another housing complaint thread

The RNG timer does suck. Plots should go into a timer status after demo or release but the plots shouldn't be shown as available in my opinion. They should randomly pop onto the market after the timer expires and be ready for sale. That would prevent the camping and the needless sitting at the placard clicking for hours. I know I just did that on Balmung and was lucky enough to get a small for my new FC.

It's certainly not a fun experience and not for everyone. Even being persistent doesn't guarantee getting it and only builds resentment in my view.

I've wasted a total of 23 hours in the last 3 days due to someone running in and skipping the timer on houses with relocation. The current system is absolute garbage and a random raffle needs to be added instead. I don't care that I didn't get the house. I care that the process of acquiring one is an incredible waste of my time.

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Originally Posted by Kiba_Whitewolf

I've wasted a total of 23 hours in the last 3 days due to someone running in and skipping the timer on houses with relocation. The current system is absolute garbage and a random raffle needs to be added instead. I don't care that I didn't get the house. I care that the process of acquiring one is an incredible waste of my time.

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I've recently uninstalled the game because of that crap.

I started at 7am or so until 7.45pm so more than 12 hours and then I had to go diner. When I came back 15min later it was bought. Yes I spent the all day doing mostly nothing but clicking a placard for a house getting taken from me the few minutes I wasn't behind my computer.

Lets not forget the moment I almost didn't sleep only for the house to be bought at 12pm or so when I was eating.


The harsh part beside time wasted is that when I do that for a house its because I love the plot location.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Plots should go into a timer status after demo or release but the plots shouldn't be shown as available in my opinion. They should randomly pop onto the market after the timer expires and be ready for sale.

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I'm new to the game, and was very excited when our small FC got access to purchase land...until I realised that even on normal pop servers it's rare to even see a plot for sale, and when you do, you can sit for hours spam-clicking, scared to leave because it could be any second. I'm currently pushing into hour 7 on this plot, mostly alone, and will still be unlikely to win it, like has happened on other plots before. It's demoralising to sacrifice sleep, fun, and actually playing the game for hours on end to get only wrist pain and a chat log full of red.

Better options:
* Hidden timer before it goes on sale, but once it's for sale it is actually for damn sale!
* Hidden timer like now, but it's marked as in escrow rather than for sale: you click once, cite interest, and once escrow ends, it's raffled between interested parties, or if escrow ends with no sale, put it up for sale and start your devaluation timer.
* Set update times combined with the current random timer, so whilst you don't know if that hellish timer is going to be one hour or one day, you know it'll only change status on the top of the hour, so you can go and spend 59 mins doing, I dunno, actually fun stuff.

Additionally, the relocation thing is complicated, because so many people are forced into taking plots that'll do, so they should have the option to upgrade, but not at the expense of those still trying to get in on their first plot. Relocation has to be subject to the same rules as new buys. Currently, folk are forced to take any small plot they can find and then wait on their preferred plot, as it's impossible to get the more desirable plots unless via relocation, which not only costs more, but means folk are hogging the less desirable plots as a temporary base, where they could be being actually used by players who are less fussy about location. Also, set a cooldown on relocating, say 45 days after purchase you have the option to relocate, but before that you cannot. That should make it less enticing to lock yourself/your FC into a plot as you may miss that plot you were holding out for. If you're looking for a small plot to use until you can afford to upgrade, it still works, but if you're just grabbing something to timer-skip, you shoot yourself in the foot.

Being honest, if it wasn't for my friends playing, this experience would have driven me away from the game. I just cannot comprehend why a game developer would want you to be unable to play the game for hours/days/weeks, trapped click-spamming and growing increasingly disenchanted with the game. And it's not the lack of availability - scarcity of desirable resources is fine - it's the timer and the way it requires you to game the system to bypass it.

Terrible system, worst I have ever seen in a MMO and I have been playing them for 20+ yrs. Goju's idea about not being able to buy or relocate to another house for 45 days seems like a good one.

I bought my first house, a small about 2.5 yrs ago then upgraded to the medium I have now about 9 months later. I grabbed an apt along the way at first for deco storage I wasn't using then eventually made it a cute shop. One of the attractive draws to the game was housing and I remember being dismayed when I saw so few within wards the day I went to purchase. For myself, if I had not been able to purchase a house, which was advertised as part of the play package prior to my starting FF, I would not still be here to make this post.

I hope they take the housing community serious and make it a better place really soon.

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Originally Posted by Besame

Terrible system, worst I have ever seen in a MMO and I have been playing them for 20+ yrs.

I hope they take the housing community serious and make it a better place really soon.

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If it's so bad then quit. You'll be doing others in your situation a favor by being one less person sitting at a placard. You'll also be saving yourself stress and grief. Win-win :)

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Originally Posted by Kuo

This rng timer is getting to be unfun. would be better if they showed the timer if they want to keep the timer.

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You can thank the house sellers, it's because of them that they put an invisible timer.

But in the end, are the players / Fc without homes who pay the consequences.

Before, just buy the houses and resell them after 3 to 4 times more expensive.

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Originally Posted by GU099

If it's so bad then quit. You'll be doing others in your situation a favor by being one less person sitting at a placard. You'll also be saving yourself stress and grief. Win-win :)

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Do you just go through every house post and act toxic towards people ? Second post i have seen where you acting like a elitist. People are making valid points, the current system is not working.

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Originally Posted by GU099

If it's so bad then quit. You'll be doing others in your situation a favor by being one less person sitting at a placard. You'll also be saving yourself stress and grief. Win-win :)

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Never stood at a placard, never will, I am content with my medium home but I would swap to a large if the opportunity arose in an area/plot I desired. Housing here is a fail part of fun gameplay right now for many and I feel bad for the good people playing that have none. I hope one day they make instanced housing a reality and allot one per person/server with alts able to occupy.

OP, I think your best chance of getting a house right now without click spamming placards is by moving to another datacenter. Aether and Primal have consistently been full and low on housing compared to Crystal. I have a toon on Gilgamesh & on Famfrit and I check housing as I log on, even Famfrit which is a preferred world has had 1-3 vacancies only and they do get camped. I only got a house because the person camping with me quit and went to sleep. The housing system really is a mess. The RNG with placards, the relocation sales so you can get specific plots, and the system for FC housing where people just buy multiple FCs all have to be addressed. Solutions other than instanced housing would be:
1. Improve already existing apartment system - include a balcony for garden plots and it's basically the same functionality as a small house
2. Disable relocation or change the way relocation works so people don't use it for malicious purposes to reset timers or for "sale" on Reddit / discord / outside of the game
3. Limit FC housing ownership to 1 per account like personal housing. Take away houses from people who are using loopholes to acquire 2 or more houses.

I have lost the EXACT same plot in 4 different wards across 3 days and over 35 hours to people relocating. It is unbelievable how bad this system is.

May 23rd, 2019 @ 11:23pm server time - Jenova server (normal population server)

no plots available in any ward

please fix thanks.

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Originally Posted by GU099

If it's so bad then quit. You'll be doing others in your situation a favor by being one less person sitting at a placard. You'll also be saving yourself stress and grief. Win-win :)

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Either you have a house already or you can't afford housing. Your negative input is unwanted. How about you take your toxicity and go elsewhere. We're busing complaining here. xD

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Originally Posted by shaiel

OP, I think your best chance of getting a house right now without click spamming placards is by moving to another datacenter. Aether and Primal have consistently been full and low on housing compared to Crystal. I have a toon on Gilgamesh & on Famfrit and I check housing as I log on, even Famfrit which is a preferred world has had 1-3 vacancies only and they do get camped. I only got a house because the person camping with me quit and went to sleep. The housing system really is a mess. The RNG with placards, the relocation sales so you can get specific plots, and the system for FC housing where people just buy multiple FCs all have to be addressed. Solutions other than instanced housing would be:
1. Improve already existing apartment system - include a balcony for garden plots and it's basically the same functionality as a small house
2. Disable relocation or change the way relocation works so people don't use it for malicious purposes to reset timers or for "sale" on Reddit / discord / outside of the game
3. Limit FC housing ownership to 1 per account like personal housing. Take away houses from people who are using loopholes to acquire 2 or more houses.

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Hi

Thank you for your input, but if I move, I have to ask all of my FC mates to move as well, and I'd have to reform the FC and relevel it and... I really like Jenova, the community is wonderful.

I'm not leaving the server.... but your points are all true. Hopefully someone will actually fix this mess. Thanks for your input!

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Originally Posted by timmeh1333

Hi

Thank you for your input, but if I move, I have to ask all of my FC mates to move as well, and I'd have to reform the FC and relevel it and... I really like Jenova, the community is wonderful.

I'm not leaving the server.... but your points are all true. Hopefully someone will actually fix this mess. Thanks for your input!

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Hi OP! Yeah, I understand that. All the effort and connections would be gone. That's mainly why I made my 2nd toon, because I wanted to be able to go back to Gilgamesh and say hi to friends and stay in the FC I'm in. I've visited Jenova and other Aether servers since the merge and you guys are lovely! Hopefully they announce something by the next live letter in June. If not, fingers crossed for demolition to kick in on your server and hopefully you get lucky. Maybe other FC mates can help camp with you at the same time? Ask them to mark themselves as busy while they AFK. It's definitely a deterrent to most other people if 10 people are hanging out a plot even if only one is clicking. Although there are malicious people that relocate for fun just to mess with people clicking placards, those are the exception.

The first wave of auto demo since they turned the timer back on should be hitting in June so hopefully that'll help things. You could get small plots on Diabolos on the regular before they turned it off.

Contributing if only so Square knows just how many players are unhappy with this. It's not a matter of fixing the timers, though one could focus on that after several attempts at click wars and hours upon hours standing at placards....

It's a matter of making housing available to everyone. All players pay the same subscription and deserve to have access to all aspects of the game... including workshops, subs/airships, gardening, and interior design. Quit making vital game features exclusive to only a percentage of the player base. I just don't understand that type of thinking where you want to create a caste system of players.

Server load issue? I believe you creative and resourceful folks can figure this out. Already working on it? Let us know so we can have hope for future content.

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Originally Posted by GenBroadaxe

The first wave of auto demo since they turned the timer back on should be hitting in June so hopefully that'll help things. You could get small plots on Diabolos on the regular before they turned it off.

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Maybe. Though even if it does, it wouldn't resolve the overall arching problem that is a finite resource.

My only assumption at this point is it's meant to encourage people to keep their subscription because if you end up losing your house after not playing for 45 days it's going to be VERY hard to get it back VS "I'll just buy another one."
Although that doesn't keep those around who don't have a house. Some will resort to cheating or quitting over such matters I'm sure, which is likely counterproductive to the above of trying to keep people around.

Also, the housing system is a draw for many new players.

Guess what, won't ever be able to get a house. SE should probably just remove any mention of housing in marketing, because at it is, if you don't already have a house, you're, not getting one unless you transfer to a deserted server, and so much for playing with your friends in an FC if that's the plan.

Hey its me again with yet an amazing housing story

So I spent the whole night trying to get a house...

Only to have someone reallocate.

Yep someone with a house and who probably had a wonderful night took the plot.

Thanks again for that wonderful system.

@sesera (and other house hunters), if there are multiple available houses in your server, why not just stay at one plot for 15 to 30 mins then warp to another and then back again where you 1st started to cover more ground. Anyways, its a random timer and you also have to consider those who are relocating. You can use aetherite tickets so you don't have to pay the warping fee.

05/29/19 at 12:12am Jenova server

zero housing plots available

one month before 5.0

If there is zero housing now, there will be zero housing when all the new/returning players come back. People want this feature. I want a house for my FC. I've been trying to get a small for over 2 months. At this point, I could afford a medium and would prefer that.

Create a system where your employees review housing wards, and when they fill up, add more wards to that particular server.

If you have to add more wards across the entire game, that is very poor and lazy design.

Please review and fix. Thank you from a very loyal customer (I own a copy of FFVII when it came on floppy disks -- I've been playing your games since your "Final Fantasy" on NES [you thought you were going under, yes I know the story])

Please. I just want a house. Who cares if you have desolation on some low pop servers. What about the high pop servers that want housing? You should be thinking of them... more players = more income for you = happy customers = win/win.

Please fix. Thank you. /rant

if it makes you feel any better, my real house got hit by a tornado the day after my first chemo, while I was house hunting in game.
NOW I LIVE IN A HOTEL FOR THE NEXT 6 MONTHS WHILE USING SNAIL HOTEL INTERNET, BEING SICK, AND NOT EVEN THE COMFORT OF OWNING A GAME HOME.
way to suck SE!
Thanks for showing you once again dont give a flying f**k about your players! GG!
*SLOW CLAP*

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Originally Posted by Satty

if it makes you feel any better, my real house got hit by a tornado the day after my first chemo, while I was house hunting in game.
NOW I LIVE IN A HOTEL FOR THE NEXT 6 MONTHS WHILE USING SNAIL HOTEL INTERNET, BEING SICK, AND NOT EVEN THE COMFORT OF OWNING A GAME HOME.
way to suck SE!
Thanks for showing you once again dont give a flying f**k about your players! GG!
*SLOW CLAP*

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Stop pulling the victim card in the forums. It's not garnering you any sympathy when you go full blown drama mode. It's not up to SE to make you a happy person in life.

You not instantly getting what you want doesn't mean the dev team doesn't care. They do care. They've shown it time and time again. But they can't address all player concerns instantly. Things take time and resources to develop and implement.

I hope you're back in a real home sooner than you're expecting and that your treatment goes well but do yourself a favor. Stop getting upset over this game. Raging over a game when you've got more serious real life issues to deal with is additional stress that's going to make it harder for you to recover. Walk away from the game if you can't control yourself.

Not saying names but I know a few FCs that own multiple homes I’m talking like the 1/2 fcs like not actual FCs.

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Originally Posted by ERMITANYO

@sesera (and other house hunters), if there are multiple available houses in your server, why not just stay at one plot for 15 to 30 mins then warp to another and then back again where you 1st started to cover more ground. Anyways, its a random timer and you also have to consider those who are relocating. You can use aetherite tickets so you don't have to pay the warping fee.

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That is usually what I do except staying 30 minutes so I'll give it a try thank you for the tip :)

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Originally Posted by Satty

if it makes you feel any better, my real house got hit by a tornado the day after my first chemo, while I was house hunting in game.
NOW I LIVE IN A HOTEL FOR THE NEXT 6 MONTHS WHILE USING SNAIL HOTEL INTERNET, BEING SICK, AND NOT EVEN THE COMFORT OF OWNING A GAME HOME.
way to suck SE!
Thanks for showing you once again dont give a flying f**k about your players! GG!
*SLOW CLAP*

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That sucks and I hope your IRL stuff gets sorted. Here's a possible solution for your in game housing problem. It looks like you're on Crystal datacenter, there were hundreds of available houses on Goblin & Brynhildr when I was on my alt. I eventually moved that toon before the free server transfers ended, but I believe Goblin still has plenty. There were mediums back then as well, even in Shirogane. You can check the housing situation on the other centers through world visit system. You don't have to click spam placards, and you can still go back and play on Mateus as wanderer while having a house in game.

This is not how housing should work.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...181255_188.png

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Originally Posted by shaiel

OP, I think your best chance of getting a house right now without click spamming placards is by moving to another datacenter. Aether and Primal have consistently been full and low on housing compared to Crystal. I have a toon on Gilgamesh & on Famfrit and I check housing as I log on, even Famfrit which is a preferred world has had 1-3 vacancies only and they do get camped. I only got a house because the person camping with me quit and went to sleep. The housing system really is a mess. The RNG with placards, the relocation sales so you can get specific plots, and the system for FC housing where people just buy multiple FCs all have to be addressed. Solutions other than instanced housing would be:
1. Improve already existing apartment system - include a balcony for garden plots and it's basically the same functionality as a small house
2. Disable relocation or change the way relocation works so people don't use it for malicious purposes to reset timers or for "sale" on Reddit / discord / outside of the game
3. Limit FC housing ownership to 1 per account like personal housing. Take away houses from people who are using loopholes to acquire 2 or more houses.

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Originally Posted by timmeh1333

This is not how housing should work.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...181255_188.png

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Yeah, I remember in Gilgamesh 30 people would camp one spot then somebody decides to just relocate and people had to go find the new house plot. I made friends with campers before I left the server, and only 1 out of the many people I met got lucky enough with the RNG. It's so many people wanting houses on Aether and Primal.

Anyone know the exact demo date for housing? Seems available plots have dried up but there should be a lot going demo when that date hits. I believe I read the 7th but am not sure.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Anyone know the exact demo date for housing? Seems available plots have dried up but there should be a lot going demo when that date hits. I believe I read the 7th but am not sure.

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Thinks it's the 6th that we'll see the demos happen but a lot of those plots won't be available for new purchase until the 7th because of the timer. But certainly by the 7th.

June 4th, 2019 Jenova Server

Only one housing plot available, a small in the goblet.

I don't know why the developers are more concerned about creating "desolate" areas, by adding more housing wards. They should be more concerned with a "normal" population server, still a month out from release of 5.0, that only has one housing plot available.

Problem is, people stop complaining about the horrible system, the moment they get lucky and get a plot. I'll probably do the same. But the problem remains.

Great housing system you have here.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...183614_644.png

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Originally Posted by timmeh1333

June 4th, 2019 Jenova Server

Only one housing plot available, a small in the goblet.

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Tomorrow (6th) or the next day (7th) there will be a ton of houses opening up. Will it be enough no but it will certainly be the start of demolition of unused homes on a regular basis. SE would do the community a favor if it stopped the needless stopping of the timer to satify the perceived needs of a few suffering from natural disasters while hurting the community at large. The past stoppage was above and beyond anything reasonable in my opinion and has hurt those looking for housing big time.

June 8th, 2019 Jenova server

0 shirogane, 18 in goblet, 1 in mist, 2 in lavbeds, all smalls ...

I just wanted to say that, I finally got a small property for my FC after complaining about it for months. It remains that I have the resources to afford, and would prefer, to have a medium plot, but for now I'll take the small (not much choice).

The fact remains that the housing system is still very new-player-unfriendly, and it is next to impossible to get a plot under normal circumstances. Once these plots fill up (which I'm sure they will within the next week or so), we'll be back to where we were, with bots clicking placards, desperately hoping for a house.

However, now that I am in the housing market, I have no reason to complain about the horrible system, so this will be my last post. Thanks all, I hope this helps players in the long run (though I doubt it will change anything).

Take care, happy gaming.

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Originally Posted by timmeh1333

However, now that I am in the housing market, I have no reason to complain about the horrible system, so this will be my last post.

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Do you mean to say that you will no longer complain about this at all? Or that you will no longer post in this thread?

I'm asking because if your reasoning is "well I got my house now, the problem is over" then you're contributing to the problem. SE aren't going to change the system, that you yourself said is horrible, if there aren't enough voices demanding it.

Do what you want of course, you don't have to keep posting about housing. However someone without a house reading your post could feel pretty annoyed about your attitude changing from pushing for change to becoming passive when you finally benefited in a broken system. Sure you're far from the first person to have this mindset, but most appear to have the sense to not publicly confess it.

And my apologies if I misunderstood your post if the above does not apply to you at all.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I'm asking because if your reasoning is "well I got my house now, the problem is over" then you're contributing to the problem. SE aren't going to change the system, that you yourself said is horrible, if there aren't enough voices demanding it.

And my apologies if I misunderstood your post if the above does not apply to you at all.

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That's kinda how I understood their post as well. I've been lucky enough to be able to snag up a small plot for myself, but just because I got lucky with the current system doesn't mean the system is good.

I think if they would allow people to upgrade the size of their apartment/FC room, it would alleviate a lot of the anger people have over housing. My biggest beef is that the apartments are so gosh darn tiny that they aren't super fun to decorate. A small house gives just enough room to satisfy my decoration itch.

I'm not saying allow apartments to be like MANSION sized, but allowing players to upgrade the apartments to maybe medium sized would probably make a lot of people pretty happy. Sure, there would still be no yard to garden in/decorate, but it would be a step in a better direction while also not stepping on the toes of people who own an actual house.

I hope SE looks into the housing aspect of the game once Shadow Bringers has settled down.

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Originally Posted by ERMITANYO

Seeing sprouts whether alts or truly new players, strengthens my stand on requesting/lobbying for a form of an improved apartment system, with a bigger floor area possibly as wide as the 1st floor of a large estate (if its really not possible to have progressive upgrade options for apartments), with an instanced balcony that allows gardening. So that new players can have some form of private housing, that is a little on par with that of plotted houses. Untill such time that they have that rare opportunity to own a plotted house.

(If SE stands by their decision to maintain the housing districts as a form of rare commodity.)

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Wasted like 20 hours since demo day. Between getting ousted by people relocating (because the only people that deserve housing are those that already have one apparently) and loosing out on the STUPID click wars, I'm pretty much done fighting this failure of a feature until they get off there arse and do something about it. I wish we had a cumulative total of how much time SE has made us waste.

Too bad you're not on Bryn. We have a lot of smalls open, some mediums. Hell, two of the most desired Mist mediums (right on the beach) opened up the other day. I almost gave up my Shiro mansion for one, but chose not to, hoping SE increasing the item limit on larges.