Thank you SE

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Originally Posted by Tegernako

This is a thread about WAR.

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Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp

The tank fixes were exactly what we needed.
Str added to accessories.
Pld did too much damage for their utility, fixed.
Drk and war didn't do enough damage, fixed.
No more loss of gauge for war on swap.
Shake it off changed.
This shit is amazing the tanks will FINALLY BE BALANCED.

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Looks like its about all of us to me lol.

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Originally Posted by Tegernako

This is a thread about WAR.

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Apparently so was Heavensward?

Go home, this is clearly a MRD thread.

I wish we had more info on the DA effects and what they'll bring but I am happy about these changes, looks like i'll be sticking with Drk after all so i'm glad I don't have to switch to anything else.

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Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

Looks like its about all of us to me lol.

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I was joking lol

Because most of the posts were WAR oriented. It was me joking about us taking it over but whatever...

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

Apparently so was Heavensward?

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Keep that salt high.

I want all tanks to be good but I'm allowed to be happy for my main.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

Apparently so was Heavensward?

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This is a thread about balance. Idk how you guys thought SE was stupid enough to keep
letting pld have the highest damage and overwealminly more raid utility than the other two. War and drk are going to be In a much better place but it is by no means kicking pld out, those utility eclipses the other two. I love the changes the only thing I feel was not properly addressed was drk's lack of mitigation, it needs a boost for sure other than that we golden now.

Looks like PLD still has the best tools to be OT.
The "you are PLD, you MT" days are definitly dead. I hope. Stereotypes are hard to die.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Looks like PLD still has the best tools to be OT.
The "you are PLD, you MT" days are definitly dead. I hope. Stereotypes are hard to die.

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Sheltron, PoA, intervention, clemecy, holy spirit, reqriwhatever, countless CD's, two DoT's, etc.

Yeah poor PLD right? You see the reaction PLD players have when WAR gets buffed? Makes you wonder if they cared more about being better then us then actually believing in the stuff they said about WAR being fine because it has mitigation.

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Originally Posted by Tegernako

Sheltron, PoA, intervention, clemecy, holy spirit, reqriwhatever, countless CD's, two DoT's, etc.

Yeah poor PLD right? You see the reaction PLD players have when WAR gets buffed? Makes you wonder if they cared more about being better then us then actually believing in the stuff they said about WAR being fine because it has mitigation.

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Re-read what he said. Intervention is a great OT tool and it can be argued that DRK and WAR are better MTs now.

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Originally Posted by Tegernako

Sheltron, PoA, intervention, clemecy, holy spirit, reqriwhatever, countless CD's, two DoT's, etc.

Yeah poor PLD right? You see the reaction PLD players have when WAR gets buffed? Makes you wonder if they cared more about being better then us then actually believing in the stuff they said about WAR being fine because it has mitigation.

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If I was you, I'd be more concerned with my ability to read -or lack thereof- than the tank balance. Because what you just said has absolutly no connection to my post whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by eagledorf

TBH we don't know what's going to happen at all. So far we just know:

• PLD and WAR will no longer lose gauge on stance change
• Holy Spirit will be nerfed somehow
• Souleater will be buffed somehow
• Shake it Off will be adjusted in 4.1, not 4.05
• Something else will change?

Very vague.

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Storm's Path is also getting a potency increase.

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Originally Posted by Argyle_Darkheart

The changes they revealed are much appreciated, but I'm still holding out hope that Inner Release and Unchained have their recasts separated.

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Same here.

...So now we can change stances Willy Nilly without planning? Lame...

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Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp

No it's not, because warriors don't pull right now. If you were you were getting fucked over.

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For Full Parties, no argument there. I was thinking Light Parties. I should've stated. Unless you're running whole dungeons with Deliverance. Also Shirk meta has yet to become widespread, as far as I've found, so no penalty will help with swaps if you're co-tank's reluctant to embellish your vokes.

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Originally Posted by Awful

I wish we had more info on the DA effects and what they'll bring but I am happy about these changes, looks like i'll be sticking with Drk after all so i'm glad I don't have to switch to anything else.

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They only mentioned increasing our combo damage through potency increases though. So it sadly seems Dark Passenger will remain a dead skill while Quietus still won't be worth wasting a DA on.

tank dps > tank mitigation utility. Anyone who doesn't see this is either ignorant or purposefully turning a blind eye for self gain.

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Originally Posted by Vallamaria

They only mentioned increasing our combo damage through potency increases though. So it sadly seems Dark Passenger will remain a dead skill while Quietus still won't be worth wasting a DA on.

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I'm almost positive that they mentioned quietus would be getting an additional effect.

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Originally Posted by MomoOG

tank dps > tank mitigation utility. Anyone who doesn't see this is either ignorant or purposefully turning a blind eye for self gain.

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Or they are one of the 95% who doesn't do savage level content, and in normal duty finder dungeons where the most dangerous thing is 3 pack pulls with a netflix healer and a lost lolsam, tank mitigation is far more important than tank damage ;)

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Originally Posted by Fyce

If I was you, I'd be more concerned with my ability to read -or lack thereof- than the tank balance. Because what you just said has absolutly no connection to my post whatsoever.

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I multiquoted the wrong post lol

War and Drk right now do more damage then PLD so this didn't really needed to be changed. Tanks are fairly balanced right now in terms of damage with dark and war doing slightly more dps overall then pld. People were saying paladin does high damage when using holy spirit but you have to take into account the whole fight not just 1 high burst phase of a rotation.

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Originally Posted by Dekent

Or they are one of the 95% who doesn't do savage level content, and in normal duty finder dungeons where the most dangerous thing is 3 pack pulls with a netflix healer and a lost lolsam, tank mitigation is far more important than tank damage ;)

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I can't tell if this is a joke comment or serious...

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Originally Posted by eagledorf

TBH we don't know what's going to happen at all. So far we just know:

• PLD and WAR will no longer lose gauge on stance change
• Holy Spirit will be nerfed somehow
• Souleater will be buffed somehow
• Shake it Off will be adjusted in 4.1, not 4.05
• Something else will change?

Very vague.

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Where did they say Shake it off gets adjusted in 4.1? I see no mention of it anywhere?

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Originally Posted by Zumi

War and Drk right now do more damage then PLD so this didn't really needed to be changed. Tanks are fairly balanced right now in terms of damage with dark and war doing slightly more dps overall then pld. People were saying paladin does high damage when using holy spirit but you have to take into account the whole fight not just 1 high burst phase of a rotation.

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No

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Originally Posted by Baci

Where did they say Shake it off gets adjusted in 4.1? I see no mention of it anywhere?

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They say it right here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4303228

Namely this particular part of the post I linked you:

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Warrior’s Shake It Off will be adjusted.
Plans for adjustments are currently being talked over, and will be implemented sometime after 4.05.

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See I told you guys all they needed to do was add STR on accessories
But people were like "no why do we think that's better than scaling off VIT"
Because they don't want to scale off VIT anymore?
http://imgur.com/a/jXDex

Yes I agree with you OP! As a fellow WAR main I am jibbled with excitement that PLD is getting nerfed and WAR is getting buffed! Tank "balance" is back to the glory days of Heavensward!

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Originally Posted by Zumi

War and Drk right now do more damage then PLD so this didn't really needed to be changed. Tanks are fairly balanced right now in terms of damage with dark and war doing slightly more dps overall then pld. People were saying paladin does high damage when using holy spirit but you have to take into account the whole fight not just 1 high burst phase of a rotation.

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Way r u talking about? Check fflogs pld is slamming war and drk by 3 and 400 dps respectfully

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Originally Posted by Clover210

Yes I agree with you OP! As a fellow WAR main I am jibbled with excitement that PLD is getting nerfed and WAR is getting buffed! Tank "balance" is back to the glory days of Heavensward!

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He wasn't balanced it was stupid as hell. You were forced to bring drk war for anything serious, now that's not the case.

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Originally Posted by Tegernako

I'm almost positive that they mentioned quietus would be getting an additional effect.

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Well it's certainly not mentioned anywhere within the translated thread yet.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4303228

The only things they say about DRK there are:

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A3. We will be increasing Warrior and Dark Knight damage.

Dark Knight will see potency increases in combo damage.

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Nothing specifically mentioning Quietus or DA effects for other skills as you can see.

Though I don't know if maybe something about Quietus or DA effects for other skills was mentioned within the video stream itself but just not included in the translated thread.

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Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp

Way r u talking about? Check fflogs pld is slamming war and drk by 3 and 400 dps respectfully

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Compare runs where someone isn't getting full time balance.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Compare runs where someone isn't getting full time balance.

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We did. Guess what, pld does the most dps.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Compare runs where someone isn't getting full time balance.

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I did hence why I said "unbuffed" pld has higher potencies across the board, is buffed more often for more total time than the other two with requiescat and fof and are the only tank with dots. Two of them. Don't be dumb actually look into the logs, no buffs? Pld wins. With buffs? Pld wins.

Gonna need to see the numbers that were adjusted on PLD/DRK/WAR first before I go crying WAR OP - hopefully they didn't goof it up again, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Glad to hear Shake It Off is getting changed.

Glad to hear they're adding STR to accessories since that was the ideal change, hopefully that includes locking out the i270 Slaying accessories as well.

Stance dance penalty change is both good and bad. Good because it was clunky to begin with and something needed to be done about it. Bad because this returns WAR's stance dancing to being way more fluid than PLD/DRK's. PLD/DRK's still has an advantage in that you get the immediate effect of it, but I feel like they might as well be all oGCD at this point.

e: Also just read that SP is getting a damage buff? Seems strange but I guess it is our most used combo so fair enough.

I'm pretty sure PLDs that think its damage is not obscenely high are just bad and unable to get those kind of numbers, ever, so they want things to always be imbalanced in their favor.

That said, my biggest concern right now is that DRK's utility is not THAT great. Everyone talking about how "DRK has utility and Blackest Night is amazing", and while TBN is amazing, the utility aspect is not what's amazing at all. A 10% HP shield is simply not that amazing.

I'm not so sure that losing a single Holy Spirit per minute is going to significantly nerf PLD to the point that its utility is not seen as pretty much essential in prog. So, with that assumption out of the way, if WAR brings major DPS and DRK brings a 10% HP shield, I really don't see myself going DRK, which is sad because it's my main and I love the theme, but with how boring it is right now and the fact that I would rather bring more DPS than a 10% HP shield for tank busters, it's not looking good to me.

It's a step in the right direction, but it won't be enough, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp

He wasn't balanced it was stupid as hell. You were forced to bring drk war for anything serious, now that's not the case.

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Was doing a parody of what I would imagine most WAR's reaction to seeing their main class getting buff and PLDs getting nerfed. If anything it's laughable how you are happy with PLD getting nerfed PLD getting nerfed when it really wasn't needed. SE just needed to buff WAR and DRK up to par

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Originally Posted by Vallamaria

Actually the shield is 20% not 10%. But I do agree that it certainly is not that amazing indeed. Especially given that we have such a downright pitiful amount of cooldowns for mitigation. Since putting aside Rampart which any Tank can get from Role Actions, we only really have TBN and Shadow Wall which just functions as an inferior Sentinel.

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It's 20% on yourself and 10% if used on someone else.

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Originally Posted by Clover210

Was doing a parody of what I would imagine most WAR's reaction to seeing their main class getting buff and PLDs getting nerfed. If anything it's laughable how you are happy with PLD getting nerfed when it really wasn't needed. SE just needed to buff WAR and DRK up to par

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You know, honestly the only parody I'm interested in seeing is the one of all the PLDs telling WARs, "Yeahhh how does it feel now that the shoe is on the other foot!?" and "You had your time, now it's our time to be on top!", rather than fighting for balance like the rest of the sane tanking community.

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Originally Posted by Vallamaria

Actually the shield is 20% not 10%. But I do agree that it certainly is not that amazing indeed. Especially given that we have such a downright pitiful amount of cooldowns for mitigation. Since putting aside Rampart which any Tank can get from Role Actions, we only really have TBN and Shadow Wall which just functions as an inferior Sentinel.

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As someone said pretty much, I was talking about DRK's utility, meaning the value of the shield when used on another. TBN is possibly the best self-mitigation tool in the game, imho.

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

It's 20% on yourself and 10% if used on someone else.

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My bad then. I misunderstood and thought they were talking about using it on yourself rather than someone else for some reason. Thanks for correcting my mistake there.

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Originally Posted by DWolfwood

You know, honestly the only parody I'm interested in seeing is the one of all the PLDs telling WARs, "Yeahhh how does it feel now that the shoe is on the other foot!?" and "You had your time, now it's our time to be on top!", rather than fighting for balance like the rest of the sane tanking community.

As someone said pretty much, I was talking about DRK's utility, meaning the value of the shield when used on another. TBN is possibly the best self-mitigation tool in the game, imho.

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Yeah, kind of half-asleep and misunderstood what you were saying. So I'm glad they corrected me on my mistake there.

So Ninja was nerfed and Samurai wasn't, last time I check Samurai was the OP one lol

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Originally Posted by Werewolf

So Ninja was nerfed and Samurai wasn't, last time I check Samurai was the OP one lol

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Yeah, no, not really. NIN has been singled out as the most imbalanced because its DPS was not far behind SAM yet it brought massive utility... Why are we talking about this in a tank forum?

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Originally Posted by DWolfwood

You know, honestly the only parody I'm interested in seeing is the one of all the PLDs telling WARs, "Yeahhh how does it feel now that the shoe is on the other foot!?" and "You had your time, now it's our time to be on top!", rather than fighting for balance like the rest of the sane tanking community.

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And I saw WARs gloating over other tanks about their six fell meme cleaves and their rush in attack while spouting they are still the top spot for tanks after the Live Letter XXXV. But that isn't the point, I just find the whole animosity towards other tanks to be in poor taste. Wishing ill will other tank classes to get nerfed because they do a little bit more damage than you just seems childish to me. And when the nerf does happen they show joy over it, case in point the OP post

"Thank you SE for PLD nerf!"

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Originally Posted by Werewolf

So Ninja was nerfed and Samurai wasn't, last time I check Samurai was the OP one lol

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Well look at it this way, what does Samurai bring to a raid/group asides from big damage? Ninja has plenty of tools that helps the group/raid, SAM having big damage is their uniqueness. the Dev Team will make the proper adjustments eventually. I'm just glad Paladin is in the position it is right now and the Holy Spirit nerf won't affect it as much.

But what do I know I'm just a dude playing another dude while leveling that dude.