Potential Inventory OVERLOAD Incoming? Job Specific Equipment (JSE) and More Primals

i normally am bordering on full invent on me my 2 retainers and my 2nd char almost all the time... what with storing crafting matts for my crafts wepons, tools, gear for all my 50's jobs i am activly lvling along with NM/Raid/Seasonal gears and this new stuff called materia(which again as a main crafter i do a lot of melding/blowing up)..... i am guessing i am going to have to toss a lot of shit to get all my new job specific gears.... personally i do horde but the stuff i horde i do use for my crafts and jobs... a game where we can activly switch jobs on a whim as and when we or our party wants should allow us to carry all gear for each job imo.

i already have to decide what i want to keep toss and sell i dread to think how bad its going to be 2 years down the line unless we have huge storage or they make specialization for crafts class/job. i love how we can switch on a whim. if they had the mailbox back up like how we used to do in ffxi i dont suppose it would be so bad, still i am sure(hope) they do give us some nice items and options for storing them like ffxi had nd also some more ;;

the system in FFXI was the best.... moghouse with a moogle.. when you switched... the items you had equipped the last time with that class will be automatically equipped.

i hope the mannequin system..... at least in 2.0. -.-.... will be like that. its annoying to re-equoip everything when changing classes. why it cant be earlier than 2.0. .. its a secret to me

I'm wondering.. Did people who complain here even played FFXI?
There were even more classes and you had 80 inventory slots.

In FFXIV you have 2 retainers with EACH 150 slots. You can even bazaar 10 on each for some more space & bazaar 10 of your own inventory. A total of 530(!!!) slots.

You really should learn to switch gear from retainer to inventory. Like when you are doing Moogle, you'll probably only use Archer/Gladiator or Conjurer (some THM or DD's are situational), so I only take gear with me for these 3 classes. I also got my craft tools with me to repair stuff, but no gear, since you can repair naked. If you really want to craft during the wait times of entering, you could bring a few pieces of gear.

Still, while having craft stuff with you, fully ready for the battle, you'll only need about 50 slots. So what's the big deal?

I understand you want to switch to every other job whenever you like, but learn to bring only gear which is needed for the situation you are in. We learned that on FFXI, now use those skills! ;)

PS: @ the post above me, about re-equiping gear everytime. That's what macro's are for ;)

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Originally Posted by Finalfreak

I'm wondering.. Did people who complain here even played FFXI?
There were even more classes and you had 80 inventory slots.

In FFXIV you have 2 retainers with EACH 150 slots. You can even bazaar 10 on each for some more space & bazaar 10 of your own inventory. A total of 530(!!!) slots.

You really should learn to switch gear from retainer to inventory. Like when you are doing Moogle, you'll probably only use Archer/Gladiator or Conjurer (some THM or DD's are situational), so I only take gear with me for these 3 classes. I also got my craft tools with me to repair stuff, but no gear, since you can repair naked. If you really want to craft during the wait times of entering, you could bring a few pieces of gear.

Still, while having craft stuff with you, fully ready for the battle, you'll only need about 50 slots. So what's the big deal?

I understand you want to switch to every other job whenever you like, but learn to bring only gear which is needed for the situation you are in. We learned that on FFXI, now use those skills! ;)

PS: @ the post above me, about re-equiping gear everytime. That's what macro's are for ;)

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I think peoples problems with retainers is the very high delay between swapping items, in FFXI the moghouse was near instant but on this with retainers it takes a good 3-4 seconds per item.

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Originally Posted by Alise

Dev probably want hardcore players to buy a few extra retainer just to store those U/U item.
As now, I already have one near full retainer of U/U collection only.

P.S. valentine event is coming with more U/U.

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Honestly if I could have more retainers (even if inventory was 100 slots) it would be great!
And mule is not even practical or doable without some kind of mail system, and the U/U storage would still be an issue.

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Originally Posted by Finalfreak

I'm wondering.. Did people who complain here even played FFXI?
There were even more classes and you had 80 inventory slots.

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But there were NPCs that could hold gear sets and event items, which didn't count toward those slots or the MH slots. I'm pretty sure people have been through all of this earlier in the thread. There wasn't this "toss it or deal with it! >:0" problem for Rare/Ex like there is in XIV for U/U. >.> I think that's what a lot of complaints are about. And really, the logic of "That game was WORSE, so this game shouldn't need to be BETTER!" is... illogical?

Noone says you have to have any of these things in your inventory. Obviously if they're more important to you than the inventory slots, than you should keep them. And if inventory is more important, than don't get the new items.

Life is all about choices.

Speaking of Retainers... have we ever figured out what the Retainer "levels" were for, again? I never did see any information regarding what that was intended to be for. Would they get more slots in the event of gaining a level or how was that supposed to work?

Oh joy more weapons just what I dont need. If the up coming primal fights have a drop rate like ifrit and moogle Ill pass. I did ifrit and will not go thru what I went thru just to get another 7 weapons. Hell I havent even bothered finishing moogle due to how pathetic the drop rate is. In all honesty I dont even consider the primal and moogle fight end game. It is basicly something the devs put in to just waste players time due to their lack of content. Ill continue to level my crafts and DoL at least I know I will accomplise something, instead of wondering if I will collect all 7 weapons from other primal fights and moogle.

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Originally Posted by MartaDemireux

Probably already been said but Yoshi stated in 2.0 they're going to lower inventory space to what it used to be @100 (reducing retainers' space as well). Hopefully this coincides with housing and additional storage opportunities. I'm sure it will really, even if the storage is only by adding in a chest as furniture and filling that up.

Luckily our equipped gear won't take inventory space in addition!

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Hi Marta,

Yah, I remember reading that (about Yoshida-san saying he was going to *remove* Inventory Space back to 100 slots only for 2.0).

I seriously hope that change comes with a long-term solution for stuff like Unlimited Storage of Unique/Untradeable Items and Seasonal Items. It would be downright baffling if that didn't happen.

Besides that, though, is the problem we're faced with right now (before 2.0). With Job Specific Equipment (JSE) / Artifact Armor coming next patch, it's really going to impact some players' inventories. :(

How the hell do you utilize your alts inventory room without a mail service?

Two ways.
1. Trade to a friend then relog then trade back.
2. Dual Box.
Both methods are a royal pain.

Completely different gear setups for EVERY SINGLE CLASS plus jewelry is only 160 slots....
NPC all the little crap you know you dont need

So do any of the people against having more inventory space acknowledge materia being an issue?

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Completely different gear setups for EVERY SINGLE CLASS plus jewelry is only 160 slots....
NPC all the little crap you know you dont need

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as you well know those that craft, gather, and battle have alts because as it is now there's very limited space. at the moment it could be done, but with jse, more primals, more materia, holiday events, and more classes coming in the future it will be impossible to play the game as all classes on one character as the game intends.

right now it is not such a horrible thing, but with the addition of gear for each job needing multiple sets of gear will get quite taxing. remember "jobs are for party and classes are for solo" you always laugh about. that will turn into one set of gear for con and another for whm. multiply those out over each class and you have a ton of gear itself and then add in the new classes they will be adding and inventory, even with the amount of space we have now, isn't enough.

something needs to be done. i'm not going to say one way of handling it is better than the other, but in the long run something will have to be done. the easiest and most efficient way, in my opinion, would be making gear its own tab, materia it's own tab, and materials its own tab. materia should even be a single stat per tier so it can be stacked and treat it like crystals. i'm not saying my own suggestion is better than anyone else, but doing something in general is really the only way i can see it working in the long run.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

as you well know those that craft, gather, and battle have alts because as it is now there's very limited space. at the moment it could be done, but with jse, more primals, more materia, holiday events, and more classes coming in the future it will be impossible to play the game as all classes on one character as the game intends.

right now it is not such a horrible thing, but with the addition of gear for each job needing multiple sets of gear will get quite taxing. remember "jobs are for party and classes are for solo" you always laugh about. that will turn into one set of gear for con and another for whm. multiply those out over each class and you have a ton of gear itself and then add in the new classes they will be adding and inventory, even with the amount of space we have now, isn't enough.

something needs to be done. i'm not going to say one way of handling it is better than the other, but in the long run something will have to be done. the easiest and most efficient way, in my opinion, would be making gear its own tab, materia it's own tab, and materials its own tab. materia should even be a single stat per tier so it can be stacked and treat it like crystals. i'm not saying my own suggestion is better than anyone else, but doing something in general is really the only way i can see it working in the long run.

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That actually is true... If jobs have a completely different set of gear than classes, and you will have to keep both, then yes... Inventory becomes an issue.... Also Moogle, Ifrit and Garuda weapons all being on the same level makes it worse....
But for right now... people just need to NPC their soiled Femurs and Wildfowl Feather
And Jobs could add what? 60 items at most?

Remember in FFXI when you had so many jobs and so little space? You can easily make it work in this game, too... plus, you have so much more space now. Just dump all of the stuff you don't regularly use (including supplies for crafts you aren't currently leveling) onto your retainer. Although, an inventory increase would be nice, too...

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

Remember in FFXI when you had so many jobs and so little space? You can easily make it work in this game, too... plus, you have so much more space now. Just dump all of the stuff you don't regularly use (including supplies for crafts you aren't currently leveling) onto your retainer. Although, an inventory increase would be nice, too...

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but that's not the discussion. it is about the long term issues. right now it can be done without problems. the issue is with the inventory going back down and more classes and primals coming along with jobs those will have an issue when it's combined together. at 200 + 150 + 150 now is easy, but once it goes back down to 100 + 80 + 80(if they let us keep the second retainer) then the additional gear and primal weapons will cause major issues.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

Remember in FFXI when you had so many jobs and so little space? You can easily make it work in this game, too... plus, you have so much more space now. Just dump all of the stuff you don't regularly use (including supplies for crafts you aren't currently leveling) onto your retainer. Although, an inventory increase would be nice, too...

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Yeah I hated it. Why should I have to deal with it in this game too. Already dumped my other craft classes mats into my retainer. It's full now.

Can you dual box an alt on the same account? I thought you needed two different accounts in order for you to be playing both characters at once. which means you pay an extra 10$ instead of an extra 1$ :(

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Originally Posted by Quatre

Can you dual box an alt on the same account? I thought you needed two different accounts in order for you to be playing both characters at once. which means you pay an extra 10$ instead of an extra 1$ :(

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Right, you can't login to two characters at once on the same account. So you either need to trade to someone else if you have two on the same account, or purchase two separate accounts to utilize the dual box method.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

yes, you can buy another character slot. that doesn't change the fact of this game was built on not having to have another character to have different classes. it's built so you can level each and every class on a single character. i have an alt, but that doesn't change the fact with the way this game is built having an alt shouldn't be needed to play all classes on 1 character.

other games are made where you level one class on your character so the inventory space is based on having enough room for that one class. this game is not. it's hard to compare what another game does compared to this one when they are set completely different as far as the character itself is. one game that has one character one class should have less space than another game in which one character has every class.

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Well said Darkstar.

I enjoy the Class System found in Final Fantasy XIV, but right now, carrying equipment (armor, weapons, jewelry, tools) for my Disciples of War / Magic and Crafting and Gathering, and with only a few of the Seasonal Event Items, and some Materia, and my inventory is slammed. :(

I haven't even attempted Miner or Fisher yet, nor a few other Crafting classes, but I can't imagine what it'd be like when 1.21 hits with us collecting our AF (Artifact Armor / Job Specific Equipment) for all our Level 50s.

I really hope we get some thoughts from the Dev Team on this soon.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

I would love it if they did furniture again to add extra storage with housing.

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Hi Biggs,

Yah, I'd love to see Furniture that increased storage for us like in XI. :)

I know they mentioned a Mannequin System of some sort for 2.0, but until 2.0 finally hits, I hope we get some kind of additional storage with Player Housing (which hopefully arrives next patch or so). Or some solution (like some people mentioning NPC Storage of Seasonal Event Items or Unique / Untradeable Storage).

Dont know if its been said, but when housing is released what I'd like to see are racks you can put either up on a wall like the banners were in XI, or just stands that can be filled with Primal weapons. It'd be something to show off if the houses are open to others to visit. The Parade of Eorzea Homes! lol

Not to mention it would also give me more inspiration to pursue the Primal battles.

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Originally Posted by Tahldon

Speaking of Retainers... have we ever figured out what the Retainer "levels" were for, again? I never did see any information regarding what that was intended to be for. Would they get more slots in the event of gaining a level or how was that supposed to work?

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Hi Tahldon,

I think the Retainer Levels were a remnant of some unfinished system Tanaka was working on. Obviously with the Team Change and Yoshi-P in charge, that system hasn't been worked on / completed.

I'm guessing it might've been a way to gain Inventory Slots?

But nowadays I think an NPC Storage System for Seasonal and U/U Items would be a life saver / the best way.

While I agree that inventory is an issue at the moment, I feel like its not as bad as you make it sound. There's a few important things to remember, first and foremost being that we're thinking of the here and now, they're thinking of the big picture. Naturally, we want the band-aid fixes that make the current game more enjoyable when we log on tomorrow, however those fixes typically do not address the underlying issues that cause the problems, so six months down the road we're in the same boat but with six more inches of water in it. So far they've done things like consolidated all HQ materials into a single +1 level, reduced a crazy amount of crafting subcombines so you dont have 90 slots of junk parts taking up space, and added search functionality to the market wards to make it easier to buy and sell things (which makes a big difference when you're limited to selling only a handful of stuff at once). A handful of inventory solutions they're already working on include things like traditional Auction houses, which will either lead to the abolishment of the retainer system entirely with a replacement bank system tied to the player housing or forcing retainers to more strictly become the storage mechanic, they're adding an item mailing system so you're not stuck holding onto those 10 stacks of iron ingots you crafted for your friend until he logs on anymore, as well as the mannequins being added in 2.0, and i'm sure there will be others as the game develops (Hey Devs, I was a big fan of the quests in FFXI to increase your moghouse and bag capacities as you leveled).

You also need to consider that yes, they are adding another primal and AF armor sets for every job, however the *vast majority* of players will never attain every single piece for every single class, as well as every single primal weapon from every primal fights. The people aiming for that are probably only 1-3% of the entire playerbase, even less so when 2.0 goes live. As the game develops, the level cap gets raised, and more content is added players are going to be more inclined to focus on only a handful of their favorite classes and jobs as their "main" jobs. I can tell you right now that I hate playing MRD and GLD, so theres two entire jobs worth of AF armors that I wont be getting, and wont be taking up space in my inventory, and i'd imagine most players have at least a few classes they feel the same about. What do you *need* all 7 weapons from every single primal for, other than just to say you have them? Anyone playing the game at that level is going to exclusively use whichever one is the min/max mathematical "best" for their class anyway, and let all the other ones for that class rot in their bank. It's the same with the gear from the new raids, if it's better than what you have you're going to directly replace it, not keep both, so there is no impact on your inventory space.

The AH will also make it easier to buy and sell things, as well as give you easy access to a relative idea of what things are worth. You'll now know whether or not its worth it to hold onto those Chocobo Feather +1s that have been sitting in your bags for six months because they're worth 12k a piece, and likewise you'll know that the six stacks of lanolin you've been hoarding can go right in the trash because they're totally worthless. Just having that information easily available to the player will drastically cut down on item hoarding.

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Originally Posted by Lerend

You also need to consider that yes, they are adding another primal and AF armor sets for every job, however the *vast majority* of players will never attain every single piece for every single class, as well as every single primal weapon from every primal fights. The people aiming for that are probably only 1-3% of the entire playerbase, even less so when 2.0 goes live. As the game develops, the level cap gets raised, and more content is added players are going to be more inclined to focus on only a handful of their favorite classes and jobs as their "main" jobs. I can tell you right now that I hate playing MRD and GLD, so theres two entire jobs worth of AF armors that I wont be getting, and wont be taking up space in my inventory, and i'd imagine most players have at least a few classes they feel the same about. What do you *need* all 7 weapons from every single primal for, other than just to say you have them? Anyone playing the game at that level is going to exclusively use whichever one is the min/max mathematical "best" for their class anyway, and let all the other ones for that class rot in their bank. It's the same with the gear from the new raids, if it's better than what you have you're going to directly replace it, not keep both, so there is no impact on your inventory space.

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Hi Lerend,

If you read my original post, you'd see I mentioned that (your point above).

Of course we can get to just choosing *1* Primal Weapon for min/maxing, but there are a few issues with your point (about just choosing 1 and skipping the rest):

• Based on the precedent set *so far* (this could change), it looks like Yoshida-san and the Combat Team are making "Side Upgrades" (complementary / alternate) Primal Weapons (i.e., Ifrit Weapons are about Attack, Moogle Weapons have Accuracy, etc.). If it was just the matter of 1 Primal Weapon topping the next one and next one (which would be horrible regardless), then sure, we can just choose *1* Primal Weapon and throw away the rest.

• Unfortunately with the way Patches are looking right now, Primal Battles / Raid Drops *are* the main form of Content for many players right now. So while we may not "need" all 7 Primal Weapons with each Patch, that IS the only activity to do. Just by happenstance an average Level 50 player helping their LS can end up with more than just 1 Primal Weapon, and you never know if you might like a Class / focus on them later (as more Weaponskills, Class Adjustments happen etc.).

So while we can just choose 1 Drop and throw away the rest as you're recommending, that leads to even less incentive to play. If you're asking players to just choose 1 key item and skip the rest, many players wouldn't have incentive to repeat fights over and over. There's a problem with Inventory, especially with Artifact Armor / AF launching this next patch, with players going after more than 1 Job's AF.

There have been some great suggestions in this thread (e.g., NPC Storage for Holiday Event Items, or Storage for U/U Items, or stacking Materia, or having Materia be a separate Tab / Inventory area like Crystals, etc.). These are all reasonable solutions that would help all players in the long run.

Thanks.

Yoshida posted an update about concerns regarding inventory and the plethora of Unique/Untradable items that I wanted to share with you all.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Hello, Producer/Director Yoshida here.

First off I'd like to apologize for the troubles related to the item storage capacity.

For the patches planned after patch 1.21, as I mentioned before there will be a lot of Unique/Untradable items and we are working on making it possible to "store and retrieve items using data flags" (like giving an item to an NPC to store and retrieve from). The influx of these types of items will come pretty steadily, and from patch 1.21 onwards, we’ll be dealing with this as quickly as we can.

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This is good news!

What about something similar to ff11's porter moogles? Instead of carrying mog slips in your inventory, they would end up in your key items and prevent players from accidentally throwing them away.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

What about something similar to ff11's porter moogles? Instead of carrying mog slips in your inventory, they would end up in your key items and prevent players from accidentally throwing them away.

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I didn't think it was possible to toss a mog slip.

Regardless, if done in this fashion, a key item would be preferable to one that takes up inventory space.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Yoshida posted an update about concerns regarding inventory and the plethora of Unique/Untradable items that I wanted to share with you all.

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Thats very good news, I was under the impression this went unnoticed :)

/thumbsup

Awsome :) i know a lot of stress is going on into all games you make, but hang on to every bit of your dreams, i stress myself by working hard, but everyday is something new to me, my dreams are coming true for every little thing i do, if you could ever have miracle in your life to ever have your dream come true, all ways tell your self i worked hard for this and i feel good about myself and i'm glad to be part of the Final Fantasy Team :)

I would think one would easily be able to carry 3-4 sets of gear in their inventory and not have to stress. I don't see a big problem with having to return to town if you just have to switch, what we have now is already WAY more convenient than XI was. I wouldn't mind something similar to a mog satchel, that can store some gear for you wherever you are, would be a welcome addition of course.

I'm hoping these new AF armors aren't so easy to obtain anyway (you better NOT just have to do the quests and get your instant armor) that everyone would likely have all of them. Maybe just have enough time to get a complete set for your favorite jobs, etc...

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Yoshida posted an update about concerns regarding inventory and the plethora of Unique/Untradable items that I wanted to share with you all.

Hello, Producer/Director Yoshida here.

First off I'd like to apologize for the troubles related to the item storage capacity.

For the patches planned after patch 1.21, as I mentioned before there will be a lot of Unique/Untradable items and we are working on making it possible to "store and retrieve items using data flags" (like giving an item to an NPC to store and retrieve from). The influx of these types of items will come pretty steadily, and from patch 1.21 onwards, we’ll be dealing with this as quickly as we can.

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Hi Rukkirii and Yoshida-san,

Thank you so much for the reply! :)

This is *great* news! :) Hopefully this Unique / Untradeable / Event Item NPC Storage System comes online quickly after 1.21.

The reason being that 1.21 is where many of us trying to get more than 1 Final Fantasy Job's Artifact Armor Set are going to be impacted the most (probably 6 Inventory Slots taken for each Job we're trying for, not to mention the potential Job Stone and more Holiday Event Items, etc.).

Hopefully we get this in 1.21a (or "b" or "c"). :)

Can't wait!

A Storage Chest in our New Housing would have been Ideal.

i want to send my retainers off to the Garlean Empire's Biomass Recycling Facility as soon as possible :D

awesome can't wait this is awesome news :)

Just wanted to bump this thread as it appears the inventory overload has arrived and is on track to get worse. I have all AFs, so that's 35 slots right there, just got another 1 slot taken up by the new lady's day earring, and I see from the achievements there are 5 new easter event rings otw. Not to mention cutter's cry and aurum vale gears. I'll soon be out of space on all my retainers and my inventory full with no where for anything to go.

We need an event item storage NPC ASAP. Hope this is a top priority for dev team atm.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Solution: Pick one Job and specialize.

I know it's a big pain in the ass but what can you do? Fortunately we'll have that mannequin system in 2.0 and everything should work out fine.

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According to a french community dev gear equipped to a mannequin still requires space in the inventory.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

According to a french community dev gear equipped to a mannequin still requires space in the inventory.

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i thought they said mannequin gear wont use inv space