Raiders, why do you raid? None riders, why not?

i have some sort of voice chat anxiety :x i had a non voice chat group back in 2.x and cleared coil, but the group fell apart in 3.0. and since nobody wants to raid without voice chat i am stuck at casual content...

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I enjoy raiding and will continue for the challenge, although I think being BIS for just a few months makes it a bit disheartening. Move away from this whole glamour is the real endgame and make it so if you want the best gear do the hardest content. If they want it for glamour then fine make a replica piece using MGP. The real piece should have set bonuses or add a system to customise stats on raider gear similar to Anima.

They should be the best pieces available all the way through an expansion and still be the best piece at the start of the next expansion/first new raid.

It's because raiding can be considered as serious business by most players and always brings endless drama to the players inside and outside the static group themself..

Here's a list of the dramas created by raiding:

1. Someone is being singled out because of their performance.
2. The treachery of whiteknighting those who are parts of the static despite they are core of the problems.
3. Promoting "everyone can do what they want" is a blatant lie, because most will frutrate over losing in raiding, being casual raider is never an option.
4. Being hardcore means being serious in everything, not my cup of tea.
5. That someone in the static who's regurally absent/faulty/problematic but always have the first position in everything because that someone is a friend/lover with someone in the static
6. Loot drops may cause jealousy and hate.
7. A player having activity outside of the static group may be branded as a heretic (joining other group for raids or nin raid contents
8. And many many more

And without static, raiding environment with strangers almost feels like meeting with a stranger who always claim "This works with my group, so if this doesn't work it's your fault" kind of thing.

I used to raid a lot in LotRO, then by the time I'd gotten to raids on XIV I had a different job with a lot less time. The current raiding meta does not allow for people with a small amount of time to play to even get a foot in the door, you either commit to a static and stick with it no matter what or you're a "dirty casual" who obviously can't play well and will only hinder the group. I'd love to get back into raiding, but I can't commit to a rigid schedule like that anymore.

I don't like statics or playing a game like a commitment.

The only reason to have gear from the raids is to be on the bleeding edge for the next tier of raids.

Most of the gear has a pretty specific look to it and I don't think it would be great for glamour. And glamour versions of coil gear were added so if there is something that I think looks good I can probably just wait and get it for significantly less effort.

My whole experience with raiding in mmo's stems from thats what my friends who I used to mainly play mmo's with loved to do almost religiously

But every single time, it turned into serious business and all fun was sucked from the mmo, eventually drama unfolds between the group of friends and the people my friend FC/Guild leader inevitably recruited to the FC/Guild to bolster numbers.

Repeat ad nauseam, it genuinely reached the point were I just couldn't play an mmo with them any more because they always resulted in me burning out from the pressure of having to crunch with a strict commitment to a raiding schedule and the drama, just... the drama says enough. (although they've quit mmo's now because raiding is all they literally want to do, that or pvp, the other parts of any mmo just does not interest them.)

Now with raiding if I do any at all, it is now more casual. As a result, I am enjoying XIV a lot more. Granted I have mostly played it for the story anyway, but still.

Compared to WoW were although the story is there the focus isn't as in your face / strong. You either raided or did pvp in WoW, or not do much of anything.

Playing since 2013

Never did any savage/T9 raid

Afraid of getting yelled
Kicked
Afraid of elitists who can make your life in FF miserable in a couple of lines.

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I used to raid a lot in WoW however for a long time before I quit that (4 years ago roughly) and although it was enjoyable and not too drama filled it still took up a lot of time, it was enjoyable though and the company that I did it with were amazing. Unfortunately though I fell out of love with the game and I quit. However I don't raid in this game (the savage modes etc - I'm fine with everything else though when I have the drive and motivation to get it done) but almost all of what you listed I have seen come up as issues from friends in game who are in statics and raid, be it mid/hardcore.

I have at times thought I wanted to give it a go but seeing how toxic and the grief some people get, that isn't necessarily something I find appealing. So that is the reason why I will for now stay as a casual who socialises and enjoys playing at their own pace without any constraints or the will of others ruling with an iron fist. xD

The short answer, I'm not raiding because I'm only ilvl 240.

Long answer, is a bit more complex:

Some games I'll raid in, some I won't. It really depends on how the content is laid out. When I played WoW last, I raided Emerald Nightmare and Helheim. They offered unique challenges and I liked the methodology of learning the fights. Hell I did Sepherot for the first time a few days ago with a DF roulette and only like one person knew the fight. That was alot of fun going through and learning it. Even if some where making the same mistake over and over.

Problem with most raiding content in most games is lockouts. Getting into raiding usually means logging in on raid day, raiding, and then you log out for 6 days before raiding again. This is caused by a lack of raiding content. Adhering to a schedule can also sometimes be a bit daunting at times. Even in my situation where I literally have the free time outside Thursdays to raid any of the other six days.

But the cause of that is the lack of motivation, resolve, patience, and responsibility with the average player. Many would simply call them scrubs or unskilled. But that actually isn't true. Those attributes are required for coordination on a larger scale than a single group. It'd be nice to be able to go with a semi-random group and clear content whenever. But sometimes people struggle even with four man content. Again, its not skill, experience, or ability. But a lack of motivation, resolve, patience, and responsibility.

And that is why in most games players have to rely on guilds or in this case, statics. And slightly off topic, I never understood why people resolve to statics in FFXIV instead of FCs dedicated to it?

I will probably get into a bit of raiding or somesuch in the near future. As I'm not going to be content with the DF for much longer (its already routine). But for how long? That depends on how interesting the content is. So far I like the DF bosses, even if they can be a tad easy since everyone knows the stuff.

I don't raid because of the annoying RNG. I've read about players never getting their chest piece or weapon. And I for myself had similar experiences, too.

I was a Raider once.. but I wouldn't do it anymore, because I go work five days a week and I am never be home before 5/6pm.
And I love going out at weekends with friends and doing things in rl.
Raid costs a lot of time.. its almost scary..
Well, thats my experience with raid. The time I raided I stayed home all we and it wasn't even hardcore raiding.
When I think about that I am just shocked.
Also I almost lost a dear friend because of raiding and the lack of time.
Now I am happy I won't do it anymore. Just casuel playing and enjoying it when I have the time and want it :)

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Originally Posted by lvlagmarink

It's because raiding can be considered as serious business by most players and always brings endless drama to the players inside and outside the static group themself.

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Raiding is what you make out of it, and endless drama is definitely an exaggeration. Virtually none of this is true for my group, all of those points are signs of bad leadership.

A raiding group has to be founded on a common goal or mindset. It's virtually impossible for everyone "to do whatever they want", because that's going to cause friction between members with different goals, aka drama. That being said, as long as people agree on the ideology of the group, you can be casual or hardcore or anything in between, everyone just has to be on the same page.

The more casual and vague people are about setting up the group, the more problems and drama it's going to cause down the line, maybe that's why it seems like being casual is not an option. The more clear and elaborate the rules and expectations are, the easier it is to approach everything with a rational mind. The rules can be made out to be as casual as people want, like only raid once a week for 2 hours, but everyone should be dead serious when negotiating with the group and then properly hold on to the agreements. That is really the only way for a group to function in long term, casual or hardcore alike.

Perhaps the most difficult thing about raiding is to figure out what exactly it is that you yourself want out of your time. Once you figure that out, the rest is just about finding or establishing a group that matches your preferences.

I used to raid in 1.x (sr5c) and then in 2.x, my fc did all the coil raids and it was so much fun...but quickly we realized how the gear goes obsolete way too fast and the reward for the effort and time put in..its just not worth it. Also not a fan of team jump rope, one shot mechanics and lock outs.

Also not a fan of how its just bosses in a square or circular room. There is no interesting zones to fight in along with ugly gear rewards and stats are meaningless...there is no true "need" for raid gear. I can clear all content easily with other gear so I just don't care anymore :/

I don't raid for a few reasons.
- I'm not patient enough and get mad really fast
- Raids feel like bashing your face against a wall for hours until you break it....just to get to the next one to repeat the process all over again
- I don't like stuff where I have to rely on 7 other people to do everything pixel perfect just as they have to rely on me to do so aswell. Don't get me wrong I'm not scared of stuff like that but I prefer doing that alone
- I dislike coming home having to play a certain game/content because of shedule. I prefer to come home after work and pick a game I feel like playing or do something with my psn/xbl friends
- There is no real incentive for me to do them
- I'm mostly not skilled enough to perform the necessary button inputs to overcome them
- I have yet to find people that may make this fun, though after the Thordan Ex disaster I highly doubt I could ever be motivated to give raids/ex trials a chance again

My first reason for not raiding is that my server is american but I'm european, so times are making it hard for me to join a static. I could find an european static but I'm not done with the reasons.

The second reason is that I dislike FFXIV raids because they have only two mechanics: OHKO and dps racing. I raided in other games and only few matches were pure dps races, while the others were all about "proper positioning" and such. OHKO were also present but you usually have more than 8 people with you (usually 10 or at least 20) and even if someone dies you can still recover. I never felt this in any encounter in this game, resulting in a "domino effect".

I raided coil and it wasn't fun at all and while some fights weren't heavily about dps races, OHKO just turns me off for generally being a cheap difficulty spike.

And my third reason is...why even raid when I can get the best gear in the game for free every week? Yeah not all are BiS but it's still higher stats than a 260 gear!

I only raid for fun. I didnt do much alexander since i didnt really find the fights fun. Coil waa great, and hopefully omega will be good.

There's a lot of reasons why I don't raid, and the difficulty isn't on the list.

- I'm not level 60, nor anywhere near the required iLv to participate in relevant raids
- Refuse to run older raids unsynced
- I am too much of a butterfly to commit to progression raids. I like my freedom to do what I want, and go where I want as I please
- I have so much other stuff going on: Maxing out beast tribes, progressing through 3.0, and crafting/gathering activities take up the time I do have to put in.
- BiS gear is not important to me.

All that said, I'm not opposed to endgame. I just have to get there first. As in other MMOs I have played, I do raids solely to test my own ability and lose interest after the clear. Repeating them is more to help others at that point.

I raid because I enjoy the challenge. I'm hella casual, though. I wanted to get into raiding in midas but only caught up gearwise in the catchup patch, and nobody wanted tanks. Raid finder was a lifesaver until my fc/friends list got big enough to put a group together (even if some of them are always late. grgr)

I enjoy challenges though, I wanted to clear all the lv50 primals synched and I was interested in doing coils synched, too, but I'm a tank and I have the MAD tanxiety. It feels like if you go into anything hard and something goes wrong, people always blame the tanks... and so I get nervous and actually do mess up, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It annoyed me that I felt like I HAD to raid in this patch as a tank though, because the shire gear was a pile of piss. But I didn't clear the tier anyway so I suppose it doesn't matter.

tl;dr I do raid but I may as well not raid because I never got past a10 orz

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Originally Posted by Mirch

"pls this game too ez"

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Lets be real, raiding is easy on this game. Raids in this game are mostly memory and DPS checks(barring the latest set). Most— not all—savage floors have been (almost completely) solo healable, even on day one of release. I think the only time I felt truly challenged as a healer in this game was back in T1-T5 when I was in darklight and not comfortable with the game yet.

I honestly miss SWTOR raiding where I felt like a real healer, not a DPS healer hybrid, but the SWTOR dev team stopped creating raids for over two years and my whole group moved here. I'm NOT saying I don't like FF14 raiding btw, I just wish healing was challenging in this game.

Anyway, I raid because I enjoy hanging with my friends and it's something to do. Back in SWTOR my raid group competed for server firsts, but in this game my raid group is casual.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

And slightly off topic, I never understood why people resolve to statics in FFXIV instead of FCs dedicated to it?

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The game launched in a form that heavily encouraged statics. You could only beat a turn of coil once a week, so you couldn't help out your FC members. So having a static group you did your one run a week with became the status quo. The changes they have made since then are building on that foundation of a static-focused community, and also a lot of people that would've been interested in an endgame that was more open to FC participation have long since given up or left the game.

I raid mainly for fun. I like challenges. I'll do it even if no reward for doing it.

I used to raid briefly in Vanilla WoW, I was a kid so I only got to BWL and was more PvP focused PvPing when AV weekends were ALL weekend and if you didn't get in you didn't get in all weekend. BC - WoTLK became PvP arena oriented/hardcore raiding, and then stopped raiding, PvPd more and played other MMOs for PvP (TERA, Blade and Soul, GW2) I didn't raid again until FFXIV coil, SCoB/SSCoB and clearing FCOB and then into Gordias/Midas.

Fast forward to now ran with friends with the classes that we wanted to clear it on, we didn't run with a meta DPS comp or anything we just played practiced and got better and enjoyed learning new strategies on clearing the current content before Echo. It was fun learning the fights and getting the gear which looked amazing this time around, everyone got their mount and now we're waiting for SB, as for me I mostly just PvP these days as there's nothing else to really do in XIV.

Raiding was fun but now we need SB and we want it now :D!

I raided as a PUG in ARR a little and really enjoyed the fights and people I met. By the time I was interested in running Alex raids, Gordias was current and all I heard/read was how much of a static breaker it was and no fun to be had running up against Pepsi Man over and over. Honestly, it scared me off. I want to enjoy running content. I stuck to the extreme primals and haven't regretted it.

I stopped raiding for many of the same reasons as everyone else. I loved my static group but having a set time commitment eventually caused me to stop raiding.

Also, I found Coil to be much more interesting than Alexander (in terms of story).

I get plenty of stress at work, I don't need to add to it with time constraints and the like in game.

I try to raid as much as I can, being a solo player. Only reason I do it is for the gear, if I had other options I wouldn't bother since it's just far too much work, because again, I'm a solo player. I would love to join a static and raid properly, but unfortunately I have a very fluid schedule IRL and can't commit to a set schedule that a static would require.

I used to raid in FFXI, lots. Did any piece of new content I could back then..

Oh, how I miss all that free time xD

Now sadly, I just don't have the luxury of a set schedule I used to have, so I pretty much just go at things at a casual pace and try to help out others when I can.

Plus, when it comes to this game, I think Savage may be a bit out of my league anyway, so I stick with Ex Primals to get my kitty fix for challenge xD

It's hard to find people who can put out damage and who I would like to actually be around in a voice or text chat with.
I do hope to try party finders out more in Stormblood though.

I tried to be a raider, but since I get home late nights, it don't work for many people. I get off at 10pm cst, usually getting home around 11pm-ish. However, I generally don't log in until midnight after I made sure everything at home is cool and I shower or so.

That said, midnight is too late for some people (est), and not to mention if I am needed to stay at work a few minutes extra until my relief arrive, that causes me to show up to Raid late.

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Also, I never cared to gear for BiS. If I'm upgrading my iLv260 piece that has Determination for an iLv270 piece that has Skill Speed, I'm grabbing the iLv270 piece. Because of that, I don't want to be one of "those" players, so I'd just stay away and let the group grab someone who takes it a little more serious than me.

And then, there's the videos. I spent a good about of time watching the guide for A11S, only to join a group that kicked me for not knowing the 2-point at the time. Not even giving me a second time after the first wipe. Because they were looking for a tank that was experienced with his job, I was confused; I wasn't aware that experience with your job was the same thing as being experienced with a fight for the first time.

Reasons I don't raid Savage content:

1) I can't trust those cliques any farther than I can throw King Kong.

2) Raid mechanics seem to be deliberately mage-unfriendly. Getting into a rhythm is nearly impossible without AoEs plastering 75%+ of the battlefield.

3) They require reaction times that a neurotic cat couldn't achieve.

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It's hard to find people who can put out damage and who I would like to actually be around in a voice or text chat with.
I do hope to try party finders out more in Stormblood though.

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From my experience, I joined groups who had the dps but kept making the same mistakes, causing wipes (no Soar in the beginning, but tether errors were consistent). I also joined groups who DIDN'T have the dps, but the battle flown nicely due to knowledge of mechanics (we saw Soar in the beginning, but still win the fight).

I can't commit to a static. NA server statics tend to have an almost unhealthy requirement for dedication & perfection that I'm not willing to accept. It's almost like it's a lifestyle, a life or death situation, rather than still just gaming. Doing 1dps less than optimal or unable to raid four times a week for 3hrs minimum each time? Then you're clearly a scrub casual & can't be involved. X'D

Yes, this is heavily satirical.

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I can't commit to a static. NA server statics tend to have an almost unhealthy requirement for dedication & perfection that I'm not willing to accept. It's almost like it's a lifestyle, a life or death situation, rather than still just gaming. Doing 1dps less than optimal or unable to raid four times a week for 3hrs minimum each time? Then you're clearly a scrub casual & can't be involved. X'D

Yes, this is heavily satirical.

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Man, when I see those requirements, I cringe every time.

I used to raid in WOW here and there, and eventually discovered that I just wasn't good at raiding. So eventually I decided it wasn't worth anymore.

Also, there's way too much pressure to be perfect and I can't deal with that.

I also got tired of hearing that I have to speak in voice chat if I want to raid because voice chat is very hard for me.

Non-raider purely because I don't have the time. Raiding is like a job, you need to turn up on the time your raid team needs you. You cannot raid if you can't put the time aside for it.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

Raiding community is very small in this game. Knowing why some people are avoiding it and why others are going for it can help understand why less than 10% of the player base are raiders. (This % is based on Savage Creator clear rates).

So list your reasons below. Raider or not and why? :)

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Raid in Everquest. After that, even the 24 man raids here are too small, numbers-wise, so I do not bother with them. Give me some REAL raids - 3 party alliances are a start, how about 6 party alliances? We don't *have* to see everyone's health in an alliance.

Im a non serious raider, as in I'll pluck about one or two savage runs that Im not amazingly intimidated by and ease the tension by doing it in duty finder but being someone who did void ark, Wiping city and Dun scaith not only in a row but with only one wipe at the start of mhach Id say more of those! Those were fun! And less of the Benny Hill crazy purgatory level of memory games that is alexander savage.

Though if I had a static that is fun and crazy like NEST then oh god Id do nothing but raid success or not.

I haven't raided in this game at all since I've started it last year summer time. Before FF14, I used to raid anything and everything in any game I used to play. That was a time when I was younger and had more time in my life (used to work only 3 days a week, totally 40 hours). I don't know if its an age thing (I'm 30 now) but I noticed in the last three years alone, raiding started exhausting me. I don't know if it was the progression times I spent or learning or whatever but it came to a point where I couldn't see myself doing any activity longer than 30mins without starting to feel tired.

I think that's why FF14 feels like the game most suited currently at this time for me. Its so...lackadaisical in everything it provides that I can pop into the game and just completely mellow out. Even if its savage or 24man. As for 8man savage, I just learn it to clear and don't bother repeating it because I have poor retention rate and BiS gear isn't my focus.


Can't say for sure if I'll go back to timelocking myself for SB but for now...I just want to keep this mellow pace. Can't exactly do that with other games.

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was.
To clear raids is my real test, to git gud is my cause.
I will travel across the net, reading all the guides.
My rotation to understand, for DPS sky high!

Savage raids, (gotta clear em all)
Screw RNG. I control my destiny!
Savage Raids! Yeah I'll clear them fam, and then get all best glams
Savage Raids, (gotta clear em all)
With skill so true, my leet deeps will pull me through.
I'll play a lot for best in slot
Savage Raids! (gotta clear em all)

Gotta clear em all!
SAVAGE RAIDS


I'm not sorry

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