on a group of mobs” though granted that is something super basic

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We are talking to use the proper pet for each situation too. OP said something along the lines of: "I prefer Garuda over Ifrit". I don't know the playstyle of the OP (to be fair I don't care, MSQ dungeons are easy enough), but not using the proper pet is something no one can defend.

It's like refusing to use AoE skills for no real reason.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

At the same time different people learn at different rates I know when I started to have to swap between got hotbars on my controller it took me a lot of practice, yes some people catch on a lot faster than others but you can’t just tell them something and expect it to click unless it’s something super straight forward like “use flash to keep hate on a group of mobs” though granted that is something super basic

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Of course, I wholeheartedly agree with this.

All I'm saying is that you're expected to know the job you're playing. But if you make some mistakes or do not know some aspect of it, it is totally OK, as long as you're willing to listen to advices and get better in the end.

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Originally Posted by White_Wolf_X

Sadly you are gonna meet people like that every now and then, don't let it get to you just try to move on.
also if they say something like "you are doing low dps etc" ask them how they know it and if they say "parser" > you now have a valid reason for reporting them.

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Don't really need a parser to tell if damage is low - you can easily get a feel for if it's overall low, normal, or fairly decent based on how quickly things die. If a pack of trash isn't dying quickly and you look over to see melee/ranged at full TP and casters using Fire IV/Ver-spell, it's fairly safe to say that the damage is pretty garbage.

"Difference in playstyle" is seen as a justifiable reason to be removed from a group by the devs, and seeing how they tried to give you advice before kicking and you ignored them to 'play your way' then that's even more reason in their favor. Sorry that happened but see it as a reason to improve.

Maybe look at some summoner guides so you understand how the job is meant to be played. This game doesn't really have 'playstyles'. The jobs aren't complex enough for that so if you're playing outside the norm most likely you're doing a poor job. Keep your experimental rotations to when you are by yourself, when you are in a group you need to think of the people you're playing with and not be selfish by gutting your performance with some made up playstyle.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Don't really need a parser to tell if damage is low - you can easily get a feel for if it's overall low, normal, or fairly decent based on how quickly things die. If a pack of trash is dying quickly and you look over to see melee/ranged at full TP and casters using Fire IV/Ver-spell, it's fairly safe to say that the damage is pretty garbage.

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Also pretty easy to tell if you just watch someone for a minute or so. Rotation tells all.

I doubt the people in the run appear here anyway. Many people don't bother with the forums.

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Originally Posted by JustJon

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I literally have no idea where you would get such a ludicrous idea from? Did someone 'directly' call someone out?

Hmmm... isn't that against ToS or ToC?

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What are you going on about?

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Don't really need a parser to tell if damage is low - you can easily get a feel for if it's overall low, normal, or fairly decent based on how quickly things die. If a pack of trash is dying quickly and you look over to see melee/ranged at full TP and casters using Fire IV/Ver-spell, it's fairly safe to say that the damage is pretty garbage.

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I know, never said that the only way to see it is with parser just said that if OP asked them how they know and they said "parser" then he/she would have a valid report reason.

I mean you want to play your way let the parser play theirs. (I don't use one I'm on PS4)

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Originally Posted by JustJon

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I literally have no idea where you would get such a ludicrous idea from? Did someone 'directly' call someone out?

Hmmm... isn't that against ToS or ToC?

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Don't you start. I'll shine the otter signal.

As for the topic. There's not much you can really do OP. If they did offer some advice and you said no, then that is a difference in playstyle. My only pieces of advice would be A) Run 4 man content with 2 friends, thus shutting vote kick down and B) Maybe look back on the situation and reflect. By all means, I'm fine with others having their own way of playing. I cannot and will likely never force someone to play how I want them to. But, if I get kicked (Thankfully, I've only been kicked once ever for not going 'fast enough' in PoTD.) I'd ask myself why.

I wish you the best of luck though and hope you don't have to deal with folks like that again.

People really need to stop inherently viewing getting removed from a party as a personal attack. Sure it can be done as a personal attack, but do not sweat it, move on and queue again. Or if you want to sweat it, ask yourself more constructive questions, like what was I doing that annoyed my group, what can I do to improve myself so this does not happen again. Sweating over the fact if it was valid or not is honestly a waste of your time since the reality is difference of play style is a valid reason for removal. Unless harassment via the chat log occurred GM has no proof so reporting the players is also a waste of time not only for you but the GM, and you will mostly just get a canned response from the GM, with no resolution in the matter.

In the end you only have control over your own actions, so take control do not worry about others actions and improve your own play, or at the very least maybe seek out and see if they criticism that was offered as valid.

I am going to hate saying this as I like to defend the little guy/new person. But if you were kicked unless you ran into actual jerks... you were most likely kicked for performance issues. I don't play sch/snm so I don't know what is the best pet to use. But if I'm a betting man I'd say with how you told us about that.... that's the reason you got kicked. Most people only use the kick function cause of someone not listening afking or trolling the group, don't sweat it. just if someone is giving advice try to be as respectful as possible and try it out. Unless it's a troll.

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Originally Posted by White_Wolf_X

I know, never said that the only way to see it is with parser just said that if OP asked them how they know and they said "parser" then he/she would have a valid report reason.

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Unless someone is actively harassing others with it, no need to report about it. That's just petty behavior. Stating that damage is low isn't really harassment.

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Originally Posted by JustJon

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I literally have no idea where you would get such a ludicrous idea from? Did someone 'directly' call someone out?

Hmmm... isn't that against ToS or ToC?

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Blatantly naming someone is against the forum guidelines. A player present in a run being currently discussed coming into the thread and saying they were in the run with the OP and clarifying the encounter/providing another side to the story is not.

If you left Garuda on Sic and were constantly knocking back mobs out of the AoE, I'd kick you in a heartbeat. That's annoying to everyone in the group. Probably why the Tank told you to use Ifrit.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

That's a pretty shit attitude. Maybe you should try single player games.

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Care to explain why? They qualified their statement; saying this only applies to someone underperforming. While that is subjective, we can readily assume they mean bad enough it's noticeable. Why should they, I or anyone carry say, a BLM who is getting out dps'd by the tank and healer, through a dungeon? This is especially true if they'd offered advice and ignore it.

I get it. DF is supposed to be a crap shoot. But that doesn't mean we have to just accept every ice mage we see. If you want to carry them, by all means. Go right ahead. No one else is obligated though.

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Originally Posted by White_Wolf_X

Sadly you are gonna meet people like that every now and then, don't let it get to you just try to move on.
also if they say something like "you are doing low dps etc" ask them how they know it and if they say "parser" > you now have a valid reason for reporting them.

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"I've been watching your rotation"
"I main x job and know the AoE rotation"
"I noticed you standing still often."
"You weren't AoEing"
"The mobs were dying much slower."

Just several examples one can say without giving away they have a parser going. That being said, unless someone is exceedingly rude. If your go to response to someone saying your DPS is low is to bait them into incriminating themselves just so you can report them. Well, who's the actual toxic one here?

I've never kicked someone because they played bad. You have to really play abysmal, like on purpose bad and the party has to wipe a lot for me to get annoyed. And for normal casual content the ideal rotation isn't needed so I'm with OP on that. Didn't sound justified. Some people have to learn to relax and live with not optimal playstils. If you can't deal with it, only play with your static. It's not like you can't give others tipps, I think you should but at the end of the day people just want to have fun and not getting berated and kicked for not playing the optimal way.

With the way some people in this topic is acting to one another, I would just kick because your attitudes are just terrible.
OP is even talking about a normal regular ol' dungeon at that where it's so easy
you don't really need top tier performance play...You guys need a break or something...
I mean Jimney Christmas lol.

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

With how angry everyone seems to be, some might need a little break before expac.

Why are you all trying to slash each other throat.

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Lol! That's what I'm saying.

Looking on the Lodestone, OP is wearing 6 pieces of gear from the Aery and using the title Nidhogg Slayer ... so I guess there was a happy ending?
OP, if you read this - I expect the tank was correct that you were doing less damage than you could be.
If you were doing 80% of your possible damage, he was very much in the wrong to kick you. Below max level, any reasonable performance should be fine, and the most you should get if playing 'wrong' is some advice.
If you were doing 20% of your possible damage, he was very much in the right - it likely even would have been necessary to kick you to pass Nidhogg's dps check, if the other 3 players weren't skilled enough to cover for you.
It's also possible the tank (or you) was just being a jerk, and performance had nothing to do with the kick.

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Originally Posted by VillainQueen

I've never kicked someone because they played bad. You have to really play abysmal, like on purpose bad and the party has to wipe a lot for me to get annoyed. And for normal casual content the ideal rotation isn't needed so I'm with OP on that. Didn't sound justified. Some people have to learn to relax and live with not optimal playstils. If you can't deal with it, only play with your static. It's not like you can't give others tipps, I think you should but at the end of the day people just want to have fun and not getting berated and kicked for not playing the optimal way.

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We are only getting half the story, maybe less than that. I'd be willing to bet we're getting less than half. But we can't really do much but speculate as to the events leading to their kick without all the facts. Most of the time when a vote to kick is initiated, it took a lot to get to that point. Not always, but most of the time.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Care to explain why? They qualified their statement; saying this only applies to someone underperforming. While that is subjective, we can readily assume they mean bad enough it's noticeable. Why should they, I or anyone carry say, a BLM who is getting out dps'd by the tank and healer, through a dungeon? This is especially true if they'd offered advice and ignore it.

I get it. DF is supposed to be a crap shoot. But that doesn't mean we have to just accept every ice mage we see. If you want to carry them, by all means. Go right ahead. No one else is obligated though.

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Simply put, you are using a random party formation feature in a game which matchs players of varying skill levels. This is a known going into content using duty finder. If a person expects and requires a certain level of play, make a pre-made.
Also, you would not know a dps player has output lower than a healer or tank without a dps meter..... which is against the ToS and simply given a blind eye.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

Simply put, you are using a random party formation feature in a game which matchs players of varying skill levels. This is a known going into content using duty finder. If a person expects and requires a certain level of play, make a pre-made.
Also, you would not know a dps player has output lower than a healer or tank without a dps meter..... which is against the ToS and simply given a blind eye.

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And if the party decided they don't want that random that doesn't pull their own weight, it is beautifully justified to kick the underperformer to the curb.

It'll be even better in shadowbringers where this underperformer can be exiled to trust runs, sandboxed away from the parties that would kick them.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

Also, you would not know a dps player has output lower than a healer or tank without a dps meter..... which is against the ToS and simply given a blind eye.

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A dps meter is not needed to know that someone is underperforming, though they'd have to be really, really underperforming to truly notice.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

Simply put, you are using a random party formation feature in a game which matchs players of varying skill levels. This is a known going into content using duty finder. If a person expects and requires a certain level of play, make a pre-made.
Also, you would not know a dps player has output lower than a healer or tank without a dps meter..... which is against the ToS and simply given a blind eye.

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AOEing large trash packs should be a standard even for randomly matched parties. But getting DPS to AOE is worse than pulling teeth it seems.

That said, if a healer is spamming Holy/Gravity/Miasma II while a DPS is single-targeting, you don't need a damage meter to know that the healer is pulling the weight here. It's simple math at that point.

Clearly we had a difference of opinion on the matter. Such is life.

it only takes 2 votes to have a kick pass