So out of alll the summons /primals of past final fantasy games,which do you want?

Magus sisters fa sho

Tonberry King all the way. Oh ans Hades, that would be Epic.

Carbuncle!

It's always been my favourite, I guess since when I played Hana and Kibou on Southern Cross, Carbuncle was their patron Spirit.. sort of. Okay technically Alexander but Carbuncle was directly between them and Alexander but..

Anyway. Carbuncle!

GIlgamesh fits perfectly into the FFXIV universe... like in FF12:
Gilgamesh Fight


when it comes to summoner pets: of course carbuncle!

Yojimbo and shīsā the lion dog http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...ns/ffx-130.jpg

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GIlgamesh fits perfectly into the FFXIV universe... like in FF12:
Gilgamesh Fight


when it comes to summoner pets: of course carbuncle!

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I second Gilgamesh and carbuncle. Though I'd prefer Gilgamesh as simply story-related battle, not a summon. Genji Armor anyone? Carbuncle would be self explanatory as a staple for the SMN; low cost, but multi utility summon.

edit: Heck, Gilgamesh doesn't even need to be a battle, he could be an NPC as well, /cough. As long as he is incorporated in an interesting way.

As far as the current confirmed primals are concerned, I'm happy with what they have. I'd have liked it better if Ifrit was more beast-like, as in 10 and 8, rather than demonic, but the one we have is great too.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

In all fairness, SE hasn't brought back any of the final (ultimate) summons in the main series since FFVI *unless Crusader (JP= ジハード 'Jihad') = KotR, which I don't necessarily agree with.


FFVI = Crusader
FFVII = Knights of the Round
FFVIII = Eden
FFIX = Ark
FFX = Magus Sisters (*not originally a summon in FFIV)
FFXI = N/A -- we can't say what the final summon is yet
FFXII = Zodiark (*from FFT, but not main)
FFXIII = No real ultimate summon since all chars got their own.

I'd prefer to leave KotR as FFVII's legendary final summon. The ultimate summons are part of what gives each game their character.

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Bahamut is usually seen as the ultimate summon for some FF titles, and in FFXI he is a boss and not summonable. I do not see the issue here of why Knights of the Round cannot make a return with other very powerful summons and monsters alike, and its for that same reason why I do not see a problem we're getting crystal tower, and a meteor like disaster like in FFVII here in FFXIV.

The window of opportunity is there to be open. FFXIV can take everything that works and use it in its own way as content.

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Oh, and..

Eden > Knights of the Round - by a long shot.

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Although that is not fact but an opinion. Was that statement really necessary to prove something?

A few of my favs:

http://homepage.mac.com/cheethorne/ff8/images/siren.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy.../Quezacotl.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...I-Phoenix.jpgf

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../Carbuncle.jpg

http://www.ffcompendium.com/EspMon/cactaurcc-o.jpg

http://static02.mediaite.com/geekosy...ocobo_x270.jpg

http://rrbgames.com/wp-content/uploa...3/tonberry.jpg

Alexander plz

Oh, and Ark of course.

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Originally Posted by LazKai

I second Gilgamesh and carbuncle. Though I'd prefer Gilgamesh as simply story-related battle, not a summon. Genji Armor anyone? Carbuncle would be self explanatory as a staple for the SMN; low cost, but multi utility summon.

edit: Heck, Gilgamesh doesn't even need to be a battle, he could be an NPC as well, /cough. As long as he is incorporated in an interesting way.

As far as the current confirmed primals are concerned, I'm happy with what they have. I'd have liked it better if Ifrit was more beast-like, as in 10 and 8, rather than demonic, but the one we have is great too.

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I'd like to see Gilgamesh be something of a "We came for {insert boss name} but we got Gilgamesh instead" kind of thing. He'd have his own, unique loot list and difficulty tuned to (or maybe a bit more than) the encounter. Something of a reoccurring encounter kind of character (like what he originally was like in FFV) with goals parallel to the main antagonists.

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...Dark_Anima.png

Only the best of them all!!

BAHAMUT, KING OF DRAGONS!

This guy
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs50/f/20...y_leumas11.jpg

http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/psx/f.../Image2330.jpg
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z..._Carbuncle.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...II-Phoenix.jpg

I also loved the summon designs for XII and XIII, so I hope they are all well detailed summons, whatever they choose to use.

I think the Magus Sisters would be awesome to see! And I could just see them creeping out from within the bowels of Gridania.

I think i should be a able to be summoned :) For i would kick so much ass :)

I think Siren would fit into FFXIV.
She could be near Limsa luring sailors to their deaths.
You could make it interesting by fighting her on a boat at sea.
Make her have a "pretty" form and then transform into some ugly sea undead witch for a second form.

Although I would love to fight Hades/Anima.

One of the things Final Fantasy has that FFXI (not many) and FFXIV didn't do, is 2nd-3rd forms/stages of the boss.

I would love to see them add a Leviathan fight that has the players fighting from a boat in the water. Same thing with some sort of ariel battle similar to the one from FFX. Maybe have a Shiva battle in snowy white out conditions? I remember the Diablo fight in XI being fairly interesting because you had to manage dangerous terrain AND the boss itself. I really love the concept they have for a free roaming Odin nm though, and would LOVE to see this model of boss fight a bit more in game.

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I'd also like to meet Gilgamesh or maybe FFVI Terra in her Esper form as a trial or something like.

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I've changed my mine. This. ^

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Although that is not fact but an opinion. Was that statement really necessary to prove something?

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True, it was an opinion.

I posted it in response to this opinion:

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Originally Posted by Andrien

Knights of the Round summon is the pinnacle of summons. 13 gigantic knights going berserk on the toughest of bosses. The other reason is because it reminds gamers of Final Fantasy VII, where this summon was last seen. It’s about time we bring the Knights into this generation.

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My point was that when it comes to the "pinnacle of summons" (which I take to mean epic-ness as damage in all ff games is dwarfed by FFXIII) Knights of the Round doesn't really compare to Eden, or even Ark, or Exodus. But hey, to each their own ;)

By the way, FFVII isn't just the where KtoR was last seen, its also where KotR was only seen.

The only substantial argument for KotR's inclusion over any other recent ultimate summon is that FFVII needs special consideration due to it's popularity. I'm not in favor of repeating ultimate summons for the reasons I stated earlier.

Also, we've got Materia from FFVII. I would rather we draw from other FF titles first before we go back to milking that cow again.

I'd say there's already plans for Bahamut. There's a gate in Coerthas called "Wyrmking's Perch".

It's not the summons I care about as much as the manner in which they appear. FF8 had by and far the best summons in all FFs combined (FFXI comes as second best). How so you ask? It was the only game that Odin appears unceremoniously into a battle and slaughter the enemy. Gilgamesh takes Odin's place when he get killed and Phoenix appears out of nowhere if you have his item to save your @ss in a battle.

FFXI tried that with Ixion the wandering summon and I wish more ideas come like that. I guess Odin in FFXIV is going to be like that from the description and I wish other summons do the same. (say doom train for example appears out of nowhere to take you to a different realm, the void may haps?)

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My point was that when it comes to the "pinnacle of summons" (which I take to mean epic-ness as damage in all ff games is dwarfed by FFXIII) Knights of the Round doesn't really compare to Eden, or even Ark, or Exodus. But hey, to each their own ;)

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I think I understand what you're trying to say. Sure it doesn't compare to Eden, Ark or Exodus because it may not look fabulous, but KoTR packs more punch to the damage. I'm sure you know VII is the first Final Fantasy title on the PSX, and at that same time it was considered amazing. Over time SE(Square Soft at the time) got better with the hardware and you get crisper looking graphics that looks more pretty, and with sparkles. That is why Bahamut never really looks the same, but it is still Bahamut.

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The only substantial argument for KotR's inclusion over any other recent ultimate summon is that FFVII needs special consideration due to it's popularity.

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Great that it is popular, all the more reason why it is a good idea to include it in FFXIV.

I wouldnt mind seeing the 3 sisters primal fight..........Lets go all the way back to their original versions too where you had to kill them in specific orders in order to prevent them from uber buffinf/raising/curing each other!

Magus Sister Thev ^^

Gotta be Shiva! Just sayin'...

Bahamut would be my main choice, but I would like to see Tonberry King!

I'd want Bahamut, Cerberus, Odin, Omega and Ultima. Even if they don't make them into summons, I want to slay those bitches in 14.

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I think I understand what you're trying to say. Sure it doesn't compare to Eden, Ark or Exodus because it may not look fabulous, but KoTR packs more punch to the damage. I'm sure you know VII is the first Final Fantasy title on the PSX, and at that same time it was considered amazing. Over time SE(Square Soft at the time) got better with the hardware and you get crisper looking graphics that looks more pretty, and with sparkles. That is why Bahamut never really looks the same, but it is still Bahamut.

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KotR does 129,987 damage max, FFXIII attacks can reach 999,999 in a single hit. So raw damage is not really an argument for inclusion.

As far as graphics, I find FFVII's Neo Bahamut to be a far more stylish implementation of the Wyrmking than the interpretations found in FFX or even FFXIII. Art direction is much more important than graphic power.

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Great that it is popular, all the more reason why it is a good idea to include it in FFXIV.

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SE has gone overboard in trying to squeeze every last drop of money out of FFVII. I'm sure I'm not the only one that is tired of it.

That's not to say that the KotR concept couldn't be used again in a different way. Replace them with redesigned Ark Angels and you have my vote~

Of course, it becomes a new summon then.. which is a bonus as well. :)

Phoenix has to be a personal favorite, always wanted it in XI
Rebirth Flame -> Raisega3/Fire aoe would have been awesome

I'd love to see Siren, Phoenix and Carbuncle. :3

Definatly would love to see Doom Train as a summon

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/3...1phpss3338.png

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

KotR does 129,987 damage max, FFXIII attacks can reach 999,999 in a single hit. So raw damage is not really an argument for inclusion.

As far as graphics, I find FFVII's Neo Bahamut to be a far more stylish implementation of the Wyrmking than the interpretations found in FFX or even FFXIII. Art direction is much more important than graphic power.

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First of all, you need a certain accessory to break the 9999DMG limit in FFXIII. Secondly hardware power helps a lot in the art direction, as far as details go.

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SE has gone overboard in trying to squeeze every last drop of money out of FFVII. I'm sure I'm not the only one that is tired of it.

That's not to say that the KotR concept couldn't be used again in a different way. Replace them with redesigned Ark Angels and you have my vote~

Of course, it becomes a new summon then.. which is a bonus as well. :)

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That is like comparing Bahamut with Leviathan, change the skin and call them different names. No thanks.

Lets agree on that and call it a day.

I remember a similar thread from a long time ago... lol

• Bahamut
• Anima
• Diabolos/Diablos
• Fenrir
• Phoenix
• Ixion
• Quetzecoatl
• Leviathan
• Odin
• Cerberus
• Doomtrain
• Shiva
• Eden
• Adrammelech
• Zodiark

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Definatly would love to see Doom Train as a summon

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I'm curious as to how that would work in an MMO...

Would Doom Train follow you around?

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I'm curious as to how that would work in an MMO...

Would Doom Train follow you around?

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Summoner doesn't have to be a pet class. It could just be a huge train that comes out of nowhere and plows into the enemy!

As boss battles:

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs5/i/200...by_bonzega.jpg

Definitely alexander and bahamut. I love the idea of Ark Angels returning as a boss battle in XIV, but I don't think they work as a summon. Other creatures I would want to fight:
-Titan
-Anima
-Cerberus
-Doomtrain
-Shiva
-Ifrit
-Gilgamesh
-Yojimbo
-The Magus Sisters

Things I would love to use at my own discretion as a summoner:
-Valefor
-Carbuncle
-Quetzacotl
-Ramuh
-Fenrir
-Ixion (along with fenrir, possible mountable summon similar to class specific mounts in World of Wa...never mind.)
-Phoenix
-Asura
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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

In all fairness, SE hasn't brought back any of the final (ultimate) summons in the main series since FFVI *unless Crusader (JP= ジハード 'Jihad') = KotR, which I don't necessarily agree with.
FFXI = N/A -- we can't say what the final summon is yet

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Depends on which way you're referring to final, since we know Cait Sith and Atomos are basically the last summons for players, but in terms of lore yeah we don't know yet lol.

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As boss battles:

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs5/i/200...by_bonzega.jpg

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Alexander or Carbuncle for me. If Alexander is added and is this size make him a dungeon/boss that would be something to see