[DEV ???] Primal weapons need to go to pool. 100 battles 0 weapons (100% Totem/Nut)

In all honesty they don't need to add the system from XI. They just need to add it to loot list like every other drop in this game.
I myself am slightly over 200 wins vs Ifrit and I've gotten at LEAST 5 of every weapon for the exception of the Bow and Lance, plus I've only gotten 2 totems after nearly 100 wins since patch. I've completely given up on getting the rest of them because I'm just too worn out from playing it despite how badly I want the Archer weapon.
And as far as Moogle goes, I can honestly say that I'm still in the single digits on just attempts simply because I heard the drop rate was the same. My LS has gone nearly quiet and most of my good friends left to play SWTOR since the patch because of the fact that Moogle is nearly a carbon copy of Ifrit with Hellfire 2.0 and very bad drop rates.

The bad drops are making people quit and not play more. Make it go to loot and people will keep playing. Keep it how it is and more people will quit.

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Originally Posted by Haru

I don't care if this is the 1.000.000th thread on this subject this really needs to change.

Firstly there's not many people on each server that goes to these things and out of the few that does I have received nothing.

I see all my friends that have 5+ moogle drops already and im stuck at 0.
They don't do Ifrit anymore because they have 7/7 and guess how many I have.. 0.

I have done over 81 Ifrit battles and got 0 drops and 0 totem.
Everytime we go they always get doubles of weapons they can't even use it just goes to waste.

Now I have done 19 moogle battles and got 0 drops. Just this run three people got weapons.. All were doubles.. Well I do have 1 kupo nut charm.. so at this rate I can get a weapon after maybe 400 battles?!

Seriously why? This needs to change.
POOL THE WEAPONS NOW! PLEASE

Weapons in dungeons are pooled its not impossible.. Either that or make the Nuts and totems 100% drops.. Not like there will be all that many extra weapons flooding in.. That's one guaranteed weapon per 3 runs.

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Yeah i totaly agree its ridiculous, the kupo nut charms should be 100% drop. I think its extremely reasonable to do 20 runs and get 20 nuts and exchange them for 1 wepon. And the wepons should definatly be tradeable when you loot them, people getting doubles and others getting nothing ever is so fkin lame. im like 0/20 myself now on the wepons and 2 nuts. Its been desgined like this because they know us long time players have nothing else to do endgame apart from this fight over and over and they want us to farm it for months. Yeah its a fun fight but its getting tedious and unrewarding. Also anyone that doesnt agree is fking trolling this thread.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

So what your saying is that someone that has played for say two months in a shell should have the same rights to gear as someone that has been in the shell for like six years? That's just silly lol

On topic though, have the dev team ever explained why the loot system in the primal battles is so bad? Just wondering

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II'm not even going to bother going into this with you cause it simply isn't worth my time.

If they would make the drops goes into the loot list like drops from mobs but not advertise it to other players I would be happy. That way people can pass a item to someone if they want but won't feel forced by someone to give up their drop.

Edit: I have over 15 wins (I don't really keep count) I have 2 weapons I can't use and have never seen a totem. Someone I know has already traded in some totems for a weapon. I think I just got unlucky on totems and won't complain about the drop rate.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I just can't imagine why they don't just slams XI's system into the game it was simple and sweet.

Shared loot pool anyone can lot/pass in, there were a few tiny issues but even with that it's far better than what we have now. The low drop rate isn't even the issues it's the low chance that you will find yourself with the correct item at the end of the day.

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Or just rip the avatar/abyssea loot system from XI as well when you complete a primal fight:

Choice of Item
Choice of Weapon
Choice of Pact (For lesser summons)
Choice of Gil

Very simple, obviously they'll have to adjust the reentry timer to slow the amount of weapons flooding in, but it's a trade off for 100% acquisition people want.

this new loot system is more bullshit than the previous one. Now u have charms that drop at just as shitty a rate as weapons taking up possible weapon drop slot. Its farking moronic. Ive done 12 moogle wins and gotten 1 charm while other lsl members have done the same and gotten 3 weapons and 4 charms. THIS SHIT HAS TO STOP! After hundred of ifrits drop i never got a damn axe yet i got 8 ifrits canes multiple harpoons/bows and a fists. They really dont want us to play this game or they got there hands up there asses when they think about this dumb shit.


* BTW DEVS! totems/nuts dropped at a fixed rate means a fixed rate u dipwads not just as rare/randomly as weapons.

One thing I will agree on, totems that rarely drop and yet you need so many really are pointless

hopefuly that gets fixed, there was no reason to even add them with how they did it

Let's see what the hell SE will do! Come on, billions of people are asking for it...

Hmmm first they didn't want this to be like FFXI now they want it to? Sorry just started playing but pretty much seems to be that way.

Instead of loot pools and what not how about some kind of point system where you gain a point per kill and after so many kills you can use the points to buy a weapon of you're choice. Not saying my idea is any good but I really don't want another FFXI endgame.

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Originally Posted by Enma

Let's see what the hell SE will do! Come on, billions of people are asking for it...

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BM !
ahr ahr ahr ahr :3

remove the damn Darkmatter, make all DM drops into Nut/ifrit thing. Keep weapon drops the same.

It's a Disgrace and an Insult! Please, change this now!

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Originally Posted by Lexin

Hmmm first they didn't want this to be like FFXI now they want it to? Sorry just started playing but pretty much seems to be that way.

Instead of loot pools and what not how about some kind of point system where you gain a point per kill and after so many kills you can use the points to buy a weapon of you're choice. Not saying my idea is any good but I really don't want another FFXI endgame.

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Quite a few XI's reward systems were point based lol, so you don't want another FFXI endgame..yet you want something a few of the systems there utilized? (Assault, Nyzul, Einherjar, Limbus (in a sense), Abyssea (the currency is basically points), Pankration.)

Just do it like the damn dungeons and everyone will be happy

there is a few things SE is flat out ignoring.
this is one of them
the totem and charm is fail.
another is multi ls chat by way of /l1 /l2 /l3 and so on
another is the repeated search system fail. i can only look up ppl around me that are close to my level. so i cant just search for my buddy and see where there at? (multi epic fail) ppl are still shouting

i thought maybe they were holding out the good stuff till they make us pay then they toss in a working ah feature.
maybe they have monkeys working at SE?
who knows

better get some smarter monkeys if they want my dollars though

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Originally Posted by slipmac

there is a few things SE is flat out ignoring.
this is one of them
the totem and charm is fail.
another is multi ls chat by way of /l1 /l2 /l3 and so on
another is the repeated search system fail. i can only look up ppl around me that are close to my level. so i cant just search for my buddy and see where there at? (multi epic fail) ppl are still shouting

i thought maybe they were holding out the good stuff till they make us pay then they toss in a working ah feature.
maybe they have monkeys working at SE?
who knows

better get some smarter monkeys if they want my dollars though

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ignoring?
the reps are on vacation they cant exactly respond right now

1) the totem system is new, if they see peoples opinions on it we may get a change on how its done soon enough
2) multi ls chat may be in the works with the linkshell stuff they are working on(its been known to be in the works we just dont know details of whats being worked on with all that yet)
3) search is only fail if people dont use it, the system is there so it obviously wasnt ignored, also if someone is your friend, ever try adding them to your FRIEND LIST, then you can see them online and ASK them where they are. Shouting will never stop as its efficient, and should be used alongside the search function.


but its obvious what ytour getting at, so enjoy playing other games cuz this one obviously isnt for you with that attitude(youve more then made up your mind)

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Originally Posted by slipmac

there is a few things SE is flat out ignoring.
this is one of them
the totem and charm is fail.
another is multi ls chat by way of /l1 /l2 /l3 and so on
another is the repeated search system fail. i can only look up ppl around me that are close to my level. so i cant just search for my buddy and see where there at? (multi epic fail) ppl are still shouting

i thought maybe they were holding out the good stuff till they make us pay then they toss in a working ah feature.
maybe they have monkeys working at SE?
who knows

better get some smarter monkeys if they want my dollars though

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1. Sure why not.

2. This was already stated they'll work on implementing this most likely for 2.0 if not 1.23.

3. You can change the level of the search......lol.

4. They said text commands, e.g /sea will be implemented at a later date, they just got the framework of it in (and it works perfectly fine for it's purpose atm.)

Could just keep it the way it is, but the weapon goes into loot instead of directly into your inventory without a system message telling others what you have. (This would seem to be something that the JP would like as well)

Then you'll have the choice to keep it, give to another if it is a double, give to another if you cannot/will not use it.

It's basically being kept like this as a time sink. If they wanted a time sink then adjust the drop rates and use a loot pool. Same freakin' difference except less aggravation.

Valid thread is vaild.
Fix please.
We want Totems and Kupo Nuts 100% drop rate for each winning member of the party.

I see no purpose in the nut and totem system as is.

0/46 myself...getting real frustrated.

I think totems are a myth. A false hope SE gave us trying to keep us occupied on these fights.

Win...Dark Matter
Win...Dark Matter
Win...Dark Matter
Win...Dark Matter
Win...Dark Matter
Win...Dark Matter
Win...Dark Matter
Win...Dark Matter
Win...Dark Matter
Win...Dark Matter
Win...Dark Matter

Micah.../cry /rage /cry /shakesfist /plays zelda

I think the development team should be brave enough to allow us to experience the content without unnecessary hurdles. Why should I pay for FFXIV when my character advancement is at the mercy of an entirely random and completely non-interactive loot system? Are the adventurers of Eorzea really that inept and cannot be entrusted to divide loot amongst themselves?

I've all but given up hopes of getting anything from these fights.. I passed over 4 parties today.. Back to work tomorrow and then I'll forget all about it until night time / weekend again.

I can see myself easily getting to 200 before a drop. That is if I can be bothered to drag into the fight again knowing full well ill just NPC another stack of Grade 5 Dark Matters

boomboom cat.
boooooom boom cat.
boomboom cat.
booooom boom cat.

boom boom cat?
boom boom cat.
boomboom cat.

Not that any of you care, but maybe SE will. I have played since launch, never "taken a break" like many have. I am about to quit because of this POS loot system. I see weapons drop left and right some to people who just joined and get it their first win. Several doubles going to waste makes me want to scream.

I know we've all heard it before but it sucks. If AF gear is ANYTHING close to this I will quit.

If AF gear with jobs IS like this...I DEF will not be around long. There is no way I will spam a fight 50 times for 1 piece of gear in a ?5? piece set. Screw that one.

I had ls mates that went 3/5 on their first night fighting ifrit and 1-2/3 on the first moogle wins (although moogle weapons I dont really care about since most of them are ugly...hello moogle punches...and stats wise arent really as good) but here I sit with accumulating dark matter.

If they would in the very LEAST give us a guaranteed totem for a win that would be wonderful. Even if everyone in the pt gave them to 1 person it would still be better for everyone. I know very few ppl who have gotten 0 drops and need just the one. Myself I could use at least 4-5. There are way too many ppl spamming this fight with us who have all their weapons and are just there to help. While kind of them to do so, its not really something they should have to do. Climbing 1-100 AND farming all weapons/gear from Nyzul Isle didnt take me this long...

These past weeks I have been doing Ifrit and Moogle almost everyday.
Ifrit around 60+ (Total I did was 100+, can't care less to count anymore)
Moogle, not so much probably 10.

I have yet to get anything from both fights, I have been wanting to get Ifrit's Harpoon for a month now, but even then, I haven't gotten anything, other than Dark Matters. On the other hand, my friends, got 9 Harpoon doubles and had to throw it all up. Wtf is wrong with this SE?

My only request to SE:
Make the weapons, or whatever fk it is go to the "LOOT". I mean, you have this system, you have the /random thing, so why does it need to go to Inventory Immediately? To make people not Ninja loot? So that there will be no LS bullshits?
C'mon, don't give me that Crap, I think those LS DKP system were great, and If any, so "MUCH BETTER" than this.

Please, can we just get a reward for hardwork and skill? or does SE's logic defies the "Hardwork+Skill/=Reward"? At least make the Goddamn crappy Totem/Charm drop 100%, what are they even for now anyway? Decorations?

/endrant

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

ignoring?
the reps are on vacation they cant exactly respond right now

1) the totem system is new, if they see peoples opinions on it we may get a change on how its done soon enough
2) multi ls chat may be in the works with the linkshell stuff they are working on(its been known to be in the works we just dont know details of whats being worked on with all that yet)
3) search is only fail if people dont use it, the system is there so it obviously wasnt ignored, also if someone is your friend, ever try adding them to your FRIEND LIST, then you can see them online and ASK them where they are. Shouting will never stop as its efficient, and should be used alongside the search function.


but its obvious what ytour getting at, so enjoy playing other games cuz this one obviously isnt for you with that attitude(youve more then made up your mind)

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i didnt mean the last couple of days i ment since beta
get real. i dont have an attitude this is real problem or there wouldnt be a long ass post about it.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

1. Sure why not.

2. This was already stated they'll work on implementing this most likely for 2.0 if not 1.23.

3. You can change the level of the search......lol.

4. They said text commands, e.g /sea will be implemented at a later date, they just got the framework of it in (and it works perfectly fine for it's purpose atm.)

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you can try to justify the search feature all you want but bottom line its crap
yes i know you can change the level great now i just have to change the level and search every zone. wow awesome search feature

I 100% support this thread.

I'm sorry, but this is the worst drop system I have ever seen in an MMO. I remember the original reason being was because they were scared of ninja looting. I will tell you right now, I much rather take the chance of someone ninja looting my item than deal with this god awful system.

Also, what the hell is the point of the totem system if it drops as often as the weapon does? This makes the system pointless and broken. Almost no one is just going to give away their kupo nut since they want to keep it, and I can't blame them, because most people don't get the weapon they want till they kill him a ton. If anything, totems should be 100% drop rate. Beating Moogle twenty times definitely deserves a guaranteed reward.

Others are right, SE is worried that people will stop playing after getting their item. I can tell you right now, more people are quitting simply because of this drop system. No one should ever have to deal with this type of system, I could go as far to say the system is simply cruel. I am on the edge myself because of this.

I beat Ifrit about over 100+ times, getting 6/7 weapons from the event during it's prime. Want to guess which one I did not get? The weapon for my main class. If you beat something over 100 times and don't get the weapon you are seeking, you have a terrible system. I have even lost the will to take on Moogle simply because I feel like I am going to fall into this again and just be disappointed. Being repetitive is one thing, but being repetitive and not getting properly rewarded is game breaking.

I know we are getting a need/greed system in 2.0, but for now I look at 1.0 and if you want to keep people from quitting, you really, "really" need to change the system here. At least someone in your group should come out happy each fight.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

I agree that the current system is bad.

1. Drops should not be going to waste. System needs to be fixed in a way that items do not get tossed in garbage.

2. Totem/Nut items should have much higher drop rate than weapons. Chances are, by the time I get 10/20 totem/nut I will already have all the weapons I want anyway, unless my party always gives me all the nuts, which is unlikely because everyone wants the totem/nut too.

3. Actually the addition of totem/nut under current circumstances only makes things worse because now there is a chance to get a nut instead of a weapon. At least before when I got a rare drop it was a weapon. Now when I get a rare drop it could possibly be only 1/10th or 1/20th of a weapon ...


Imo, ideal system would be something like 100% drop of the totem/nut item, but takes more of them to get a weapon, like maybe 30-40. Also keep the rare drop of a weapon right away from the chest. This way if you still didn't get a weapon after 30-40 tries, you can fall back on your totem/nuts. You feel like you are getting somewhere even if it takes a long time. Unlike current system, where you feel like you are just wasting your time and effort.

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Should be 20 at the most for a weapon, 20 times actually beating one of those battles is an accomplishment and a time consuming process at that even if your LS is on top of their game and can beat it every run without messing up at all. Most people mess up though and wipe here and there. My suggestion is keep Ifrit at 10 because it is an older fight, Mog is good where it is, but make the totem drop either a 50%+ or just a 100% drop. There is several people in my LS who have all the weapons and I have ran the fights as much as them and only got 2 and a totem. (Both which was obtained prior to the release of totems) Personally if I got the weapon I wanted I would play a lot more than not ever getting what I want. I have nearly given up even trying, what's the point? It is past fun at the point and just winning back to back to get nothing.

The fact that this is still not fixed already is sad really.

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Originally Posted by slipmac

you can try to justify the search feature all you want but bottom line its crap
yes i know you can change the level great now i just have to change the level and search every zone. wow awesome search feature

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So in the end you're complaining that you don't know how to use the feature? Understood. By the way, did you know it automatically searches every zone by default?

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

So in the end you're complaining that you don't know how to use the feature? Understood. By the way, did you know it automatically searches every zone by default?

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i cant tell you how many people ive seen and talked to that couldnt even set up LFP. The systems is an overcomplicated mess that does not do much more then what FFXI does. Id trade this one in any day for a more simple one 11 had any day.

still love how people can sit there and defend crap when they cnt even make basic features simple and functional, or pull this stupid loot system crap, or not even allow simple shit like sorting in market ward searches (or let you see +1s yet lol)

still baffled as to why so many people are willing to pay for what still a beta, with things that where done correct from the beginning in their ....what 10 year old game?

+10³³ votes on this, they are hard and strategic battles, yet most of us receive crap. It's a big waste of effort and after a while the battle becomes frustrating instead of fun because of this. Feels like a another job in my life if I want a weapon, no thanks. :(
I'll settle for normal weapons and real fun until the devs change it.

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Originally Posted by Nakiamiie

+10³³ votes on this, they are hard and strategic battles, yet most of us receive crap. It's a big waste of effort and after a while the battle becomes frustrating instead of fun because of this. Feels like a another job in my life if I want a weapon, no thanks. :(
I'll settle for normal weapons and real fun until the devs change it.

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At this point I rather just wait for AF weapons.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

At this point I rather just wait for AF weapons.

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they will likely be quest based and better suited for the new jobs anyways, rather not do these fights over and over. And we al know quests in these games have been pretty much a push-over, so unless they make them not easy so people can solo them (which im guessing they will) everyone and their grandmother will have a good set of gear and weapon soon enough.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

So in the end you're complaining that you don't know how to use the feature? Understood. By the way, did you know it automatically searches every zone by default?

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did you know your defending garbage and pretty much the downfall of this game?

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

they will likely be quest based and better suited for the new jobs anyways, rather not do these fights over and over. And we al know quests in these games have been pretty much a push-over, so unless they make them not easy so people can solo them (which im guessing they will) everyone and their grandmother will have a good set of gear and weapon soon enough.

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It doesn't bother me if the AF quests are hard. AF quests in FFXI were a pain in the ass, but the rewarding factor was definitely in there. As long as the quests are reasonably challenging and there is a good story to go along with it. Just don't make the requirements ridiculous, as the recent content has been lately.

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Originally Posted by slipmac

did you know your defending garbage and pretty much the downfall of this game?

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that's what white knights do best!

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

They'll improve the drop rate when you can answer the question of what you'll do after you get everything you want (other than not play anymore, that is).

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Originally Posted by ApplePie

Uh, the low drop rate is a big reason why people are quitting the game. Your point?

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

Quoting this just so everyone can look at this horrible post again. Happy New Year!

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I suppose what I said wasn't what you wanted to hear.

But, I'm not saying "Noes, u cant haz ur drop rate / lootz fix."

I'm pointing out that there's a out-of-the-frying-pan-into-the-fire problem: if it's easy to get all the junk you want from the Ifrit and Moogle events, there's not much left for you to do (unless getting all classes to 50 is appealing and doing your own forbidden materia work ad infinitum).

Running out of things to do would be as much (if not more) of a contributing factor for people to give up their subscription as being frustrated with the low rate of reward. Ironically, it's that slim chance of getting what you want that's really the only tool in the chest they have to keep you playing the grindy, repetitive content. The same grindy, repetitive content that some hardcore players apparently want to see more of in all areas of the game, to much fanfare and applause.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

that's what white knights do best!

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And it is the villagers who are quick to grab the torches whenever the white knight ever decides to ride through town. While the search features isn't 100% great, it is something that works for 1.0 till better search features are released in 2.0. I have been able to put parties together on it before, so it works well. Hell, I am grateful a search feature was put in to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

It doesn't bother me if the AF quests are hard. AF quests in FFXI were a pain in the ass, but the rewarding factor was definitely in there. As long as the quests are reasonably challenging and there is a good story to go along with it. Just don't make the requirements ridiculous, as the recent content has been lately.

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thats what im hoping for. Not only did we have a neat story for each one, but the gear itself (depending on the class) were great pieces that could last you til 75 in some cases. The thing is this game seems to need to make every quest soloable for casuals that they will be easy.