Liveblog JP - Yoshi P's 4.2 Housing Plan Discussion

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Originally Posted by Kyoji5

I hope to God there is not some auction/RNG system to buy a house.

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Auction system huh? If that will be the case then Yoshi doesn't know what "fair and square" means since then only richest of the rich will buy houses still

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Originally Posted by Leloa

Auction system huh? If that will be the case then Yoshi doesn't know what "fair and square" means since then only richest of the rich will buy houses still

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I agree and disagree with this statement so much. Even post the price nerfs.... It ain't enough to deter flippers. Also, I will add housing was originally the Gil sync to get rid of millions upon millions in the game. If SE wanted to keep housing for the elite they should have made 1 ward cost the entirety of 10% of the server wealth. If they want everyone to have one then they should make wards only generate when certain conditional measures are kept with no notice when a new ward pops. Just like the first auto demo.

I have mixed feelings about the one house per account. Obviously...its the friendlier way. Everyone has a better chance at a house than letting someone continually buy houses every update. The only downside I see to making it this way is the Balmung RP community venues may suffer from it, if forced to shut down. There are some AMAZING community venues that are loads of fun, even if you don't RP.

Understandably one house per account is the better route. It bothers me to see so many houses, possibly purchased by alts, that simply have a bare house sitting on it. Little or no yard decorations, and a massive empty space inside the house where it's clearly just being held and not used.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

There will be kinks to iron out and adjustments to be made but SE wants this headache to go away- they will be working on this as long as it takes I think.

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Hell, I want the headache to go away. I feel like as long as SE sees the housing system as a priority thing to fix, then the rest of the game development could slow until they can decrease the player demand for a solution. Even if they have an entirely separate team handling housing, I'm certain someone's attention is being poured into it where they want to be paying attention somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by odie

I have mixed feelings about the one house per account. Obviously...its the friendlier way. Everyone has a better chance at a house than letting someone continually buy houses every update. The only downside I see to making it this way is the Balmung RP community venues may suffer from it, if forced to shut down. There are some AMAZING community venues that are loads of fun, even if you don't RP.

Understandably one house per account is the better route. It bothers me to see so many houses, possibly purchased by alts, that simply have a bare house sitting on it. Little or no yard decorations, and a massive empty space inside the house where it's clearly just being held and not used.

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im fine with 1 house per server cluster, that way you pick your main home but it doesn't punish you if you really need to have another house on another cluster

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Originally Posted by Kuro_Mao

I agree and disagree with this statement so much. Even post the price nerfs.... It ain't enough to deter flippers. Also, I will add housing was originally the Gil sync to get rid of millions upon millions in the game. If SE wanted to keep housing for the elite they should have made 1 ward cost the entirety of 10% of the server wealth. If they want everyone to have one then they should make wards only generate when certain conditional measures are kept with no notice when a new ward pops. Just like the first auto demo.

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I can understand where Leloa was coming from with disliking the auction system. Unless the developers make the bidding amounts as just the starting price of the plot, only the richest of the rich will be able to get a house—because they can just throw as much gil as they want at a house, were as some will have only just enough to afford the plot. Also, they would need to limit it to one bid per server per account—otherwise people can just have their alts place additional bids on the plots that they want, which isn’t fair for people that don’t have 8 characters per server. So, unless there are some restrictions set on this “auction” system, it’s only going to serve that the super rich get their houses, if not encourage RMT so that others can get one.

All that being said, I really dislike both ideas of a lottery system and an auction/bidding system. It would be fairer than what we have now; I won’t deny that. But I still don’t like the idea of it. However, I have a nagging/sinking feeling that this is going to be the new way, so I can kiss my hopes of a personal house goodbye. Because I do not have luck when it comes to lotteries! ;_;

I am guessing it will be a lottery.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

Please please show me these many people..cause as far as i know there truly is just 1 set of 2 ppl on mathus that own a whole ward with 8 personal 8 fc houses..there are fc's that havei ts members buy personal houses in the same ward..way differnt... when it boils down i think the number of wards own by 2 people maybe 1 or 2 thats it

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there are at least 2 people in my FC that have 3 or more houses on their account. there's at least 1 person on my server not in my FC that owns more than 5 houses to one account

there are at least 8 plots in Goblet on Excal that's owned by FCs that only has 1 character in them that has nothing to do with the 3 people above.

i find it hard to believe that my server and Mateus are the only server where this happens. when so many people don't have houses, it's a problem when 1 account has 3 houses, it doesn't have to get to 16 to be a problem.

and i'm not blaming those people, they are just operating within the confines of what the system allows.

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Originally Posted by Leloa

Auction system huh? If that will be the case then Yoshi doesn't know what "fair and square" means since then only richest of the rich will buy houses still

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it's more likely going to be a lottery not an auction.

One house per account would be acceptable solution if it had been implemented from the very beginning. Implementing it now is not fair. I don't want to be part of the mob forcefully confiscating something from my fellow players.

Just in case - I am a very new player, and I don't have any house yet, though I am actively working on it, first of all - learning to make gil.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

there are at least 2 people in my FC that have house 3 or more houses on their account. there's at least 1 person on my server not in my FC that owns more than 5 houses to one account

there are at least 8 plots in Goblet on Excal that's owned by FCs that only has 1 character in them that has nothing to do with the 3 people above.

i find it hard to believe that my server and Mateus are the only server where this happens. when so many people don't have houses, it's a problem when 1 account has 3 houses, it doesn't have to get to 16 to be a problem.

and i'm not blaming those people, they are just operating within the confines of what the system allows.

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So question is the 8 fcs with 1 char do you know for a fact there all the same person?? Or are you now saying people who have fcs by them selfs for storage or airships cant own homes??
as ive said ive only heard of the mathus people owning a ward putting in he time to do that..And mathus still had house empty for people to get lol the problem came when SE got there money from transfering people into locked servers and decided to move you all for free...the high n med pop servers had problems yes they needed more houses but servers like mathus n mine had 100's of empty plots till people moved to us..

Red: do you know why/how the people of mathus and like take me (3 houses) got ours?? there wasn't a house issuse till free transfers on our servers the nigh before on my server there was 218 open houses forsale most had dropped as low as they could go lol. So yea on low pop servers people owned more then.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

So question is the 8 fcs with 1 char do you know for a fact there all the same person?? Or are you now saying people who have fcs by them selfs for storage or airships cant own homes??

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does it matter if it's the same person if they are alts? one account with 8 alts or 4 accounts with 2 alts each, there are still plenty of players and FCs with many people that don't have any plots.

yes, i am saying there shouldn't be single player FC houses. it's obviously circumventing how the game was designed for a single player to have airships, you can't build airships by yourself. a single player should have a personal house, that's plenty for storage. a single player should not have a personal house and an FC house where they are the only person in the FC. it's a broken system that allows this to happen.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

does it matter if it's the same person if they are alts? one account with 8 alts or 4 accounts with 2 alts each, there are still plenty of players and FCs with many people that don't have any plots.

yes, i am saying there shouldn't be single player FC houses. it's obviously circumventing how the game was designed for a single player to have airships, you can't build airships by yourself. a single player should have a personal house, that's plenty for storage. a single player should not have a personal house and an FC house where they are the only person in the FC. it's a broken system that allows this to happen.

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Yes it matters cause your comment was in reply to me saying that i've only seen the mathus crew of 2 people owning a entire ward. meaning one person owning 16 houses i'snt wide spread. My hats off to them i know beating the story 3 times was a pain in the butt for my self..and keep in mind when they did it the server was dead those houses at empty

And no matter how you slice this pie, if you have 2,880 houses and 7.500 people on a server there will always be people with out houses

As far as the single player fc i agree it wasnt to be since you need 4 people to make a fc and 4 to run a crafting station.but that falls on SE for not disbaninng Fcs when they go under the 4 players .

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

Yes it matters cause your comment was in reply to me saying that i've only seen the mathus crew of 2 people owning a entire ward

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you also said this which is completely not true for any of the examples on my server.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

Most the legit (nonflippers) who own more then one house own 2-3 for rp purposes and have owned them

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

2 people owning a entire ward. meaning one person owning 16 houses i'snt wide spread.

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ultimately, it's the same problem. that's like saying you only know 2 people over 500 lbs and that's supposed to prove obesity is not a widespread problem. it's such a weak position to defend the absolute extreme.

everything falls on SE which is why they should fix it.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

you also said this which is completely not true for any of the examples on my server.





ultimately, it's the same problem. that's like saying you only know 2 people over 500 lbs and that's supposed to prove obesity is not a widespread problem. it's such a weak position to defend the absolute extreme.

everything falls on SE which is why they should fix it.

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you replyed quoting me to a comment where i was asking someone to show me these many other people who own wards.as far as i know only the two mathus people who own a ward in the months since free transfers this is the only 2 ppl that have been stated by the many of posters. i was asking for more examples of 2 people who own a ward..so you comment of well theres 8 fcs with 1 person dosen't fit unless its the same two people hense why i askedd if its the same person..

as far as not true on your server fine, but in the people i know and have talked to on these fourms or even made a alt now were up to 3 people who made a alt on my server to say they feel the same way about losing there multi houses and why they have them seems to boil down to RP they play each charcther as its own.own style look and even houses..but id bet that there are people on your server who own more then one house for rp purposes meaning there charcter has differnt style then the first.

The only thing im defending is the right to keep what people got by following the rules laid out in front of us..thats it..

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

does it matter if it's the same person if they are alts? one account with 8 alts or 4 accounts with 2 alts each, there are still plenty of players and FCs with many people that don't have any plots.

yes, i am saying there shouldn't be single player FC houses. it's obviously circumventing how the game was designed for a single player to have airships, you can't build airships by yourself. a single player should have a personal house, that's plenty for storage. a single player should not have a personal house and an FC house where they are the only person in the FC. it's a broken system that allows this to happen.

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I know a lot of people who like their one person FC's and they are very actively using them. I don't see how SE could say no you can't do that because some people complained on the forum. Just because they are a solo FC doesn't mean they don't have rights to housing.

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The reason why we do not want to disclose any detail is that we want to give a fair chance to everyone. If we told you our plans, players will immediately start to prepare and we want to avoid that. That said, there will be more features and policies around this new addition, so please don't worry about plots selling out too quickly.

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So something that if we knew about it we could prepare for it? Doesn't the mean that it would be ineffective for all future ward/housing district additions?

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However we are able to track players who buy a house with the intent of making a profit reselling it, so rest assure that we are taking actions against these players.

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My personal experience shows that to not be the case thus far, but if you say so Yoshida. :)

What could people possable prepare for .only thing i can think is a change in the rank of GC to buy a house or adding the use of GC seals....And your right Dusty kinda make its null n void for any wards after lol

While not perfect I really hope they just make it so 1 personal house per account / server and allow that house to be shared across on characters on said server. I know it will not fix much, but at the very least will no longer have to read peoples comments regarding people owning more then one plot, will also limit flippers.

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Originally Posted by Awha

While not perfect I really hope they just make it so 1 personal house per account / server and allow that house to be shared across on characters on said server. I know it will not fix much, but at the very least will no longer have to read peoples comments regarding people owning more then one plot, will also limit flippers.

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So what would happen to everyone with more than 1 house per account? Imagine all time and gil people spent on the houses, buying, decorating etc

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

So what would happen to everyone with more than 1 house per account? Imagine all time and gil people spent on the houses, buying, decorating etc

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RIP us that is what will happen to us that own multiple plots per server. I know it is unfair owning multiple plots per server, but I will not relinquish said plots until SE forces me to.

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Originally Posted by Awha

RIP us that is what will happen to us that own multiple plots per server. I know it is unfair owning multiple plots per server, but I will not relinquish said plots until SE forces me to.

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Yeah I will not release my plot until I'm forced and they need to give us something in return since we did not break any TOS or rules for buying houses on alts. As an alt is a character no matter how you put it.

Unfair? Maybe. Did we break rules? No, saw a plot available i purchased

I only own one house. I don't consider it unfair, inequitable maybe, that some players own multiple houses as the game allows that to happen. So while the system is unfair I see no reason for the resolution to penalize those players that have played by the rules.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Yeah I will not release my plot until I'm forced and they need to give us something in return since we did not break any TOS or rules for buying houses on alts. As an alt is a character no matter how you put it.

Unfair? Maybe. Did we break rules? No, saw a plot available i purchased

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We can try to defend our actions till we are blue in the face, but everyone that owns multiple knows that it is unfair, but we do not care though clearly the community does. Now would I love to keep my all my homes on my server? Most diffidently. Will they let us? I do not think so. Seems like SE is hard pressed on space at the moment so only makes sense to limit the amount of plots a account may own on a server. Thing is SE does not have to give us anything or even provide warning, I just hope they do.

End of the day we are kidding ourselves if we think SE is not going to change their policy when it comes to housing, we are going to lose our multiple plots and outside of buying another account I really do not see anyway around it. So RIP us, but it is about time. Now they just need to add rank decay so I have a reason to PvP after getting a decent rank during the initial rush. Even if it is not in the ToS we know what we are doing is messed up, and if the shoe was on the other foot we prob would feel the same. Though I simply do not care enough to act on it, but I can see and admit when I am being a dick, and hording plots that I barely use is being dick. So if SE wants to free up some plots best start enforcing some new rules. When they do end up limiting plots I would love to see the data on how many plots were freed up per server.

Thinking over more what was recently said, perhaps they are going to limit housing per account and grandfather people with multiples into the system? If they said something that would allow someone to prepare (buy up more houses) and once the system is set in place it's too late. Purely speculation of course and perhaps they've got other plans or additional plans for housing acquisition. We likely won't know until the complete patch notes are up during maintenance if they want to keep anyone from getting a running start. They might just leave the housing demo timer off until then to stave off further acquisition.

My personal thought is that they are going to require a permit bought with achievement certificates - that new thing that was added recently tied to your achievement points. You might have to buy an item like a "housing voucher" That you have to present alongside the gil to buy a house. If it required 50 achievement certificates (2500 or so achievement points) to buy the housing voucher, it would stop unplayed alts who just boosted/botted to 50 from buying a house, yet would still give an opportunity for people with very active alts or multiple mains to get a house if they put work/effort into getting achievements on them. Since achievement certificates aren't really used for much right now, and is a fairly good indicator of activity/commitment to the character, I could see this being a direction they go.

Well they care not to actually re-work the housing system but are standing strong on using wards which will always be problematic.
I still do not see why and many of us have stated this a billion times myself included, that why not have mixed instanced and non instanced.

I do question however if the servers can handle it tbh, but something worthwhile needs to be done.
The statement "fair" should never be used by them until they have real solutions

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Originally Posted by Awha

We can try to defend our actions till we are blue in the face, but everyone that owns multiple knows that it is unfair, but we do not care though clearly the community does. Now would I love to keep my all my homes on my server? Most diffidently. Will they let us? I do not think so. Seems like SE is hard pressed on space at the moment so only makes sense to limit the amount of plots a account may own on a server. Thing is SE does not have to give us anything or even provide warning, I just hope they do.

End of the day we are kidding ourselves if we think SE is not going to change their policy when it comes to housing, we are going to lose our multiple plots and outside of buying another account I really do not see anyway around it. So RIP us, but it is about time. Now they just need to add rank decay so I have a reason to PvP after getting a decent rank during the initial rush. Even if it is not in the ToS we know what we are doing is messed up, and if the shoe was on the other foot we prob would feel the same. Though I simply do not care enough to act on it, but I can see and admit when I am being a dick, and hording plots that I barely use is being dick. So if SE wants to free up some plots best start enforcing some new rules. When they do end up limiting plots I would love to see the data on how many plots were freed up per server.

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Please speak for your self and not include at lest me. Ive had my houses for a year wile 200+ houses sat empty for a year to the point every house had dropped in price as low as it will go. So i do not feel its unfair i own 3 houses. i payed to move where the houses were and got houses.

For 3 years there has been empty plots anyone could of moved if they really wanted a house as there top priority.

The only reason there is a house shortage on my server and the only reason we have people flipping houses is ... SE gave out free transfers. if they wouldn't of did free transfers my server would still have 100's of houses.

You may barely use your plots and thats you.If you dont use your plots then your a hoarder and dont need them, But my wife and I play all 3 of our characters weekly using every house we have we dont play the same character each day. i probly use my houses more then alot of people who own one house.and looking through the wards mine sure are deco alot better since most have gc junk and thats it lol

In the end please just speak for your self. cause not everyone feels the way you do

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

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Defend it all you want there is no reasonable argument to be made that is not based around the desire to protect what they already have. Please if you can come up with a reasonable argument as to why the one person should be able to own multiple plots on the same server, that is not based around buying them when wards were empty or one character is a different entity and should not be lumped together with the entire account, I am all ears.

Every argument we have made to keep our multiple plots has always been a selfish one, and that in itself proves that deep down we know what we are doing is unfair, we simply do not care enough to do anything about it. So SE has to.

I get it the notion of the housing system in itself is unfair in itself, but look at it this way. If my plots were on your server, between us we would own eight plots. Please tell me how that is fair? I do get where you are coming from, I bought my plots back when whole wards were empty. Still even an asshole like myself is not dense enough to see when something is unfair.


Without a system that either creates new wards as one fills up or instance housing no system will be fair, and I get many of us who own multiple plots bought them long before free transfers back when entire wards were empty. It is not fair for those that already own the plots, but as things are it is not fair for those that are without plots. The pill of not owning a home would be easier for many swallow if they knew each plot was owned by a unique account. I am sure they would still prefer expanding apartments or instance housing, but we all know that will not happen by 4.2.

Thanks to the road to 60 buff I already have characters that meet the current requirements to buy plots on other servers, granted I will not be able Shirogane plots on most of them, but yeah so unless SE does something to prevent this I have no reason not to.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Well they care not to actually re-work the housing system but are standing strong on using wards which will always be problematic.
I still do not see why and many of us have stated this a billion times myself included, that why not have mixed instanced and non instanced.

I do question however if the servers can handle it tbh, but something worthwhile needs to be done.
The statement "fair" should never be used by them until they have real solutions

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I really wish that is what they would do, make it so apartments can be expanded and add some access to an outdoor garden for those with an apartment. We all know if it makes sense it is probably not on SE radar yet. They are going to go with a knee jerk reaction which is to place a limit.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Defend it all you want there is no reasonable argument to be made that is not based around the desire to protect what they already have. Please if you can come up with a reasonable argument as to why the one person should be able to own multiple plots on the same server, that is not based around buying them when wards were empty or one character is a different entity and should not be lumped together with the entire account, I am all ears.

Every argument we have made to keep our multiple plots has always been a selfish one, and that in itself proves that deep down we know what we are doing is unfair, we simply do not care enough to do anything about it. So SE has to.

I get it the notion of the housing system in itself is unfair in itself, but look at it this way. If my plots were on your server, between us we would own eight plots. Please tell me how that is fair? I do get where you are coming from, I bought my plots back when whole wards were empty. Still even an asshole like myself is not dense enough to see when something is unfair.


Without a system that either creates new wards as one fills up or instance housing no system will be fair, and I get many of us who own multiple plots bought them long before free transfers back when entire wards were empty. It is not fair for those that already own the plots, but as things are it is not fair for those that are without plots. Fairly certain the pill of not owning a home would be easier for many swallow if they knew each plot was owned by a unique account. I am sure they would still prefer expanding apartments or instance housing, but we all know that will not happen by 4.2.

Thanks to the road to 60 buff I already have characters that meet the current requirements to buy plots on other servers, granted I will not be able Shirogane plots on most of them, but yeah so unless SE does something to prevent this I have no reason not to.

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Please tell me how this is selfish. Its not, its true, at lest for me my characters they are differnt.

Fair?? So you honestly think its fair to pay extra for 8 characters to only have the right to own a house on one, So 7 of my characters cant have a house cause SE can't supply enough houses for everyone. Theres 2 account types 1 says 1 character 1 says 8 character not 1 main and 7 alts lol

See your whole post is your opinion you may think its selfish i don't and know many others who don't, but i dont post for them which is where i asked you to stop speaking for me lol

I used the options given to me to get a house i payed to move to where they were so i don't feel selfish at all

What i do see is selfish is the people who took a free transfer to servers telling people they must give there houses up cause im here now and want one. to bad you have owned them for years but im here now give me

And the extra selfish people are the ones who were on low pop servers and had houses. payed to move to high pop balmug or gil to raid only to take a free ride back and say im here now give up your houses i want them

Even if i didnt have a house id NEVER say take away from what people all ready have cause i want a house now or restrict what people can get (Thats Selfish).
Id be right on the side im on now . SE needs to supply enough houses for everyone period you offer them you need to have enough . I dont care about server space and all that, thats why i pay a monthly sub..... if your gonna offer them and charge us x amount a month make it happen , many many other games can do it. figure it out or dont get my money

for 3 years the rules have been this where was the riots and outrage for 2 1/2 of them. it wasnt untill people got a free transfer and Shiro came out that this all blew up

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Originally Posted by Awha

Defend it all you want there is no reasonable argument to be made that is not based around the desire to protect what they already have. Please if you can come up with a reasonable argument as to why the one person should be able to own multiple plots on the same server, that is not based around buying them when wards were empty or one character is a different entity and should not be lumped together with the entire account, I am all ears.

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Because people deserve to make use of a feature as they see fit so long as it doesn't violate any rules. Just like some players see no value in housing, others enjoy decorating and creating environments for their characters. The fact that SE designed a system that is utterly horrible is irrelevant. I will never be mad at someone who has more than one house. It is not their fault. They did nothing wrong.

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You still have yet to provide at argument, you pretty much are just telling me you bought the houses before the transfers. I get you want to keep all your plots, and I want to keep mine. Though I simply cannot for the life of me see a reason as to why SE will allow it though. Not looking at other solution since we all know they will not do a mixture of instance / ward housing by 4.2.

The housing system as it stands will always be unfair, but looking at this without bias. Please tell which would you prefer. Where every plot is owned by a unique account, or a system were four people own half a ward?

As it has been said the current system will never be perfect, but from the outside in I have to go with the former. Granted I do not care enough to take action myself, and since I do not have to. You are right it is my opinion, but I do not know, I feel as if many would be hard pressed to convince someone that the former is the better option.

The latter option is based around the group I hang with. Our goal was to try and buy an entire ward, at the time we did not have that kind of gil. Also did not help that I started farming gil a tad later then the rest so was unable to buy that many.

Yeah we did not break any rules, still does not change the fact that if SE servers can only handle the strain of the releasing one ward for each area on each server, do you guys really think they will let us keep multiple plots. Know the messed up part? We are probably the minority. I mean in one of your posts in another thread Sin you mention how you at times get hate tells.

If SE held a poll limiting plots would win by a landslide. You may not think it is unfair, pretty sure more people do then don't so I am going to put my money SE does something to cater to those people without actuality fixing the problem they are just going to toss a bandaid on it.

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Originally Posted by Awha

You still have yet to provide at argument, you pretty much are just telling me you bought the houses before the transfers. I get you want to keep all your plots, and I want to keep mine. Though I simply cannot for the life of me see a reason as to why SE will allow it though. Not looking at other solution since we all know they will not do a mixture of instance / ward housing by 4.2.

The housing system as it stands will always be unfair, but looking at this without bias. Please tell which would you prefer. Where every plot is owned by a unique account, or a system were four people own half a ward?

As it has been said the current system will never be perfect, but from the outside in I have to go with the former. Granted I do not care enough to take action myself, and since I do not have to. You are right it is my opinion, but I do not know, I feel as if many would be hard pressed to convince someone that the former is the better option.

The latter option is based around the group I hang with. Our goal was to try and buy an entire ward, at the time we did not have that kind of gil.

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with out bias i can say both. As long as the home owners followed all the rules i dont care if 2 ppl own a ward or each house is a differnt account. if you put in the time to level and earn your gil buy the houses.
The most important thing is you follow the rules. If you use RMT you need to be banned, If you bot you need to banned.

Se put rules in front of us we followed them. taken houses away because you or anyone else thinks its unfair is wrong.punishing people for following rules is not right. Its up to Se to supply enough houses.

I see nothing wrong with groups from a fc owning a ward it sure makes gardening runs easyer lol back 9 months ago my fc owned 11 plots in one ward. we wernt trying to own a ward we were trying to make garden runs easyer since we were running 17+ gardens growing vegi minions onions and other crosses.

Edit: My argument is stright forward by following the rules im allowed to own multi houses and have been able to since personal houses came in the game 3 years+ now.

See the differnce between you and i is i use my houses i play 1 char per day next day switch so at lest minium 2days a week im useing each house most the time in every house each day due to gardening n what not. Where as you have admitted to being just a hoarder who barley uses your houses

Well and now SE changes those rules, or maybe not, its not more unfair then auto demolish or ppl buying gil to get houses for billions of gil...

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Glad we were able to cash in on the Flying Chair Mount hype before it tanked. The systems are unfair, but you have admit the former option benefits more people, so clearly your answer still has a hint of bias. We followed the rules and we should not be punished for it, but if I was in SE position and had a limit as to what I could do in the moment, I would go with the option that would have the most impact overall. No matter how you cut it the latter option does provide more.

Or do you deny that?

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Well and now SE changes those rules, or maybe not, its not more unfair then auto demolish or ppl buying gil to get houses for billions of gil...

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If they do change those rules I highly doubt they will just grandfather in those that own multiple plots, unless they shock us and do a whole rework making this discussion moot since they came to their senses and did a mix of both ward / instance plots and expandable apartments.

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Well and now SE changes those rules, or maybe not, its not more unfair then auto demolish or ppl buying gil to get houses for billions of gil...

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Taken away houses from people who followed your rules is way differnt then auto demo.. Losing a house to auto demo cause you didnt go in it in 45 days is the way the rules for it works.when it was put it the rules were laid out go in your house once every 45 days or lose it.

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Glad we were able to cash in on the Flying Chair Mount hype before it tanked.The systems are unfair, but you have admit the former option benefits more people, so clearly your answer still has a hint of bias. We followed the rules and we should not be punished for it, but if I was in SE position and had a limit as to what I could do in the moment, I would go with the option that would have the most impact overall. No matter how you cut it the latter option does provide more.

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1- i have no flippen clue what your talking about here since i haven;t sold 1 chair. i did how ever grow cloud seeds for every member of my fc who wanted achair think ive made 9. But i have not cashed in on any thing with the chair not sure what ya assuming there.
Heck im sitting with 2 chairs banked and 72 feathers ready for fc member who want a chair or give aways lol then again i have 11 sets of vegi minions banked and 20+ of each seeds for stuff vegi minions for fc members

2- i cant speak for Se will or wont do, but i can say the headlines would sure look bad for Se taking away from people who followed your rules just cause you cant supply enough of what you advertised.. Robbing from peter to give to paul should not even be a option

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Sorry English is not my forte was just making a friendly remark in regard to using multiple plots for gardening, so I made a slide remark since that is what my friends and I did we used all of our plots to cash in on the flying chair mount hype. No need to be hostile.

I just do not see why you are dodging the question, being called selfish is not a horrible thing, we are human by nature we are selfish so no need to get hostile towards. Though the fact you are willing to say that an option that would provide for the most people in equal to one that limits is sort of funny all because we followed the rules.

The system is not perfect, and the options I provided are not perfect, but those are the two options that can work with the current system.

This is going nowhere though, you will defend your position and I will defend mine, though not going to lie you do have to admit it is funny that you seem to have gotten slightly annoyed at the prospect of someone calling you selfish yet you defend oppose an option that provides for a resource for the most people. Given the current limitations SE has stated with the servers and what not. Limiting per account / server allows it so the most amount of people get a plot. The current system does not.

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Sorry English is not my forte was just making a friendly remark in regard to using multiple plots for gardening, so I made a slide remark since that is what my friends and I did we used all of our plots to cash in on the flying chair mount hype. No need to be hostile.

I just do not see why you are dodging the question, being called selfish is not a horrible thing, we are human by nature we are selfish so no need to get hostile towards. Though the fact you are willing to say that an option that would provide for the most people in equal to one that limits is sort of funny all because we followed the rules.

The system is not perfect, and the options I provided are not perfect, but those are the two options that can work with the current system.

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No those are the 2 options you have come up with heres a 3rd. SE spends some money buys more servers and opens 30 more wards per city bring the total number of houses to 10,080 per server, add more wards to the higher pop servers if needed..

This is the problem with game companys, is clients will sit back and settle and they know it..if everyone who didn't have a house cancelled there membership at once including fc's and all the members in them. bet they add more wards fast lol

SE started this fire storm with its free transfers and the far east themed housing. untill the day they opened free transfers less then half the people cared now all of a sudden its omg you selfish pigs lol

And as far as gardens i own 3 smalls so no big advange there

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No those are the 2 options you have come up with heres a 3rd. SE spends some money buys more servers and opens 30 more wards per city bring the total number of houses to 10,080 per server, add more wards to the higher pop servers if needed..

This is the problem with game companys, is clients will sit back and settle and they know it..if everyone who didn't have a house cancelled there membership at once including fc's and all the members in them. bet they add more wards fast lol

SE started this fire storm with its free transfers and the far east themed housing. untill the day they opened free transfers less then half the people cared now all of a sudden its omg you selfish pigs lol

And as far as gardens i own 3 smalls so no big advange there

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We all would like that option, but if that was a valid option from SE point of view they would have done that ages ago. Many people have been asking for a split instance / ward system. Doubt it they will do something so massive by 4.2, and you are right if people voted with their wallet SE would find a way to do something like that by 4.2, but doubt such a mass exodus will happen.

I get where you are coming from, popped my head into novice network on an alt someone brought up housing and a few names were dropped. The people were not happy to say the least haha.

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We all would like that option, but if that was a valid option from SE point of view they would have done that ages ago. Many people have been asking for a split instance / ward system. Doubt it they will do something so massive by 4.2, and you are right if people voted with their wallet SE would find a way to do something like that by 4.2, but doubt such a mass exodus will happen.

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yea i know and remeberSE has not once mentioned taking away houses people currently own that is all player fuled with pitch forks..they have stated more wards are coming and a new way to buy them and also Yoshi in his latest statement said dont worry they wont sell out fast