SE pls end X\FC# per account & remove GrndFathered multiple houses owned by 1 person

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

they have outright stated numerous times they never intended for players to have multiple houses

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Please can you demonstrate where you got this information from?

Before 4.2 the housing information has always said that the requirements were per character, not per account.

Or are you mixing this up with their dislike of people reselling housing?

Not the right idea guys. Can we push for expanded apartments, workshop availability for homeless FCs, or even Ward alternatives like a form or instanced housing?

I get it that some multi-plot owners just rub folks the wrong way but taking their stuff really won't magically make the system work. We should push for long term helpful changes and not short term gain.

I don't have any problem with players being grandfathered in tbh.

I don't like that players are still taking advantage of loopholes and blatantly working around restrictions and then coming to the forums to brag about it. Personally, I'd like to see a gm post on this subject detailing what is punishable, and if any restrictions have been lifted and why. Because if there are no longer any restrictions to how many fc houses a single account can own per server, I don't think that's fair to the average person who doesn't abuse the system, who likely works trying for just one but comes up empty handed every time while others are so willing to cheat any chance they get. I can understand the complications of only allowing an account access to a single fc with housing per server, and I'd honestly be okay with multiple fc houses being allowed as long as there was a cap of two or three. but IMO this allowing hoarders to run rampant both in game and on the forums needs to be addressed.

Why is this still a conversation. If you're on a small server, this doesn't even matter, and if you're on a full server, the miniscule amount of houses this would open up would be gone in a day. The 'solution' will be more houses, which will still not satisfy every personal house demand(hopefully it'll take care of some of the outlier FCs by giving them first grab like last time), but clearly there will not be enough for a personal for everyone. Since the major complaint appears to be server space, an infinitely scaling system of individual houses probably wouldn't be a solution anyway, and frankly, I like wards. Housing isn't that interesting if no one is able to randomly pop in and say hello. (Like and leave a message plox).

I have one extra house - I was grandfathered in. I use it regularly for RP on the character that owns it.

Most of the folks trying to defend those of us with extra homes don't speak for me, and I can understand the frustration of others. I find this conversation exhausting from both sides, tbh.

It's a broken system. Less broken than it used to be, but still broken. The apartment system needs to be expanded into something other than overly expensive FC rooms. If we could upgrade apartments into bigger and more viably useful spaces, I'd give up my second home for someone else in a heartbeat - having a yard is nice, but I rarely use it.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

It really wouldn't. While poorly implemented, they have outright stated numerous times they never intended for players to have multiple houses. Furthermore, you'd piss off less than a 100 people while making many more happy. Someone with twelve houses may throw a fit and quit, but that opens up twelve houses to other players. It wouldn't hurt their business in the slightest.

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The problem is, it opens the door for them to do this with other things. It sets a precedent for them to be able to do this kind of thing again, to anything. People did not break the rules, so they should not be punished. That is why they were grandfathered in. To go back on that now does not paint SE in a good light, and it will 100% effect more than just the multi-home owners. I have 1 house on my account (I don't own my fc, so I do not count that one), and I fully think that it would be a bad move for them to remove houses from people that obtained them before the new system. After the new system was put in? By all means, do what you want there.

I stand by what I said. People need to stop looking at each other as the problem, and start looking at SE and demanding that housing stop being a pointlessly finite resource.

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Originally Posted by AriesMouse

The problem is, it opens the door for them to do this with other things. It sets a precedent for them to be able to do this kind of thing again, to anything. People did not break the rules, so they should not be punished. That is why they were grandfathered in. To go back on that now does not paint SE in a good light, and it will 100% effect more than just the multi-home owners. I have 1 house on my account (I don't own my fc, so I do not count that one), and I fully think that it would be a bad move for them to remove houses from people that obtained them before the new system. After the new system was put in? By all means, do what you want there.

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QFT. Grandfathering is important because it means nobody will be punished for breaking rules that didn't exist when they committed actions that would be considered in violation of those rules. It's about more than housing, it's about player trust.

There's no reason to punish grandfathered players as long as they did not continue to obtain additional houses after the new per account per world rules went into effect. They did nothing wrong because at the time they purchased, the rules were per character.

The ones that need to be punished are those who exploited the system to obtain additional houses beyond the new limit after the new rules went into effect. They're the ones generating this drama.

In the meantime, there are worlds like Coeurl that still have several hundred smalls if not also mediums available. If someone wants a house that bad, they're waiting for you. This applies to those who want multiple houses as well if they don't have a house on those worlds already. It just takes creating or transferring a character. As long as housing remains available on the low pop worlds, SE is unlikely to address the issue on the high pop worlds.

Again, there hasn't been any ongoing restrictions regarding how many newly purchased FC houses you can have on a single service account. The limitation lasted two weeks.

So i have multiple houses on my other service account, why would I been punished for following rules?

Also, while I can only speak for my own server, there is 100+ houses still available, while not larges there is lot of medium and smalls.

Houses will always be limited. At some point in the future servers will be merged and tons of houses will go. They need to balance demand with the long term viability of having hundreds of seperate instances on servers that people may or may not play. I think the current rules are fine. It might be more helpful to design the next new plot after Shirogane with more medium or larger plots, or God forbid, double prices.

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Originally Posted by MaybeOliverB

I love how everyone still fails to see that some the Temporary Changes to Purchasing Land listed haven't been effective for months.

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You do realize this thread was made in specifically because of your actions on the official forums, right?

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

So where was the announcement on your end? tried looking saw nothing contradicting. -.-/

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You do realize, someone hard in exploiting a loophole would found out when they would stop needing to do that would know best when SE never announced it.

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Originally Posted by Hamada

You do realize this thread was made in specifically because of your actions on the official forums, right?

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Wow, I'm important.

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Originally Posted by MaybeOliverB

Wow, I'm important.

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No, you're just a customer that SE would be better off without because you cause more headaches for them than the small amount of your handful of subscriptions makes up for.

Also, the rules are still in effect. Feel free to go look at the housing info page. It still states one personal and one FC house per account per world. Lack of enforcement doesn't mean the rules were removed. They're still able to action your account at a time of their choosing for the exploit you have engaged in and continue to promote in their forums. I would imagine that most players would agree the sooner the better so the drama you intentionally provoke will go away.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

No, you're just a customer that SE would be better off without because you cause more headaches for them than the small amount of your handful of subscriptions makes up for.

Also, the rules are still in effect. Feel free to go look at the housing info page. It still states one personal and one FC house per account per world. Lack of enforcement doesn't mean the rules were removed. They're still able to action your account at a time of their choosing for the exploit you have engaged in and continue to promote in their forums. I would imagine that most players would agree the sooner the better so the drama you intentionally provoke will go away.

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Didn't think someone wouldn't see the irony. Somehow you have.

I think I'm in a more favorable position to talk about what rules are in effect regarding houses than you will ever be. Anyway, what lack of enforcement? The game wouldn't allow you to purchase more FC houses during the two weeks moratorium. There was an actual error message displayed in the middle of the screen/chat. Now there's not. Surprising? Not really when its being listed as a temporary rule.

If you believe I have no countermeasures if my houses are taken away or if my accounts are banned for any reason, I got news for you :)

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Originally Posted by MaybeOliverB

If you believe I have no countermeasures if my houses are taken away or if my accounts are banned for any reason, I got news for you :)

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So you're threatening SE with unspecified consequences if they decide to enforce their rules they have published and remove any houses from your account(s) that you've gained through your exploit?

/grabs the popcorn

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

So you're threatening SE with unspecified consequences if they decide to enforce their rules they have published and remove any houses from your account(s) that you've gained through your exploit?

/grabs the popcorn

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Seems like you cannot discern sarcasm/irony AND the meaning of certain words too...

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...countermeasure

Seriously though, how am I exploiting something that's working as intended?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

No, you're just a customer that SE would be better off without because you cause more headaches for them than the small amount of your handful of subscriptions makes up for.

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How is having a handful houses across multible accounts causing "headache" for SE? He's literally spending sub on multible accounts to SE, its win-win.

Sure there will be some players that dislikes that but housing is widely still available on 90% of the servers. If housing is a dealbreaker for you, move server. I have 300-400 available houses on my server.

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Originally Posted by MaybeOliverB

Seems like you cannot discern sarcasm/irony AND the meaning of certain words too...

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...countermeasure

Seriously though, how am I exploiting something that's working as intended?

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Haters gonna hate ? Lol

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Originally Posted by Luna-M

How is having a handful houses across multible accounts causing "headache" for SE? He's literally spending sub on multible accounts to SE, its win-win.

Sure there will be some players that dislikes that but housing is widely still available on 90% of the servers. If housing is a dealbreaker for you, move server. I have 300-400 available houses on my server.

Haters gonna hate ? Lol

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I've yet to hear any legitimate complaint regarding players who own multiple houses. Casual players keep saying that we're using limited resources that more players could benefit from. The problem with that statement is that every single day on a server like Gilgamesh, there are vacant plots in Mist/LB/Ghetto Goblet and sometimes Shirogane. 14 hours after maintenance this week, there was still ~10 plots ready to be purchased across these housing areas. Nobody was in front of the placards spamming macros or just plain AFK.

It takes 45 days for a house to be demolished. That's a lot of time given to the owner, who doesn't even play, for a limited ressources that hasn't been used whatsoever. I would suggest they reduce the amount of unoccupied days before demolition to 3. That way, more houses could be available across all servers, all the time. Casual players who refuse to put the effort into acquiring a house complaining that they can't get a house will finally be happy and the real culprits of the current housing situation, on decently populated servers, will no longer gloom over the housing districts.

I also suggest they quadruple the current prices.

So is there any grandfathered houses on any of the full servers... eg Balmung?

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

So is there any grandfathered houses on any of the full servers... eg Balmung?

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Probably. Why would SE pick and choose who they grandfathered and who they didn't? I'd say if they met the requirements pre 4.2patch, even a Balmung account(or other crowded servers) is/are safe.

Safe for now, remember it say gameplay experience requirements may change over time somewhere in the ToS... could care less.. it is mostly some of the attitude from some of the people involved in it that bothers me.. and that part should bother SE as well, they should had enforced the new rules like any other company would had done with a proper warning of course of when or put a limit on how many houses there can be per account which could be nailed down to 1 house and 1 FC house fair and square.

We don't own our accounts either at all, we rent the account from SE to play on their terms and signed a contract for it for being able to play the game as well, guess only thing we do own is a copy of the game whether digital or box version.

The larger issue is that retroactively removing people's houses wouldn't make a dent in the perceived issue anyway. The whining would start again after the 2.5 seconds it takes for the tiny amount of extra houses were depleted AND it would piss off multiple house owners. It's a lose lose and they shouldn't do it.

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Originally Posted by Reylinn

The larger issue is that retroactively removing people's houses wouldn't make a dent in the perceived issue anyway. The whining would start again after the 2.5 seconds it takes for the tiny amount of extra houses were depleted AND it would piss off multiple house owners. It's a lose lose and they shouldn't do it.

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Exactly. Good point.

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Originally Posted by Reylinn

The larger issue is that retroactively removing people's houses wouldn't make a dent in the perceived issue anyway. The whining would start again after the 2.5 seconds it takes for the tiny amount of extra houses were depleted AND it would piss off multiple house owners. It's a lose lose and they shouldn't do it.

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Preach~♥

The problem is, people are way to short sighted to even think of this, which is unfortunate. They would rather be angry with each other instead of looking at the bigger picture. Glad to see some people can see the real problem at least.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Safe for now, remember it say gameplay experience requirements may change over time somewhere in the ToS... could care less.. it is mostly some of the attitude from some of the people involved in it that bothers me.. and that part should bother SE as well, they should had enforced the new rules like any other company would had done with a proper warning of course of when or put a limit on how many houses there can be per account which could be nailed down to 1 house and 1 FC house fair and square.

We don't own our accounts either at all, we rent the account from SE to play on their terms and signed a contract for it for being able to play the game as well, guess only thing we do own is a copy of the game whether digital or box version.

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Actually most companies grandfather customers who would have something taken away from them with new rules of purchase or play. I think SE, who is the only entity that knows the true number of multiple house owners, determined it was better all around to allow people keep what they had rather than face further player ire for taking away something that would not provide any relief to the housing shortage. As I've also said they have a real money problem as well with the cash shop purchases if they start yanking houses out from under players who did nothing wrong.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

So is there any grandfathered houses on any of the full servers... eg Balmung?

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Of course there is. Why would there be not?

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Safe for now, remember it say gameplay experience requirements may change over time somewhere in the ToS... could care less..

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While I can't predict the future i have a very hard time seeing SE taking away houses that been purchased legitimately and followed the rules. Imagine the PR nightmare. I would also argue that housing purchase and use is not a gameplay experience, it's a fluff thing like glamour.

This isn't the first time we'll see this kind of comment and it will not be the last. Housing problems have been around for at least 3 years by now and no changes apart from recently with 4.2 purchase (for new plots) taken effect.

I do not forsee any retroactive adjustments being made. It makes no sense from a business perspective.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

So you're threatening SE with unspecified consequences if they decide to enforce their rules they have published and remove any houses from your account(s) that you've gained through your exploit?

/grabs the popcorn

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exactly. I just love how they can get away with posting how they broke the rules, and attack people.

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Originally Posted by Hamada

exactly. I just love how they can get away with posting how they broke the rules, and attack people.

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Broke what rules?

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Originally Posted by Luna-M

Broke what rules?

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I think they might be referring to the trolling multiple personality player with all of the FC houses that were bought after the housing changes went into effect.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

I think they might be referring to the trolling multiple personality player with all of the FC houses that were bought after the housing changes went into effect.

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How rude of you.