Is Microsoft or Sony holding up a Xbox One version at this point?

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Originally Posted by Derio

Its old, but I think Yoshi states it again at a interview before the 1st fan fest. But this article still has relevance due to Microsoft Online policies.

ESO is the only MMO on playstation that requires PS+ so you cannot use ESO as a representation.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-platform-play

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Fallout 76 requires PS+ now as well.

Also last I heard, Microsoft also wanted Xbox exclusive servers. Not that they wanted to have their players only playing separate of PS and PC players, but they wanted to let them play with the rest of us AND have exclusive servers for their players who don't want to play with the other two platforms. This was also a sticking point for Square since they didn't want to create Xbox exclusive servers.

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Originally Posted by Gralna

Only thing western developers seem to understand lately is loot boxes make them money.

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and its affecting Japanese developers too. Mogstation...

Lootboxes and Mog Station items aren't even in the same boat.

The former preys on RNG and attempts to cultivate a 'just one more' mentality with no guarantee to receive the item that the buyer desires. The latter outright gives you exactly what it says on the tin.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Lootboxes and Mog Station items aren't even in the same boat.

The former preys on RNG and attempts to cultivate a 'just one more' mentality with no guarantee to receive the item that the buyer desires. The latter outright gives you exactly what it says on the tin.

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I'm comparing it to player experience and know that they aren't intrinsically connected but inevitably function the same, to provide added income and feed off those who have disposable income and/or have poor monetary decisions. While some things are in a gray area like purchasing retainers, which imo gives an advantage over MB control, retainer ventures and inventory space, this game is making a shift to "player identity" gameplay with even raid gear being limited to bragging rights and glamour.

When glamour or standing out of a crowd becomes the focus on the game and you put items in the mogstation that make you stand out, then I would say that the mogstation does affect your gameplay experience. Not to mention a lot of things are over-priced for no reason. $18 USD for a single glamour set for one character. $7-$10 USD for an emote for one character and the list goes on. I want to support SE and this game but I draw the line at egregious pricing. So yes they are the same thing. They just have different approaches to achieving the same goal which is to feed on whales. The lootboxes just have no monetary ceiling so they are far more dangerous but both are definitely in the same boat. I'm sure people have spent tons on fantasias alone.

I may sound salty but I have a decent amount of common sense to justify my monetary spending so the mogstation to me just looks like another attempt to sell shoddy goods. If you don't believe me then feel free to enjoy your generic HW mount music on your whale mounts or cardboard wings. For those prices you should be getting more than what you have now and honestly people who do buy that stuff really should be demanding more.

TLDR; Microsoft is shifting to a "platform" based Xbox so PC and Xbox are inter-changeable. Then I wonder why even bother with Xbox when PC essentially gives you everything. Access to Xbox exlcusive and FFXIV? They also need to sell way more in Japan because from what I understand Xbox is seen as ugly and very excessive in Japan. A country which enjoys aesthetic and compact, not to mention Japanese are very loyal to Japanese brands from what I heard.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

I'm comparing it to player experience and know that they aren't intrinsically connected but inevitably function the same, to provide added income and feed off those who have disposable income and/or have poor monetary decisions. While some things are in a gray area like purchasing retainers, which imo gives an advantage over MB control, retainer ventures and inventory space, this game is making a shift to "player identity" gameplay with even raid gear being limited to bragging rights and glamour.

When glamour or standing out of a crowd becomes the focus on the game and you put items in the mogstation that make you stand out, then I would say that the mogstation does affect your gameplay experience. Not to mention a lot of things are over-priced for no reason. $18 USD for a single glamour set for one character. $7-$10 USD for an emote for one character and the list goes on. I want to support SE and this game but I draw the line at egregious pricing. So yes they are the same thing. They just have different approaches to achieving the same goal which is to feed on whales. The lootboxes just have no monetary ceiling so they are far more dangerous but both are definitely in the same boat. I'm sure people have spent tons on fantasias alone.

I may sound salty but I have a decent amount of common sense to justify my monetary spending so the mogstation to me just looks like another attempt to sell shoddy goods. If you don't believe me then feel free to enjoy your generic HW mount music on your whale mounts or cardboard wings. For those prices you should be getting more than what you have now and honestly people who do buy that stuff really should be demanding more.

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This thread is not a mog station debate thread, please find Another thread. that being said DO you not get any of the 200+ glamor peices that are basicly handed to you in the game, minions, mounts hairstyles and emotes? the mog station has way less then in game.

that being said I have friends who cannot pay for ps+ because they pay for ffxiv sub and can still play because it doesnt require it

So much finger pointing without knowing all info.

Right now the side holding up crossplay is: both.

PS4 has only allowed crossplay of Fortnite as a beta test that is currently ongoing, depending on that beta test Sony will decide whether they want to allow crossplay with more titles, this beta started in late September and there has been no update since.

On the Xbox side the issues have been listed already, Microsoft would have to waive the live sub requirement for FFXIV (something they have yet to allow for any game) and I can't find any info whether the xbox-only servers is still a requirement, though this one I find it easy to be waived.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

PS4 has only allowed crossplay of Fortnite as a beta test that is currently ongoing, depending on that beta test Sony will decide whether they want to allow crossplay with more titles, this beta started in late September and there has been no update since.

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Again, SONY has no way of preventing PC players from playing with others. As soon as PS4 and PC players play together, it's completely out of SONY's hands.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

No offense, but I can't fathom anyone wanting to do a full job rotation, let's say DRG on this thing:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...on-Grip-FL.jpg

When they can use something far easier and probably more comfortable to grip like this thing.

https://www.gamesmen.com.au/media/ca...ler--_new_.jpg

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https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content...Ec-Ticcry4.jpg
You can remove the Switch Joy-Cons. Also, the Switch Controller adapter (what you linked) feels just like a Dreamcast controller, which some people absolutely loved.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/0e...973e30af25.jpg
Even then, all SE'd need to do is allow the use of a GC controller, since they are still actively used and made backwards compatible with the Switch thanks to Smash (meaning it's possible).

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

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You can remove the Switch Joy-Cons. Also, the Switch Controller adapter (what you linked) feels just like a Dreamcast controller, which some people absolutely loved.
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Even then, all SE'd need to do is allow the use of a GC controller, since they are still actively used and made backwards compatible with the Switch thanks to Smash (meaning it's possible).

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You're still missing the point. The Joycon is not meant for ease of use for an MMO in mind and with XIV's toggle hotbars. I imagine trying to manage multiple hot bars on those things would be not fun at all and somewhat challenging, even worse if you had them apart. So, not only would the Switch be limited in hardware, but now primary functions with a controller. The reason that the Xbox controller works so well is BECAUSE the Xbox was also designed in mind with games having online, competitive multiplayer capabilities that would need more precise button inputs and control.

Even using a Gamecube controller for XIV would feel clunky and weird with hot bar management controls, pet controls, jobs with more complex rotations, and in-game actions that utilize R3.

It's possible, but it would also feel like a severe downgrade at the same time in comparison towards what we have now.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Again, SONY has no way of preventing PC players from playing with others. As soon as PS4 and PC players play together, it's completely out of SONY's hands.

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It's called a license agreement, otherwise all other games waiting for crossplay would unilaterally implement it since they already have PS4<->PC enabled. A Sony rep literally stated the company's reasons for not allowing crossplay and people still come here defending Sony.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

You're still missing the point. The Joycon is not meant for ease of use for an MMO in mind and with XIV's toggle hotbars. I imagine trying to manage multiple hot bars on those things would be not fun at all and somewhat challenging, even worse if you had them apart. So, not only would the Switch be limited in hardware, but now primary functions with a controller. The reason that the Xbox controller works so well is BECAUSE the Xbox was also designed in mind with games having online, competitive multiplayer capabilities that would need more precise button inputs and control.

Even using a Gamecube controller for XIV would feel clunky and weird with hot bar management controls, pet controls, jobs with more complex rotations, and in-game actions that utilize R3.

It's possible, but it would also feel like a severe downgrade at the same time in comparison towards what we have now.

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I only use the joycons when they are attached to my Switch on the go but when docked it's only the pro controller that I'm comfortable playing with, regardless I would still play on a mouse and keyboard while on the Switch just as I do while on PS4 and PC, though I stopped playing FFXIV on the PS4 a long while ago.
I'm sure Yoshi thought of what is bothering you before already and he still went seeking Nintendo so it seems he doesn't see a great issue, or as much of a concern as you seem to express. I also tried the game on the Switch's pro controller on PC and it felt fine but I'm not a controller person when it comes to MMO so I stopped soon enough after I tried.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

You're still missing the point. The Joycon is not meant for ease of use for an MMO in mind and with XIV's toggle hotbars. I imagine trying to manage multiple hot bars on those things would be not fun at all and somewhat challenging, even worse if you had them apart. So, not only would the Switch be limited in hardware, but now primary functions with a controller. The reason that the Xbox controller works so well is BECAUSE the Xbox was also designed in mind with games having online, competitive multiplayer capabilities that would need more precise button inputs and control.

Even using a Gamecube controller for XIV would feel clunky and weird with hot bar management controls, pet controls, jobs with more complex rotations, and in-game actions that utilize R3.

It's possible, but it would also feel like a severe downgrade at the same time in comparison towards what we have now.

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I see a one sided opinion of "I feel this wouldn't work for me." I'm saying there are more options for the Switch than just that one controller you posted, bringing up the Joy-Cons separate, there's the Pro-Controller and Smash has shown that Nintendo is willing to make their console backwards compatible for an older controller that works exceptionally well for it. I'd dare gamble to say if FFXIV were put on the Switch, and none of the controllers measured up, either they or third party business would make an acceptable controller.

Even then, there's already a way to make the Xbox One, 360 and PS4 controllers work on the Switch.

Again why in the world would they put FFXIV on the Switch when they just stopped support on the PS3? for Nintendo to even have a chance at having FFXIV on the Switch is if the new Switch is AS POWERFUL AS THE FREAKING PLAYSTATION 5.....and even if they did put it on a crappy switch hardware they are going to run into the same damn problem they had on the PS3 which was LIMITATIONS! and there is no way in hell SE would make separate servers for just switch users so you can toss that idea out the window....can we please stop bringing up ideas that would hold FFXIV back? its like SE is trying to take a step forward but then the community makes these ass backward ideas to take two steps back....

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

I see a one sided opinion of "I feel this wouldn't work for me." I'm saying there are more options for the Switch than just that one controller you posted, bringing up the Joy-Cons separate, there's the Pro-Controller and Smash has shown that Nintendo is willing to make their console backwards compatible for an older controller that works exceptionally well for it. I'd dare gamble to say if FFXIV were put on the Switch, and none of the controllers measured up, either they or third party business would make an acceptable controller.

Even then, there's already a way to make the Xbox One, 360 and PS4 controllers work on the Switch.

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There's nothing one sided, I'm stating what is already plain and clear as day to see based on the looks and feel of a Joycon and Gamecube controller against what we know about regarding Microsoft and Sony controllers, and also what genre of games they're all being used in. You're reading too much into things and feelings that aren't even there. Are you sure it's not your opinion that seems one-sided simply because you want and think XIV could work on a Switch?

Controllers for the Xbox and PS4 were built with highly competitive gaming and MMO's in mind. The Gamecube, Dreamcast, and Joycons were not, it's not an opinion, it's a factual observation based on how radically different and ergonomically designed they all are which is plain as day to see and judge on. Nothing on the Switch requires as much precision or button multitasking that XIV does in regard towards hot bar switching on the fly, especially for certain jobs with a less than a minute reaction time sometimes. The Joycons were designed for ease of use for Nintendo's casual and party games, not for an MMO. Most, if not all of Nintendo's target audience and fanbase are casual gamers. I'm sorry if that bluntness ruffles your feathers a little bit.

Unless the Switch presented a free Pro Controller with every XIV purchase for that console, it's going to be hard to get people to buy a $60 controller simply for playing XIV if they don't already own one and are first-time buyers of the console unit.

If they made XIV for the Switch, why should anyone go through all of these extra steps to make a controller work for XIV or make their PS4 and Xbox controller work on a foreign console, or even get a third party business to do it when we've got several other options that have worked fine for years that none of us have had to go the extra miles for to begin with. It seems less cost effective and more high maintenance, not to mention pricey in general to hit a market.....that may not even be old enough to play XIV in the first place.