Seriously, If You're Only Going To Create Designs For Women, Just Genderlock

The regular sweater is definitely unisex, the one with the scarf leans more towards the feminine side, so overall I agree with these

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

First off, let me apologize that these pictures are so small. Could only do the preview option on my guy.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

So the main difference seems to be the length and fittedness? The man in the second picture doesn’t look too far off the game design to me, other than the fantail back added to both gender designs.

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"Fittedness" is a big factor on how feminine it looks.

To those who don't want to Google "Men's Sweaters". I get these results:
http://i.imgur.com/94MSKVE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JOV5Rb9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MvGBP9I.jpg

Damn you, Mal, now I want those sweaters and I can't have them ;-;

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

To those who don't want to Google "Men's Sweaters". I get these results:

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I guess you missed this one:

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Originally Posted by Ilan

http://www.kimwelling.de/images/cate...%20MPGPGDA.jpg

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The Winter Sweater (the one without the scarf) is NOT feminine in design. You’re reaching with that example.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

The Winter Sweater (the one without the scarf) is NOT feminine in design. You’re reaching with that example.

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Are they? I feel like sweaters became a sort of strawman for this thread. Let's go after the one example that even OP agreed wasn't so clear cut, so we can feel like we won. But not feminine is still a far cry from masculine.
Now, if we had only the sweaters to go with, yes, this would've been too much. But it's not. We have repeated instances where the designs do obviously skew towards the feminine variations despite there existing male counterparts for some of those outfits, like the Ao Dai. And when I think of 'guys in sweaters', the examples people bring here to counter usually go along with some gag about a guy forced to wear a sweater like that because "my nana knit it" or something. What comes to mind is more what Mal linked, which proves that there are more masculine variations to sweaters. So when you take the fact SE could've gone with something else, but didn't, and you add it up with other examples where they outright neglected the masculine versions of the outfit, it actually adds up nicely.

I'd definitely like to see more masculine designs for 'casual' glamour gear. There seems to be a feminine or androgynous slant to a great many casual sets these days. The same can be said of hairstyles...and we're getting less of them over time, too.

I'm also not really liking the 'modern real world' aesthetic being embraced for a lot of the newer glamour options...especially when we're still waiting on some of the cool looking glamour used by decorative civilian NPC's.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I guess you missed this one:



The Winter Sweater (the one without the scarf) is NOT feminine in design. You’re reaching with that example.

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I didn't miss one. It wasn't there.

The sweater can be masculine, if we are talking about JP fashion. There's a movement called "Mori," which emphasizes layering, earth tones, and understated fashion. Mori girl and Mori boy. Mori means "forest."

A good blog post defining Mori boy style.

I think jp fashion has a heavier element on costuming than western stuff, and it borrows a lot from foreign trends as much as they innovate themselves. Here is a lovely slideshow by google arts and culture showing some of the trends.. This isn't as much of an issue in the west; i mean, stuff like classic punk is close to it, but I don't think it's as much of a force now.

I do think Magic Mal has a point. Unisex is ok, but they do need more masculine unisex options as well.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I guess you missed this one:
http://www.kimwelling.de/images/cate...%20MPGPGDA.jpg
The Winter Sweater (the one without the scarf) is NOT feminine in design. You’re reaching with that example.

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Just for fun, I asked my husband if he would wear a sweater like that. After a rather long pause, he responded that it looks like something his Grandma would make, and that he'd wear it only because he loves her. :P He doesn't play this game so he had no idea why I was asking him. Now obviously he is not the final voice when it comes to men's fashion, but I have an inkling that may be a fairly common sentiment when faced with that particular sweater. He did like the ones that Mal posted up above.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Just for fun, I asked my husband if he would wear a sweater like that. After a rather long pause, he responded that it looks like something his Grandma would make, and that he'd wear it only because he loves her. :P He doesn't play this game so he had no idea why I was asking him. Now obviously he is not the final voice when it comes to men's fashion, but I have an inkling that may be a fairly common sentiment when faced with that particular sweater. He did like the ones that Mal posted up above.

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I prefer looser fitting clothes to tight fitting ones lol.

I'd avoid Mals "mens sweaters" like the plague.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

I honestly don't get the problem, but maybe because in this day and age....I've had to spend money on black pants meant for guys with deeper pockets in them because the black pants they make for women suck and apparently, we're not allowed to have deep pockets!

Men have weird sizing for their pants though, I mean, I get why and all...but it's just weird...lol.

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Pockets!? Get out of here with that heresy! How are butts supposed to look good with pockets!? Think about the important issues.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

The sweater can be masculine, if we are talking about JP fashion. There's a movement called "Mori," which emphasizes layering, earth tones, and understated fashion. Mori girl and Mori boy. Mori means "forest."

A good blog post defining Mori boy style.

I think jp fashion has a heavier element on costuming than western stuff, and it borrows a lot from foreign trends as much as they innovate themselves. Here is a lovely slideshow by google arts and culture showing some of the trends.. This isn't as much of an issue in the west; i mean, stuff like classic punk is close to it, but I don't think it's as much of a force now.

I do think Magic Mal has a point. Unisex is ok, but they do need more masculine unisex options as well.

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That 1988 Shibuya casual style looks very close to the new spring set we have now.. she's just wearing full jeans instead of shorts.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I prefer looser fitting clothes to tight fitting ones lol.

I'd avoid Mals "mens sweaters" like the plague.

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A couple of them were looking rather tight, especially that red one :X And now that I'm really looking at them, some are quite preppy..but overall that selection is probably more in line with 'normal' guy sweaters. Last time I went shopping for one was never, so I could be wrong :p

Nevermind sweaters, I would much prefer some kind of fancy open blazer style jacket for the guys instead.

What's the taoist's set?

I highly doubt them gender locking Feminine looking glam would solve anything. It sounds like what you want is just more glamour tailored specifically for males and even that's subjective. I'm all for more glamour designs designed only for males, but it's pretty obvious that feminine styles will be the most sought after for both genders.

People from an old thread that were asking for feminine glams for guys would argue with you lol

I personally don't see what's the big deal, if you don't like that something looks too feminine on your guy character then just don't use it, there is plenty of other good pieces for glamour.
Plus the new coat doesn't look that bad (pants and boots can be easily replaced), Spring Bottoms turn into pants for guys and the shirt doesn't look that feminine to me tbh. And where I live there are plenty of people that I see wearing similar sweaters to what we have in game. I've even seen guys wearing uggs simply because they're really warm and black ones look pretty neutral imo.

Gender-locking some things will upset those people who actually like those.

Personally I'd rather see them adding more cool fantasy armour to the game as opposed to items that are clearly designed after real life fashion sensebilities. But I guess that idea of having a coherent immersion died along with 1.0 and people would rather have their characters look like fashion models than adventurers.

Androgyny is fab, yo.

You are worrying about Gender specific attire in a game were guys are running around in the bunny outfit. :rolleyes:

I disagree with you STRONGLY. Maybe people want to be feminine men, or masculine women or maybe somewhere between. Gender and gender expression are NOT binary things, and I find it great that SE to a certain degree respects that by making both genders able to wear most gear they want. Genderlocking is something I hate tbh, let everyone wear whatever they want if that is what makes them happy. :)

Personally I think that everyone should be allowed to pick the masculine or feminine "version" of the gear when they equip it, but I do realize that it would be a lot of work to do, or even just have one or the other.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

I personally don't see what's the big deal, if you don't like that something looks too feminine on your guy character then just don't use it, there is plenty of other good pieces for glamour.

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The 'big deal' is that a significant amount of casual glamour and hairstyles are now feminine or androgynous in nature. Which means that those of us who don't like that aesthetic have to wait multiple patches to get something we like, whereas people such as yourself get new stuff every single patch.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

People from an old thread that were asking for feminine glams for guys would argue with you lol

I personally don't see what's the big deal, if you don't like that something looks too feminine on your guy character then just don't use it, there is plenty of other good pieces for glamour.

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I don't have any male characters so it isn't to dress up any characters of mine lol. It's actually for my partner.

I'm not really fighting for genderlocking female items, I'm making the point of if they're going to design female items all the time and say they're unisex, they might as well genderlock them.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

I disagree with you STRONGLY. Maybe people want to be feminine men, or masculine women or maybe somewhere between. Gender and gender expression are NOT binary things, and I find it great that SE to a certain degree respects that by making both genders able to wear most gear they want. Genderlocking is something I hate tbh, let everyone wear whatever they want if that is what makes them happy. :)

Personally I think that everyone should be allowed to pick the masculine or feminine "version" of the gear when they equip it, but I do realize that it would be a lot of work to do, or even just have one or the other.

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You misunderstand. I'm not actually fighting to lock feminine items, I was using that to try and make a point. I'm trying to advocate for more casual masculine male glamour items that are designed with males in mind but unisex, like all the items designed with females in mind but are unisex.

At this point I feel like there are more unisex feminine glamours than masculine unisex glamours. The only glamours I happen to like seeing are all male genderlocked things these days.. which is not alot.

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Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu

Androgyny is fab, yo.

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Agreed - but for the specific case of androgynous males, it is already the abundant and overwhelming rule. Now if only other options could be available, particularly for healer gear.

I've been saying this sh*t for a long time now on this forum. I'm glad others agree with my feelings on the state of the gear design. I said this in another thread but if they are just gonna make feminine only stuff like those spellcaster DRESSES for example, then just make the gear gender locked or just unisex everything. Don't just go one way and expect the entire playerbase to enjoy it. Not all players are females, not all players play female characters. SE, you need to wake the heck up and see this for what it is. You give females the best looking glamours and gear designs and give men virtually nothing worth mentioning.



What made you think all spellcasters and healers like to wear ugly behind dresses and high heel boots? This isn't Final Fantasy X-2 with a all female line up. This is a MMO that was made to cater to both men and women of all ages. Not just females alone. You alienate a large chuck of the playerbase catering to females all the time imo. We had to literally beg you just to make the damn bunny suits equippable for guys!



If the playerbase had to beg you for male bunny suits, then what you gonna do if you ever make the Viera race in this game? I know you guys aren't gonna make a one gender only race, like FFXI had. You can make male Viera as well. Shoot you did it for Mi'quote, considering they are just updated versions of Mithra from FFXI. If you make male Viera, you'll need to break the habit of female only since I'm telling you now, not all players are gonna be playing female vieras. A lot will be playing male bunny boys, so you'll need to make male equipment suited for them.


In conclusion I'll say this: If you are gonna make a MMO that appeals to both genders, at least treat both equally when it comes to gear and glamour. I'm a MALE spellcaster, and I'm not fond of wearing dresses personally so I want a caster set that is masculine, stylish and badass. If I play as healer, I don't wanna wear housemaid ROBES, I want a gear set that is masculine and appropriate to the job I'm doing. So basically, either hire better people to design gear, make the gear gender locked or just make ALL gear unisex. Don't just make feminine only gear and expect the entire playerbase to be thrilled about it.





Equal opportunity or none at all.




/2 cents

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

I'm not really fighting for genderlocking female items, I'm making the point of if they're going to design female items all the time and say they're unisex, they might as well genderlock them.

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Well it is certainly always nice to have more variety in glamour.
They did release 2 different variations of the same glamour with gender lock on them before, not sure why they stopped. Would be inetresting to see a "male" version of the Ala Mhigan Gown for example.

I think the coat and sweaters and some other things aren't as bad while might be a tiny bit femine, they are still usable for guys. But I do agree most glams are too girly, heck I'm a girl and I wouldn't mind something more unisex. And people complaining about hairstyles as well even at times there are long hairs like the braided ponytail, most new hairstyles are still short and for both genders.

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Originally Posted by Usho

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I think people seem to forget that despite XIV's success in the MMO industry, it's a MMO created by a Asian company. Feminine styles both for men and women will always be the focal point when it comes to them designing cosmetics. Feminine looking glamour/cosmetics will always be the highest in demand, It's like this for every single korean/Japanese online game that has a cosmetic system. I'm all for them designing more masculine looking glamour for males, but the amount of players in not only this game but others as well that want Male-centric cosmetics are definitely a minority. I'm not saying that as a reason for them not creating more for the male player base that plays male characters, just pointing out why it is the way it is.

FFXIV was actually a lot better when it came to varied hairstyles and casual glamour back in the days of ARR and most of Heavenward. It was only towards the end of Heavensward that things took a turn for the worse. The developers even acknowledged the disparity between male and female glamour in a recent interview, but given that they also admitted that it takes months to design new sets it remains to be seen if they're shifting their course.

I also wouldn't consider masculine aesthetics to be something that only a minority desires. Over the years a great many people have spoken up to request more masculine glamour and hairstyles. Some even admitted to only playing a female character because they get more cosmetics.

...and let's not beat around the bush. Many of those downplaying the issue are often doing so because they themselves don't want the status quo to change because they benefit directly.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

They did release 2 different variations of the same glamour with gender lock on them before, not sure why they stopped

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Probably because every time they did, people would complain they want the male variant on their Waifus and SE would give and gender unlock the male variations. So between the extra work down the line, and giving ammunition to people rightly complaining male characters are getting shafted, I think they just skipped a couple of steps. "We're not ignoring you, look! It's unisex!" while completely missing the point

I just googled "men's sweaters" and got something that looks almost exactly like the ingame one in the top row of sponsored links. Maybe we've collectively broken the algorithm searching for aran jumpers or whatever.

Also I did searches for both genders using 'jumper' instead of 'sweater' and got more similar items for men than for women.


Also also, I've seen two people wearing the frilly boulevardier's pants and not the matching shirt. So evidently they're to some people's taste.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm also not really liking the 'modern real world' aesthetic being embraced for a lot of the newer glamour options...especially when we're still waiting on some of the cool looking glamour used by decorative civilian NPC's.

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Originally Posted by Gun-Cat

Personally I'd rather see them adding more cool fantasy armour to the game as opposed to items that are clearly designed after real life fashion sensebilities. But I guess that idea of having a coherent immersion died along with 1.0 and people would rather have their characters look like fashion models than adventurers.

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I agree very much - I'd appreciate more variations of fantasy styles and less modern clothing.

It's not just the glamour sets either. Stormblood's main aesthetic has slid away from it - going from 'medieval' Ishgard to 'modern militia' Gyr Abania was a rude shock - and unless the story takes us other interesting places, I feel like our trip to Garlemald is going to take us even further away from the costume designs I like to see.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

Personally I think that everyone should be allowed to pick the masculine or feminine "version" of the gear when they equip it, but I do realize that it would be a lot of work to do, or even just have one or the other.

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Yes please! I almost always prefer the 'male' versions of outfits. Being able to choose would be wonderful.

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Originally Posted by Usho

What made you think all spellcasters and healers like to wear ugly behind dresses and high heel boots? This isn't Final Fantasy X-2 with a all female line up. This is a MMO that was made to cater to both men and women of all ages. Not just females alone. You alienate a large chuck of the playerbase catering to females all the time imo. We had to literally beg you just to make the damn bunny suits equippable for guys!

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Go back and look at the leveling gear on the marketboard. There are practical-looking outfits like the serge gambisons, Eikon sets, and lots of sensible boots.

Also there seems to be a disconnect between complaining that SE thinks you want to wear female outfits, and the final sentence which seems to imply you were among those begging for the bunny suit!

(Who knows, maybe those constant requests for the bunny suits has made them think that style is what people actually *want* for their male characters...)

So I tried on the much-discussed jumper with my Elezen....

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...6a400c1172.jpg

(I don't know if it counts as fashionable but it sure looks comfy.)

I thought the plain version was too plain, so I got the one with the scarf. It's not super masculine (though neither is he) but I don't think it looks feminine. Your opinion may vary. I won't be offended.

I would love to have that scarf-and-pin over a more fantasy-style tunic.

And a side note to anyone wondering about getting the item for their character after this discussion - the two styles dye differently. For this version the main colour ("rust red" in this case) goes on the scarf and the jumper is pale. Use the same dye on the plain version, and you get a red jumper.



Also, the Spring set. It doesn't look feminine to me, but it seems very disjointed. The pants are an odd fit and not very flattering. The shirt is old-fashioned but the shoes are modern.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...7e8f6d7b89.jpg

The shirt works a lot better in combination with other gear though.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...d986605719.jpg

It's not a modern men's shirt, but works for more of an old-fashioned look.

(I just realised I used it with the Falconer's Pants here, and it's actually not too far off the style of the Falconer's Shirt, or giving the same impression at any rate.)

Though my issue with these sort of shirts in the game (not so much this one, but particularly the Thavnairian and Hannish wool shirts) is that they look like something you'd wear under a vest, and look a bit plain on their own - but of course you can't combine it with other items like you would in reality.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

People from an old thread that were asking for feminine glams for guys would argue with you lol


Gender-locking some things will upset those people who actually like those.

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But this is not Extreme Fantasy XIV, they don't have to stick to the extremes of "androgynous only" or "manly only", they can add some variation every now and then. Also one of the big issues in those threads you mention is that SE had this habit of making female-only glamours with no male counterparts.

I would rather them not genderlock, but I would like them to start focusing on men's fashion (for clothes and hair). Some of these items posted could look good on the male model (like the sweater) when paired with different bottoms, but the items as a set definitely look female geared. If the first one is anything to go by, the male model of the clothes don't change much from their female counterpart's. (Edit: Looks like I was mistaken, Isca's post show that the bottoms change a bit not that they look good XD, but the top do look good.)


Buuut SE loves their cute, adorable little girl models. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nope we need more gender unlocked item...

If male can wear the bunny oufit (and it's awesome) we, Girls, need the male version of the Hempen undershirt !!! i want a tank top ^^

https://image.ibb.co/kBQMGe/hyur_male_front.png

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Originally Posted by Ladygrilka

Nope we need more gender unlocked item...

If male can wear the bunny oufit (and it's awesome) we, Girls, need the male version of the Hempen undershirt !!! i want a tank top ^^

https://image.ibb.co/kBQMGe/hyur_male_front.png

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The tank top should be for all genders and races. Locking it to Hyur still is just silly.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

The tank top should be for all genders and races. Locking it to Hyur still is just silly.

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I'm going to run on the assumption that this wasn't sarcasm. If it was my apologies, ignore me.

How can you say this tank top with a lacing detail is okay to be unisex but a sweater is somehow too androgynous?

This feels like some real picking and choosing.

It might be that your ideas of masculine and feminine clothing styles are different than those of other people. That's cool, it keeps the world interesting, but perhaps don't try to argue that your ideas should be enforced on the whole game then.

None of the outfits here are distinctly gendered. Look at WHM AF3 for crying out loud!

People just need to enjoy the glam options we have. There is a ton of variety to be had. Do I want the female Elezen hempen top? More than an Ultimate clear. I still find ways to glam within my means, though.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

So I tried on the much-discussed jumper with my Elezen....

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...6a400c1172.jpg

(I don't know if it counts as fashionable but it sure looks comfy.)

I thought the plain version was too plain, so I got the one with the scarf. It's not super masculine (though neither is he) but I don't think it looks feminine. Your opinion may vary. I won't be offended.

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This is just adorable. 10/10, please continue.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

I think they should unlock all the underwear sets for everyone like they said they'd consider doing years ago. Racial underwear... seriously?

I don't want them to keep making female-only glamour with no male counterparts. That really ticks me off. If androgynous/feminine is the best they can do to compromise then I guess I can live with it... though it seems like a really half-hearted attempt on SE's part. There's no harm in making masculine gear for everyone to wear (and the people who play females but are tired of being stuck in cute clothes all the time would be happy too). I don't think anyone would unsub if a few patches had manly gear instead of what we've been getting for well over a year now.

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My take on this is that much of the combat gear (outside of healers and sometimes casters) is rather masculine so the glamour options lean feminine to balance the scales.

I know bringing practicality into a fantasy game isn't always the best idea but like it makes sense we aren't getting a cute sweater or denim cutoffs for beating a raid boss in a way. That should reward more armorey armor and it does.

I'm not opposed to more masculine glam options but it seemed like when they make them and leave them open to female characters as well people get bent out of shape about it. SE isn't ever going to lock any large amount of glam behind playing a male character because the vast majority of people play women. I'm not saying it's inherently fair but it's a reasonable decision from a business perspective. A vegan cafe doesn't suddenly change half their menu to steaks.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

The tank top should be for all genders and races. Locking it to Hyur still is just silly.

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I think they should unlock all the underwear sets for everyone like they said they'd consider doing years ago. Racial underwear... seriously?

I don't want them to keep making female-only glamour with no male counterparts. That really ticks me off. If androgynous/feminine is the best they can do to compromise then I guess I can live with it... though it seems like a really half-hearted attempt on SE's part. There's no harm in making masculine gear for everyone to wear (and the people who play females but are tired of being stuck in cute clothes all the time would be happy too). I don't think anyone would unsub if a few patches had manly gear instead of what we've been getting for well over a year now.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

I'm going to run on the assumption that this wasn't sarcasm. If it was my apologies, ignore me.

How can you say this tank top with a lacing detail is okay to be unisex but a sweater is somehow too androgynous?

This feels like some real picking and choosing.

It might be that your ideas of masculine and feminine clothing styles are different than those of other people. That's cool, it keeps the world interesting, but perhaps don't try to argue that your ideas should be enforced on the whole game then.

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Yeah it wasn't sarcasm. On the sweater, I was comparing it to the sweaters I see in my own mall stores, and the Google search "Men's Sweaters", and I didn't see any Aran Jumpers 3/4 down the page scroll, yet I can buy them for in the same stores in the women's section, and Google search "Women's Sweaters" does come up with a few Aran Jumpers not even a 1/3 scroll down. But I had already given up on defending the sweater because of all the resistance I got. I still wouldn't think a guy is attractive in it but that's my opinion of course

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None of the outfits here are distinctly gendered. Look at WHM AF3 for crying out loud!

People just need to enjoy the glam options we have. There is a ton of variety to be had. Do I want the female Elezen hempen top? More than an Ultimate clear. I still find ways to glam within my means, though

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The Ao Dai is actually the women's Ao Dai, no doubt. It was discussed a few pages ago.

The Ala Mhigan gown is definitely women's fashion. Check out the knot and lace tied through the collar. My store sells those exact shirts actually!

For that winter set, those uggs... the bane of my high school years. The only boys I've ever seen wear those were the feminine gay ones. I say feminine gay because there's masculine gay and stuff. As for the jacket? I just think it's feminine..

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Originally Posted by Ladygrilka

Nope we need more gender unlocked item...

If male can wear the bunny oufit (and it's awesome) we, Girls, need the male version of the Hempen undershirt !!! i want a tank top ^^

https://image.ibb.co/kBQMGe/hyur_male_front.png

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I wouldn’t want to play a Midlander so much if I could wear that tank top as every other race.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Yeah it wasn't sarcasm. On the sweater, I was comparing it to the sweaters I see in my own mall stores, and the Google search "Men's Sweaters", and I didn't see any Aran Jumpers 3/4 down the page scroll, yet I can buy them for in the same stores in the women's section, and Google search "Women's Sweaters" does come up with a few Aran Jumpers not even a 1/3 scroll down. But I had already given up on defending the sweater because of all the resistance I got. I still wouldn't think a guy is attractive in it but that's my opinion of course


The Ao Dai is actually the women's Ao Dai, no doubt. It was discussed a few pages ago.

The Ala Mhigan gown is definitely women's fashion. Check out the knot and lace tied through the collar. My store sells those exact shirts actually!

For that winter set, those uggs... the bane of my high school years. The only boys I've ever seen wear those were the feminine gay ones. I say feminine gay because there's masculine gay and stuff. As for the jacket? I just think it's feminine..

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To me the hangup about the Ao Dai is weird. You're taking it's irl equivalent and applying it to a fictitious example. Ao Dai are not any more bound by irl examples than anything else in Eorzea. Look at the physics. That place is not earth.

I feel like this could devolve into the same core discussion that your race baiting thread did where the base argument is whether or not Eorzea needs an injection of irl realism. I am of the mind that it does not. I can separate the two. Just because men don't really wear that sort of sweater that much in today's fashion doesn't make it feminine.

Also, not to beat the dead horse, but that sweater is a cable knit sweater. I supervised buyers for a major retail company for several of the last five years. Men wear cable knit sweaters. Not generally in pastel colors I'll grant (though around Easter anything goes) but it does happen. It may not be a younger person fashion but it's certainly not because of a gendering issue.

Overall it just seems like you're up in arms about nothing. I don't see the problem with unlocking these things to both genders just as you have people of both genders irl who wear clothes intended for the opposite sex. There is very little comfier to me than putting on a large t-shirt that belongs to my boyfriend and sleeping in that. It is men's clothes.

If anything we should be asking for less gender locking not more.