(Spoiler, Kinda) Gunblade job 'concern'

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Wich one ? Last time I checked they used basic auto attack and have actual existing weapon, like spear, sword & shield, rod and bow.

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Quite sure that the Garleans in the instanced duty when you find and save Gosetsu and Tsuyu had gunblades. I may try and look for ones more common some other time, it's almost 2AM here.

And "basic auto attack" have nothing to do with this discussion. Gunsword can (and will) have a basic auto attack as well.

During the Crystal Tower end game arc both Cid and Nero were using different sized gunblades prior to the beginning of World of Darkness being unlocked.

Papalymo had plate gauntlets, Yda had plate boots...the Scions' gear doesn't always reflect their classes/jobs the same way the WoL's do. So I wouldn't worry too much about Thancred wearing leather as a tank class. Also as someone else mentioned Thancred was a glad at the start of the ARR msq, and he wasn't wearing any plate at all.

And who knows, maybe glamour prisms are more than just a feature for players and are actually canon?

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Originally Posted by kikix12

Quite sure that the Garleans in the instanced duty when you find and save Gosetsu and Tsuyu had gunblades. I may try and look for ones more common some other time, it's almost 2AM here.

And "basic auto attack" have nothing to do with this discussion. Gunsword can (and will) have a basic auto attack as well.

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Even if we set that all aside, Cid used a unique gunblade at least once. So we do have an ally to provide a starting point. There's also the matter of some Machinist weapons already being gunblade models.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

And who knows, maybe glamour prisms are more than just a feature for players and are actually canon?

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They are, and are a key plot point at least twice throughout Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by EusisLandale

They are, and are a key plot point at least twice throughout Stormblood.

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I don't remember this O.O can you please tell me when this happened?

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I don't remember this O.O can you please tell me when this happened?

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As I recall they were being used to set up a fake wall to hide the way into Rhalgar's Reach and were used to replace a Garlean flag with an Ala Mhigan one on one of the bridges to make it look like it had been taken to throw them into chaos for a bit so it could be taken.
No clothing applications of the prisms, but still put to use in other ways.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I don't remember this O.O can you please tell me when this happened?

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I'm not sure, but I think that Hildibrands quests have an enemy that takes on various peoples looks and they made it a point that this is not a simple glamour prism trick. But I MAY be remembering wrong.

And yes, that flag change that EusisLandale spoke about is certainly correct as well.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

During the Crystal Tower end game arc both Cid and Nero were using different sized gunblades prior to the beginning of World of Darkness being unlocked.

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What I try to say is it didn't look that special at those moment, they used it like random sword or gun. To me it was garlemald weapon design more than job potencial. And sorry but it still be, I can't see what it will have that much different from a one-handed paladin with a stun-gun rather than a shield. But hey opinion are like buttcrack, everyone get to have one.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

What I try to say is it didn't look that special at those moment, they used it like random sword or gun. To me it was garlemald weapon design more than job potencial. And sorry but it still be, I can't see what it will have that much different from a one-handed paladin with a stun-gun rather than a shield. But hey opinion are like buttcrack, everyone get to have one.

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No one is trying to attack your opinion or anything. If the class isn't special to you then it's not, simple as that.

But the part that "it came out of nowhere" is no longer an opinion. On that one part, people can dispute it and do. It did not come out of nowhere. Gunswords are a major thing tied to Garlemald that is visible from the beginning. And we as the Warrior of Light have been constantly taking others strength for ourselves. We became White Mages, even though we shouldn't due to not being Padja- whatever, we became Dragoons even though we're not from Ishgard (or even keen on fighting dragons), we became Ninja even though we're not from Doma. We "collect" jobs from all areas that come into the picture. Why shouldn't we take something from the enemy that is soundly trouncing our allies?!

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Originally Posted by Nariel

What I try to say is it didn't look that special at those moment, they used it like random sword or gun. To me it was garlemald weapon design more than job potencial. And sorry but it still be, I can't see what it will have that much different from a one-handed paladin with a stun-gun rather than a shield. But hey opinion are like buttcrack, everyone get to have one.

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The gunblades themselves aren't really all that special, true. But the fighting style used is consistently supplemented with magitek abilities, and Thancred can be seen with some nice glowy blue bits on his new look so it's not necessarily as though the gunblades are the sole thing this job will be using.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

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Like Kikix12 said, I wasn't trying to attack you or anything, I only just wanted to point out that one fact was all. Sorry if I came off that way though. :(

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Originally Posted by Ilan

There is no Leon in FF VIII the character's name is Squall Leonhart

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He does go by the name "Leon" in Kingdom Hearts though. So it's understandable if some people are confused because of that.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

So it's understandable if some people are confused because of that.

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Sure, but people can make the difference. It's not like they saw the moody and edgy Cloud in Kingdom Hearts and believed it was his actual persona...oh, crap ! :p

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Originally Posted by Dirwen

Why is Thancred using gunblade? Did he change job from rogue?

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Thancred lost his ability to use magic. Also, he spent a lot of time in the Empire as a spy.
If you connect the two together and the fact that garleans use magiteck weapons (which include gunblade as a very common weapon in the Empire), Thancred might very well have learned to use a gunblade and thought it'd fit nicely to replace his magic.

Also, don't forget that Thancred was a one-handed sword user early in 2.x, and had skills from the Gladiator. So this fighting style is not new for him.

it could just be thancred new gear
Lyse got two change of cloths

but having a tank with lighter gear doesn't hurt(well literally it might But..)
already have loads of armor options

It's Thancred, in the trailer he has infiltrated the Garlean empire hence the gunblade, i'm more interested in who or what the young girl he is protecting is, her costume is far beyond normal npc peasant gear.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Like Kikix12 said, I wasn't trying to attack you or anything, I only just wanted to point out that one fact was all. Sorry if I came off that way though. :(

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I'm not offedend or anything don't worry, was quite exhausted and I may seems a bit too much aggresive on my answers and not as clear as I was thinking it was.

Hope I'm wrong and the job is actualy neat and add variety to the tank pool + I totaly forget about all the magiteck vibe they can put in to it. Quite curious of the result.

Worth remembering, even when he's a Tank class/job, Thancred doesn't dress the part. He started 2.x as a Gladiator wearing a cloth shirt.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Ranged DpS with light-armor.

Having new tank and heal is nice and all but, they need to bring something new gameplay wise, not that this will bring anything that amazing to ranged DpS. Can't even begin to understand why it is a thing at all to be honest. Looks like fanservice for edgy 12 years old.

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I'd rather they don't release another 2 dps for this expansion, thanks.

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Originally Posted by VitalSuit

I'd rather they don't release another 2 dps for this expansion, thanks.

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True, BLU will be out of the main system. Don't know if he's part of the "multiple new job" for the xpac or not. and I think he'll work as a jack of all trade for solo BLU instance.

I'd say probably one on each. GUN as tank GEO as heal (pure assumption) and ??? as a DpS probably ranged cause SB brind a melee and a magic. Two job sems a bit short for "multiple job" addition.

If they can make it work better as a DPS, in terms of delivering on the job "fantasy", I don't mind. There will be other opportunities to add a tank - maybe even one they take advantage of in 5.0.

That said, a non-plate tank would be interesting, even if they're unlikely to ever go to the effort of adding one.

What if it's in evasion tank? They give it an Utsusemi type of skill. Lightning's been brought up a few times. Her Sentinel tool-kit is built around not getting hit.

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Originally Posted by Heliantheae

What if it's in evasion tank? They give it an Utsusemi type of skill. Lightning's been brought up a few times. Her Sentinel tool-kit is built around not getting hit.

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I think it would cause trouble in balancing fight to define what is dodgable, what is not cause yeah having two tank you barely have to heal cause they just dodge any incoming damage is quite the cheesy way in raid when monoheal is already a pretty doable thing in most of the fight.

I think it’s just Thancred dressing like that. I can’t really see the guy wearing tank armor.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

I think it’s just Thancred dressing like that. I can’t really see the guy wearing tank armor.

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Yeah, he has always preferred to be stylish and I do approve of his get up in the trailer. Either way I can't wait to get my hands on a Gunblade. I've been waiting forever it seems like.

I am a little out of touch since i am a bit inconsistent to the game right now, so i have to ask since i might have bypassed some info, but... Why is everyone treating Gunblade as a tank class already? I mean, when i think of gunblade i think about a melee dps Job, with the 'gun' part of the blade as a augmentation of the dps and a Limit Break like a Renzokuken of some sort.

Also, i am a bit tired of seeing sword wield classes being treated as tanks (looking at you, DRK) instead of dps, but that is just me.

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Originally Posted by Zhamkyong

Why is everyone treating Gunblade as a tank class already?

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There's someone who's been leaking stuff for a while now who has been pretty much dead on every time, including Blue Mage being a 4.5 patch Job instead of an expansion one. This same person has stated that the two jobs coming in Shadowbringers are a tank Gunblade job and Dancer as a healer.

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Originally Posted by EusisLandale

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There goes my hopes for a sword user dps i guess... Well, at least the weapon and gear looks quite good from the trailer.

In February they can announce gun blade as the second 'limited job'.


Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Katana190

The guy in the trailer with the Gunblade (Pretty sure it's Thancred) is wearing an alarming amount of leather.. and not much plate, please don't be another Melee DPS. We need more tanks and healers.

I know NPC outfits are't indicative of a job's role, but it's still concerning to say the least, let's hope this isn't the case.

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I understand where you are coming from but if "Gunblade" was a tank it doesn't mean we are going to have more people tank. People who want to tank/heal do and those who don't play don't. Adding more isn't going to change that fact.

Um... I feel like everyone is ignoring one very important fact about the lore of FFXIV, namely the existence of cermet (and other futuristic, in the context of a fantasy setting, materials that may or may not have enhanced properties over their real-world counterparts), Garlemald's exclusive use of it (and it being considered a massive technological advantage that allows their non-magical equipment to compete with the fantasy gear and abilities of the people they conquer), and the likelihood that any self-respecting Gunblade job would have a thoroughly Garlean flair to it, almost certainly reflected in the aesthetics of its AF gear.

The way gunblades have been presented throughout the game, we've been conditioned to think of them as Garleans' weapon of choice, from unnamed officers (whom we see pointing and then firing a bunch of gunblades at us during the rescue mission in AAR, and then again firing salvos at Estinien in later parts of SB) to the majority of named Garlean characters: Cid, Nero (when not using his gunhammer), Gaius/Shadowhunter, Regula van Hydrus, even Zenos (during Asahi's flashback, before he threw it away and decided he liked slicing people with a katana better). And that's not counting all the other gun-weapons they seem to have a penchant for (Nero's aforementioned gunhammer, Nael van Darnus' gunhalberd, Livia's... I had to google this "gunbaghnakhs", and Rhitahtyn's twin gunshields).

Having established that gunblades are so iconically Garlean in FFXIV, let's look for a moment at what Garleans tend to wear which is... oh... actually a lot of cloth. Eorzean, Doman, VIth (Azys Lla) as well as XIIth (Ala Mhigo) Legion foot soldiers go to combat wearing uniforms/light armour rather than anything heavy-looking, regardless of whether they're Eques or Medicus. Which brings us back to modern materials and the well-documented fact that they're weaved into Garlean soldiers' light-looking armour. One source is the item description of damaged/repaired Garlean disguises from AAR, which says the following ("Standard-issue light infantry battle gear reinforced with carbon and cermet fibers to provide maximum protection with minimum loss of mobility." and "Standard-issue light infantry battle helm reinforced with aluminum alloy to provide maximum protection against severe head trauma.") and another is a major plot point in the story. If you were paying attention during one of the post-SB MSQ expositions, you might have learned that the reason Yotsuyu survived getting slashed across the chest by Hien's katana, and then having the roof of Doma Castle fall on her was... her pretty kimono (pls SE... take my money and put it on the MogStation already ,_,), also enhanced with Garlean fibres.

What I'm saying is... Garlean crafting and materials are ages ahead of anything anyone else in the world can produce. They ubiquitously utilize aluminium, cermet and carbon fibre, modern technology that in our world is used in military engineering and spacecraft. And thus equipped, their soldiers across the world are able to go toe to toe with anyone else and consistently win. And when they do make full-on armour, almost anyone wearing it is a boss fight.

So considering all that... doesn't it just make complete sense that a Garlean job that utilises a Garlean weapon would also make use of Garlean protection? For all we know, even if we discount the fact that Thancred has never worn heavy armour, Thancred's stylish coat in the trailer is probably on par with modern body armour and the carbon and cermet fibres that are weaved into it can stop a blade, bullet or raid boss's tank buster just as effectively as any savage-smithed plate, if not better.

And regardless of anything else...

It looks pretty and stylish! n_n And I'm personally excited for a tank class that isn't wearing heavy bulky armour or swinging a heavy brute-force weapon. Not so long ago I said that the moment they add a gunblade job (and if it happens to be a tank) I'll take up tanking. If they confirm it to be a tank... well I have no choice, there will finally be a tank job that appeals to me, thematically and aesthetically. If it doesn't mechanically, I'll complain a lot - as a Machnist main, that wouldn't be anything new to me.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

I understand where you are coming from but if "Gunblade" was a tank it doesn't mean we are going to have more people tank. People who want to tank/heal do and those who don't play don't. Adding more isn't going to change that fact.

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I don't really care about the popularity my dude, since when was adding more DPS going to make the DPS population boom? If anything it takes Tank/Healers away from their jobs to take up the new job that appeals to them, which lowers the population of tanks/healers even further, it's not a good argument man. I just want more variety and keeping the current population of tanks/healers happy is not a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Bonbori

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Thank you for this insight. I must say you've pointed out some really good facts, and given me some relief. Gunblade tanks identity could be that of a technology tank with high mobility if we go off what you're saying, which honestly sounds really cool and unique from the other tanks.

Chivalrous Knight Tank
Pure Physical Strength Tank
Dark Magical Tank
High Mobility/Tech Tank

Sounds good to me.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

I understand where you are coming from but if "Gunblade" was a tank it doesn't mean we are going to have more people tank. People who want to tank/heal do and those who don't play don't. Adding more isn't going to change that fact.

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it certainly can help though i was one of those people who liked Dark knight for what it is and gave tanking a shot
and now i love the entire role and excited for Gun blade tank,
Yes most people who tried ast and Drk were already tank players but even those small amount of DPS players who tried tanking still helped,
and damn the healer role will definitely boom with Dancer.