How would the playerbase feel about buying a housing plot from the MogStation?

Playerbase reaction summed up in 1 word, 2 letters;

No.

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Originally Posted by Celef

don't open that cookie jar girl !

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Indeed, though I think Pandora's Box might be more apt.

I honestly feel like this is already the case, especially with the auto demolish timer....you have to reuse i.e spend money to actually refresh the house.

Mogstation, really?
I've been playing since 2015 and already got myself a house. It's not impossible.
I do like that we got neighborhoods and not only instanced houses. If you do like instances though, there's the apartments. Or you could request actual instanced houses, with more stories and rooms and whatnot.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

Mogstation, really?
I've been playing since 2015 and already got myself a house. It's not impossible.
I do like that we got neighborhoods and not only instanced houses. If you do like instances though, there's the apartments. Or you could request actual instanced houses, with more stories and rooms and whatnot.

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I think it's mainly regarding the fact that there are practically no houses available anywhere on some of the servers due to people buying multiple to sell for more at a later date, or to have one in each zone.

Personally, the MogStation idea is not ideal. Them adding more wards would be, but they also need to limit the number of houses people can buy in a district.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

I think it's mainly regarding the fact that there are practically no houses available anywhere on some of the servers due to people buying multiple to sell for more at a later date, or to have one in each zone.

Personally, the MogStation idea is not ideal. Them adding more wards would be, but they also need to limit the number of houses people can buy in a district.

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Yeah but I got one :O There weren't any available, yes you have to hunt this which may not be ideal for some. And yes, I work full time, and have a life and blah blah. But I wanted a house, and was determined to get one so I did.

INB4

Need to pay rent for houses on mog station

90% of housing items in RNG gambling boxes on mog station

30 day timer gets lowered to 15 day timer unless you pay extra on the mog station

Basically, no thanks.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

I think it's mainly regarding the fact that there are practically no houses available anywhere on some of the servers due to people buying multiple to sell for more at a later date, or to have one in each zone.

Personally, the MogStation idea is not ideal. Them adding more wards would be, but they also need to limit the number of houses people can buy in a district.

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Never mind limiting the number of houses people (single players) can buy in a district, they need to limit it to one personal house per server, per account, and an additional allowance for 1 Free Company house if the player is a FC master also.

The redistribution of player population to new and underpopulated servers over time will help things, and it seems to me that SE wants much of that movement to happen before they open Shirogane specifically to ease the immediate rush for housing.

I think they need to deal with multiple personal houses per server/account before opening Shirogane as well since it's completely obvious that there are players with the resources and willingness to abuse the situation for personal gain at the expense of other players.

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Originally Posted by Elim

INB4

Need to pay rent for houses on mog station

90% of housing items in RNG gambling boxes on mog station

30 day timer gets lowered to 15 day timer unless you pay extra on the mog station

Basically, no thanks.

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Paying in any way on Mogstation for housing is a non-starter at this point. It shouldn't even be discussed in jest. It's a bad, bad idea.

RNG gambling boxes on Mogstation!? Are you freaking crazy. That's absolutely the path to and a trick directly from the playbook of, free to play. No, freaking, thanks.

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See even though I know you don't want these things, your post comes too close to sounding serious...triggered.

IMHO the auto-demolition timer shouldn't start until a player's subscription ends. Also, it's a 45 day timer, and I agree with that duration since it provides 6 weeks for a player to re-sub before losing their house.

Do not speak of this "M" word ever again. Now go to your room and think about why you started this thread.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

Yeah but I got one :O There weren't any available, yes you have to hunt this which may not be ideal for some. And yes, I work full time, and have a life and blah blah. But I wanted a house, and was determined to get one so I did.

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Again, it depends on the server. Some it will be much easier than others to get a house on. I myself am going to do my best to get a house when the new district opens, but if I fail at that, then who knows.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Never mind limiting the number of houses people (single players) can buy in a district, they need to limit it to one personal house per server, per account, and an additional allowance for 1 Free Company house if the player is a FC master also.

The redistribution of player population to new and underpopulated servers over time will help things, and it seems to me that SE wants much of that movement to happen before they open Shirogane specifically to ease the immediate rush for housing.

I think they need to deal with multiple personal houses per server/account before opening Shirogane as well since it's completely obvious that there are players with the resources and willingness to abuse the situation for personal gain at the expense of other players.

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Definitely, I myself(mostly because I don't craft and am somewhat of a hoarder) almost have enough to buy a Medium based on the current price listed by the NPC. I'm hoping to get one, but if I can't get one of those, maybe a small instead. If I get luck with the medium, I will definitely start crafting more so I can furnish it cheaper.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

That's absolutely the path to and a trick directly from the playbook of, free to play.

...triggered.

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Funny part is SWTOR has RNG gambling boxes (for everything including in-game currency AND GEAR) and they have a subscription model. It's also one of the lowest populated AAA MMO's. :D

I do hope that SE has morals and wont add cash shop gambling, but part of me worries after seeing what happened to SWTOR.

Adding more housing plots shouldn't cost us more money - it should be a core feature of our subscription (as a premiere selling feature of the game)...they already have ripped out so many potential items from the game and thrown it in the Mog Station. They have the nerve to charge for additional storage in a subscription game - no more nonsense please. If you want them to sell plots - might as well just go full on F2P. I think what really made me a bit perturbed is when Yoshi P said something to the effect of "very few people use the additional retainer feature so no need to add additional free retainers." I mean, yeah, that just means people don't think they should have to pay for it not that they don't want it or wouldn't use it...

Well, I mean, IDEALLY, this is what should happen:

Every time there is a major patch, new housing wards get added. Not just to the original 3 (soon to be 4) starting locations, but elsewhere as well. Coerthas, Dravanian Hinterlands (I was so certain Sharlayan style housing was going to come - I mean look at all that land!), Azim Steppe, Sea of Clouds to name a few areas. This would allow the greatest flexibility in letting people live where they want to live, and include FCs and individual housing together (since that seems to be the way of it).

This way, servers can grow to accommodate new players, and players can eventually have housing wherever they want without fear that some people are going to buy up a whole ward. It won't matter if they do because there would be enough for everyone.

I'm guessing Instanced housing in FFXIV can't work for some technical reason - otherwise they would've done it, and we just got a brand spanking new data center. I'd be interested to know if YoshiP plans on addressing the long-standing housing issue in the live letter. But there absolutely must be some data-based reason why more housing hasn't been added yet. It really seems like these servers are made of tissue paper sometimes, they're so fragile.

I've already bought the game AND pay a monthly sub, I would not want to pay extra just for my character to have a house. No thank you.

They just need to knock on the door to the office next to them and ask Dragon Quest X how they do it. I know it's a fraction of the playerbase, but I was able to get a house within my first month of playing. There is a huge list of wards upon wards that you can choose when entering the area.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

Yoshi P said something to the effect of "very few people use the additional retainer feature so no need to add additional free retainers."

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Did he really say that? That's absurd. If people aren't buying it because they think it's too expensive.

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Originally Posted by kimoi

They just need to knock on the door to the office next to them and ask Dragon Quest X how they do it. I know it's a fraction of the playerbase, but I was able to get a house within my first month of playing. There is a huge list of wards upon wards that you can choose when entering the area.



Did he really say that? That's absurd. If people aren't buying it because they think it's too expensive.

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yep it was in one of the more recent Live Letters before the expansion came out when they were talking about the storage expansion.

So the way it is now as a new player just coming to the game. I will never be able to own a house. Is this right. If they are a finite resource that is in the world itself instead of an instance. There are surely not enough of them to go around. This makes me unhappy.

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Originally Posted by ArcanoJones

So the way it is now as a new player just coming to the game. I will never be able to own a house. Is this right. If they are a finite resource that is in the world itself instead of an instance. There are surely not enough of them to go around. This makes me unhappy.

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You should be able to find an apartment. For the actual houses, if the owner (for personal) or fc members (for fc) don't enter a house within 45 days then it gets demolished and the plot comes up for grabs. If someone transfers servers when they still own a plot it will also go up for grabs. You just have to check the ward listings now and then on the hour and you should see one up for sale eventually (it'll show a white price tag next to the plot number).

So what do I do with my gil?

That would be a huge NO for my vote. . Not everyone can afford paying extra.
It would be much better to simply not allow people to have more than one house per server or per account. Opening up housing to individuals was a bad move. They should have houses be for fcs and apartments for individuals.

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Originally Posted by Emmanellain

As a lot of players have been playing for years without getting a shot at getting a house (myself included) and as it is the cause for a lot of grief in the playerbase.

Why not make it possible to buy a housing plot from the MogStation?

Note: I'm not suggesting that people paying real life cash would get the existing plots, but that the funds coming from people purchasing a plot from the Mogstation could pay back the cost of making more wards and more server space and eventually overturn a good profit for SE.

I know it's more complicated than that, but why not capitalize on something that is in high demand? We don't mind paying for an in game wedding, why not an in game house?

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Because that makes it P2W (Pay to Win), and we should avoid giving SE permission to do P2W. The further it adapts freemium wallet-gouging, the less fun it is to play the game when other people just buy the top prize.

Do also realize that if they did this, it would be a "rental" system like the retainers, not a one-time thing. There are more resources tied up in housing than there is in game play resources.

I already have issues with buying more retainers via mog station, namely I don't think I should pay more per month for enough storage space for all of my items/glamours.

I think we would be better served with more plots in general.

I don't think I would be against it IF those and exclusively those were instanced and smaller. Like imagine it were an apartment building. So basically you had the trade off of an easy home, but it wouldn't feel as great as having your unique house.

Honestly adding more wards probably wouldn't help that much, flipping plots is very lucrative.

The only thing this would do is to change the way you pay for the current insufficient plots, though? I don't see how this would solve the current housing situation at all, unless I'm misreading or misunderstanding something in OP's post...

No because I agree.

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Originally Posted by White_Wolf_X

Simple cause SE need to get off they ass and just give us more wards whenever the last one added fills up.

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Would also cut down on flipping houses because they can't hold a monopoly on it if a new one is created each time they buy it up.

Instead of fixing stuff, this will only encourage SE to release half-assed features that require the Mog Station so people can use it better.

An example is the inventory issue, players who want more space need to buy the retainer from the Mog Station. You can have up to 8 retainers and each cost 1 euro. The inventory issue is something that SE has, but they decided to capitalize on it and charge the players extra money. If SE wanted, they could have given all the players free 8 retainers, but they know that this will bring in 8 euro + subcription fee per month, so they wont change this.

Asking for stuff to come to the Mog Station, instead ingame is a dangerous path. Housing should be avaliable for everyone the only barrier should be ingame gil required to purchase an house. SE needs to sort this out, letting 1 player buy a whole ward is wrong and while the player is selfish in doing this, he/she could only do this, because of SE bad planning.

On my server some of the famous players who own a whole neighbourhood are already talking about how they are going to buy a whole ward in Shirogane, this needs to be stopped. 1 private house and FC house per server!:mad:

Read this article.
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/07/tw...sing-shortage/

Housing in this game is amazing. But it needs to be one account= one house. This is the first step towards more players getting to experience the wonderful housing system.

If you don't care about staying subbed for long durations or getting into the nitty gritty.Apartments are nice for decorating and being casual. But when you want more, and have a close knit group of friends who play together often. The housing system is amazing.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

The redistribution of player population to new and underpopulated servers over time will help things, and it seems to me that SE wants much of that movement to happen before they open Shirogane specifically to ease the immediate rush for housing.

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But there is a massive draw back to that, many people who server transferred did so for either the rewards or to escape the NA server explosion, even I transferred to escape that mess. And I can tell from what I seen there are tons of people wanting to go back to NA. After the 90 day probationary period ends, the NA servers are going to see a likely increase of players again. If they open the wards now, they will get bought up immediately, now if they wait until after the 90 day server lockout, they're playing with fire because the fact every server except the few truly congested will be open back up, and we might see a resurgence of congestion.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

But there is a massive draw back to that, many people who server transferred did so for either the rewards or to escape the NA server explosion, even I transferred to escape that mess. And I can tell from what I seen there are tons of people wanting to go back to NA. After the 90 day probationary period ends, the NA servers are going to see a likely increase of players again. If they open the wards now, they will get bought up immediately, now if they wait until after the 90 day server lockout, they're playing with fire because the fact every server except the few truly congested will be open back up, and we might see a resurgence of congestion.

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I think their definition of what is and is not congested needs adjusting. I'm on behemoth and I can't remember the last time it was open for character creation, it's housing wards are full, and have been pretty much forever, and yet we are not a congested world.

Why do you people always beg for things to be on the mogstation? This is why our generation can't save anything because you guys are so willing to spend your money on the dumbest things.

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Originally Posted by Zied

Why do you people always beg for things to be on the mogstation? This is why our generation can't save anything because you guys are so willing to spend your money on the dumbest things.

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I think that's a bit harsh, and also inaccurate. Games like FFXIV offer a better cost per hour rate of entertainment than virtually anything else on the market. Even if individual houses were to cost $5/mo, it wouldn't significantly change the equation. And given that this is pure entertainment - entertainment that you are also paying for - it's difficult to call something like this a 'dumb' purchase. If someone likes it, they like it. Who is anyone else to judge?

Don't get me wrong, I'm completely opposed to adding houses to the Mog Station (or anything to the Mog Station). Unlike you, however, I'm capable of empathizing with those who are very much desiring a housing plot, and frustrated with SE's lack of action.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

But there is a massive draw back to that, many people who server transferred did so for either the rewards or to escape the NA server explosion, even I transferred to escape that mess. And I can tell from what I seen there are tons of people wanting to go back to NA. After the 90 day probationary period ends, the NA servers are going to see a likely increase of players again. If they open the wards now, they will get bought up immediately, now if they wait until after the 90 day server lockout, they're playing with fire because the fact every server except the few truly congested will be open back up, and we might see a resurgence of congestion.

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Simply put, make all EU servers except Louisoix (since we're a very quiet EU server), and all NA servers with more than 3k characters registered total (not even active) congested servers, keep them that way for 10 years. Problem solved. People wouldn't be able to go back to the more populous servers (including myself), and SE have plenty time to open up the Shirogane wards and have people invest there.

I'd also argue for the opening of a 2nd EU datacentre and moving Louisoix to it, and opening some extra new servers there too. Try and help stem the duty finder congestion issues that are apoarentky STILL cropping up for EU players.

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Originally Posted by Zied

I can empathize, I have been saving for a large house for years now. Housing is my favorite part of the game. That being said, I still find it stupid that people beg SE to take their money by adding houses on the mog station when they could ask for them to fix the system instead.

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Agreed. I'm sure they could easily create a new area with instanced housing. They pulled it off to an extent with apartments (and said they can be scaled up much more easily with demand). I'm pretty sure the next step after that is instanced housing (maybe keep it FC only? and iterate on apartments by adding a balcony area with astroturf so you can do some housing-like gardening there - as in cross-breeding? I think that would help stem some of the issues with people feeling short-changed with housing)

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

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I can empathize, I have been saving for a large house for years now. Housing is my favorite part of the game. That being said, I still find it stupid that people beg SE to take their money by adding houses on the mog station when they could ask for them to fix the system instead.

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Originally Posted by Emmanellain

As a lot of players have been playing for years without getting a shot at getting a house (myself included) and as it is the cause for a lot of grief in the playerbase.

Why not make it possible to buy a housing plot from the MogStation?

Note: I'm not suggesting that people paying real life cash would get the existing plots, but that the funds coming from people purchasing a plot from the Mogstation could pay back the cost of making more wards and more server space and eventually overturn a good profit for SE.

I know it's more complicated than that, but why not capitalize on something that is in high demand? We don't mind paying for an in game wedding, why not an in game house?

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I can actually see SE doing something like this with future housing. In order to buy a plot, you need to first by a token off of the Mogstation. The reasoning behind this will be to limit the amount of players that can buy a house and somehow ease the burden on their servers. The token will be tradeable too.

It won't happen because buying a house is one of the most prestigious aspects of the game. Not just getting the cash but owning a plot which is very limited and high demand. It also ensures continued subs by people who are playing less but just don't want to lose their precious plot. Paid plots would ruin all of that.

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Originally Posted by Viz79

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Not that sure. I had to take an almost 4 months break and lost two mansions (personal and FC's). IRL matters.

Considering how empty most housing wards are, they really need to consider a whole revamp of housing system. At least they should separate FC's housing and personal housing. Housing wards are even more empty since there is personal housing. If system is build as I think (and which explains why they keep the system like it is), it is a waist of ressources. I'm afraid to think they build housing as if it be a map when the amount of people yell for an instance system, for personal houses, as it is for apartments and rooms.

Don't agree with it for the reasons already stated. SE "fixing" their own fuckups by milking their paying customers and Mogstation already being shady enough as is for a p2p MMO.

What I would much rather see is a company workshop that is publicly accessible for all FCs, for those that can't snag a house.

This game is subscription based, it shouldn't even have a cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Zied

Why do you people always beg for things to be on the mogstation? This is why our generation can't save anything because you guys are so willing to spend your money on the dumbest things.

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Because I want my time better invested than searching and sniping for houses, and deal with flippers and plot hoarders claiming whole wards.
If I get to circumvent this all by paying a fee with real currency, then it is a option for me.

Given how money grubbing Square Enix is as a company and how the Mog Station has gradually increased in price for sets, I'd be very very against this. Give the coin counters at SE an inch and they will literally take a mile.