Patch 4.05 Notes up

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Originally Posted by OmegaFlare

So for white mage, confession stack is granted whenever medica II is cast or whenever medica II ticks?

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Pretty sure its just from the initial heal, everyone your aoe heal hits will get 1 confession stack including you, so basically its a freebie party heal every minute to help top everyone off. Most likely to be used with 1 stack but there are times you need to aoe heal more than once, susano Ex wide aoe and nidhogg ahk morn come to mind. I can actually see solo healing as a whm to be fairly easy now.

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Originally Posted by Joe777

It didn't have to be such a huge drop though is my point. They basically want us to use Medica/Cure 3 3 times to make it worth its now 60-second cooldown. Basically its utility is not that different than it was before. Improved, but not by much.

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The confessions only last for 10 seconds, so how many times are you going to see 3 stacks for PI? With GCD, and everything happening in a battle, I'm not sure 3 confessions is even achievable in a 'real world' use.

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

I'm happy for WARs getting their beat gauge fixed. I just want DRK's old Blood Price back. On the plus side, we got STR on accessories.

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You get STR, but how much cap room is there to meld more, if any?

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

The confessions only last for 10 seconds, so how many times are you going to see 3 stacks for PI? With GCD, and everything happening in a battle, I'm not sure 3 confessions is even achievable in a 'real world' use.

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3 stacks is very possible in extreme aoe scenarios, which could be possible in Deltascape Savage. Don't forget that the duration refreshes when you get another stack, so the stacks can last for longer than 10 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Deceptistar

AST skills became meager food level %

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10% is pretty high. 400% (8 party members) of 5% is still very good. It's like adding a third tank/Healer into dpsing for 30 seconds.

The fact that it was nerfed in half but still completely worth using, shows how great of a card it is.

Plus the spear. You now have another card worth using to increase dps. Its an hps and dps buff. Think of how powerful regens/Eos will be in an opener with rouse/litany/spread spear. Couple this with chain strategum and mages Ballad...

Ast came out stronger in the sense that lucky 100% uptime balance draws wont define your skill as a healer. It was a nerf, but it was also a qol change.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

If you do Savage raiding, you'll have more than enough gear for multiple drops and tomestone capping. If you don't, ilvl 340 is entirely irrelevant to how you play as no other content requires it. We're already facerolling Susano and Lakshmi-- plenty doing so at ilvl 290ish.

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If there was no savage I wouldn't even play this game. I'm still very disappointed nothing has changed.

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Originally Posted by OmegaFlare

So for white mage, confession stack is granted whenever medica II is cast or whenever medica II ticks?

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That's the only way I can see 3 confessions on a player happening for PI.

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Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

3 stacks is very possible in extreme aoe scenarios, which could be possible in Deltascape Savage. Don't forget that the duration refreshes when you get another stack, so the stacks can last for longer than 10 seconds.

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Oh, I wasn't aware of that, my WHM is still in the mid 50s, but I will be taking a closer look at PI now.

The thing with P.E. that bothered me the most was that if I was paired with another WHM, I couldnt tell if the confession was mine or from the other WHM. Although being 100% garantee now it will be easier, but they didnt mention there is some sort of visible difference now. They could keep it the same symbol but change the colour for example from mine to my fellow colleague.... I predict it might get a bit confusing still . There isnt anything worse that you thinking you have 1 ability, press it and then nothing.. wasted time that you could be doing some other ability...

No new hairstyles? :c

There's definitely not enough for Dark Knight changes.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

I predict a lot of happy Dragoons. Haven't leveled the class but it looks like the complaint I kept seeing has been addressed.

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You would be wrong...lol. There is still plenty of bitching and moaning on Reddit. To be fair these fixes are just the start, for a lot of jobs. Things will get better in time. Some jobs just have to wait it out a bit longer then others.

Also god damn am I glad they didn't touch SAM/RDM. Praise be SE!

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Originally Posted by Deceptistar

AST skills became meager food level %

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You can either have the best utility or competitive healing. If you want both, you have to play 3.X Scholar.

At least Spear is good now.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

No new hairstyles? :c

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New hairstyles are mainly added in main patches, like 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, and 4.5. I don't think they ever added hairstyles inbetween main patches besides events.

Glad to see that The Spear is now useful.
Yay for crit buff!! :D

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Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

New hairstyles are mainly added in main patches, like 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, and 4.5. I don't think they ever added hairstyles inbetween main patches besides events.

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*Getting up off the ground* Oh yeah.

Aaaaaannnd SMN is back to the dark ages of 2.0. guess I need to put even more effort into the class now to keep up with top Dps's lol

It's a shame really we didn't get any kind of buff.

Dark Knight needs a lot more attention than they got. They still have mitigation and DPS concerns compared to the other two tanks with not enough utility to justify it, and SE seems to just be plugging their ears in regards to this job. They don't even really mention them, it's almost always PLD or WAR.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

You can either have the best utility or competitive healing. If you want both, you have to play 3.X Scholar.

At least Spear is good now.

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pretty sure ast still has the best utility and competitive heal of the healers atm lol...

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Originally Posted by Xygoz

pretty sure ast still has the best utility and competitive heal of the healers atm lol...

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It does lol, but at least now SCH can compete. Baby steps.

So this is what Yoshi-P meant by MNKs outdamaging SAMs in Savage. Because ASTs feed MNKs spear now. Interesting. :thinking:

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Originally Posted by Deceptistar

AST skills became meager food level %

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So? Most potency buffing moves do sit in the range that AST will now, and despite how ugly that Balance nerf looks, making Spear a crit buff gives another very handy DPS boosting option that has basically no risk of messing up the player it's used on.

If it stacks with skills like Battle Litany and Chain Strategem, that could be intense!

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

So? Most potency buffing moves do sit in the range that AST will now, and despite how ugly that Balance nerf looks, making Spear a crit buff gives another very handy DPS boosting option that has basically no risk of messing up the player it's used on.

If it stacks with skills like Battle Litany and Chain Strategem, that could be intense!

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Honestly I'd say it comes out as a noticeable buff because now AST's have TWO good cards to try for instead of constantly shuffling back and forth on the off chance they might get the Balance they need. Besides like Ametrine stated if the crit chance stacks with a SCH's Chain Strategem and Battle Litany I'd honestly say the resulting damage output far and away will make even the unnerfed Balance seem exceedingly weak.

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Originally Posted by InfiniDragon

Dark Knight needs a lot more attention than they got. They still have mitigation and DPS concerns compared to the other two tanks with not enough utility to justify it, and SE seems to just be plugging their ears in regards to this job. They don't even really mention them, it's almost always PLD or WAR.

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This is exactly how it feels at the moment. We have a useless skill and a weaker mitigation kit than the others. I'm curious to see how much the potency change does for us but I doubt it's enough.

What? No Sam buff? BLASPHEMY!

Jk. My Sam is just fine for now.

But YAY for sch love. Should help a bit.

While I Still wish they'd either tweak a few of our costs or give back that % they took from aether flow, this looks like a nice start. =)

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(Two or more of the same job is not permitted)

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Anyone know if this Savage restriction applies to premades? It only says "Item level restrictions do not apply when registering as a full party."

Rip to the once kings of aoe to me having to make the switch because my favorite pet titan can't even tank something his own level without dying or on the brink of death. SE if you going to do this to us at least give us more health and better armor because when titan dies I get tired of running around in Circles just to stay alive because I can't take that many hits from the bosses from msq, which I say is a vary stupid way to have to play the game, on top of that I can't heal me or my pet. GIVE US SUSTAIN BACK and also give titan provoke boom summoner fixed.

Quite happy with the White Mage changes. Lillies will be more useful and flexible than ever and PI will make a nice splash heal chaser during unavoidable AOEs when paired with Medica 2.

Unmend in PVP has gone from 10 seconds to 30.

Shit boy do I cry...

Oh well, most of the changes are very welcome, I feel like they completely missed the point with DRG however. At least the healers seem to be on even ground now.

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Originally Posted by Taika

Anyone know if this Savage restriction applies to premades? It only says "Item level restrictions do not apply when registering as a full party."

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Item level restrictions do not apply when registering as a full party.

The caveat here is they list this new restriction on job comp under Level Requirement. Seems to me they have effectively blocked non-standard comps in Savage.

So I geuss its a good thing I leveled up Samurai, since apparently SE doesn't think Summoners should be viable. Yay? -_-

I don't understand how SE can honestly be okay with SMN being as bad as it currently is. Page after page of threads complaining and begging for SMN changes and we get... one little adjustment? Which tbh shouldn't have needed to be adjusted in the first place if they hadn't made SMNs rotation so convoluted and punishing because gauges for everyone!

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Item level restrictions do not apply when registering as a full party.

The caveat here is they list this new restriction on job comp under Level Requirement. Seems to me they have effectively blocked non-standard comps in Savage.

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That. See statics kicking out their 2/3 rdm/sam's, and returning to the regular standard comps. I look forward seeing all these complains, if it's not a typo in the patch notes, but most likely it's not and as stated by you the result. We will see when the servers go back up, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Item level restrictions do not apply when registering as a full party.

The caveat here is they list this new restriction on job comp under Level Requirement. Seems to me they have effectively blocked non-standard comps in Savage.

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Naw it's been like that since creator as well. You couldn't que up savage with two bards for example, or two mages. If you are in a full party, you can literally enter as anything you want regardless of item level, as long as you are lv70 with instance unlocked.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

Naw it's been like that since creator as well. You couldn't que up savage with two bards for example, or two mages. If you are in a full party, you can literally enter as anything you want regardless of item level, as long as you are lv70 with instance unlocked.

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Yeah that's what I was asking. Looks like we'll be alright with our double AST then. Thanks! :)

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Originally Posted by InfiniDragon

Dark Knight needs a lot more attention than they got. They still have mitigation and DPS concerns compared to the other two tanks with not enough utility to justify it, and SE seems to just be plugging their ears in regards to this job. They don't even really mention them, it's almost always PLD or WAR.

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Yeah, they do still need help, but it's still an improvement, and they managed to do it without gutting PLD. I'm curious how much mana Quietus will actually restore, may have to level my DRK and play with it.

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Originally Posted by YitharV2

So this is what Yoshi-P meant by MNKs outdamaging SAMs in Savage. Because ASTs feed MNKs spear now. Interesting. :thinking:

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Everyone knows the only card you give a monk is Arrow.

I don't even play MCH all that much and already could tell the changes they've made are failing to address some fundamental issues.

MCH wants heat, because more heat = more Cooldown usage = more DPS. Buffing Hot Shot's damage bonus while simultaneously reducing heat generation and the amount of Cooldown usage as a side effect is making the actual DPS increase they got smaller then it should be.

As it stands, overheating is still a penalty instead of a benefit in almost every situation, and still horribly punishing compared to the mistakes other classes can make. This could be fixed by simply bring the overheat damage bonus back up to 20% like how it was in pre-release Stormblood builds.

I kinda liked having PI on a shorter CD, but I guess that would be disgustingly broken, still, WHM got some nice changes.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I don't even play MCH all that much and already could tell the changes they've made are failing to address some fundamental issues.

MCH wants heat, because more heat = more Cooldown usage = more DPS. Buffing Hot Shot's damage bonus while simultaneously reducing heat generation and the amount of Cooldown usage as a side effect is making the actual DPS increase they got smaller then it should be.

As it stands, overheating is still a penalty instead of a benefit in almost every situation, and still horribly punishing compared to the mistakes other classes can make. This could be fixed by simply bring the overheat damage bonus back up to 20% like how it was in pre-release Stormblood builds.

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Yeah there's a thread on Reddit about it.

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Originally Posted by Syfurion

Yeah, they do still need help, but it's still an improvement, and they managed to do it without gutting PLD. I'm curious how much mana Quietus will actually restore, may have to level my DRK and play with it.

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In a perfect world, it would give back the values of MP Blood Price used to so that you can be pretty liberal with Dark Arts Abyssal Drain, since they didn't see fit to address DRK's passive mitigation on non-tankbusters and this change is clearly aimed at multiple mobs and dungeon content rather than raid stuff.

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Originally Posted by Furrythefireman

Rip to the once kings of aoe to me having to make the switch because my favorite pet titan can't even tank something his own level without dying or on the brink of death. SE if you going to do this to us at least give us more health and better armor because when titan dies I get tired of running around in Circles just to stay alive because I can't take that many hits from the bosses from msq, which I say is a vary stupid way to have to play the game, on top of that I can't heal me or my pet. GIVE US SUSTAIN BACK and also give titan provoke boom summoner fixed.

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I feel sorry for my fellow smn. It's like everytime they ask for something it goes over SE head.

I welcome any changes for the class but it's terrible seeing that the class keeps being blantely ignore. I still enjoy it tho

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

*hugs balance card* I enjoyed your power while it lasted~

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This right here is how I feel, lol.