Make fast Feast ranked rewards available in Feast Normal Farming rewards

It's not a matter of unique mounts, but story stuff shouldn't be time-limited and only for 100 pvpers. If they put Lyse's coat in there instead, you'd still get the same complaints. You can make the pvp mount as breathtaking as you like, just leave story-influenced rewards out of it.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

just leave story-influenced rewards out of it.

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It's been a while, can you remind me what role the chair played in the story?

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Originally Posted by Kisama

It's been a while, can you remind me what role the chair played in the story?

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About the same role Y'shtola did, show up for a cutscene or two.

I don't really recall Air Force playing a big role either, but I don't think people would have liked it if they stuck that mount in Feast either.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Why don't they remove the rewards/title from ultimate coil, people play it just for fun!!! Said no person ever.

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I guarantee the majority of people who cleared Ultimate would still have progged it for absolutely no rewards. Many outright said they would. You think the likes of Elysium, Angered, 7th Bakery and etc give a damn about a title? They like it, however they all progged Ultimate for the sheer thrill of clearing an incredibly difficult fight. In fact, the World First group's tank acknowledged he played Dark Knight for fun despite Warrior being a superior option.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Did you notice how much more civil the version of this thread in general chat became when you hit your daily post limit?

Stop putting other people's suggestions into your own warped little quotes.

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How about you respond to the fact you support arguments that legitimize RMT instead of personally attacking me? Oh right, you know it's wrong. You just don't want to admit it.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I guarantee the majority of people who cleared Ultimate would still have progged it for absolutely no rewards. Many outright said they would. You think the likes of Elysium, Angered, 7th Bakery and etc give a damn about a title? They like it, however they all progged Ultimate for the sheer thrill of clearing an incredibly difficult fight. In fact, the World First group's tank acknowledged he played Dark Knight for fun despite Warrior being a superior option.

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I find it amusing you come in this thread to argue with me rather than acknowledge that your arguments are contradictory and not consistent at all in the other thread. It's alright though, I'm sure you ignored it because you know were supporting double standards.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

How about you respond to the fact you support arguments that legitimize RMT instead of personally attacking me? Oh right, you know it's wrong. You just don't want to admit it.

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The sheer irony is profound. Suppose it's okay when you do it though. ;)

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Originally Posted by Aviars

I find it amusing you come in this thread to argue with me rather than acknowledge that your arguments are contradictory and not consistent at all in the other thread. It's alright though, I'm sure you ignored it because you know were supporting double standards.

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I was waiting for this response, especially seeing how desperate you were for my acknowledgement. I didn't reply because there isn't a point. You twist people's words around, argue in circles and resort to childish ghost editing. I commented here since it's a separate topic and you're once again spewing baseless assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

resort to childish ghost editing..

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16 minutes between the edit and you posting.... clearly me trying to bamboozle you.

Keep finding excuses to not respond to the argument

you're all arguing about the wrong thing lmao, the real request that should be made is to keep deeply lore-connected items away from feast exclusive timed rewards. exclusive rewards is part of pvp whether you like it or not, end of story. but things like Lyse's coat as mentioned above and the chair should simple not be this rare and hard to get when it's completely unrelated to feast. have we finally come to an agreement?

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Originally Posted by Crit

you're all arguing about the wrong thing lmao, the real request that should be made is to keep deeply lore-connected items away from feast exclusive timed rewards. exclusive rewards is part of pvp whether you like it or not, end of story. but things like Lyse's coat as mentioned above and the chair should simple not be this rare and hard to get when it's completely unrelated to feast. have we finally come to an agreement?

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If they want to maintain some exclusivity in PvP, they should make a trophy or plaque housing item. Come to think of it, a good comparison may well be Youtube.

Silver - 100,000 Subscribers
Gold - 1,000,000 Subscribers
Diamond - 10,000,000 Subscribers

Now apply these tiers to Feast in some manner and I feel we have a potential compromise. It retains the competitive aspect while creating a wholly unique reward that isn't being lifted from PvE content just to bribe people into Feast. It also feels more inline with a tournament structure. At least I believe so.

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Originally Posted by Crit

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We saw these exact same sorts of posts when the hellhound mount was announced. People always have, and always will complain as long as pvp gets exclusive rewards. But that said, this is actually a pretty valid point

Where in the world did I say anything about legitimizing RMT?

I'm an omnicrafter. if I earn 100 mil Gil and someone goes out and buys that much, do I get my panties in a wad over it?

Absolutely not. It's on them if they want to risk their account. Does it upset the economy? I'm sure it does, but Gil is fleeting and the economy rights itself.

You're comparing apples to oranges. You're trying to plant all kinds of statements in people's conversations because you think you know them or their motivations. You strip away all semblance of meaningful discussion and attack, attack, attack. Why? Why does it bother you that other players would like a legitimate chance to earn items that are some 2 years old already??

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

You're comparing apples to oranges. You're trying to plant all kinds of statements in people's conversations because you think you know them or their motivations. You strip away all semblance of meaningful discussion and attack, attack, attack. Why? Why does it bother you that other players would like a legitimate chance to earn items that are some 2 years old already??

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I make those arguments to show contradictions in your arguments, not that you are ever going to admit it anyway. You like to cite cheating as if it's a good reason to make these rewards available to you over and over again. However, there is cheating all over the place in this game, whether it is Paid Savage content, Script Cheating, RMT or w.e. But it's obvious that the overall game design isn't created TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE CHEAT.

I really can't make the concept more simple. Sometimes you just need to admit the basis of your argument is wrong.

If savage content had limited time rewards available for only the world first team to clear it per data center, you'd have people raising hell about that too.

Arguing for other methods to get top 100 PvP rewards is, to be blunt, just being lazy or adverse to PvP. Anyone can say all day "we should be able to get X reward by doing Y instead" and that's their opinion and it's not necessarily wrong, but it doesn't invalidate the current method of getting the mount from top 100. If there's no legitimate reason why top 100 is a bad way to reward players, then really there is no excuse to just using the current system to get the reward you want other than "I want to do something else instead".

And so far the arguments against the legitimacy of top 100 have been a joke. Cheaters don't affect top 100; there's a reason the hacker who rhymes with Bount Crusef had to resort to win trading when hacking movement speed and cast times couldn't even get him diamond. Win traders do get top 100, but their effect has been vastly overblown. There have only been 2 successful win traders that high on the Aether ladder because it takes so much effort to win trade several throwing characters up the ladder to even get into matches with the main, and they have to go through several precautions to not get caught. But their existence doesn't invalidate the achievement because their effect is the same as if the reward was top 98 instead, which is pretty much the same system unless you're the two people shut out. If you're one of those two then come back and I'll concede that you got screwed.

The time needed to get top 100 is reasonable, and it's not a ridiculous grind like spending a year of Rival Wings to get a title. As others have said, people have full time jobs and still get it; I have a full time job and a relationship and I got 2 characters to top 100 and a 3rd to diamond. At worst, adjust your life priorities to commit the time needed, and if you aren't willing to do that then why do you deserve the reward? And arguing whether top 100 is a skill achievement or a time committed achievement doesn't invalidate as a means of rewarding effort.

Queue popping is at worst an issue you have to work around and not something stopping someone from getting top 100. Queue at prime time or follow streams to see when players are playing. Yes queues slow down, but with initial activity lasting at least a month you have plenty of time to try. And it's still active enough after that to climb your way out. I climbed on my alts 1 and 2 months after the season started; I had to wait longer for matches, but they were there. I know someone who transferred servers 2 months after the start and climbed to where they could get matches consistently.

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Now to those who argue against the time limitation of the rewards, I can understand that frustration. I mean plenty of games have stuff released early that you can never get, but that doesn't mean it's a good system. But for this argument, the most true system would just be top 100 can get any past top 100 reward. That should be fine, and arguing for anything less is against the merit of the top 100 system and not the time exclusivity, where you can refer to above.

Arguing that the chair mount reward doesn't match thematically is true. But arguing that because of that you should be able to get it from other methods is just an opinion; just because the theme doesn't match doesn't mean the reward is bad or invalid.

No one is playing it on Primal, even healer queues are long...

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Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

No one is playing it on Primal, even healer queues are long...

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Well if people have to choose between this game's PvP and mindlessly grinding trash mobs in Eureka...

So, is there any reason that Feast rewards from more than 2 seasons ago shouldn't be obtainable? I mean, outside of the trophies.

Would it really hurt anything?

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Well if people have to choose between this game's PvP and mindlessly grinding trash mobs in Eureka...

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More like that Eureka rewards are tangible.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

I make those arguments to show contradictions in your arguments, not that you are ever going to admit it anyway. You like to cite cheating as if it's a good reason to make these rewards available to you over and over again. However, there is cheating all over the place in this game, whether it is Paid Savage content, Script Cheating, RMT or w.e. But it's obvious that the overall game design isn't created TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE CHEAT.

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All I've ever said is that I'd like the rewards to be attainable again (it has been what, two years?) but over time. It's a reward that a lot of people would like to work toward. Want to keep it in Feast or PVP in general? I have no problem with that. But don't act like everyone on the top 100 of the leaderboards across every data center is some shining beacon of skill, because they are not.

Many are, but many are not. And if I were you, I wouldn't want to be lumped with a bunch of people who win-traded, hacked and generally made a mockery of the ranking system. Just because "everybody does it", doesn't make it okay.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

But don't act like everyone on the top 100 of the leaderboards across every data center is some shining beacon of skill, because they are not.

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For the most of it, just patience and time to be able to sit throught queues.

I'll let quotes speak from here.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Want to keep it in Feast or PVP in general? I have no problem with that. But don't act like everyone on the top 100 of the leaderboards across every data center is some shining beacon of skill, because they are not.

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And arguing whether top 100 is a skill achievement or a time committed achievement doesn't invalidate as a means of rewarding effort.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Many are, but many are not. And if I were you, I wouldn't want to be lumped with a bunch of people who win-traded, hacked and generally made a mockery of the ranking system. Just because "everybody does it", doesn't make it okay.

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Originally Posted by Mantrus

And so far the arguments against the legitimacy of top 100 have been a joke. Cheaters don't affect top 100; there's a reason the hacker who rhymes with Bount Crusef had to resort to win trading when hacking movement speed and cast times couldn't even get him diamond. Win traders do get top 100, but their effect has been vastly overblown. There have only been 2 successful win traders that high on the Aether ladder because it takes so much effort to win trade several throwing characters up the ladder to even get into matches with the main, and they have to go through several precautions to not get caught. But their existence doesn't invalidate the achievement because their effect is the same as if the reward was top 98 instead, which is pretty much the same system unless you're the two people shut out. If you're one of those two then come back and I'll concede that you got screwed.

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The feast reward should remain only in ranked mode for a limited time, however there is absolutely no valid reason for it to be just the top 100, SE could make it top 200 or even top 300 and players will still be battling it out for position to get the rewards. As of right now there is an incredible amount of players with alts in the top 100 and SE have shown they care very little to make improvements on the feast game mode.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

The feast reward should remain only in ranked mode for a limited time, however there is absolutely no valid reason for it to be just the top 100, SE could make it top 200 or even top 300 and players will still be battling it out for position to get the rewards. As of right now there is an incredible amount of players with alts in the top 100 and SE have shown they care very little to make improvements on the feast game mode.

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The reason to keep it at top 100 is just as equally valid as any other possible reason: because it's an arbitrary gating value SE decided was right for the reward. Top 100, 200, 300, play 500 matches... The validation for any reason is arbitrary and up to SE.

If SE goal is to get more players engaging in PvP and reduce the toxicity they are doing it all the wrong way. I seriously think a group of children can hatch out a better plan.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

If SE goal is to get more players engaging in PvP and reduce the toxicity they are doing it all the wrong way. I seriously think a group of children can hatch out a better plan.

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What is the correct way?

The game mode as is, I'm not going to get into, but simply adding back chat to allow for strategy planning and communication and increasing the top 100 to top 200 is a very small minor fix. It alone solves like a ton of issues and complaint but still make the game mode competitive.

The medal system can be change as well to allow for similar goal of which team gets the most medal at the end wins. So many matches where new players refuse to pick up medals and as a range I'm cap at 150. And I just can't communicate to my new teammates to get them. The quick chat does not help. Again, minor small changes goes a long way in improving the game mode and not make it so frustrating especially in the middle of a match with limited communication.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

The game mode as is, I'm not going to get into, but simply adding back chat to allow for strategy planning and communication and increasing the top 100 to top 200 is a very small minor fix. It alone solves like a ton of issues and complaint but still make the game mode competitive.

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Help me with the logic here.
The toxicity of the players is the cause of the chat ban, but you believed that in order to reduce the toxicity the chat ban should be removed?

The toxicity I believe was the current game mode was not viable for new players. At the time there was to many buttons, you had all your pve abilities plus PvP abilities plus you had to rank up in PvP level to increase the effectiveness of your PvP abilities. The match making was also ineffective as diamond and platinum can be pair up with unrank and bronze.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

The toxicity I believe was the current game mode was not viable for new players. At the time there was to many buttons, you had all your pve abilities plus PvP abilities plus you had to rank up in PvP level to increase the effectiveness of your PvP abilities. The match making was also ineffective as diamond and platinum can be pair up with unrank and bronze.

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I hope you are right, truly, but that is not really what I have been seeing on tryhard discord.
To stay positive, maybe there is light of hope since Wolfden Pup discord seems to be more friendly to new player.

I'm not talking about now, I was referring to 2.0 - 3.0 when they made the decision to cut off chat.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I hope you are right, truly, but that is not really what I have been seeing on tryhard discord.
To stay positive, maybe there is light of hope since Wolfden Pup discord seems to be more friendly to new player.

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What you mean by that “more friendly”, sounds like pvp community known as toxic for no reason

When you trying your best to cover everyone in sight and healing 160k as pld cause your healer just standing in middle like a light tower, never kite or use cooldowns properly
But you know no one would see all these efforts cause your healer didn’t even know what cover was
You lost the game, then the healer asking you “what can I do better”

EVERYTHING

Why you expect ppl being nice to this shit, when the situation happening 10 times a day

And in many cases, we offer our experience trying to help and being nice
Then new ppl playing worse than a bot goes like “fk off don’t tell me how to play”
Or, they messed up all the things but they thought not their fault, so what they doing was blaming others by spamming nice job

I can’t be nice anymore

Stop implying ppl are not friendly etc
No one loves to be toxic AND No one ought to always be nice

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Originally Posted by Arthur_Gwen

Stop implying ppl are not friendly etc
No one loves to be toxic AND No one ought to always be nice

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I don't need to debate you on the toxicity of player base, because chat ban already explains everything.
What is wrong of saying Wolfden pug discord is more friendly to new player than Tryhard discord?
People learns quicker from actual combat experience instead of reading something on the internet.

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Originally Posted by Kisama

It's been a while, can you remind me what role the chair played in the story?

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it belongs to the absolute best npc in the game and i love aulus

He is awesome. I want his whole outfit.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

The toxicity of the players is the cause of the chat ban

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No lol. Did you even play feast that time when chat was allowed?
PvE Chat is as toxic or even more as PvP chat ever was but nobody would ever ban it.
It's just that they don't want to read all the reports of grumpy players who blame their teammates on a lose and think they found something in the chatlog that could warrant a ban. It's less work for GM, feast quickchat spam is not so much an issue.

You can go in a full premade ranked match and you are not allowed to communicate with your teammates/friends with the normal chat. But as soon as you create a custom game it works,why? Where is the logic in that? They think I would insult my friends only because it is a ranked match and then they even would report me?


The have the autotranslate system in the game, it would have been an better option as to create another communication tool with quickchat commands buttons, which keep any strategy down to a very basic level.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

No lol. Did you even play feast that time when chat was allowed?

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Don’t judge from the profile, been there before Feast even exist. What you just said is typical defense statement by using SE as scapegoat. It is not whole truth.

I've posted previously that relying completely on quick chat commands is like tying your hands and feet and then throwing you in a lake and telling you to swim.

I'm glad the new team mode allows for chat. Now, they just need to reset the leaderboards.

Training mode "may" pop if some rewards were tied to it, and if they enabled chat solely for training mode it would help those of us that are trying out feast for the first time that do not wish to lower the ratings of other players. I do feel bad going into ranked without any experience but only way to gain experience is by doing.

Would be better to have chat enabled across the board, I have ran into some toxic players that have created alts just to tell me not to queue after marking me with ignore, but as I tried to tell them before they logged off "Do what I am doing try to get better, since clearly you are not as good as you think you are if you cannot carry some unranked pleb in a bronze tier match." Though the are few and far in-between and I will not let them discourage me from playing. I do think players would benefit more if chat was enabled across the board, but that will never happen so hopefully they do it for training mode at the very least and tie some incentives to get people interested in the queue since as I mentioned it is not desire to bring down the ranting of others, but I wish to get better and reading / watching information regarding the feast will only get you so far.

SE could also do a pop up before the match begins with reminders of what the rules are? But that's too complicated and to advance for SE to figure out.