After Goobbue mount - do we need other mounts than a choco?

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WANT.

All of who complain about these mounts, a perfectly acceptable prize, (that you don't have to collect if you don't want!) would you prefer as a mount to ride the dead horse you keep beating?

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Originally Posted by RolandDebreton

All of who complain about these mounts, a perfectly acceptable prize, (that you don't have to collect if you don't want!) would you prefer as a mount to ride the dead horse you keep beating?

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No man you don't get it, any new feature that's put into FFXIV is bad because WOW and casuals and it's not Final Fantasy and it ruins my immersion.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

No man you don't get it, any new feature that's put into FFXIV is bad because WOW and casuals and it's not Final Fantasy and it ruins my immersion.

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I assume you to be kidding.

However to those who genuinely hold this opinion, I love story and immersion. I am quite a follower of the story of Eorzea. I have even gone through the story of ancient Eorzea and Hydaelyn trying to compile what few tid-bits I could get from the npcs about our world. The traveling minstrel that gives the horn to summon the goobbue gives a meaningful background of how these creatures (that already existed in our world - and have been at times tamed [see Ul'dah's opening CS]) could be summoned in a way that wasn't calling for too much of a suspension of disbelief.

Thus, with the plausibility factor created into the story by the game designers (the ones who create the world we get immersed in) we have no excuse but to accept the goobbue. Any reasoning about immersion is fallicious, and has more to do with your personal opinions that you simply think they are ugly mobs, and aesthetics is deeply subjective and no basis for an inclusion argument.

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Originally Posted by RolandDebreton

I assume you to be kidding.

However to those who genuinely hold this opinion, I love story and immersion. I am quite a follower of the story of Eorzea. I have even gone through the story of ancient Eorzea and Hydaelyn trying to compile what few tid-bits I could get from the npcs about our world. The traveling minstrel that gives the horn to summon the goobbue gives a meaningful background of how these creatures (that already existed in our world - and have been at times tamed [see Ul'dah's opening CS]) could be summoned in a way that wasn't calling for too much of a suspension of disbelief.

Thus, with the plausibility factor created into the story by the game designers (the ones who create the world we get immersed in) we have no excuse but to accept the goobbue. Any reasoning about immersion is fallicious, and has more to do with your personal opinions that you simply think they are ugly mobs, and aesthetics is deeply subjective and no basis for an inclusion argument.

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Whoa... that was very logical...

I'm fine with my "Armored Chocobo" ^.^

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Originally Posted by RolandDebreton

I assume you to be kidding.

However to those who genuinely hold this opinion, I love story and immersion. I am quite a follower of the story of Eorzea. I have even gone through the story of ancient Eorzea and Hydaelyn trying to compile what few tid-bits I could get from the npcs about our world. The traveling minstrel that gives the horn to summon the goobbue gives a meaningful background of how these creatures (that already existed in our world - and have been at times tamed [see Ul'dah's opening CS]) could be summoned in a way that wasn't calling for too much of a suspension of disbelief.

Thus, with the plausibility factor created into the story by the game designers (the ones who create the world we get immersed in) we have no excuse but to accept the goobbue. Any reasoning about immersion is fallicious, and has more to do with your personal opinions that you simply think they are ugly mobs, and aesthetics is deeply subjective and no basis for an inclusion argument.

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Yes, it's a joke, because those frequently come up as buzzwords for people who just want to poopoo ideas without reason and from people who can't articulate themselves the way you do.

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Originally Posted by MysteriousRonin

It seems to me that Choco are the main mounts since they are getting armor and are going to fight in 2.0, and Gobbue and other types of mounts are side mounts that add a little variety, so when you feel like riding something exotic you can ride something else.

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This. I'm perfectly ok with gobbues and any other mounts they might come up with if the chocobos are established as the main, "better" ones. In the sense that they can be, let's say, upgraded, or get complements like different armors or some other things to do with them in the future, while the other mounts don't.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

The other option is to have these other teams twiddle their thumbs and not do anything, you clod. You know absolutely nothing about the organizational and managerial challenges of a development team (and probably of ANY workplace). You're applying your own stupid definition and ideas of who can work on what and when. People have spent their entire careers studying, perfecting, and writing books about this s**t, and what you're talking about is ridiculous.

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Explain what portion of either of my posts deserves treatment of this kind? I certainly havent said anything offensive to you at all Wolfie, I merely dissagree with your point of view, as you do mine. Believe it or not, there is in fact a way to discuss things you dont agree with without coming off like an asshole, but clearly while you were busy learning about game development and micromanaging small teams as part of a larger project, you didnt have any time to learn how to be a decent person to others instead of a raging assclown.

Since you know so much about this particular topic though, might I ask what particular degree you hold in managment or game development? I ask in all seriousness, not as a means of being confrontational. If you have legitimate experience in these fields, I would be more than willing to overlook my suspicion that your merely talking out of your ass as a means of trying to look cool.

Also, you are correct, I know nothing about how SE runs its operations, as I am sure you dont either since neither of us have ever worked for them. However, I am 100% sure that someone wasted a bunch of time making these mounts a reality, and in my OPINION (key word there), they could have put that time to better use doing virtually anything else. (thumb twiddeling included).

More is better. Adding more mounts (and with them more game content) can only add to the feel of it being FF and contribute to game quality. As long as they are pulled from the game world itself in some way. Though I would like to see it being a challenge to obtain the new ones just as it was with the chocobo.

I agree on the button thing. (more mounts more buttons... too much) A "/setmount" command and main menu configuration would fix that.

Yes we need more. I want to ride a Sephiroth.

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Originally Posted by RolandDebreton

(that already existed in our world - and have been at times tamed [see Ul'dah's opening CS]) could be summoned in a way that wasn't calling for too much of a suspension of disbelief.

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Yeah that turned out well for all the people riding it...wait.

Anyways I think people who don't understand us who don't want monster mounts are missing the point we are trying to make. I for one dislike the Goobue mount because it degrades the monster as a powerfull being, I'm sorry but watching 50 of them stomp around like drooling idiots doesn't conjur the same image I got when they had a mage on full watch to control the thing.

Aesthetics is deeply subjective but telling people they can't base their arguments on aesthetics is being assanine as it's just as good a reason to not want something as anything else. The mountable monsters serve no purpose aside from bothersome eyesores to me at least. Do I demand SE never include them? No it's up to them but if your going to ask me I'd rather not have every tom-dick and harry riding a monster with rows of razor like teeth just because they had a short chat with a traveling Bard.

But I digress, people who love riding anything everything will instead of forming a logical debate downsize me as a idiot who doesn't want anything added to the game for that's the basis of almost any argument on these forums if you are displeased or don't agree with something being added to the game.

If the mounts had some purpose aside from the exact same thing you Chocobo did it would be a different story, but even in that case I'd rather raise chocobos to do specific tasks or cross treacharous terrain instead of copping out and just having a bad full of situational mounts.

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Just because there are some taimed versions of something does not diminish the ferocity of a version of the same creature met in the wilds.

As to your belief that, "people who love riding anything everything will instead of forming a logical debate downsize me as a idiot who doesn't want anything added to the game for that's the basis of almost any argument on these forums if you are displeased or don't agree with something being added to the game." I felt that I did quite a good job at demonstrating the logic of including these creatures on the basis of storyline.

Your own words indicate that your rationale is purely one of aesthetics, its ugly to you and it doesn't fit your perfect model of how things ought to be. That doesn't mean that anyone is treating you as a substandard person or creating a minimization your opinion; but realize that it is just that, opinion.

Having said that can you not understand that there will be things in your world (real and game) that you just will not like, and that don't and won't make sense to you? But they fit here, they belong.

At the end of the day it is a tool by developers to toss a bone to players who play through this very unique and difficult time, and that by their own admission this will be a one time opportunity. It is not going to dissolve into some childish slippery slope argument world where everyone will be riding Nymea or Bahamut. Instead they have created purposefully useless (non game changing) but believable mounts that will as Yoshida said, "Give visual difference to someone who played the game before 2.0."

SE will add whatever mounts they want to.
They had multiple ideas for mounts in one of the live letters from the producer that were shown so I would think they intend on adding more than just the Goobbue.
Does that bother me? Not really....I like my Goobbue mainly because it gives me something different to ride when I get bored of my Chocobo.
I wouldn't be butt hurt if/when they add more...But I wouldn't care if they never added any other type of mounts outside of colored Chocobos....Do what.

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Originally Posted by RolandDebreton

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Can we have people be mauled by their mounts if we are going to get into this silly debate.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

I know its a bit late for this topic..

but after the goobbue mount being within the game since a month or so, im mostly using my chocobo again.

im asking myself does it destroy the typical FF feeling if everyone rides on an other mount - which are regular monsters? i mean is it like "catch them all" like in pokemon? first fight them, then ride them? O_o on a goobbue, on a dragon, on a flying eye (what i think reminds me a bit of pokemon if i imagine a picture of that situation)...

well i would just be happy with a chocobo.. i think a machine would be also ok, many ffs have been a bit steam punk like. but riding on a flying eye is a little ridiciulous, especially if you have people riding many different monsters side by side.


i loved the goobbue in ff11 because it seemed to me like a "special" monster. now its degraded to be a mount to ride on by hundreds of players. X.X :-( it just destroys the atmosphere of these monsters.

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Not. :)

I still enjoy my Goobbue and use it for long travel while my Chocobo is for short travels (after all, it is small since I am a Lalafell and I don't want it to tire since it looks like it is running at full speed -- while the Goobbue looks like it has a lot more stamina and doesn't look like he is giving its all while running).

So, yes, I support the idea of getting more mounts. Of course, the Magitek mount may end up being my favourite if it looks like the ones in FFVI (FFVI ftw!).

Also, I don't think the Goobbue will feel less special in a year since it will become rarer with 2.0. You have to see the big picture and long term. If the future mounts are much tougher to get than the chocobo, then the Chocobo will remain the primary mount we will see players with (because it will be easier to get and because some people will simply prefer the Chocobo), so no problem here with seeing the Chocobo lose in popularity.

In addition to that, many mounts will be vanity items, while the chocobo will be able to fight and get equipment. That means, the Chocobo will remain to "main" mount. I do hope, however, that some other mounts like the Magitek armor will be able to fight and get equipment too, especially if it is earned from a tough fight.

The future for the Chocobo is promising, no need to worry.

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Originally Posted by RolandDebreton

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Just because there are some taimed versions of something does not diminish the ferocity of a version of the same creature met in the wilds.

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You are crazy... Tame wild animal is still wild animal.
A chimpanzee, a more intelligible animal than the ones you posted, attack owners ALL THE TIME. Now, I can bring up Roy as well... Though I think my point stands.
As Jyxn said, it took a dedicated mage to "tame" it.

To quote you, "instead of forming a logical debate downsize me as a idiot."

And again, of my logical evidententiary rebuttle, you say I promote a, "silly debate."

I've made my points, and made them well. Good luck being dismissive, short and hubristic, instead of rebutting those you disagree with.

I understand where he is coming from, but alot of his points are based on pure speculation much like my own is.

We have 0 facts about how mounts will work out in the future, Yoshida has never told us that they wont keep releasing new types of mounts after 2.0 hell if they could put 2 and 2 together they could make a pretty penny off selling these cosmetic mounts.

I pray the devs don't fall down a slippery slope but I've seen many other developers do it even the most "Integral ones" eventually look at that money well.
Hell I'd be all for that, would be funny to see how quick some people would cry wolf if they charged for something cosmetic like Goobue mounts.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

You would have to ride em so I don't have to see em. Either way, one group will bother the rest.
Cars were part of the world, if cars were part of this world, that would be fine.
The Majiteck armor we are going to get, is fine(not a mob)
Chocobos are like horses(you never see us riding bulls)
As you said, and I said, It's not very final fantasy like. Please don't push your "every other mmo has it though ; ;" on to this MMO. This is an easy way to be different from the rest.

"You know what else "isn't very FF"? MMOs. Oh wait..."
Every FF promotes "Party play"

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How are Goobbues not very Final Fantasy like? They've appeared in two games so far and we ride them in one. What makes Magitek armor, a wind drake, gargant, a shoopuf, a dragon more FF like?

Personally, I am a great Chocobo enthusiast and breed/raced them a lot in FFXI so I will always be happy with just my Chocobo.

But other people love different mounts! Who knows, maybe one day we will have areas accessible only by certain mounts... or a Gold Chocobo... which I will breed out even if I have to inbreed every bird in Eorzea! http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/031027.jpg

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Originally Posted by RolandDebreton

I assume you to be kidding.

However to those who genuinely hold this opinion, I love story and immersion. I am quite a follower of the story of Eorzea. I have even gone through the story of ancient Eorzea and Hydaelyn trying to compile what few tid-bits I could get from the npcs about our world. The traveling minstrel that gives the horn to summon the goobbue gives a meaningful background of how these creatures (that already existed in our world - and have been at times tamed [see Ul'dah's opening CS]) could be summoned in a way that wasn't calling for too much of a suspension of disbelief.

Thus, with the plausibility factor created into the story by the game designers (the ones who create the world we get immersed in) we have no excuse but to accept the goobbue. Any reasoning about immersion is fallicious, and has more to do with your personal opinions that you simply think they are ugly mobs, and aesthetics is deeply subjective and no basis for an inclusion argument.

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I like you, you need to post more that made to much sense. Also Wolfie i thought you was quitting and never coming back to this game :)?

Having many mounts doesnt destroy anything, I hope that they will give us millions of mounts just because more is always better.

No I didnt play WoW.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Explain what portion of either of my posts deserves treatment of this kind? I certainly havent said anything offensive to you at all Wolfie, I merely dissagree with your point of view, as you do mine. Believe it or not, there is in fact a way to discuss things you dont agree with without coming off like an asshole, but clearly while you were busy learning about game development and micromanaging small teams as part of a larger project, you didnt have any time to learn how to be a decent person to others instead of a raging assclown.

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I have nights that are worse than others, and I apologize for the insults. However, when people talk about things that they don't know anything about with false authority, it's a huge pet peeve of mine.

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Since you know so much about this particular topic though, might I ask what particular degree you hold in managment or game development? I ask in all seriousness, not as a means of being confrontational. If you have legitimate experience in these fields, I would be more than willing to overlook my suspicion that your merely talking out of your ass as a means of trying to look cool.

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I have a degree in comp. sci. and several years under my belt as a developer and manager. I'm currently working as a developer and manager. Granted, it's not for an actual game development firm, but the projects that I do oversee and develop are about as large as flagship titles (and MMOs in particular because of the product's long life span, post-release support, maintenance, etc.).

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Also, you are correct, I know nothing about how SE runs its operations, as I am sure you dont either since neither of us have ever worked for them. However, I am 100% sure that someone wasted a bunch of time making these mounts a reality, and in my OPINION (key word there), they could have put that time to better use doing virtually anything else. (thumb twiddeling included).

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But you don't realize that your uneducated opinions are dangerous, because SE does read these forums, and they do sometimes make mistakes that they wouldn't have otherwise made because vocal, uneducated people keep running their mouths without thinking first. Look at the s**tfest that's server migrations right now.

I also can't take you seriously when you come out and basically say "yeah it's just my opinion and I don't know what I'm talking about, but HERE IT IS." Do you seriously not care that what you're saying is stupid, or at best, just plain wrong?

I love mounts.

Give me chocobo breeding, and I'm set.

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

How are Goobbues not very Final Fantasy like? They've appeared in two games so far and we ride them in one. What makes Magitek armor, a wind drake, gargant, a shoopuf, a dragon more FF like?

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Think of it this way:

Breeding different breeds (colors) of chocobos to do different things is a lot more FF like than 1,000,000 mounts that does the same thing. They can do a lot more with the chocobo system than cave in to the people who wants a ton of mounts for the sake of it. Funny enough, people want something like "mount only accessible areas"...wasn't that exactly why you bred different chocobos in FFVII and IX...yet people are against that but rather have different mounts that does that.

It kind of proves a point people are more looking at this as a MMO they want to be exactly like every other MMO you've played the past decade, rather than a FF game that happens to be an MMO.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

It kind of proves a point people are more looking at this as a MMO they want to be exactly like every other MMO you've played the past decade, rather than a FF game that happens to be an MMO.

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I like it when people say this with a straight face, because we're all playing a game that's 14 clones deep, not including the dozens of spinoffs and remakes.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

I like it when people say this with a straight face, because we're all playing a game that's 14 clones deep, not including the dozens of spinoffs and remakes.

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That we are, I'm definitely off to kill Kefka for the 14th time and I just got finished beating Cloud of Darkness to a pulp with my LS...oh wait.

So I'm waiting to see where Ultimecia's castle is located in Eorzea atm.

A unicorn mount!

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Originally Posted by Elexia

That we are, I'm definitely off to kill Kefka for the 14th time and I just got finished beating Cloud of Darkness to a pulp with my LS...oh wait.

So I'm waiting to see where Ultimecia's castle is located in Eorzea atm.

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Heh. So if that's your definition of what isn't a clone, then by that logic, Aion, RIFT, Warhammer Online, and all the other "WOW clones" aren't WOW clones either.

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My name 'Nique' is a banned word in FFXIV o.o;;;

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That word is the "act of making" in French, that's why it's banned. Btw.

Didn't read thread, but in response to OP.

I barely see anyone use Goobue over chocobo, so I don't think it matters how many mounts they add. People love the chocos!

it's a new ff with new ideas and we wanted the goober so they gave it to us! i like the multiple mounts and i prefer the goober to the choco because of how awkward the choco looks as it runs-it totally needs a longer stride or something; they don't look like powerful birds and instead just look like they're stuck in fast-forward.

goober is definitely a pretty out there mount but once again i think it's only because we asked for it and they have to satisfy us up until 2.0 and it will be interesting to see if they decide to add anymore (just really hope there are NO flying mounts because it totally breaks the immersion!!!). lederp.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Think of it this way:

Breeding different breeds (colors) of chocobos to do different things is a lot more FF like than 1,000,000 mounts that does the same thing. They can do a lot more with the chocobo system than cave in to the people who wants a ton of mounts for the sake of it. Funny enough, people want something like "mount only accessible areas"...wasn't that exactly why you bred different chocobos in FFVII and IX...yet people are against that but rather have different mounts that does that.

It kind of proves a point people are more looking at this as a MMO they want to be exactly like every other MMO you've played the past decade, rather than a FF game that happens to be an MMO.

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It's funny you mention "Mount only accessible areas", something that the mounts I mentioned fulfilled. X lacked chocobos that allowed us to cross rivers, so we used a shoopuf. V used a variation of this with Boco, black chocobos, and a wind drake. Stop acting like chocobos have been the only transportation we've ever used. Each game has it's methods of transportation that fit into the world that takes place, some of which performed the exact same function, others used only for specific locations.

You talk of breeding and forget that it was only an option in 2 games thus far (VII and XI). FF "tradition" isn't as strict as you'd like it to be so deal with it.

I can't believe that people who are for the mounts are still trying to say "It makes sense in the world guys"

Just admit it, the lore was shoehorned in to appease people, it doesn't "Make sense" it is what it is. You can like them all you want just don't try and pull that on me because we all know the Lore they added was total BS just to give it some slight reason to even exist.

This sh*t is still going on? Wow.

Different types of mounts are good imo. Not everyone will be the same, and not many use them anymore. I still use my goobbue because I love the music, and the viewpoint is awesome. Choices are great.

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

It's funny you mention "Mount only accessible areas", something that the mounts I mentioned fulfilled. X lacked chocobos that allowed us to cross rivers, so we used a shoopuf. V used a variation of this with Boco, black chocobos, and a wind drake. Stop acting like chocobos have been the only transportation we've ever used. Each game has it's methods of transportation that fit into the world that takes place, some of which performed the exact same function, others used only for specific locations.

You talk of breeding and forget that it was only an option in 2 games thus far (VII and XI). FF "tradition" isn't as strict as you'd like it to be so deal with it.

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I didn't forget anything. VII, IX and XI all had breeding in a way. FFIX's was "bred" by treasure hunting and Hot&Cold. Also, no one said chocobos were the only form of transportation ever, it was a point that considering YOSHIDA HIMSELF wants a "My chocobo system"...how does it not make sense to do an approach they've done with FF before?

It's not that people think FF is strict, it's more people seem to feel they shouldn't do something they've done before in the series just because it's an MMO.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I can't believe that people who are for the mounts are still trying to say "It makes sense in the world guys"

Just admit it, the lore was shoehorned in to appease people, it doesn't "Make sense" it is what it is. You can like them all you want just don't try and pull that on me because we all know the Lore they added was total BS just to give it some slight reason to even exist.

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It's "impossible" and it was "shoehorned" because it doesn't fall in line with what YOU envisioned and decided that the game's lore should be.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

It's "impossible" and it was "shoehorned" because it doesn't fall in line with what YOU envisioned and decided that the game's lore should be.

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Oh please, the lore was allready well established on how "Tamed" monsters are. Like I said don't try and pull that over on people because you know as well as I do that the "Lore" they threw at us was out of left field at contradicts the games established lore on how one binds a savage beast. (Note it didn't end well for Uldah) Unless everyone has a Thaumaturg stuck in their pockets 24/7...

I don't care if you think a thousand mounts is awesome or not, just stop trying to justify it's place in the game in a lore way. It's a extra thing that exists for the reason of existing it makes no sense so stop trying to justify it in such a way. Just admit you want the mounts because you think they are cool to have not because you think the lore allows you to justify it.