Please remove gil cap

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Originally Posted by Elamys

There is a lot more drama than is necessary in this thread.

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Seriously.

I mean the energy some of these folks put into trying to trash this dude, I don't even have enough to read through let alone write, is telling about your character.

Anyhow, regardless of his intentions for amassing gil, there is a lot of gil in the system and I can't help but wonder how storing it will not eventually become a problem. The standard subscription allows for two retainers, so having more than 3 billion (not counting FC chest) will cost additional fees. While probably not currently a widespread problem, 3 billion is not an inconceivable amount for dedicated crafters to hit.

Inflation is real, hell I remember when I had 16 m and I thought that was an infinite amount, took a couple years off and came back to find out I was broke. To be honest though, its hard to imagine SE wanting to increase the gil cap with RMT and all, but they seem to be doing just fine without it so you never know.

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Originally Posted by Shalice_Icefrost

Im unable to use a service I'm paying for because of this limitation which forces me to use alt characters.

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There are caps on other currencies too such as tomestones but it's advisable and generally accepted to spend some to uncap oneself. The same thing works with gil; you can avoid being capped by buying items for yourself or for friends, or move some to alt characters like you said yourself since it is a tradeable currency. Since options already exist it shouldn't be viewed as a broken feature; retainers are working as intended and can continue earning once you uncap them using whatever method you prefer. If your goal as a player is to profit infinitely and not spread it to other characters/players then you'll again reach the new cap were it to be increased, deliberately causing an avoidable problem.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

As I was saying before though it's a non-trivial change to the game's basic systems to alter the gil cap beyond what it currently is. And I have to point out that the number of players who would benefit from such a change is ridiculously tiny. You have effectively infinite money and you're complaining that it isn't enough. While I do understand that you've basically exhausted the content you enjoy in the game (making money), the change you're asking for is absurd.

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This guy has the right of it. A potentially difficult change to implement which has no benefit to almost the entire global playerbase... To be honest it's also of no benefit to the two billionaires who are asking for it, since refusing to spend gil on items for yourself and friends removes the only function that a currency has. You could buy stacks of very valuable items and hoard those, start viewing those items as material wealth so it's compatible with your wealth addiction, in doing so preventing your gil from being capped and thus no changes to the game need be made.

Removing the gil cap is probably only gonna happen if many other players can earn the gil like the topic creator did. Until that happens, the chance of the cap being increased from the current amount is extremely low to none.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

There is a lot more drama than is necessary in this thread.

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Agreed. This got out of hand for no reason. I stated in my original comment that I wasn't trying to attack the OP, which is exactly what I ended up doing. My apologies.

For that same reason I decided to stop commenting or answering to not draw more negative attention to the topic. My request for devs is serious, and I have no intention to brag, but you have to admit under this circumstances there is absolutely nothing I could say that won't qualify as bragging for some people here.

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Originally Posted by Shalice_Icefrost

For that same reason I decided to stop commenting or answering to not draw more negative attention to the topic. My request for devs is serious, and I have no intention to brag, but you have to admit under this circumstances there is absolutely nothing I could say that won't qualify as bragging for some people here.

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I suppose you're right about that. Again, my apologies.

This thread has given me something to strive for. I am serious as I was trying to figure out what to do with my FFXIV career and Savage/Extremes are not it. Buying a large house is one and filling it with nice toys.

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Originally Posted by WilhelmWhite

Agreed. This got out of hand for no reason. I stated in my original comment that I wasn't trying to attack the OP, which is exactly what I ended up doing. My apologies.

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Hey I frequently get too aggressive on these forums too <.<

How about implementing a special "clear demimateria" type item that one can buy/sell from a special npc, for some obscene amount of gil (let's say anywhere from 1 million to 100 million). The item would be market prohibited and untradeable, so the item could not be transfered to other players, unless convereted back into normal gil. Perhaps make it so the user can only sell said item back, for the original value, if they sell it on the server they originally purchased it on. The item could stack to 999, like any normal item. It would give players an additional option to "store" gil, and it would take advantage of the current sytem. As far as I could tell, it wouldn't affect memory size of the entire player base either. They would have to add a new item, and perhaps the new exchange npc.

Considering how many people actually reach that limit is so extremely few it's not worth doing so even if it's possible.

I almost had the same problem, well I'm not as wealthy as you but i always keep my gil on the retainers so I don't get those "spend for useless stuff period" crisis, and the first retainer was full then I had to place on the second retainer.

Raising a 1billion gil cap even though a character can store 1bil more in a company chest and 1bil on each retainer? Why?

Definition of wealth is how much you have - this isnt just gil. I made my billions with MB manipulation. I buy massive hoards of saturated items, sit on them, and hopefully resell at higher demand. I imagine most with billions do the same thing.

Keep it invested. 1bil gil is worthless - its not making you money sitting in your bottom right screen. You must invest it to have value. With 999 sitem stacks and a saddlebag now? All the easier to invest - stockpile mats/materia for updates, even try buying discontinued items - elemental materia just made that list. A few billion is a great amount of money, but by no means are you maxed out on wealth.

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Originally Posted by Falling

Raising a 1billion gil cap even though a character can store 1bil more in a company chest and 1bil on each retainer? Why?

Definition of wealth is how much you have - this isnt just gil. I made my billions with MB manipulation. I buy massive hoards of saturated items, sit on them, and hopefully resell at higher demand. I imagine most with billions do the same thing.

Keep it invested. 1bil gil is worthless - its not making you money sitting in your bottom right screen. You must invest it to have value. With 999 sitem stacks and a saddlebag now? All the easier to invest - stockpile mats/materia for updates, even try buying discontinued items - elemental materia just made that list. A few billion is a great amount of money, but by no means are you maxed out on wealth.

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You dont seem to understand. I have around 13b right now.
Regarding the rest of your post, no item in this game holds any gil value for too long. Not even houses. I know exactly how the system works, I could "invest" 3 billions of that in buying whatever you think is worth something from the MB, and I would still have no space to save the actual gil. Every piece of materia, allagan piece, minion and mount, expensive glamour included. Discontinued mats? sure, I already have tons of them saved just in case.

Technically, it would be a huge challenge (with some risks)

Firstly, change the code (server and all clients) to handle a much larger number (assuming it's passed around as a 32 bit integer, then the max is 2.14 billion), going beyond that means using a 64 bit integer.

Then the underlying database has to be taken offline, a new 64 bit variable created there, all the data migrated (which, depending on the database software, could mean a total dump and reload).

Then when that's been completed, change the code to load and store it from the server software, pass it to the client from that now 64 bit server variable and finally spin everything back up again.

So you're talking about every character and every retainer on every server needing data migrated from one variable(or column in RDBMS terms) to another one, with the risk that a coding slip-up or 'hiccup' would result in overflow setting a sign bit somewhere and turning someone's gill into a negative few billion.

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Originally Posted by mariannef

So you're talking about every character and every retainer on every server needing data migrated from one variable(or column in RDBMS terms) to another one, with the risk that a coding slip-up or 'hiccup' would result in overflow setting a sign bit somewhere and turning someone's gill into a negative few billion.

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Which is why any good programmer, IT person would have a backup of the known good version.

Let’s do the liberal thing and take her wealth and give it to us people who don’t have it.

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Originally Posted by BoazJochin

Let’s do the liberal thing and take her wealth and give it to us people who don’t have it.

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ever heared of Mansa Musa?

The reason you've had the kinds of responses you have, is because this proposed change benefits... pretty much just you.

It'd be like me asking the devs to rename Thancred after me, and I don't need to give anyone a reason why I want that, I'm paying my subscription and I only get validation out of videogames when there's an NPC named after me.

In addition, it's virtually a non-problem that there are ways around, and ways intended by SE to be used, but you're just outright refusing them because "reasons".
So It's like I could just make my own character and name it after myself, because that's an option available to everyone, but no, I want it to be an NPC.

Perhaps if you were willing to personally reimburse them for the effort in making this change, (I don't know, maybe $100,000 would cover it) then they might consider it.
That should let you know how absurd a suggestion this really is, and explains why most people think you're just bragging, because the suggestion itself has no merit and the result is merely attention and announcing that you have literally all the gil in Eorzea.
If you're not bragging, you may as well close this topic.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

The reason you've had the kinds of responses you have, is because this proposed change benefits... pretty much just you.

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Absurd or not, it is up to the players to request changes they would like. No matter even if it benefits one person or the masses, this is the place we are told to come request enhancements. Anyone who takes offense or interprets it as bragging is just way too damn sensitive. The OP has already clearly stated this is their motivation to play and as a paying subscriber if they cannot further that motivation then they lose the will to subscribe. Sure the OP could go buy items that can be placeholders for the cap but it takes away the primary motivation still.

Imagine if gear increases didn't actually increase the damage you do. Instead it worked the opposite way. If you didn't gear up you would do less damage. For example, I hit level 50 wearing 45 gear and I do 500 damage to a level 50 creature. When I attack a level 45 creature I do 1000. The level 50 creatures don't have any more health than the level 45 and for me to increase my dps I have to gear up. Great so I get level 50 gear and now I am back to 1000. Great I am back on par to what I was doing before. New patch comes out with a new iLvl and I am back to doing 500 damage until I can get the new ilvl gear to get back up to 1000. My DPS potential is capped at 1000. I can't do anymore but I can do less without proper gear. If this continued even to SB from ARR, the raiders and players would be furious. We like big numbers. They are satisfying and for the OP the number they care about is how much is in their bank.

So while you may deem it unreasonable or absurd this again is their primary motivation and it is no less bragging than the person who shows off the recent pony or World First. It is an accomplishment just like getting a world first clear. The amount of time the OP invested to get to the gil cap in the first place.

Speaking of vendor trash, rather than asking for a gil cap increase, why not ask for a shop that sells exchangeables? Could even seek new exchangeables to be made available only from that shop. Items are sold at exactly same price they are bought back for, stackable, untradeable, and serve no other purpose in the game. The items can be flagged for server transfers - no transfers with any in your possession. With that in place, sky's the limit without overhauling the entire system coding. The top exchangeable could be 100mil each. 99 stack is 9.9bil. 999 stack? 99.9bil. All in one inventory space. All done by only creating one vendor selling one item. Tailor to other people by making similar items with different exchangeable amounts.

Make items like those and you'll never reach the max wealth - servers will die first.

Only problem? SE's intentions. They might not want you to be able to attain more wealth. If thats the case, you best keep finding workarounds.

Out of curiosity. I was unaware of a cap. What is the cap?

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Originally Posted by Biridan

Out of curiosity. I was unaware of a cap. What is the cap?

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999,999,999 basically 1 billion

The problem with accruing that much wealth is you become a liability to the server - given that you could crash the economy practically single-handed at any time, if you chose to.
I doubt SE would want to encourage you to get even more.

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Originally Posted by Ilyrian

The problem with accruing that much wealth is you become a liability to the server - given that you could crash the economy practically single-handed at any time, if you chose to.
I doubt SE would want to encourage you to get even more.

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Pretty much this. OP could already crash the market yet want's even more power to crash it. You obviously don't need that much gil or you'd have never accumulated it to begin with.

Sorry OP - limitations exist for a reason. Maybe it's time to consider an early retirement.

Yeah, I just don't know what anyone would want that much Gil for? I don't spend much on the MB, as there isn't really anything for sale that I need, but when I do spend, it's never been more than a couple million; which I make back by the end of the day anyways..........

Too much gil...

How would raising the gil cap help the game economy?

Lol no. Im not even bothered with thw gil limit.

People talking something being pointless lol. It's not like this whole game is gear grind so we can kill bosses that give us better gear so we can kill better bosses until they add more gear and bosses so we can keep grinding.

But yeah, I hate hard caps and support removal of such, even if they don't affect me directly.

The economy is messed up enough as it is and raising the gil cap wouldn't help that at all.

I'm honestly glad there aren't any major gil sinks because it would probably just worsen the already terrible botting problem the game has, not to mention it's really not that uncommon for the filthy rich players to be involved in such activity.

A circle of gil-obsessed players are exerting an extremely unhealthy influence on my server's marketboard by flooding it with underpriced goods produced through bot farming and they all own large houses already so it's clearly just a case of them wanting to make gil for personal amusement, even if it hurts all of the legitimate crafters by forcing them to sell at a price point that's so low as to make scarcely worth even bothering to craft.

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Originally Posted by Shalice_Icefrost

As you suggested, I have 0 interest in gaining any sympathy or support from players, I'm trying to reach developers attention to a particular matter which may or may not be rejected. Simple as that. You have nothing to do in this, and I really don't care about your curiosity regarding my stuff and I don't owe you any response.

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Actually yes it very clearly does matter what people think. Do you *honestly* think that they're going to do all that work just for one person when people are already speaking out against it? If you want it to change you better care about getting sympathy and support of the community otherwise you're just wasting your time. That's the only way it has a *very slim* chance to change and even then it would be a bad change to start with.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

You obviously don't need that much gil or you'd have never accumulated it to begin with.

Sorry OP - limitations exist for a reason. Maybe it's time to consider an early retirement.

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it's not about if you need the gil or not - OP's goal in this game is to make money. like other peoples goal is to clear savage raids or whatever. because of the cap OP simply can't continue to play the game. it's compareable to an argument that because we already have 3 raids (Coil, Alexander, Omega) we don't need another one in the future. or for what do we need something we already have?

but of course OP's money making has influence on the whole server he plays on, while a raid doesn't affect other people, so it's more complicated. however, i think crafting and gathering is as reasonable as PvE gameplay and it should not be possible to "play it through" to a point that you simply can't continue and have to quit the game - this is an MMO after all!

maybe they simply could add an item wich costs 999.999.999 gil, wich can't be traded and also can't be turned back into gil?

Since the OP has *won* the 'game' on one server, those characters should be retired permanently, and OP can start over o a different server and win the game there

This game really needs more gil sinks... it's ridiculous.

Put in FC chest. Buy items like clear demi materia, allagan items etc. Move to alts, then you can hit the gil cap 8 times. This isn't hard. I love having alot of gil, but this is ultimately a brag post. Op might as well just said " look at me, I have more gil than everyone." Truth is,if you're smart enough to reach the gil cap, you should be smart enough to know how to move it around. I have each of 8 characters on my account owning an FC....so that's 8 gil caps, and 8 company chests.......It's not hard.

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it's not about if you need the gil or not - OP's goal in this game is to make money. like other peoples goal is to clear savage raids...it's compareable to an argument that because we already have 3 raids (Coil, Alexander, Omega) we don't need another one in the future...

but of course OP's money making has influence on the whole server he plays on, while a raid doesn't affect other people, so it's more complicated. however, i think crafting and gathering is as reasonable as PvE gameplay and it should not be possible to "play it through"...

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There is nothing about a gil cap that is keeping OP from crafting or gathering. The gil limitation is a practical and necessary economic one. And it may be too high already. It's not the same as increasing ilvl from time to time. No one arguing for a gil cap increase here seems to actually address this. Also, "making gil" is not a goal, what that gil is used for is the goal

I treat it like a high score in lieu of any other truly long-term or horizontal content. It's not there to spend, it's there for the number to improve a bit more every day.

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Originally Posted by RojGardoth

Also, "making gil" is not a goal, what that gil is used for is the goal

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Actually for some players, making gil is the goal. They aren't saving it to spend, the "goal" for them is to see how far they can go with it or how rich they can get. Learning the economy inside out is what they find fun.

Personally I don't see what the issue is, unless the player in question is botting or cheating. If someone finds it fun to play that way, why judge them for it? I also fail to see why it's so economically damaging. A player with 13 billion will never spend it all, which effectively means 13 billion is in stasis and sunk from the economy. What would hurt the economy more is if all the billions from these players was floating around the economy in the hands of regular players being spent constantly. That would devalue gil and result in inflation.

A higher gil cap would cause no real harm. I see no reason for all the aggression in a lot of posts here.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Actually for some players, making gil is the goal. They aren't saving it to spend, the "goal" for them is to see how far they can go with it or how rich they can get. Learning the economy inside out is what they find fun.

Personally I don't see what the issue is, unless the player in question is botting or cheating. If someone finds it fun to play that way, why judge them for it? I also fail to see why it's so economically damaging. A player with 13 billion will never spend it all, which effectively means 13 billion is in stasis and sunk from the economy. What would hurt the economy more is if all the billions from these players was floating around the economy in the hands of regular players being spent constantly. That would devalue gil and result in inflation.

A higher gil cap would cause no real harm. I see no reason for all the aggression in a lot of posts here.

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I agree, couldn't have said it better myself...maybe others are jelly?

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