House Timer RNG

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

they don't publish players who are banned so has no deterrence effect for the population at large.

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And this is their mistake. I remember when i played GW1 ArenaNet didnt have any problem to publish how many account were banned each quarter... and i can tell you there was a lot of them. Sometimes measured in thousands or even tens of thousands.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

There is no such thing as a permanent ban. All a player has to do it create a new account

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But dont forget each time they need to buy entire game, so the cost isnt only paying a RMT for lost stuff but each time they must spend for the game itself and they will think more than once if they really want to risk. For the buyers the pressure will be always bigger than for RMT for the fact they could lose everything.
This of course will not completely eradicate all the RMT but it could lower the amount to some acceptable levels, as there is no online game without RMT. The point is to have constant pressure on buyers and RMT will drop as the demand drops. Even if you remove houses from RMT there are tons of other things what are enough "motivating" to keep this whole RMT story in perpetual motion.
Last but not least, honest player really cant be against banning everyone involved in RMT so why not...

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Originally Posted by Madbunny

And this is their mistake. I remember when i played GW1 ArenaNet didnt have any problem to publish how many account were banned each quarter... and i can tell you there was a lot of them. Sometimes measured in thousands or even tens of thousands.

But dont forget each time they need to buy entire game, so the cost isnt only paying a RMT for lost stuff but each time they must spend for the game itself and they will think more than once if they really want to risk. For the buyers the pressure will be always bigger than for RMT for the fact they could lose everything.
This of course will not completely eradicate all the RMT but it could lower the amount to some acceptable levels, as there is no online game without RMT. The point is to have constant pressure on buyers and RMT will drop as the demand drops. Even if you remove houses from RMT there are tons of other things what are enough "motivating" to keep this whole RMT story in perpetual motion.
Last but not least, honest player really cant be against banning everyone involved in RMT so why not...

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This is my last iteration as it is obvious you have your beliefs and I have mine. SE does publish the number of bans. However knowing that 10K anonymous players were banned does nothing to stop people from violating the TOS. Even if SE were to name the players it is a very small group of people that would have a relationship with the banned player. Look I'm not against more aggressive banning on SE's part but the only thing that will fix housing is for SE to develop a system that allows for unlimited houses (a fully instanced housing option is my preference). No matter how many band-aids SE puts on the current system there will always be incentives for RMT to find and exploit loopholes. Also as long as housing is seen as a status symbol there will be players who will do just about anything to obtain a house or houses. Unlimited housing is the only way to stop this.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

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You are right but again failed to see bigger picture. Lets say you put unlimited houses in the game this will just remove one small fraction for RMTers to sell as they are left with tons of other stuff to exploit for money. So your position sounds as it comes from someone who doesnt have a house than "lets try to fix RMT on a global scale". How removing just one item from hundreds of them exploited by RMTers will change anything? What is next? Unlimited items in each chest so RMT cant sell their runs as you finish the dungeon once you have all the items... including other 7 or 23 people...

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Originally Posted by Madbunny

You are right but again failed to see bigger picture. Lets say you put unlimited houses in the game this will just remove one small fraction for RMTers to sell as they are left with tons of other stuff to exploit for money. So your position sounds as it comes from someone who doesnt have a house than "lets try to fix RMT on a global scale". How removing just one item from hundreds of them exploited by RMTers will change anything? What is next? Unlimited items in each chest so RMT cant sell their runs as you finish the dungeon once you have all the items... including other 7 or 23 people...

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This thread isn't about RMT in general. It is about housing and the RNG timer which was only put in place in an attempt to stop house flippers by making it hard to relinquish a house so a buyer could assume ownership. The RNG timer like the other bandages SE has put on housing leaks like a sieve and doesn't fix the problem it is intended to. SE's housing system is one big CF and needs a total redesign for a lot more than RMT but as RMT is a hot button it just might motivate SE more than some players complaining about not having a house.

As far as ownership goes I've owned a house coming up on two years. Just because I have one doesn't mean I'm not going to advocate for those who don't or play a white knight and say "I've got mine" so everything is okey dokey. The housing system stinks and RMT is just a part of it.

So a week ago I was just randomly checking and saw a plot open in the Goblet. I went and tried to buy but BAM got that timer for personal plot blocking me. So I sat there for maybe an hour seeing as I had nothing to do at the time. While sitting there someone came up and was looking at it. I kept trying every minute or so while they were there. Next thing I knew there was a house on the plot. I asked if they bought new or moved and they said they moved. I was pissed, not at them but at SE. I just don't understand how current owners get priority over those that don't even own a plot. Sure you can say that when someone moved their old plot opens up with an RNG timer on it for personal purchase.

Well the following day low and behold I found the exact same plot location just in another ward open. So I'm like wth, I'll try once more. I sat there for 9 hours! From 2am till 11am. Yes I did get the plot. I was shocked however I personally felt like crap from lack of sleep.

Good job SE.

P.S. This 1k character post limit is also stupid.

Or buy houses with a currency only useful for housing that did not involve Gill or money.. but hey that's just common sense I guess.. or trip 18 sets to 56 wards each I'm sure no one would miss a house..

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Originally Posted by Gralna

Blame the house flippers that made the housing market so bad that SE had to step in, and it wasn't always just individuals buying flipped houses either, there were quite a few FCs that were shelling out gil and sometimes $$ for a flipped house.

Would be nice though if there was some kind of visual indicator though that a house was available to be purchased.

Do wish you luck though in getting your FC house :cool:

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Cause adding more plots to full housing servers would just be a craaaazy idea am I right?

I honestly hope they add more plots. I'm beginning to hate camp for 10-12 hours—or more—only to lose it to someone moving in. I hate the fact that bypasses those of trying to honestly purchase a house. I don't fancy sitting for hours on end just to get a house. I've got stuff to do in real life, SE.

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Originally Posted by Gethsemane

I honestly hope they add more plots. I'm beginning to hate camp for 10-12 hours—or more—only to lose it to someone moving in. I hate the fact that bypasses those of trying to honestly purchase a house. I don't fancy sitting for hours on end just to get a house. I've got stuff to do in real life, SE.

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Yup, I'm sitting here on my 3rd camp now since I decided I had the GIL to go for a house, been here since 0300, it's now 1035 and the house has been "available*" since midnight since it was on a 12 hour devaluation. Though I heard they go up at 1800 not 2400 so if that is true... I only have to wait till 1600. We'll see

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Originally Posted by Casra

Cause adding more plots to full housing servers would just be a craaaazy idea am I right?

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just as crazy as you learning how "Adding more plots" isn't as simple as a flick of the switch. Nor would adding more plots fix the issue.

It's honestly crazy. I'm on my sixth camp since yesterday right now. Let's hope I'll get lucky at some point. GL on getting a house.

Good luck.
I tried for more hours then that, and still with no luck. I hope you guys get a plot for you all to call home. I just think you should be prepared with snacks, drink, and remember to use the loo before that, because you can expect to hang by those placards for hours on end.

oh yes, don't over do it. Stop ones your wrist gets swollen and hurt. Don't do like me and end up with damaged sinews for nothing.

This house timer is crap. When you wait for 2 hours to buy a house and some other player transfer there home from another location is bs. I think that should be disabled, people should get equal chance to get the house or make wards or make the timer not random. I know this don't matter it falls on death ears, but I'm sure other agree about the housing crap.

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Originally Posted by Lunaghost

This house timer is crap. When you wait for 2 hours to buy a house and some other player transfer there home from another location is bs. I think that should be disabled, people should get equal chance to get the house or make wards or make the timer not random. I know this don't matter it falls on death ears, but I'm sure other agree about the housing crap.

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This is why you go for bad Goblet plots that no one in their right mind would relocate to. Then you can relocate to a better plot.

I don't get why the timer for one is so long, I mean I read something about it being from 30 min to 22+ hours... I mean wtf!? I get, that they want to give everyone a chance to see an available plot, before it's resold again, but people need to sleep and work as well. People with an actual life can't stay up the whole night hoping to get a house. congrats, I saw that a plot is open, however I need to go off so I won't die tomorrow at work so it's simply a show of what I can't have.

And why don't they give some kind of vague feedback on how long the timer will last? like: "The plot is unavailable for purchase, it looks like it will take some time for it to be purchasable again." and "It looks like the plot is about ready to be purchased."
It would give everyone a chance to see if it'll be worth to spend the next 8 hours sitting there staring at a stupid board or go to sleep and wake up a bit earlier the next day and hope that you didn't sleep past the timer. I mean I'm against a visible timer as well. Bots would rule the market and people with high-ping would never get a house at all, but I think making the timer-mechanic a bit more transparent would benefit every possible buyer and make people waste less time on a house which will be available around 4:30 am.
I mean I don't want to waste my whole night on standing there clicking like a maniac just so my FC can actually use an airship/submarine, however, if I want that for my FC there's no other way than that or risk my account and try to buy an FC via reddit.

I would prefer the housing timer to be MUCH shorter, say 7 days. So that all of these people with a alts sitting on houses they use once every month-and-a-half have to work for their greed and ego.

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Originally Posted by Veridian

I would prefer the housing timer to be MUCH shorter, say 7 days. So that all of these people with a alts sitting on houses they use once every month-and-a-half have to work for their greed and ego.

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You mean everyone but them? Still sounds good to me though.

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

This is why you go for bad Goblet plots that no one in their right mind would relocate to. Then you can relocate to a better plot.

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Even those plots are better then nothing, considering people sit around on those too.

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Originally Posted by Veridian

I would prefer the housing timer to be MUCH shorter, say 7 days. So that all of these people with a alts sitting on houses they use once every month-and-a-half have to work for their greed and ego.

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So if someone takes a two week vacation and don't take XIV with them somehow, they lose their house? Lol, no.

I basically think it's just too long - if they shortened the maximum time it would help a lot.

You guys make no sense. If there is no timer at all, it's first come first serve and then you will be complaining again because you didn't get it. If the timer is known to be like 2-4 hours people will camp anyway. It won't change a thing.

Just keep trying, just last month I helped 3 people to get a house by just going around and seeing which timer is the shortest and trying them out. Instead of whining and being in game for years without a house means you aren't doing something right. There are still houses in new servers, if you whine and housing is more important what is keeping you from jumping servers for the house? Stop whining if these free houses aren't good for you.

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Originally Posted by Leloa

Just keep trying, just last month I helped 3 people to get a house by just going around and seeing which timer is the shortest and trying them out. Instead of whining and being in game for years without a house means you aren't doing something right. There are still houses in new servers, if you whine and housing is more important what is keeping you from jumping servers for the house? Stop whining if these free houses aren't good for you.

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Not everyone posting here is playing on one of the EU data centers. Most of them are playing on the NA data centers, where available housing was close to non-existent even before demolition was suspended. NA data centers don't have any new worlds with plenty of available houses.

People are not going to pay to transfer to an overseas data center when it means leaving their friends behind and getting a poorer game experience due to higher ping. You might as well stop your own whining about people whining because it's not helping the situation.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Not everyone posting here is playing on one of the EU data centers. Most of them are playing on the NA data centers, where available housing was close to non-existent even before demolition was suspended. NA data centers don't have any new worlds with plenty of available houses.

People are not going to pay to transfer to an overseas data center when it means leaving their friends behind and getting a poorer game experience due to higher ping. You might as well stop your own whining about people whining because it's not helping the situation.

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Then that means they don't care enough.

If you reaaaally want a house and seriously are crazy about getting that house, you could just move. Or, buy a Free Company. Players do sell them. The options are there for the taking, but if gameplay and friends are more important, then that means the house isn't that important.