PAX 2017 : Request the next new Job

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Originally Posted by Mature

Yoship just mentioned at PAX that he is interested to know what Job/Class we would like to see next (added)

This question​ came about as someone wanted a new tank like a puppetmaster tank.

So What Job should be or would you like to be implemented next. (Possibly half way through 4.0 maybe a bit like what happened with Ninja in ARR)

Red Mage and Samurai were very popular choices from us.

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Correct after we have played the upcoming expansion, however he stated as you mentioned, please let us know what job/class we would like to see next! Not what role you would like to see. So that means, he's not asking for a Job suggestion including a role suggestion. If anything and they would go the ninja route (even tho they mentioned that they would never do that again), that 3rd job that might get added mid expansion would be probably another DPS, and not a tank or healer. Unless they are going to add 2 (extra) new jobs, and I don't see that happening. All I can say is, be careful what you're wishing for, might end up with Blue Mage/ Dancer/ Beast - Puppet Master etc. as DPS and not as many people hoping for tank/heals.

Insult Swordfighter (DPS)

"You fight like a dairy farmer!" "How appropriate, you fight like a cow."

Attorney (Tank)

You know all those clickable things in dungeons? Attorney has to check each one and they gain their abilities in dungeons to use against the bosses. In the open world and story-based dungeons, they'd get attacks based on story. Weapon is their pointer finger.

Dancer as healer or Geomancer as healer/magicDPS.

Can i have a Kirito dual-wield Tank/DPS Hybrid?

We can call it Sword Artist (Onliner)

No more DPs, neither Blue Mage tank, neither beast master tank, and no hammer tank. Then they can do whatever they want.

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Originally Posted by Jerbob

Summoner please!

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Haha, ha...

Dancer as a healer and support role. My eyelashes flutter like a hummingbird at the mere thought of it. :)

Just going to spitball a few class ideas here so...
Juggler I would main forever. Loved them in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.
Magitek Knight? Something with a Gunblade would be fun.
I'd like to see a whip using class.
Some sort of beast taming class.
Could make Blue Mage into one of the alternatives that there is like Vampire, Gun Mage or Catmancer. If normal Blue doesn't work.
Dancer would be fun.
Two long shot classes could be MOG Knight other Onion Knight.

Given the nature of how long it takes for them to create, test and implement with current and future content in mind, suggesting a job now is about the right time. Personally I hope in 5.0 they go back to the one tank, dps (ranged or melee) and healer respectively. My picks are:

Tank - Beastmaster
Healer - Chemist
DPS - Arithmetician

The latter is just a joke (but not really) as the idea of being able to manipulate your own damage trough mathematics always intrigued an no I am not talking about simple buffs like B4B or raging, but rather using current in-game situations to best maximize your dps. Example of a simple single cast spell:

Multiple of 2 (Stance that increases potency x1.5) > Demi (100 potency) + target HP (If target HP is multiple of 2 crit increased 30%) = Demi (150 potency)

The stances can be switched on and off similar to cleric and have a total of 4 with it being Multiple of 2, Multiple of 3, Multiple of 5, Prime Number respectively. However given the deterioration of meaningful job play styles and rigid rotations of all jobs I highly doubt such a class with a high skill ceiling would even exist in this game. Simply due to the lack of skill the majority of the player base has to attempt such a feat as doing math to dps while dodging aoes.

Would still like to see an XIV Origianl Job, Shogun, as tank that Yoshida mentioned.

If the devs do decide to make Dancer, I'd hope its not a DPS+frontline healer like some people are asking. I seriously doubt they would want to balance fights to be viable for both healers that can keep a distance and healers that need to be right up there next to the tank and melee to perform optimally. Things like EX Ifrit's healer debuff need to be eliminated amongst other mechanics.

And you think the healer DPS arguments are bad now?

Its one of those things that just-because-XI-did-it-doesn't-mean-XIV-could.

Dancer please and as healer, if for some very slim chance they pull off a Ninja like thing, no we do not need another dps, nor do we in 5.0.
Blu for tank would be cool also, after we get dancer :D

Something original would be nice.
Something not in FFXI would be nice.
Something using a gunblade would be nice.

I'd comment on the dancer idea but I'd rather not get banned from the forums. <_<

I never played XI but beast master and puppet master sound like boring jobs to me. They both sound like SMN clones, beast master being a melee version, and puppet master... Idk what that is tbh. I just picture this guy from Naruto.

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.o...90&o=4&pid=1.7

New DoL job: Janitor. Cleaning up Eorzea literally!

In all seriousness though I probably would be keen to something original. I like callbacks to older FF games but I think FF14 should add to the pool as well. More specifically I think some kind of tank that uses hammers could be interesting.

A gun blade User, Chemist, Dancer, Blue Mage, Geomancer, and a puppet user are all cool ideas that come to mind. I would personally love a new gathering class as well, perhaps a Shepard that can sheer types of fur and wool? It would be cool if they could tie it with a personal farm plot or something.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

I never played XI but beast master and puppet master sound like boring jobs to me. They both sound like SMN clones, beast master being a melee version, and puppet master... Idk what that is tbh. I just picture this guy from Naruto.

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The pet jobs in XI actually have a decent level of interaction with their pets and so are very, very different from the monstrosity that is "SMN" in this game. You're right in that Beastmaster is generally quite close-combat viable, and it can call (or, in the past, charm) lots of different types of beast with their own strengths and weaknesses, and unique abilities controlled by the BST. Puppetmaster is a complex job with a hugely customisable and adaptable robot companion that is controlled by influencing a simple AI - sadly I don't think XIV is flexible enough to do it justice. At any rate, they are very far removed from being clones of the "SMN" in this game.

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Originally Posted by Jerbob

very different from the monstrosity that is "SMN" in this game.

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I would have hoped after being gone for 220+ days that this whole stupid thing would have finally died about and people would shut up about the XIV Summoner not being a Summoner, I'm still hoping for way too much from the forum community it seems.
-edit- I'm fully aware forums are a place of feedback and discussion, I just think its utterly pointless to keep calling Summoner a monstrosity and the fact you all just blindly ignore the lore reasons why the interpretation is so different here as well, now I loved FF XI's summoner and as soon as I started playing this game I knew full well the Summoner here would be very different, but apparently that makes it a monstrosity?


As for the whole request thing, I'd love to see a mace or morning star wielding type job or job that fights with a Bo-Staff

I'd still love to see Dancer done in some form and Geomancer to be like a more offensive practitioner of Earth, Wind and Water magicks counterpart to White Mage.

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

I would have hoped after being gone for 220+ days that this whole stupid thing would have finally died about and people would shut up about the XIV Summoner not being a Summoner, I'm still hoping for way too much from the forum community it seems.

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I'm sorry that we don't have a common view of what a Summoner job should be like, but that's a difference of opinion, not some dramatic fault with a whole community! Perhaps the fact that people are still discussing it 220 days later means that there might be some validity to it, for some people at least? Forums are intended to be places of discussion, and this forum is at least in part about feedback. If people are unhappy with some aspect of a job then this is precisely the right place to express that - particularly in a thread explicitly about jobs!

I didn't understand what the "Farmer" thing he was talking about.

Are we gonna have a Farmer class?

Tbh above all my choices i want Oracle.

A Blue Mage Puppetmaster Hybrid Tank! :D

And a Healing Dancer. X3

Yokai from Bravely Second.

And then make all of the quests involve farming FATEs in select zone.

berserker from x-2 and something similar to Machina Maw from x-2 and lady luck from x-2 as well or a Dancer who can do alluring poses to debuff enemies or do happy dances to increase morale/fast dances to give us haste..etc.

berserker was uncontrollable if i remember correctly and they went ham on everything in sight. They did massive damage and losing control over them was sometimes a problem(intentionally). Not sure how it would work in xiv but it would be cool to have a feral-like melee class.

Machina Maw:
http://www.ffcompendium.com/jobimage...chinamaw-c.jpg
'nuff said. lol.( this thing simply looks cool af, and would be a blast to ride into the enemies and in x-2 it had missles and things. Would pay to have this job)

Lady luck was a gambler type class that could act 'sexy' to charm the target and debuff them and had a dice rolling move that could deal damage based on the roll.. It was actually quite fun to play even with x-2 being a mostly bad game imo.
https://lparchive.org/Final-Fantasy-...ladyluck-c.jpg

Hmm I'd like to see a job unique to ff14 though what that would be exactly I'm not sure or I'd like to see beast master/tamer

Or heck new type of gathering/crafting job would be cool

Blue Mage is the last iconic job the game still needs as a Final Fantasy.
I'd like to see it either as a caster oriented dps like Red Mage or a support melee job like Ninja, with its original FFV aesthetic instead of the FFXI/TA one.

Dancer and Chemist could be a nice choice for a healer being very unique and different from what we have.
Both of them could get away by using TP instead of MP and offer very unique playstyles.

Beastmaster could work as a very unique tank, wearing heavy armour and using a blunt weapon (club or maybe even a whip) with a lot of pet synergy to get the job done.

After these I don't know, we could go for something whacky like a Necromancer or entire new concepts for FFXIV.

A blink/barrier tank that isnt fully rng based im thinking of that beuro sqwarma move that first boss in amdapor town does except youd be able to dopplegang yourself for a short period of time, and be able to move around to catch adds or sonething while your clone temporarily holds the adds/boss in place

Rune Fencer as a hand-and-a-half* sword using DPS job that's the other side of the coin from Red Mage.

Red Mage: 75% magic, 25% melee. Cast spells to build up some kind of charge to use powerful melee attacks (based on my limited knowledge of the job).

Rune Fencer: 75% melee, 25% magic. Use melee weapon skills to build up some kind of charge to use powerful spell attacks.

This idea is based on the fact that RUN's in FFXI were basically the "I like swords" version of RDM.

*Classify these swords as "Rune Swords" in the system for ease of identifying them on the fly. Would be large then PLD one-handers, but smaller then DRK two handers.

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Originally Posted by AdventZero

Rune Fencer as a hand-and-a-half* sword using DPS job that's the other side of the coin from Red Mage.

Red Mage: 75% magic, 25% melee. Cast spells to build up some kind of charge to use powerful melee attacks (based on my limited knowledge of the job).

Rune Fencer: 75% melee, 25% magic. Use melee weapon skills to build up some kind of charge to use powerful spell attacks.

This idea is based on the fact that RUN's in FFXI were basically the "I like swords" version of RDM.

*Classify these swords as "Rune Swords" in the system for ease of identifying them on the fly. Would be large then PLD one-handers, but smaller then DRK two handers.

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we might disagree, but i thought mystic knight(rune fencer) would make a great tank if they could differentiate it enough from drk that is

I all for beastmaster with whip my self

though i do agree some improve need be made to summoner too

Blue Mage.

Blue.

Mage.

(Kinda got corsair with astrologian but proper COR would be nice too)

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

the fact you all just blindly ignore the lore reasons

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And you blindly ignore Xelphatol.

Even if we were to ignore the fact that incomplete summoning is canon, why aren't we at least getting more egis? We were promised to get them 3 years ago lol.

I really enjoy pet classes in MMOs but at this rate I don't think that beastmaster would be a good idea at all.

Shogun. (Basically what SAM should have been)
Role - Tank
Weapon - either a Kanabo or an Odachi (like Sephiroth's sword).

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

blindly ignore the lore reasons

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I'm just gonna poke my nose in here too and suggest that lore is infinitely mutable. If we didn't have a SMN class at all in XIV, and someone suggested "Egis" here on this forum, the same logic that people like to use would apply - there is lore that expressly prohibits summoning in any form, so Summoner cannot exist in this game. SE added an addendum to their own lore with the inclusion of these floating pieces of modelling clay, allowing XIV SMN to exist - there is absolutely no reason why they couldn't do it again. Or, indeed, have done a much better job originally. Or even just make the job and class mechanically better and still call them "Egis"!

I'm sure there are reasons SE would claim make a proper summoner impractical in this game, but I personally don't believe that lore is one of them. I mean, look what they did with regards to new egis - SE said they don't want new egis for "what would they even do?" reasons, and they magically generate more restrictive lore to back it up. That's fine, I suppose, as a way of sorting things out in the FFXIV world, but it doesn't suddenly make the decision inviolable because it's enshrined in lore.

I will admit that perhaps I was too strong calling XIV SMN a monstrosity. I mean, it's fine mechanically, and I am sure a lot of people really enjoy it. That's fine! I'd probably enjoy it if it was reskinned and retargetted as something not-SMN (although they'd have to lose the books. I really, really hate the books. So much). I just cannot feel comfortable calling a class summoner if it barely does any actual summoning. That's the whole reason I like the summoner of Final Fantasy, and to see it changed so radically for what appears to be very little reason or gain is deeply frustrating.

The producer has in the past mentioned that certain jobs have had to be "reinterpreted" to fit into XIV's restrictive framework, so I don't think it's just my imagination.

A hyperbolic example: assume that XIV Warrior no longer exists, and Botanist is called Warrior. It ticks some of the boxes - it has an axe, sort of, it can technically attack enemies, and I could put it in some equipment that makes it look ferocious... possibly. But shouldn't Warrior be able to take and deal out hits? Well, XIV's interpretation of Warrior is a gatherer that makes you money so you can buy powerful weapons for your other jobs - Warrior deals damage in that way, through economics. That's baffling, though just within the bounds of logical thought, but it's not what I signed up for. I signed up for the Warrior/Fighter of the Final Fantasy world. For me, Summoner is the same.

Apologies for derailing a bit, but I think my point stands - my new job wish is Summoner, and for the souped-up Arcanist we already have (which is fine!) to be called Arcanist from 1 to 60.

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Originally Posted by Ririta

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I wasn't blindly ignoring Xelphatol so please don't just assume things thank you.

I am however annoyed about the lack of new egi's as the next person, I would love to see some more doing a variety of different things, Like one of them more focused on doing aoe damage / to be given more of a reason to shift them around in combat. :sigh: Anyway, I shouldn't open my mouth any more, I'm just frustrated at the job I love to play constantly being *words I can't say* on non-stop by people. Its so soul crushing at times, though I do apologise for lashing out at Jerbob.

And who knows come Stormblood the new Summoner abilities might revolve around some more pet interaction which would be nice, I'd even like them to expand the amount of abilities each Egi has.

Anyway thats enough derailing, not gonna reply again about this. We all have our opinions on the matter, lets just leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

I wasn't blindly ignoring Xelphatol so please don't just assume things thank you.

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Sorry, this is a really hot topic to me.

I trash talk summoner because I love the job so much. I just wanted it to be "appropriate", be it with real summons or egis.

I would like the current jobs changed up that allow them to perform more roles. paladin healer, whm dps, ninja tank, drg tank, drk dps, war dps. Ditch the whole disciple of *** and just give them different soul stones like arcanist.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

If the devs do decide to make Dancer, I'd hope its not a DPS+frontline healer like some people are asking. I seriously doubt they would want to balance fights to be viable for both healers that can keep a distance and healers that need to be right up there next to the tank and melee to perform optimally. Things like EX Ifrit's healer debuff need to be eliminated amongst other mechanics.

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There's also the fact that front-line healers generally don't work. People's outlook on FFXI's DNC tends to conveniently ignore that it became primarily a survivability/soloing subjob and it was not a reliable healer due to cooldowns on Waltzes and the amount of time it took to generate the TP to use them.

Since I believe tanks need different aesthetics beyond "guy in plate armor", I think DNC would work as a tank.

Magus
White Knight
Time Mage
Ranger
Gambler

These would be the jobs I would like to see added to the game.

I wonder if people know what "after trying the 2 new jobs" means. Tho seeing that most people don't know what "wait" means in the diadem I have a doubt. Or is it a lack of kindness? Probably both.

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Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

Shogun. (Basically what SAM should have been)
Role - Tank
Weapon - either a Kanabo or an Odachi (like Sephiroth's sword).

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Agreed.

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