Can we calm down about the daily logoff?

Just got kicked after login back into the game while in a dungeon. Now I am 2250 in que after waiting 10 minutes of 3105 of being told I am still in the game. Getting really tired of the 1015 and the 2002 that kick me out the game completely throughout the day. This is whats going to happen when housing comes out if you are not the first 500 people you are not getting a house. I was not able to get a house every time housing was made to the first few hundred. As for this being daily, I do not understand how Ixion and S ranks are going to work if maintenance resets their timers.

About 30 mins to get on Balmung atm.

Ops Ideology:

Since your plane was allowed to be overbooked by SE were forcing everyone off the plane for 10 minutes, go grab a drink or something then go through checkin for the plane again. By the way, were doing this to every plane at the airport just because we can. This is no big deal though since its only 10 minutes.

There's no reason to continue this discussion though, eventually SE will realize this is a very bad temporary solution. The only real fix is if players stop or SE actually does something on an individual player or server basis.

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Originally Posted by Ferrasper

Then you enter the world of Totalitarianism Regimes where everything is monitored. Welcome to the fake Utopia.

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Guess what this is a totalitarian regime. It is SE's property and they can will protect it. Beside, even in a non totalitarian system behaving badly has consequences.

Was waiting for Ixion and of course it would spawn right after the server wide log off was over and someone had to pull early while everyone was getting lobby errors!
Good trolling SE, got me real good!

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

Ops Ideology:

Since your plane was allowed to be overbooked by SE were forcing everyone off the plane for 10 minutes, go grab a drink or something then go through checkin for the plane again. By the way, were doing this to every plane at the airport just because we can.

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Because your 30 mins of missed game time maximum is as important as getting on a multi-hundred dollar flight on time.

Btw 9 min average wait time for DPS queue for dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Feidam

Guess what this is a totalitarian regime. It is SE's property and they can will protect it. Beside, even in a non totalitarian system behaving badly has consequences.

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I am done with this. You can't force people to change that easy. People will always find a way to get what they want whether or not you like it. Consequences mean jack shit when you don't care if you get punished. It's called being dead inside, and there is no way you can change that.

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Originally Posted by BlackironTarkus

Because your 30 mins of missed game time maximum is as important as getting on a multi-hundred dollar flight on time.

Btw 9 min average wait time for DPS queue for dungeons.

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Oh look your implying everyone was affected by this the same way, and that I play DPS so the whole thing is now OK.

Look I'm glad your able to log in and do everything you wanted to do now. Can you just admit that there was no reason to do it to my server now since it didn't need it?

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

Oh look your implying everyone was affected by this the same way, and that I play DPS so the whole thing is now OK.

Look I'm glad your able to log in and do everything you wanted to do now. Can you just admit that there was no reason to do it to my server now since it didn't need it?

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Was there even 1 person on your server AFK-tricking in their personal chambers? They too were contributing to instance server loads.

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Originally Posted by BlackironTarkus

Because your 30 mins of missed game time maximum is as important as getting on a multi-hundred dollar flight on time.

Btw 9 min average wait time for DPS queue for dungeons.

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Took me 10 minutes to get back into the server 10 minutes after they came back up. So that was 20 minutes of offline downtime; not counting the time I spent before and after not queuing into dungeons to level. Sitting in a DPS queue now; average wait time showing 16 minutes...actually it just went up to 19 minutes as I was typing this.

Bottom line is not all servers on the NA data centers have issues with congestion like Balmung and Gilgamesh do. Punishing the majority just because of the wrong-doings of the minority is never the way to go.

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Originally Posted by BlackironTarkus

Was there even 1 person on your server AFK-tricking in their personal chambers? They too were contributing to instance server loads.

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My server has no problems, I don't see how an afker on my server is able to affect the login que times for overpopulated servers, or even DPS que times for that matter. It may limit the amount of instances available but last time I heard, the instance content was not struggling anymore like it was on release week.

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Originally Posted by BlackironTarkus

Was there even 1 person on your server AFK-tricking in their personal chambers? They too were contributing to instance server loads.

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There's no instance server load anymore.

...Other than Balmung and a few EU servers.

You still haven't said why this measure shouldn't only affect the servers with issues. I have friends who only play for a few hours, and with this logout thing, when you count the fact they can't do anything the moment is announced due to queues, they lose nearly an hour of their daily limited play time.

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Originally Posted by curather

so as a dps, you stop queueing 1 hour before the kick. wait 10 minutes through the kick, wait 20 minutes to get back on, and then wait another 45 minutes to get into a dungeon. Total time lost: 2 hours 15 min.

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Yeah, this makes no sense why SE would make EVERYONE suffer from Balmung's stupidity.

Don't they want people to leave Balmung? Enforcing this on Balmung only might help with that a little bit.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

Yeah, this makes no sense why SE would make EVERYONE suffer from Balmung's stupidity.

Don't they want people to leave Balmung? Enforcing this on Balmung only might help with that a little bit.

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Because Balmung is the only server with a queue.

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Originally Posted by Gabrielleblanc

Because Balmung is the only server with a queue.

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The only one with a queue worth mentioning. Even Gilgamesh has low queue times these last few days and it can be bypassed.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

Yeah, this makes no sense why SE would make EVERYONE suffer from Balmung's stupidity.

Don't they want people to leave Balmung? Enforcing this on Balmung only might help with that a little bit.

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How is this Bulmung's stupidity? I thought S/E managed the servers....Does Hyperion allow the players to manage the servers?

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Originally Posted by Raynar-Bloodstrike

If your server doesn't have a queue, then it's literally nothing more than a 10 minute break. And yet it seems as if the sky is falling to some people. As OP said, go grab a drink or pee or something. Or, do what many will choose to do and take the 10 minutes to make yet another post about how unfair life is and then go back to playing as soon as the servers are back up and completely forget it ever happened 30 seconds later.

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Wrong. We can't do any runs when it gets close to the shut down time, so it is more than 10 mins. Say 30 mins before hand can't do any DF runs especially DPS where it is a 20-40 min wait.

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Originally Posted by Gravton

How is this Bulmung's stupidity? I thought S/E managed the servers....Does Hyperion allow the players to manage the servers?

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Most people mention Balmung because it's a well-known fact that they're the most congested NA server, and SE has just now decided to try and do something about their population, rather than try before. Also, a lot of the server load complaints have originated from Balmung, and the methods that SE are implementing to deal with the massive amount of AFKer's (again, Balmung is a culprit here--all servers have AFKers, but they don't seem to affect their respective servers the way Balmung's do because no other server is as congested, save for maybe Gilgamesh) are proving to be an annoyance to everyone, including people on servers that aren't congested, don't have issues with queues or server stress, and they're just expressing their disdain. Balmung is just easy to point the finger at because of its size.

Ahhhh so your saying that ppl don't realize that if the servers weren't congested in the first place, there wouldn't be a need for the afk exploit? It's just easier to blame other customers than the business that is actually responsible I guess.

What's this about red herrings?

balmung is bad, is balmungs fault

No but really people do need to settle down esp if you are on the same DC as Balmung because guess what when Balmung is instable we bring the entire DC down with us. When our massive server is shitting it self we shit the entire DC with us not to mention we also have Gliga. If you are on the Aether DC this is a godsend REGARDLESS of what server you are on.

p.s. 12 person queue at 1:40 PM PST that's pretty awesome!

Is anyone elses server had long wait times or anything else since the reset?
Otherwise, everyone should be able to log in with no problems.
Instead of looking at the bad, let's all think about now that people
can ACTUALLY log in to play. Tank/Healers so DPS times should be a bit shorter?

I logged on 45min before the reboot, darn I never got a msg in chat...

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How about No? They being selfish isn't about the quick log back. It won't change how duty finder works.
It's the fact selfish people in 1 server cause the rest community to have to adjust our primetime for playing.
Be selfish, afk, insta-queue whatever on your own server with your own money.
Don't drag the rest of us for your own incompetence choosing server.

"Let one bad apple spoil the entire bunch! Don't be mad! Another 10 minutes of apple picking and you'll have another bushel of fresh apples! AND THIS HAPPENS EVERY DAY! BE THANKFUL!"

I'm just thankful all of you flock to one server...

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Originally Posted by Gravton

Ahhhh so your saying that ppl don't realize that if the servers weren't congested in the first place, there wouldn't be a need for the afk exploit? It's just easier to blame other customers than the business that is actually responsible I guess.

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No, I blame SE for waiting too long to take care of Balmung, and address its overpopulation/server strains. Sure, it's locked to all character creation and transfers now, but that was a very recent thing; it was overpopulated and strained way before those restrictions were put into place. I also disagree with the decision to auto-kick entire data centers when there is only one (maybe two) servers that are being overstrained.

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

Its not just 10 minutes when you have to plan around this forced logout when you are already actively in the game doing something whether it be MSQ, DF, or even crafting/gathering.

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You have an HOUR's notice. Give me a break.

It's rather strange how I am in the same data centre as Balmung and i don't give af about the 10 minute kick. Life is too short to stress about something so mundane and minuscule.

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

Is anyone elses server had long wait times or anything else since the reset?
Otherwise, everyone should be able to log in with no problems.
Instead of looking at the bad, let's all think about now that people
can ACTUALLY log in to play. Tank/Healers so DPS times should be a bit shorter?

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Not any shorter here, still 25 min wait for DPS que. Was 20-40 before the shutdown so no difference.

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Originally Posted by Whiteprincess

I logged on 45min before the reboot, darn I never got a msg in chat...

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Unless I missed a message or two, they only did the one about an hour prior, and then right before going down. WOuld be nice if they could expand the messages to quarterly to try and catch as many people as possible.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Unless I missed a message or two, they only did the one about an hour prior, and then right before going down. WOuld be nice if they could expand the messages to quarterly to try and catch as many people as possible.

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I probably missed it due to ppl /sh at the red light district. /cry. Lol

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Unless I missed a message or two, they only did the one about an hour prior, and then right before going down. WOuld be nice if they could expand the messages to quarterly to try and catch as many people as possible.

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I don't think they give you a notification upon log-in either, since I've seen some people say they logged in and didn't get one, and then were kicked not too long after.
If they're going to insist on doing this, posting a notification that appears as one logs in during the hour-long time frame before the shutdown would be advised.

The boot is a function solution to a problem being seen on every server: anti-afk abuse. Just because you aren't personally overburdened by login queues doesn't make the original problem go away. Every server will see a benefit, even if it's small.

As you said, it is just ten minutes, which is sandwich/bathroom time. However, the playerbase has every right to be angry, as this is a Balmung problem that is now affecting everyone.

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

As you said, it is just ten minutes, which is sandwich/bathroom time. However, the playerbase has every right to be angry, as this is a Balmung problem that is now affecting everyone.

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My only issue with that stance is the assumption it's a Balmung only problem. Balmung is the most obvious sufferer, but anti-afk exploits negatively impact dungeon queues on every server.

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Originally Posted by Kethic

...but anti-afk exploits negatively impact dungeon queues on every server.

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...what?

Duty queue =/= login queue

Thank you SE!
Yesterday 2 and half hour queue...today 0!
Thank you!

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

...what?

Duty queue =/= login queue

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Hrm.

I was under the impression that dungeon queues pulled from the data center. If there are players that are idling, while other players that want to queue for a duty can't log in, that would suggest that the duty queues would get longer.

On less busy servers, the difference may only be a few minutes, but it is still an improvement for people trying to actively play, especially with DPS queues being long even on unpopulated servers.

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The boot is a function solution to a problem being seen on every server: anti-afk abuse. Just because you aren't personally overburdened by login queues doesn't make the original problem go away. Every server will see a benefit, even if it's small.

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No, not on Hyperion.

The longest login queue I've ever had was maybe 2 minutes. This is a 10-minute delay preceded by a mandatory logoff.

I already get up and pee. I also run 40 miles per week. A mandatory break, if it occurs during my playtime, is of absolutely zero benefit. In fact, it causes me to wait before I can log in.

Shouldn't that be one of the benefits of playing on a normally populated server? Not having to wait to log in?

I guarantee you, nobody likes this outside of Balmung. Nobody will say, "oh yay, I love this because ???!"

Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy band-aid on a Balmung problem.

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

...what?

Duty queue =/= login queue

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Enough afk players though and queues can see an increase in time for duty queues. He is not wrong.

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Originally Posted by Ferrasper

I am done with this. You can't force people to change that easy. People will always find a way to get what they want whether or not you like it. Consequences mean jack shit when you don't care if you get punished. It's called being dead inside, and there is no way you can change that.

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0 to 100 real fast.