Minfilia Warde

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Originally Posted by SamsaraLotusx

Why we need Minfilia 9ne more time? She was dead and in a good way. Things like this is what make a good story in to shit.
What is this fairy tail here? She is not dead she in a different world?

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Copy-pasting from my past posts because I've already written it in two different topics this week.

Minfilia never died.

She was taken - alive, body and soul - by Y'shtola's Flow spell to Hydaelyn in the aetherial sea, where she became first incorporated into Hydaelyn as the "Word of the Mother", then a free emissary who would travel to the First Shard and prevent the Flood of Light from overtaking it.

"Word of the Mother", cutscene 2: After the Antitower, you first see Minfilia as the 'Word of the Mother', and she explains what happened. Because of Hydaelyn's weakness, at the end she struggles to hold her form and seems to shatter and vanish.

Patch 3.4: Urianger pulls his grand scheme to get you and the Warriors of Darkness together, which somehow causes your crystals to channel energy to Hydaelyn and you all get warped to the aetherial sea.

"One Life for One World", cutscene 4: Minfilia appears again and says that because of the extra strength Hydaelyn has gained because of this, She has been able to set Minifilia free to act as Her emissary to the First Shard. (It's implied that she's basically an anti-Ascian at this point - the title of emissary suggests a direct opposite to Elidibus.) To save that world, we are told, it may be necessary for her to remain there forever.

And yet as she departs...

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MINFILIA

'Tis a strange feeling. So many times have I watched you depart, my heart filled with worry, and yet ever did you return to me in triumph.

Someday, when I have found a way to free this star from Her sorrow, I promise you I shall repay the favour.

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We watch her go, afraid that we may never see her again. But someday, she promises, she will return to us in triumph. That's the sort of promise that tends to get upheld in a story.

It doesn't sound at all like a permanent farewell to me.

I knew it wasn't permanent. I'm griping about the writers that continually elevate her to a place of importance when she's not actually doing anything for the story. She's got more power of the "chosen one/main character" than we, the PCs do - but we've actually earned ours. She just gets it because the writers give it to her.

My prediction is that she's going to be received with tears and amazement and gratitude, she'll spend most of her time uttering cryptic nonsense and fluttering about "the mother", she'll get into at least one terrible scrape (because she's innocent and vulnerable) that people get hurt/worse to rescue her from - and in the end she'll either "make another sacrifice" with a martyr-like countenance, or someone (Thancred) will try to sacrifice themselves for her as if it were worth losing a seasoned fighter over a 6 year old we constantly have to spend resources to protect for no good reason.

It especially irks me that Thancred and her mother idolize her out of guilt of their own past actions, of depriving her of her father, unintentionally... she's far from the only one in the game who has lost someone, so can we give it a rest? Especially as she was a grown woman who needed to be carrying herself, not being carried (except when she suddenly magically has Hydaelyn's powers because of course she does.) And even if she's a child now, she should still have the mind of an adult; if this is, instead, alternative past events then why does she get the chance to atone for her past worthlessness when we've seen other people eat what Fate gave them no matter how absolutely unfair it was.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

The return of the "return to walking sands so I can speak to you something I could at linkpearl"-type missions.

Looking foward for it.

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Honestly I wouldn't have minded that nearly as much throughout ARR if there was a damn Aetheryte in Vesper Bay.

I hope we will kill her in the 5.0 + story as a servants of darkness, and the warrior of light will be spitting bile on her about how many stupid things we have done as a servant of her super lazy a55.
Plz Yoshi, we need vengence for that 1.0 MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Hakuro89

Honestly I wouldn't have minded that nearly as much throughout ARR if there was a damn Aetheryte in Vesper Bay.

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This. All the developers needed to do. Don't know why they still won't add an Aetheryte there.


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For myself Minfillia was never annoying to me so I 100% do not understand the intense hate for her but the one thing I do hate is what I agreed on from above. Its just like how we didn't have an aetheryte in Sapphire Avenue(?) in Ul'dah for the longest time until recent years. Not Minfillia'a fault the developers never thought to try sticking an aetheryte in Vesper Bay. Personally, the blame should go to the developers for not using their head on that one and also getting Minfillia out in the field more as one other person said.

*Runs away before the peeps start with the stabbies*

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Originally Posted by Soge01

This. All the developers needed to do. Don't know why they still won't add an Aetheryte there.


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For myself Minfillia was never annoying to me so I 100% do not understand the intense hate for her but the one thing I do hate is what I agreed on from above. Its just like how we didn't have an aetheryte in Sapphire Avenue(?) in Ul'dah for the longest time until recent years. Not Minfillia'a fault the developers never thought to try sticking an aetheryte in Vesper Bay. Personally, the blame should go to the developers for not using their head on that one and also getting Minfillia out in the field more as one other person said.

*Runs away before the peeps start with the stabbies*

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They explained it in the MSQ right before we moved to the Rising Stones in Moar Donuts.
It was because of pressure from the Syndicate in Ul'Dah, and affinity for one nation above the others when we had to remain neutral. They refused to place an Aetheryte there unless the Scions would favor them, or something. I can't remember how they worded it, but they basically wanted the Scions under their thumb.

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Originally Posted by Hakuro89

They explained it in the MSQ right before we moved to the Rising Stones in Moar Donuts.
It was because of pressure from the Syndicate in Ul'Dah, and affinity for one nation above the others when we had to remain neutral. They refused to place an Aetheryte there unless the Scions would favor them, or something. I can't remember how they worded it, but they basically wanted the Scions under their thumb.

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You understand this is a fictional world right? The aetheryte is placed by the will of the developers, not the fictional Syndicate. This was a bad game decision that resulted in many players resenting Minfilia because of it.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

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Well as I still say many times, Minfilia did go out of the waking sand but it was mostly off-screen events. A lot of hate originates from multiple factors such as having to return to the Scion base all the time to discuss things (as you said) while not giving a proper explanation for why it must be done this way through linkpearls, no one see how Minfilia benefits the Scions despite many times it been stated she is the politician of the group that has to deals with political issues Scion's face, negoitations with trade, and forming alliances that if not dealt with will justify corrupt politicans of all City states to attack them in different means (all which Alphanuld does now but been stated less effective at these tasks since he has wated a huge amount of Scion's bugget doing these things), and Minfilia is not a "combat-Master/Expert" while everyone else are badass combat-Masters/Experts.

Alphanuld, compared to Minfilia, has become more liked overtime because players have gotten to not only see him grow from his naive self (the version of him people dislikes) but actually be by his side majority of the time when he does the political things Minfilia use to do off-screen. Not to mention he can fight for himself which has been the biggest plus for certain people since they seem to dislike major characters who are not experts in combat.

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Originally Posted by Edax

You understand this is a fictional world right? The aetheryte is placed by the will of the developers, not the fictional Syndicate. This was a bad game decision that resulted in many players resenting Minfilia because of it.

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XIV has a habit of making stupid choices, knowing we hate them, and then mocking us for it by then making it canon as to why/alluding to it in quests (just like the ******* dramaturge on the Prima Vista who mocks you for hating to do fetch quests.)

Nonetheless, I could have had a free teleport that took me to Minfilia's side wherever she was whenever I had to talk to her and I still would have resented her for being a poorly written, unnecessary character.

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Originally Posted by Edax

You understand this is a fictional world right? The aetheryte is placed by the will of the developers, not the fictional Syndicate. This was a bad game decision that resulted in many players resenting Minfilia because of it.

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I'm not just talking to hear myself talk you know, they did allude to why there is no aetheryte in Vesper Bay in the MSQ when talking about moving out of the Waking Sands. You do understand there are politics in play in this fictional world right? Or are you the type that just skips through every cutscene in the story?

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Originally Posted by Hakuro89

I'm not just talking to hear myself talk you know, they did allude to why there is no aetheryte in Vesper Bay in the MSQ when talking about moving out of the Waking Sands. You do understand there are politics in play in this fictional world right? Or are you the type that just skips through every cutscene in the story?

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Light forbid they fork over the 35,357gil for the Aetheryte that's commercially available at any marketboard to remain neutral.
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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

I knew it wasn't permanent. I'm griping about the writers that continually elevate her to a place of importance when she's not actually doing anything for the story. She's got more power of the "chosen one/main character" than we, the PCs do - but we've actually earned ours. She just gets it because the writers give it to her.

My prediction is that she's going to be received with tears and amazement and gratitude, she'll spend most of her time uttering cryptic nonsense and fluttering about "the mother", she'll get into at least one terrible scrape (because she's innocent and vulnerable) that people get hurt/worse to rescue her from - and in the end she'll either "make another sacrifice" with a martyr-like countenance, or someone (Thancred) will try to sacrifice themselves for her as if it were worth losing a seasoned fighter over a 6 year old we constantly have to spend resources to protect for no good reason.

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Hahahahaha! I love reading all that salt because I... find it extremely accurate. It echoes my own thoughts. I didn't want Minfilia back, even less as a precious creature (again) that we must (more than ever) protect.
I guess I should just give her another chance and see how it goes, but my own bias against her is making it difficult -laughs-

Looking forward to hearing Sawashiro Miyuki's voice in the game again.

Young-looking Minfilia is, so far, the most exciting thing about the expansion for me. I hope they don't just throw her back into her original body too early on.

Her stare freaks me out.

She was boring in 2.0 and they attempted to make her more active in HW but that's about it. I really don't get where people are getting all these Mary Sue type suppositions or understand the seething hatred especially considering the main character is the true Chosen Hero forever and ever which I would expect more complaints about. Every character is a plot device if you boil them down to their purest form anyway but people don't see that when it comes to their personal favorites.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

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That is kind of the reason why hardly anyone complains about the WoL being the biggest Mary Sue in this game. As our character, we expect them to be the very best at everything and as the Chosen one we are expect to be that one person who can resolve anything and never cause a catastriohe so bad people will hate Wol. We don't need a voice, only to act and solve all the world's issues through our might alone.

If our character is weaken then the plot some how place the reason being caused by someone else being "not prepared" or take our place in sacrificing their life for our own mistakes. WoL is not allowed to be seen as weak nor helpless because if that is known to the public then their "Hero/Heroine" will no longer be that ideal being they all picture the WoL to be. The being that can resolve the impossible no matter how impossible things appear.

That in it self is also a burden WoL must carry because everyone that knows WoL or heard tales of WoL see him or her as the impossible that beats the impossible and due to this WoL is often thrown into the impossible and some how manage to get out unharmed. Forget politics and sitting down on the table to talk things out, WoL just need to be sent in and beat the living crap out of everyone who are considered Evil and the story ends with one big happy ending.

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

Her stare freaks me out.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds her face to be somewhat unsettling. And it's not even the glowing eyes, just that stare.

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Originally Posted by Edax

Light forbid they fork over the 35,357gil for the Aetheryte that's commercially available at any marketboard to remain neutral.

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You are comparing the housing feature to the main plot of the game.

Some design choices are made for the immersion and others for gameplay purposes. The lack of an aetheryte to get directly to the Waking Sands is from the first category...
... Which is why they added a boat to travel directly to that place from Limsa Lominsa, in order to fill in the need of a gameplay alternative.

But for some reason people tend to forget that boat exists.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

But for some reason people tend to forget that boat exists.

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With the additional loading times from travelling via Limsa, and especially once you have the travel speed boost, I find it's just as quick (and less fiddly) to warp directly to Horizon and ride there. I timed it once, and only had a few seconds' difference.

You warp to Limsa, warp or run to the ferry terminal, talk to the ticket seller, arrive in Vesper Bay, walk to the Waking Sands.

Or you warp to Horizon, get on your mount of choice, and ride a very direct path straight to the Sands. It seems like less effort. Less steps involved.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

With the additional loading times from travelling via Limsa, and especially once you have the travel speed boost, I find it's just as quick (and less fiddly) to warp directly to Horizon and ride there. I timed it once, and only had a few seconds' difference.

You warp to Limsa, warp or run to the ferry terminal, talk to the ticket seller, arrive in Vesper Bay, walk to the Waking Sands.

Or you warp to Horizon, get on your mount of choice, and ride a very direct path straight to the Sands. It seems like less effort. Less steps involved.

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It depends almost only on your loading time, since most of the difference with a direct Aetheryte would be one loading screen to Limsa, which I admit can take a while on slower devices.

Edit: Another point to consider is that back in ARR, mount speed increase was not a thing until later on, and the player still needed to complete the Praetorium, and get some hunt seals. So the boat was definitly relevant when people were doing the MSQ back in the days. Or even today when you create a new character.

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Originally Posted by Edax

Light forbid they fork over the 35,357gil for the Aetheryte that's commercially available at any marketboard to remain neutral.

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Congratulations, you've successfully blurred the line between the game's story and quality of life additions to player housing that have nothing to do with each other.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

You are comparing the housing feature to the main plot of the game.

Some design choices are made for the immersion and others for gameplay purposes. The lack of an aetheryte to get directly to the Waking Sands is from the first category...
... Which is why they added a boat to travel directly to that place from Limsa Lominsa, in order to fill in the need of a gameplay alternative.

But for some reason people tend to forget that boat exists.

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I think it's because some peoples' hatred for Minfilia, or for her purpose rather, is so strong that it's started to bleed into things in nearby proximity to her that actually have very little if anything to do with her. Almost as if it's because of Minfilia that there's no Aetheryte there.

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Originally Posted by Hakuro89

Congratulations, you've successfully blurred the line between the game's story and quality of life additions to player housing that have nothing to do with each other.

http://i66.tinypic.com/34e2elj.jpg


I think it's because some people's' hatred for Minfilia, or for her purpose rather, is so strong that it's started to bleed into things in nearby proximity to her that actually have very little if anything to do with her. Almost as if it's because of Minfilia that there's no Aetheryte there.

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No, is more simple than that.
Bad level design and inflationary time sinks to fake the increased value of the player experience. Though in this case particularly, backfired spectacularly and many people thanks to all the negatives related to the act of going there learned to "dislike her". `

Sorry, but not even critically acclaimed games are perfect, and some decisions are just nonsensical when they translate from design choices into player's experience. It not only doesn't make sense that port got no aetherite from a world building perspective by now. It is what damaged Minfilia's image the most after some, but this is less objective, not so tight writing.

Honestly i liked her and was never bothered too much for the travel, even if i never used the boat so many talk about. But yeah, in a game where Airships are basically used once or twice, and connectivity is kinda important as the whole game plays like an instance... Yeah, i can see people getting pissed at having to take that trip, specially when Minfilia kinda does cut away the WoL from important actions and events like a lot... Honestly, her calls basically destroys game flow for many.

This "immersion" is not needed. There are many ways to get across the points of the aetherytes being "expensive" or to limit their use. Other ways to get world building right without affecting player's experience.

I wish she had stayed gone. She annoyed me to be honest.

For awhile there, I had started nicknaming her "Princess Peach".

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

Her stare freaks me out.

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Her maniac face shows her true intention of burying us alive with infinite amount of go there and come back quests through the all next expansion.

I think she's basically in a trance and will be for awhile.
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In time, with much help, she may return to us stronger and more capable. For now however, she will need protection, something showcased on the box art. A dark Knight protecting a child is at this point, a staple of the job in the series.

Cecil & Rydia
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Sidurgu Orl, Rielle De Caulignont
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Not a new trend
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We speak now with one Voice. One Will. One Word. Unto thee we bequeath the most precious of gifts: A new linkpearl so we can beckon you to bring us hot cups of tea in the Waking Sands

Beautiful posters @alacran.

All these theories are very interesting. I personally believe she would be 'reincarnate' from the light as a new child person with no prior knowledge of her past but retain her echo or connection to the light. Furthermore, the devs would probably make her the key person in upcoming 'msq', someone that need to be protected from 'whatever' chasing and trying to destroy her. I don't believe she would be quest giver, if anything she would be the quest itself.

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Originally Posted by ksuyen

Beautiful posters @alacran.

All these theories are very interesting. I personally believe she would be 'reincarnate' from the light as a new child person with no prior knowledge of her past but retain her echo or connection to the light. Furthermore, the devs would probably make her the key person in upcoming 'msq', someone that need to be protected from 'whatever' chasing and trying to destroy her. I don't believe she would be quest giver, if anything she would be the quest itself.

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The smile she gives Thancred seems too... knowing for me to think it isn't just a form she needed to take to return to the Source. It makes it seem like she knows he isn't going anywhere, because she knows him.

I am so excited!! I love her character!

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Originally Posted by Daralii

The smile she gives Thancred seems too... knowing for me to think it isn't just a form she needed to take to return to the Source. It makes it seem like she knows he isn't going anywhere, because she knows him.

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Or that she is totally going to murder us all and Thancred switches sides when as Warriors of Darkness we are now in fact, challenging the Hydaelyn. Just, we are not quite "ascians" neither, we gotta do this, without messing with Zodiark.
Unless Zodiark is totally trapped and being actually the victim here and Hydaelyn has just being toying with us all this time...

There is the theory of duality too: Light and Darkness have both good and bad sides (having a bit of darkness and light inside like in a ying-yang also relates both to an equilibrium of "alligment"). If this is the case we could perfectly say there 4 teams:

Astral goddies! - Us, the mother crystal, our allies "in general".
Umbral gooddies! - WoD/Arbert troupe, some voidsents?, us in our future as WoD.
Astral baddies! - The "lightspawns/angels (seven hevens)", maybe Hydaelyn herself is here?, maybe there is a variety of "Ascians" (no, not the scions) trying to tip other reflections towards the light too.
Astral baddies! - The voidsents, other demons (seven hells), ascians are clearly here and so is zodiark if what we know so far about the source is true: That bringing back absolute balance will end all life in the uni/meta/multiverse.

And there is honestly many more. We are not even sure if WE are time traveling anyway.

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

Her stare freaks me out.

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Glad to know it's not just me. Even her adult form was unsettling with that stare. I suppose it's meant to portray her as holy and motherly, crystal-y being but she gives me that cold alien vibe. I don't quite feel protected at all lol

Already my discord has been filled with the horrific 'return to the waking sand' memes. She's like the Preston Garvey of FF14.

Every game needs an eye candy. Even SE knows that...

It looks like Hydaelyn did a little fusion with Manfilia and this is her final form or something.

Not looking forward to the 2.0 flashbacks.

She's become the White Walker of Light.

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Originally Posted by MuseTraveller

Glad to know it's not just me. Even her adult form was unsettling with that stare. I suppose it's meant to portray her as holy and motherly, crystal-y being but she gives me that cold alien vibe. I don't quite feel protected at all lol

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I don't think "motherly" is the intent with that appearance! But definitely crystal-y and aetherial. It's a clear indication that her nature has changed and she's become something not-quite-human even though she retains that form.

It also allows for some kind of future event where everything's resolved and she is (by any number of mechanisms) released from Hydaelyn's direct service - in which case you'd instantly understand that had happened because her eyes have changed again.

What if this is not Minfilia or, at least, "our" Minfilia.
I mean, we have been told about parrallel universe so, my guess would be a Minfilia from another shard and, considering how much Thancred loved her and was devastated by her "death", he kind of "replace" her and see this one as the original Minfilia, thus keeping the promies he made to protect her.

Could be interesting, she could have a personnality completely different, we could even imagine her as the Word of Zodiarc, manipulating Thancred and trying to bring the Dakness using him and us ^^
(I find her weird in the trailer)

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Originally Posted by Celef

What if this is not Minfilia or, at least, "our" Minfilia.
I mean, we have been told about parrallel universe so, my guess would be a Minfilia from another shard and, considering how much Thancred loved her and was devastated by her "death", he kind of "replace" her and see this one as the original Minfilia, thus keeping the promies he made to protect her

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I'd actually prefer if it was ours.. even if she had amnesia or something.
The body double storyline is hard to pull off effectively, and it tries to use attachment to an old character to create fake attachment to a new one. I'd much rather have our Minfilia back and they do more to make her a more personable and active character in the xiv story; or a completely new character that just reminds Thancred of Minfilia but is not the new universe version of her, but even then, that's just a step away from the body double.

My BIGGEST observation about Minfilia in the trailer being a child, is that we're going into the past through New Game +. Kind of like what FFXI used to do with Wings of the Goddess. Wings of the Goddess allowed you to access some of the new classes such as DANCER, SCHOLAR. To obtain, you had to basically take a Cavernous Maw into the past (I don't think we'll be doing this as a system for FFXIV), and obtain it in the war or during the war prior events. This would make GunBreaker a prior class before the Calamity fall of 1.0 or during 1.0. Essentially, making Thancred the GunBreaker class in prior engagements before Bahamut and the war with the alliance had taken place. Like... JUST before it happens. Maybe months prior. So we'd be able to obtain GunBreaker in PAST Gridania. It also means that this will be prior engagements to the Goobbue that goes wild during the festival in Uldah, where she originally was (as a child during that event), and Thancreds past comes up about protecting her and her father in that time line. Means 1.0 tie in could be possible as well.

This COULD make sense in seeing that we'll be getting a NEW GAME + mode for FFXIV. And since you'll be your CURRENT version of you at the level you're at (60 or 70 requirement), it wouldn't be game breaking to think this could be potentially possible.

They already said new game+ has no effect on your current game, you can go back at any time, and it doesn't change anything. It's just a full replay, not actually something that changes and grows.