Gender Locks Have Revealed the Worst in Players.

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Originally Posted by KKat666

I have seen little to no postive feed back except by trolls or ppl who just dont care one way or the other

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This reads a lot like if someone doesn't mind the gender lock, their positive opinion doesn't really count for much. I'm not sure if that is your intent or not. :X People have every right to be disappointed by this, just as people have the right to not be bothered by it. No need to group them in with the trolls though.

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Originally Posted by Elyssia

And why it is like 90% about Male Viera. I almost dont see people complaining about the Female Ronsos ?

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I have to agree, nobody seems to care about Female Ronso at all. You go to the forums, you go to reddit, its literally all about Male Viera.

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Originally Posted by Wynn_Storm

I have to agree, nobody seems to care about Female Ronso at all. You go to the forums, you go to reddit, its literally all about Male Viera.

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Because the male Viera crowd are crying the loudest.

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Originally Posted by Elyssia

I honestly hope they wont add female Ronso and Male Viera, there is no reason for it. They made a choice, and i'm pretty sure they will stick to it. Way more people are fine with their choice than the people complaining here. Yes we pay for the game, but that doesnt give us the right to make a choice for the developpers. They do actually listen a lot the player base, they gave us 2 races that was asked for, when they stated Au Ra should be the only race added. Yes it is gender locked, but i can see nowhere they ever told we will get male Viera.

Calling SE homophobic is a total disrepect. And why it is like 90% about Male Viera. I almost dont see people complaining about the Female Ronsos ?

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The folk calling SE homophobic are using it as a bully tactic to get their own way. I really don't see how a company that made roes ( for men who love the beefy boi aesthetic) and hrothgar could be accused of homophobia, its simply ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Elyssia

I honestly hope they wont add female Ronso and Male Viera, there is no reason for it. They made a choice, and i'm pretty sure they will stick to it. Way more people are fine with their choice than the people complaining here. Yes we pay for the game, but that doesnt give us the right to make a choice for the developpers. They do actually listen a lot the player base, they gave us 2 races that was asked for, when they stated Au Ra should be the only race added. Yes it is gender locked, but i can see nowhere they ever told we will get male Viera.

Calling SE homophobic is a total disrepect. And why it is like 90% about Male Viera. I almost dont see people complaining about the Female Ronsos ?

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Then it's more reason to implement them in the game since it's being crave for. I would like to play female Ronso though since I do fancy beast races. Developers do make their decisions, but if they see more profit coming out of it then Miqo'te got competition. Overall I do hope they do it though because in return are positive praises which is good for a company. If they don't do it then it will probably be talk about on the forums for some time until it dies down, but players will always wonder why is this the only race out the others are gender locked yet they can play all classes like the other races that has both genders.

They might as well remove both races if this continues. Hardly anyone cares about the furry roe female or male. The viera were asked for far more and look like the took more then a few min to think up unlike the reskin male roe in the thunder cat race. I dont want any new race if this is how they are going to do it. Whats next you cant do this thing or that thing if you are'nt a certain race. It will go down hill fast if its allowed and the game will suffer as a whole for it. Im sticking with my non lore compliant cat boy thx. Rest of game looks great btw good job on that though.

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Originally Posted by Wynn_Storm

I have to agree, nobody seems to care about Female Ronso at all. You go to the forums, you go to reddit, its literally all about Male Viera.

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That's because the people shouting "homophobia" and "sexism" and "we want equality" are being dishonest about why they are upset. They aren't upset about "gender equality". They don't care about the awesome Viera lore where badass women tend to their own affairs. They don't want to play big badass Ronso ladies, they don't play Femroes, they play catgirls and catboys. They want more catboy-flavored glamour options because for whatever reason they've tied their identity into solely effeminate boys and god forbid other options exist for anyone else.

They're upset that the Ronso are big and muscular. Viera men would have been tough, lean, muscular--not catboys. They would have complained about that kind of Viera.

If they want the complaints to stop they need to announce that they’re working on it or are working on it. Until then people won’t stop about it until the expansion launches and that’s what floods the forums. That and whatever gets bugged this time, looking at you Raubhan extreme.

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Originally Posted by KKat666

They might as well remove both races if this continues. Hardly anyone cares about the furry roe female or male. The viera were asked for far more and look like the took more then a few min to think up unlike the reskin male roe in the thunder cat race. I dont want any new race if this is how they are going to do it. Whats next you cant do this thing or that thing if you are'nt a certain race. It will go down hill fast if its allowed and the game will suffer as a whole for it. Im sticking with my non lore compliant cat boy thx. Rest of game looks great btw good job on that though.

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I'm not a furry, i'm just a woman not even " lgbt " or anything, but i'm actually very interested into male Ronsos. Saying anyone care about Ronso is absolutely wrong, you're just stating your opinion as an absolut thing. If i had to choose between one of this 2 races, i would go for Ronso only.

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

If they want the complaints to stop they need to announce that they’re working on it or are working on it. Until then people won’t stop about it until the expansion launches and that’s what floods the forums. That and whatever gets bugged this time, looking at you Raubhan extreme.

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The complaints will be over in two weeks. This is a temper tantrum, not a gay activist movement.

Im fine with the ronso if its what ppl want but why not both genders. If they had done no viera this time and male and female ronso cool go them for doing the non "human" race. Its the why only one gender or the other that is sad. Variety is a good thing. Even "lore" bends in manys cases why not this.

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Originally Posted by KKat666

Im fine with the ronso if its what ppl want but why not both genders. If they had done no viera this time and male and female ronso cool go them for doing the non "human" race. Its the why only one gender or the other that is sad. Variety is a good thing. Even "lore" bends in manys cases why not this.

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Because it was maybe easier for them ? As said more than once, Au ra should have been the only race added in the game without any others. They did choose to listen to the community and add the 2 races that people asked, Viera and Ronso. Maybe it was easier for them to add what was already existing ? Female Viera, they dont have to fully work on creating Male Viera ? And they did add Male Ronso as the other gender, which wasas also already existing and made it easier to implement in this game ?

I do think it would have been an harder work to create fully Male Viera.

And if instead they did implement no Viera but Male and Female Ronso, people would have still cry about no Viera at all. People will never be satisfied.

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Originally Posted by Delicious-Flat-Chest

The complaints will be over in two weeks. This is a temper tantrum, not a gay activist movement.

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I don’t know. I’ve been on these forums for a while and I’ve seen how they linger on things and keep bringing it up. If you think the complaints will end that quickly I think you’re sorely mistaken. I *do* think they will taper off eventually, but we shall see.

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Originally Posted by Poisonous

That's because the people shouting "homophobia" and "sexism" and "we want equality" are being dishonest about why they are upset. They aren't upset about "gender equality". They don't care about the awesome Viera lore where badass women tend to their own affairs. They don't want to play big badass Ronso ladies, they don't play Femroes, they play catgirls and catboys. They want more catboy-flavored glamour options because for whatever reason they've tied their identity into solely effeminate boys and god forbid other options exist for anyone else.

They're upset that the Ronso are big and muscular. Viera men would have been tough, lean, muscular--not catboys. They would have complained about that kind of Viera.

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catboys aren't tough lean and muscular? what?

I have a couple of Femroe alts that I very much enjoy. I don't main them because my mains typically are closer to my own body type, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the diversity and polish they add to the game's world.
I enjoy seeing the players who do feel represented by these races and playing along side them! I enjoy the stories the NPCS of these types (#MoenbrydaGotRobbed)
At least one of my friends was really looking forward to being a male viera dancer, and while i'm neutral to happy we got another ranged physical dps since mch, I'm absolutely crushed for him because he was teased with the opportunity to create a character that could better represent him in game for the past two fanfests only to get a swift "lol jk you weirdo bunnymanlover, put on some pants" during the last one (nearly a month after preorder items were delivered, don't miss out kids, SE won't do you wrong we promise!)
I have the capacity to care about the game and its world outside of the very narrow bubble of my main, and I really don't understand how so many people can go "lol doesn't affect me, this is great!"

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Originally Posted by Elyssia

Because it was maybe easier for them ? As said more than once, Au ra should have been the only race added in the game without any others. They did choose to listen to the community and add the 2 races that people asked, Viera and Ronso. Maybe it was easier for them to add what was already existing ? Female Viera, they dont have to fully work on creating Male Viera ? And they did add Male Ronso as the other gender, which wasas also already existing and made it easier to implement in this game ?

I do think it would have been an harder work to create fully Male Viera.

And if instead they did implement no Viera but Male and Female Ronso, people would have still cry about no Viera at all. People will never be satisfied.

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I order a chicken dinner from my local restaurant.
The waiter asks me what seasoning I want.
I say whatever is fine.
The waiter brings me two half-cooked chicken breasts with different seasonings on them.
Sure, it's technically double the concept of what I wanted, but neither of them are finished and would honestly make me sick if I consumed them. And in the end I really wanted one finished dinner.

That's this genderlocking BS in a nutshell for me.
No Viera this expansion? Oh well we got an awesome beastly race! There's always next expansion for that elusive, long-awaited race.
No Ronso this expansion? Oh well the Viera crowd finally got their bunny elves! Maybe they need more time to polish the helm tech for a more bestial race. There's always 6.0!

It's the different between mild disappointment that Today Was Not The Day, and "What are you trying to say with this SE? I thought we were past this!"

Honestly, the vitriol the gender locks (which are confirmed, announced, and inevitable at this point) have brought about has only made me want them to remain just to spite the people that are hysterical over them.

And yes, I used hysterical. This is not the end of the game, the design, or even most of these peoples' subs (though they threaten to be leaving.) This is hysteria, a riot, much ado about nothing.

If you are one of the people unsubbing over something so bloody MINOR as this then yep, good riddance to bad rubbish, we don't need you, and we don't want you around. Buh bye, don't let the door hit ya on the way out we'll be just fine without you. This has honestly been the best entertainment I've had in a while laughing at people blowing this so far out of proportion its beyond hilarious. So cya on launch day.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Honestly, the vitriol the gender locks (which are confirmed, announced, and inevitable at this point) have brought about has only made me want them to remain just to spite the people that are hysterical over them.

And yes, I used hysterical. This is not the end of the game, the design, or even most of these peoples' subs (though they threaten to be leaving.) This is hysteria, a riot, much ado about nothing.

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As long as they don’t add gender locked classes like certain other mmo’s do, I don’t really mind. I will say, as I’ve mentioned before, that the gender locked races is not something I would have ever expected. After all the hype and build up from the last two fan fests, they really ended them on a mediocre note.

I also have a friend that was excited to try out the bunny man cause cool something different that they could dress up in nice glam. A favorite of theirs is full plate armour. The idea of a bunny man in a suit was brought up in our conversations about it. Would have been cool. They now belive the fan service gender won out and the typical guys have to be big and buff also won out. The potential was so high for one race with both genders i do agree they didnt need to add. Nice they vaguely listened to players.

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

I don’t know. I’ve been on these forums for a while and I’ve seen how they linger on things and keep bringing it up. If you think the complaints will end that quickly I think you’re sorely mistaken. I *do* think they will taper off eventually, but we shall see.

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The complaints about the world server shuffling died down pretty quickly, and those people had legitimate difficulties.

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

As long as they don’t add gender locked classes like certain other mmo’s do, I don’t really mind. I will say, as I’ve mentioned before, that the gender locked races is not something I would have ever expected. After all the hype and build up from the last two fan fests, they really ended them on a mediocre note.

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But the hype was never build by SE, not about Male Viera. They only talked about Viera, and never showed once a Male Viera or even talked about having them in game. Players just did their own fantasy about it. I never expected to see Male Viera, and i think a lot of people did think like me.

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Originally Posted by Elyssia

But the hype was never build by SE, not about Male Viera. They only talked about Viera, and never showed once a Male Viera or even talked about having them in game. Players just did their own fantasy about it. I never expected to see Male Viera, and i think a lot of people did think like me.

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"As for players wanting to know about the male Viera, we've still got tokyo fanfest ;;;;]]]]]]]]]"

You're right, it DID reveal the worse.

It revealed that there's people like you OP and the people that have agreed with you. It revealed that there's people so insane, so deluded that they're willing to shout "homophobia" and "misandry" when things don't go their way. It revealed there's people that are willing to HARASS these developers because they didn't confirm their own theories. Knowing that so many of you showed your true colors makes me sick.

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Originally Posted by Elyssia

But the hype was never build by SE, not about Male Viera. They only talked about Viera, and never showed once a Male Viera or even talked about having them in game. Players just did their own fantasy about it. I never expected to see Male Viera, and i think a lot of people did think like me.

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More reason for them to be implemented in the game if they're receiving the hype :). I support female Ronso to hope they be brought in too :P

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Originally Posted by Roda

"As for players wanting to know about the male Viera, we've still got tokyo fanfest ;;;;]]]]]]]]]"

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Which didn't exactly say that the male Viera were going to be created...just that they weren't revealing their whole hand at the time that statement was made...so people drawing conclusions from incomplete data is the cause of all this...whatever you want to call it(rioting/anger/hysteria/etc)

For the first time since playing this game for five years, the amount of immaturity going on and players trying to spin something that never even was political as a political social soap opera, it actually made me embarrassed to be part of the community.

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Originally Posted by KKat666

I also have a friend that was excited to try out the bunny man cause cool something different that they could dress up in nice glam. A favorite of theirs is full plate armour. The idea of a bunny man in a suit was brought up in our conversations about it. Would have been cool. They now belive the fan service gender won out and the typical guys have to be big and buff also won out. The potential was so high for one race with both genders i do agree they didnt need to add. Nice they vaguely listened to players.

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Don't see you guys complaining about no female Ronso.

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

As long as they don’t add gender locked classes like certain other mmo’s do, I don’t really mind. I will say, as I’ve mentioned before, that the gender locked races is not something I would have ever expected. After all the hype and build up from the last two fan fests, they really ended them on a mediocre note.

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I don't think its possible in this game's system to gender lock a class. The battle/armory system is rigid, if a weapon fits in the slot then a job/class is good to go and technically the only thing needed. (That and the job stones as classes are meaningless for the future jobs).

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Yes, the players throwing tantrums and acting like it's the end of the world.

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Nailed it in one, /thread, etc.

while i was a little disappointed design wise of the hrothgar, (holding final judgement once i get my hands on the benchmark) i do think the overwhelmingly negative vocal reaction has gone beyond basic criticising, to the point of screaming into the abyss, if we had one thread for this and did what the other forms are we may get acknowledged instead of having about 60 odd threads saying the same thing.

i hold out that by 6.0 male viara and female hrothgar may be a thing or lupin as a playable race, if neither of those happen i am still gonna play the game.

and with the dancer as dps flailing going on, i bet once people have there hands on the job we will see threads saying how much the same people who complained love it. the main flailing is coming from people believing in a leak (which will never be 100% accurate) or believing in there own thoughts of the job, for all we know dancer may have a weak but party wide 'vercure' like spell until we play it we know nothing of how or what dancer will do.

and before any 'white knight' comments or anything of the like, i aint saying not to criticise them, by all means go ahead, but the screaming into abyss approach hasn't gotten us anywhere on this forums, and most likely won't get us anywhere, while a more orderly and less screeching way, might get some attention.

(if this was messy i apologise i have been up for over 48 hours, and can't think straight.)

Someone who disagrees with you is not automatically a "white knight". By the way, insulting and generalizing someone as a white knight (I don't know if people even understand the meaning of the term anymore) is just as bad as telling someone they're whining or throwing a tantrum because of genderlock.

You have your opinion, others have theirs. It just so happens that I and others agree with SE's decision to genderlock Viera. You don't. But me not agreeing with you doesn't make my opinion on the matter invalid.

A hypothetical Male Viera should look like this:

https://theogdenchicago.com/wp-conte...858574_640.jpg

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Originally Posted by lulunami

A hypothetical Male Viera should look like this:

https://theogdenchicago.com/wp-conte...858574_640.jpg

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This is the true reason why we don't have them. You will never see any other race or gender besides them!

yes, removing a feature for no good reason is generally something people raise a stink over

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

yes, removing a feature for no good reason is generally something people raise a stink over

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What got removed exactly? All I see is two new races.

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Originally Posted by ThunderGodThor

What got removed exactly? All I see is two new races.

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If it's not tailored exactly to these people it's wasted resources. No one could ever find value in Hrothgar because they don't.

This is just like when SE released the Ultimate fights during SB. "Waaah nobody gonna do them anyways, most players will never see them waaaaah". Yet' those people have already preordered and will be the firsts to be at the gates for ShB early access. Nothing new.

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Originally Posted by Roda

"As for players wanting to know about the male Viera, we've still got tokyo fanfest ;;;;]]]]]]]]]"

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You mean this?

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As reported earlier, at the FINAL FANTASY XIV Fan Fest, today Naoki Yoshida today revealed the new race, the Viera. But a lot of people were wondering why there were no male Viera represented in the promotional material or trailer.



In a press conference, Yoshida was asked whether this was going to continue to be the case or whether male Viera would be coming with the 5.0 update to the popular MMO. However, he refused to comment on this matter, teasing that this would be revealed at the Tokyo Fan Fest on March 23rd-24th 2019 (he even did a motion zipping his mouth).

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That's a more subtle way of saying "I am obligated to keep my mouth shut by the company and I cannot say anything more."

While a lot of the comments have been nothing but pure hate and vitriol. There's also the part of the community insulting the dev team for being sexist and this should not be happening. Form whatever thoughts you have about why they implemented the new races the way they did in your head, letting your emotions take over and insulting them is the worst possible way you could get them to listen to your feedback. Form it in a way that's civil, respectful and well thought out. You're only shooting yourself in the foot by acting like this, especially if you actually want them to listen and do something about it.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

they feel angry because they go the extra mile to give SE what they want (money) and SE does not reciprocate by giving them what they want

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That's not how this works. SE offers something, you like it, you pay for it. If they've been offering their money for something they did not like, they are foolish.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

they feel angry because they go the extra mile to give SE what they want (money) and SE does not reciprocate by giving them what they want

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well everyone wants money no brainer there. that is why i have no extra retainers and only entry level sub only only by an emote every blue moon cause i know that isn't gonna go anywhere.
and that is the problem we are facing people think spending EXTRA money on mog store and extra everything Makes them Well You got my money now DO WHAT I WANT. no its purely going into someone's pocket aka square and get funnel into other things. the only thing that matters would be the sub pure and simple