BLU and EX Primal Spells

At 49/49.

You guys gotta suck it up a bit. So many people are afraid to do Extreme, when it's braindead easy by this point. Make groups of 4 lv70's and 4 blu's, switch when you get it. You're not going to be doing it that much faster by doing Hard, and the chance you'll get the ability is so much greater (well worth the time invested, saving loads of time).

If no one in your group is owning up to going lv70, then do it yourself. Show the group that someone among them is willing to carry, and you're likely to get one or two others to volunteer without even asking. It's possible you'll get an asshole that will ditch once they get it, but by far and large you're surrounded by decent people who will return the favor.

You're looking at spending an hour like this. Two hours or so if you're unlucky. Less than an hour with moderate luck. It's much better than spending the 6 hours you'd do with other plans.

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Originally Posted by Sieben79

Is it so bad to have not all the skills for the Blue Mage after the 4th day of release? People often complain that there is nothing to do in this game :)

I'd done Enki and Gil with a friend yesterday for Missile. He got it after the 4th run, I got it after the 13th...

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Problem is RNG never feels like progress, I spent 8 hours farming and have two of the primal spells. About 150 runs, I'd have been fine filling an exp bar that took 100 runs at least I'd feel like every run was progress rather than blind dread.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

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That's just luck on your end. I'm seven hours into my Glass Dance after I got my friend's his the first run in. RNG is RNG and sometimes RNG will screw you over.

(Casually remembers it's been 400 runs of Skalla and I've never seen the aiming top.)

I think that as long as you have BLU unlocked and there is at least one BLU in the party you should be able to learn the spell no matter what job you're on.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

Why not just add primals as a part of the masked carnival as some sort of floor master-esque mini boss.

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I'd say as egis, for lore flavor, since Summoners and Blue Mages both operate on the concept of using the aether they've been exposed to to create something. Blue Mages just decide to create fish.

It's stupid that BLUs have to beg other jobs for help to learn their skills.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

Why not just add primals as a part of the masked carnival as some sort of floor master-esque mini boss.

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yes this, I think that is the way they should go in how to learn these spells.

It’s just the design flaw of ok we have this limited job, that isn’t designed for the traditional party comp, then they think ok let’s make the blue mages who are a limited job have to use NON-limited job trials to get their skills...

And since you can’t exactly plop down primals into the open world, it makes the most sense to have blue mages learn these primal skills from blue mage specific content aka masked carnival fights based on the primals most likely some egi-version. They could be hard fights that you need to use your wits, skill and solve some blue mage puzzles. Completing them would get you the spell, that would lead to feelings of accomplishment and generally just fun. Like I see people with these primal spells and I’m just like yea, 90% of your just got lucky and sat afk for hours while other people farmed it for you, then 50% of you actually stayed to help someone else get it. It’s just not cool. But if it’s from a solo hard fight, you can be like wow nice that person cleared that cool fight on their own accord and skill, that’s coooooool

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Originally Posted by Darkplanet

yes this, I think that is the way they should go in how to learn these spells.

It’s just the design flaw of ok we have this limited job, that isn’t designed for the traditional party comp, then they think ok let’s make the blue mages who are a limited job have to use NON-limited job trials to get their skills...

And since you can’t exactly plop down primals into the open world, it makes the most sense to have blue mages learn these primal skills from blue mage specific content aka masked carnival fights based on the primals most likely some egi-version. They could be hard fights that you need to use your wits, skill and solve some blue mage puzzles. Completing them would get you the spell, that would lead to feelings of accomplishment and generally just fun. Like I see people with these primal spells and I’m just like yea, 90% of your just got lucky and sat afk for hours while other people farmed it for you, then 50% of you actually stayed to help someone else get it. It’s just not cool. But if it’s from a solo hard fight, you can be like wow nice that person cleared that cool fight on their own accord and skill, that’s coooooool

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it is really weird that the roe playing the villan Almalgia uses 3 primal abilities in a cs but not in the fight they had a way but decide nah just leave it in trials

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Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

Problem is RNG never feels like progress, I spent 8 hours farming and have two of the primal spells. About 150 runs, I'd have been fine filling an exp bar that took 100 runs at least I'd feel like every run was progress rather than blind dread.

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This is why I prefer EX. At least you get loot for your troubles, and the chance of ponies and awesome looking weapons.

All of these problems can be alliveated if the dev. team would give us a proper drop rate instead of what appears to be less than 1% learn rate just to keep us around longer.

I formally request the learn rate for the primal spells to increase, there is a lot of things to do in this game, having to spend most of your time farming a singular piece of content is an insult to our time.

I have ran Tam Tara over 10 times with a friend and did not get Mind Blast yet, so i would say all around the rates need to be better.
But no they used the same awful rng system like they have for everything else it seems.
I enjoyed blu until this and still do however with my example above and trying to get the ability from the Flame Sergeant (killed well over 20X) and still no ability i may very well just shelf it if it's going to be like this to acquire most abilities.
Have had enough RNG with all the Relics plus never getting gear from raids.

Shouldn't we also be considered as well that once the BLU hype dies down, it will be a more difficult for BLU to find groups as well since most people would have obtained the skills or moved on from BLU.

the BLU mage will need a means to obtain dungeon and Primal skills through solo means later for long term content wise and for now we can only hope Trust System can help Blue Mage with that issue.

Hopefully we can use Trust NPCs in unsync content as well since the content for BLU is old after all.

Make the EX fights drop totems that we can exchange so at least we know there's an end in sight.

99 x 2/3 min runs isn't great but at least people can do it at their own pace and not get let down by people screwing them over.

Can't complain enough about how skills are obtained. In a 4/4 split for Levi skill and the first 4 got the skill on the 6th try. The other 4 however are on attempt 40+ with no skill.

I can't imagine doing this without being carried by a 70 to make the duty take as little time as possible. This is such a terrible system to lock a big part of the class behind rng. Also on attempt 50+ now while writing this.

Edit: Ok so party finally disbanded after 70+ attempts at levi and the end result was NOTHING! I still do not have the spell after all those kills. The only good thing about the blue mage launch is that my chocobo companion will be level 20 after going 6 levels in a few days. My experience with this class was enjoyable at first but has taken a nose dive off a cliff into a horrendous waste of time. 1k needles till level 50 then spend hours afk in primals hoping you get a spell.

What a joke, anyone defending this garbage is either a SE fanboy or got lucky with their skills after a few attempts.

I farmed Ramuh for around nine hours between Wednesday and Thursday combined. I finally got the spell after all that time. That was soooo much time I could have spent doing anything else. I must have seen two full inventories worth of pony horns I left with 26 Ramuh cards. It took four groups before one half even saw the spell and another 3 to get both groups the spell.

Today, I spent five hours farming Shiva. I didn't see the spell at all. And I still need Titan's and the partyfinder is already starting to turn against BLUs so I know I have to get them soon. I got my DRK mount from doing this today and I was only at around 60 high level duties with it before BLU came out. I always end up swapping to tank because the tank cant keep going that long but if the spell drops I know the group will disband or the BLUs will leave instead.

It just feels like a bad dream I keep falling asleep to have purposefully, hoping there'll be flowers but instead there's just anticipation and disappointment.

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RNG based game play is not fun, has never been fun, and never will be fun.

For the love of Hydaelyn, SE, STOP PUTTING IT IN YOUR SYSTEMS.

Just out of curiosity, I just hit 50 on my blu and am now doing the primal spells. For those that got the spells, how is the dmg output and Is it worth all the trouble? Also, has anyone gotten the spells on NM Ifrit and Titan? I'm 0/10 on Eruption and haven't seen Mountain Buster yet on NM Titan.

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Originally Posted by AlchemicMike

I farmed Ramuh for around nine hours between Wednesday and Thursday combined. I finally got the spell after all that time. That was soooo much time I could have spent doing anything else. I must have seen two full inventories worth of pony horns I left with 26 Ramuh cards. It took four groups before one half even saw the spell and another 3 to get both groups the spell.

Today, I spent five hours farming Shiva. I didn't see the spell at all. And I still need Titan's and the partyfinder is already starting to turn against BLUs so I know I have to get them soon. I got my DRK mount from doing this today and I was only at around 60 high level duties with it before BLU came out. I always end up swapping to tank because the tank cant keep going that long but if the spell drops I know the group will disband or the BLUs will leave instead.

It just feels like a bad dream I keep falling asleep to have purposefully, hoping there'll be flowers but instead there's just anticipation and disappointment.

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My friend is lucky he has me to run him through most of that crap, when I'm bored. Most people though are gonna be SoL when the majority of BLU give up, or the people willing to actually do these group trades get their skills. You don't get in while it's hot you are gonna have an even worse time, and it's already a bad time getting these. BLU isn't even that good apparently, so it's not even worth the grind needed to get these skills. Maybe if it was significantly buffed it would actually be worth it to do level 50 content for "fun".

I personally don't like the class. I got it to 16, got back on one of my 70's to do some duties and still haven't switched back. Not even intending to not play it again, it just worked out that way. I have no interest in picking it up. However, if I did end up wanting to get it to 50, I probably will be SoL for getting skills, I'm pretty sure my friend is banking on me continuing to have no interest in the class, or procrastinating (for years) about leveling it..

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Originally Posted by Evogolist

Just out of curiosity, I just hit 50 on my blu and am now doing the primal spells. For those that got the spells, how is the dmg output and Is it worth all the trouble? Also, has anyone gotten the spells on NM Ifrit and Titan? I'm 0/10 on Eruption and haven't seen Mountain Buster yet on NM Titan.

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They are of varying degrees of 'okay'. Garuda's looks cool to cast and the damage is alright. Ifrit's deals less damage due to no dot but is a nice insta-cast aoe damage. Ramuh's is sweet for single target due to the damage but has the issue of "%less damage for more targets" and it hurts. A lot. I cant speak for Titan or Shiva because I dont have those.

They are not worth the time. Unless you're lucky they are not worth the time, and may the Twelve have mercy on you if you're a completionist like me.

Edit because I should mention: Some of the best spells are still combo spells. Chimera's abilities deal an obscene amount of damage, Bristle + Song of Torment is a dot that hits for a nice amount of damage as an example. Petrify (when it works) + Drill Cannon also hits hard and fast. BLU is...interestingly...something right now. I cant say if it's good or bad.

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Originally Posted by Evogolist

Just out of curiosity, I just hit 50 on my blu and am now doing the primal spells. For those that got the spells, how is the dmg output and Is it worth all the trouble? Also, has anyone gotten the spells on NM Ifrit and Titan? I'm 0/10 on Eruption and haven't seen Mountain Buster yet on NM Titan.

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Eruption/Feather rain share Eruption is 220 placed ground aoe, feather rain is 180 with a dot that is 20 potency last 6s 30s cd
Mountain Buster/Shock strike share both are 310 potency for 1st target then drop lower for more shock strike is ranged mountain buster is physical and you have to aim it like bad breath 60s cd
Veil of the Wharl/Glass Dance share Veil is vengeance Glass dance is aoe 290 potency for 1st with lower for more you also have to aim it 90s cd
All are ogcds have small mp cost they are very disarable to buff blu base dmg output

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Originally Posted by Evogolist

Just out of curiosity, I just hit 50 on my blu and am now doing the primal spells. For those that got the spells, how is the dmg output and Is it worth all the trouble? Also, has anyone gotten the spells on NM Ifrit and Titan? I'm 0/10 on Eruption and haven't seen Mountain Buster yet on NM Titan.

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They are mostly all OGCD abilities that have a recast time but can be weaved in between casts. If you are serious about blu you should get them because they only increase damage output and burst ability of blue since you don't really get other off gcd abilities

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Originally Posted by AlchemicMike

That was soooo much time I could have spent doing anything else.

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Then why didn't you actually do "anything else"? Why didn't you just stop after a few hours of that "dissapointing bad dream"? These skills absolutly don't gate anything.

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Originally Posted by AlchemicMike

They are of varying degrees of 'okay'. Garuda's looks cool to cast and the damage is alright. Ifrit's deals less damage due to no dot but is a nice insta-cast aoe damage. Ramuh's is sweet for single target due to the damage but has the issue of "%less damage for more targets" and it hurts. A lot. I cant speak for Titan or Shiva because I dont have those.

They are not worth the time. Unless you're lucky they are not worth the time, and may the Twelve have mercy on you if you're a completionist like me.

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Thanks a bunch. I was worried because even with Bristle and Peculiar Light, Blu dmg seems a bit underwhelming. I am working on unlocking Moon Flute, but don't know how much of a difference that will make. Meh, I'll probably give it a go a few times until I get tired and/or frustrated and then give it a break for a bit.

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Originally Posted by Evogolist

Thanks a bunch. I was worried because even with Bristle and Peculiar Light, Blu dmg seems a bit underwhelming. I am working on unlocking Moon Flute, but don't know how much of a difference that will make. Meh, I'll probably give it a go a few times until I get tired and/or frustrated and then give it a break for a bit.

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As far as I'm aware, Bristle doesn't affect Peculiar Light. I'm not sure if that's a bug or not since it does affect other DoTs. The job's damage is definitely low, even if you go full casting accessories(BLU can equip fending), so there are a lot of cases where it's mostly whittling down enemies with DoTs, Glower/Sharpened Knife spam, and Primal spells.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Then why didn't you actually do "anything else"? Why didn't you just stop after a few hours of that "dissapointing bad dream"? These skills absolutly don't gate anything.

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To quote myself "the partyfinder is already starting to turn against BLUs so I know I have to get them soon.". Now is the best time to get them because people are trying, it's new, it's cool, and the demand for them is huge. But the novelty is wearing off and the frustration for drops is setting in. On a counterpoint: people are just trying to get their books done or get a few ponies, they don't want to wait around while sub-optimal DPS whine to wait or rez so they have a fraction of a fraction of a chance to get a spell. If these spells are acquired by the end of next week I wish anyone going for them luck, because no one will want to run a group of blue mages through the same trial 60 times.

And besides that for me I'm a completionist. Gotta get all the minions I can, gotta harvest all the harvestables (legendary fish be damned). Doing the sightseeing log made me stay up till 5 in the morning because certain ARR ones that were affected by weather/time just would not show up. That dopamine release is sweet and you feel accomplished at the end of it, but this is just some parts of insanity.

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Originally Posted by AlchemicMike

Ramuh's is sweet for single target due to the damage but has the issue of "%less damage for more targets" and it hurts. A lot. I cant speak for Titan or Shiva because I dont have those.

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Mountain Buster (Titan) is an exact copy of Ramuh damage wise. Only difference is Ramuh's hits the target at ranged an all around it vs Mountain Buster in a cone in front of you.

Shock Strike is straight up better.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Then why didn't you actually do "anything else"? Why didn't you just stop after a few hours of that "dissapointing bad dream"? These skills absolutly don't gate anything.

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Oh look the local SE white knight again. These aren't mounts, novelty items, or glamour. Half of the class is gated behind a rng grind fest that involves being carried by level 70s in 4 year old content. Mounts have a better drop rate than skills.

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Originally Posted by Repulse97

It's just a nuance trying to learn these spells, especially when people want you to not run BLU and then leave when they get the spells.

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Nuisance*

BLU needs a raise and reraise spells so that it isn't necessary to bring 70s to any of their hunts.

I suspect that the learning rate for abilities will be adjusted over time.

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Originally Posted by Atlas-04

Oh look the local SE white knight again. These aren't mounts, novelty items, or glamour. Half of the class is gated behind a rng grind fest that involves being carried by level 70s in 4 year old content. Mounts have a better drop rate than skills.

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Oh look, another troll. These skills are completly optional. Period.
I asked for the reason why he went through something he disliked. And I got my answer already: he is a completionist. Also, you don't need to answer the question for him.

Keep hatin'.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Oh look, another troll. These skills are completly optional. Period.
I asked for the reason why he went through something he disliked. And I got my answer already: he is a completionist. Also, you don't need to answer the question for him.

Keep hatin'.

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The skills are just as optional as any other spell. I mean, you could just cast Jolt 2 over and over again but you'd be sub par. Because that's what Glower basically amounts to (with the 50% damage up with Off-Guard). It hits almost exactly as hard as Jolt 2 without the Dualcast.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

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First I want to say you are right. No one is forcing me to grind these out, I'm doing it because I cant stand that question mark in my book.

It is more than my completionist nature though. If you don't end up getting these abilities while people are still trying to get them you will not be getting them in the near future. Ponies can be farmed in WTs because they drop at the end and people aren't going in for them, they're going in for the kill for their book. You cant do that with these skills. Titan will be dead before his first buster, Shiva will be dead long before her bow comes out. To compound the issue you have to be a BLU to acquire it, and BLU is turned off BY DEFAULT when making a party in the party finder. So unless you have a friend or FC willing to sink anywhere between 1 and 30 hours into dragging one person through the same content over and over and over again, you will not be getting this ability.

Alternatively, make these bosses susceptible to all of BLU's kit. Petrify? Freeze? Doom? Sure! You cant que for it anyways, why not let it be the broken we were promised!

I'm making myself suffer now (about to re-que until I'm sick) so I don't suffer later. And I dont trust Square to make this part better because I didn't bite when they said "Eureka would be better than Diadem" and while I scraped through Anemos, Pagos is where fun goes to die.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Oh look, another troll. These skills are completly optional. Period.
I asked for the reason why he went through something he disliked. And I got my answer already: he is a completionist. Also, you don't need to answer the question for him.

Keep hatin'.

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Troll? If you consider a troll someone who leveled blue mage to 50 and spent hours trying to farm primal skills only to come up short. I have played this "game" and find that there is nothing acceptable about this 50 skill grind. It is per rng based class progression that locks you out of some of the best parts of the class. I would consider these non optional as without them your spell roster is laughable.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

The skills are just as optional as any other spell. I mean, you could just cast Jolt 2 over and over again but you'd be sub par. Because that's what Glower basically amounts to (with the 50% damage up with Off-Guard). It hits almost exactly as hard as Jolt 2 without the Dualcast.

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Are you really comparing a regular job, going on regular duties where it is expected that you perform to the best of your capabilities, to a limited job which was basically made "for the lulz"? And you think that's a fair comparison to do, when the stakes and expectations of others are completly different? Well, I assume you do, otherwise you wouldn't have made it I guess...

So, where are you going to be "sub-par" exactly when playing BLU? In farm parties where a Lv.70 is here to carry you? In the Masked Carnivale where you will be on your own?... Let me rephrase the question: why does it matter to be optimal with BLU?
I can see why it matters on regular jobs. But I don't get why that's a necessity for BLU given what the job is about.

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Originally Posted by Atlas-04

Troll? If you consider a troll someone who leveled blue mage to 50 and spent hours trying to farm primal skills only to come up short. I have played this "game" and find that there is nothing acceptable about this 50 skill grind. It is per rng based class progression that locks you out of some of the best parts of the class. I would consider these non optional as without them your spell roster is laughable.

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You leveling your Blue Mage to 50 and farming skills have absolutly nothing to do with you calling me a white knight, answering in the place of someone else's personal reasons, and telling me stuff that I already know about ("skills are not mounts!". Good job Sherlock!). It seems that you just saw my name and got triggered, so you had to find something to tell me, even if it's completly irrelevant to what I actually asked. This is why I called you a troll.

And here again, you tell me stuff that I already know while completly missing the point. I don't care if you find that grind it acceptable or not. That's not what I asked. I asked why -if you find it "unacceptable"- did you forced yourself to do it? You say that these skills "locks you out of some of the best parts of the class"... Except it actually doesn't. There is absolutly no piece of content locked behind these skills except an optimal "rotation", which is itself completly unnecessary.

But whatever. I already said in another thread that I shouldn't answer trolls, and I already answered twice to you. So I'm going to cut it here and simply add another one to the blacklist. You don't seem to have anything of value to provide, and I don't need people of accusing me of being a white knight because they don't like when logic and facts are used against their precious opinions.

Again, keep hatin', you're doing great.

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EDIT: Just so I don't get someone else like that coming at me for whatever agenda they have or because they don't understand what I'm saying or what I actually think personally: I actually think that the drop rates for the Primal skills are too low. I think that this grind doesn't really provide much enjoyment. I'd also like incentives to play with 8 BLU and tackle on Extreme Primals instead of getting carried by Lv.70s. But I'm also not too bothered by it simply because I'm quite resilent to repetitive tasks and I grew up with MMORPGs with far worse drop tables than that. In short: I've seen way worse.

But these are only my mere subjective opinions and past experiences. They are not facts, and I'm not entitled to get everything I want... Simply because that may not be what someone else wants. Some people may like that type of grind or think that the droprate is fine for these 5 star abilities supposed to be rare.
This is why I very rarely say what my own subjective opinions are: because they are just that, and everyone has their own. And I'm not selfish or narcissic enough to think that my personal needs should be fulfilled.

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Why then, did I asked AlchemicMike why he went through that grind he obviously didn't like? To make him question his own choice to inflict something he didn't like to himself and make him wonder if it was worth it (him and everyone like him, including myself). To remind everyone that this is a video game, and doing things you like is important. If you don't like doing something, don't do it. But don't automatically assume that it has to be changed to please you. Especially if that stuff is completly optional.
If you go through something you don't like, for no or a very minor benefit that you don't think was worth it, and then come complaining on forums how ridiculous that was... Yeah, it was completly ridiculous. Which is why you shouldn't do it. You are also giving SE the numbers they need to think that your complains don't matter, since you did it anyway. So not only you did something you hated doing, but you actually participated in keeping things the same.

I don't defend Square Enix. I argue against ridiculous things people say. I ague against objectively bad or flawed arguments. Why? Because these are worthless. If I can find objective flaws in someone's "solution" to whatever kind of issue they have with the game, so can SE. It means that these have a very high chance of getting dismissed by the devs.
So yeah, I don't care if people think I'm being some kind of passive-agressive and condescending dude trying to break people's dreams. If there's a chance that some people might pick that up and improve their arguing skills to express themselves better so that Square Enix cannot easily brush it off, then I'll keep doing it. But if a random dude can use facts and objective arguments to poke at your opinion, getting offended isn't really going to do much. Using better arguments will.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

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Certain fights in Masked Carnival have a DPS check made as part of the mechanics. Primal skills are almost requried to meet those DPS checks since these skills are basically the main source for BLU high DPS rate.

without them the BLU is stuck spamming 1 or 2 skills that only do 120 potency or 130 potency against enemies that are naurally resistant to conditions, instant death, and instant HP% damage skills and not meet the DPS check.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Certain fights in Masked Carnival have a DPS check made as part of the mechanics. Primal skills are almost requried to meet those DPS checks since these skills are basically the main source for BLU high DPS rate.

without them the BLU is stuck spamming 1 or 2 skills that only do 120 potency or 130 potency against enemies that are naurally resistant to conditions, instant death, and instant HP% damage skills and not meet the DPS check.

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I completed the Carnival without any Primal skills. Besides, you can actually learn every skill needed to complete the Carnivale while playing 100% solo (this is beyond the point, but it's to show you how easy the Canivale actually is).
Sure, these skills can help you meet these DPS checks, but then that's only a git gut issue.

Just acquired Shiva Extreme's Glass Dance after 40 runs.
The bittersweet part of this, is that after we switched jobs to carry the people who carried us, they got it in 1 try.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

You leveling your Blue Mage to 50 and farming skills have absolutly nothing to do with you calling me a white knight, answering in the place of someone else's personal reasons, and telling me stuff that I already know about ("skills are not mounts!". Good job Sherlock!). It seems that you just saw my name and got triggered, so you had to find something to tell me, even if it's completly irrelevant to what I actually ask. This is why I called you a troll.

And here again, you tell me stuff that I already know while completly missing the point. I don't care if you find that grind it acceptable or not. That's not what I asked. I asked why -if you find it "unacceptable"- did you forced yourself to do it? You say that these skills "locks you out of some of the best parts of the class"... Except it actually doesn't. There is nothing locked beind these skills except an optimal "rotation", which is itself completly unnecessary.

But whatever. I already said in another thread that I shouldn't answer trolls, and I already answered twice to you. So I'm going to cut it here and simply add another one to the blacklist. You don't seem to have anything of value to provide, and I don't need people of accusing me of being a white knight because they don't like when logic and facts are used against their precious opinions.

Again, keep hatin', you're doing great.

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Who cares about an optimal rotation? I certainly don't, I want to play around with random monster spells and just screw around like the class seems to be designed for. What is locked behind the grind are interesting spells that can provide a new play style to mix up your rotation, not make it optimal. Blue mages who skip the grind have a very gimped spell book and are missing out on a large part of the class.

I find it funny that the whole idea of blue mage, learning monster skills by fighting them, is the worst part. I wish I could fight shiva solo and learn her spell 100% of the time. Let me play blue mage to learn these skills. its adorable that you think the only value these skills have is an optimal rotation. I find their value to be in the experimentation and varying play style. Its unfortunate that this side class not to be taken totally serious, requires a dedicated grind that will lock most players from every getting the full potential of the class.

I call you a white knight cause after reading all your posts you refuse to find any fault at all in SE and religiously defend the entire implementation. I enjoy the concept of blue mage and have had fun playing it before hitting 50. However I find the grind to learn the 50 skills totally whack and really ruins the class as many spells are going to unavailable to play around with.

but sure go ahead and blacklist me cause I disagree with you.

My complaint isn't that it's a low chance of learning, it's the fact you can't solo EX battle with a solo job.

Rotation, huh...
The best rotation I have so far as a BLU that works against everything is
[Prep Sequence]
Toad Oil -> Bristle
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Off-guard -> Song of Torment -> [Flying Sardine:Peculiar Light] -> [Flying Sardine:Glass Dance] -> [Flying Sardine:Mountain Buster] -> [Flying Sardine:Eruption] -> Glower*6 ->
[Flying Sardine:Off-guard] -> Song of Torment -> Glower*3 -> [Flying Sardine:Eruption] -> Glower*6 ->
[Flying Sardine:Off-guard] -> [Flying Sardine:Peculiar Light] -> Song of Torment -> Glower -> [Flying Sardine:Mountain Buster] -> [Flying Sardine:Eruption] -> Glower*6 ->
And so on.

For long periods where you can prepare defenses for raid-wides, such as Shiva's and Leviathan's Transitions, you can throw up Mighty Guard and Diamondback. Drop Mighty Guard after the hit is soaked.