Soo... apparently Diadem has i280 weapons with higher WD than alexandrian/anima lux

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Originally Posted by Awful

Yay now as a Drk after getting my 275 relic I can farm a 280 weapon that'll have parry allover it. Thanks SE. :p

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no once forces u to farm a 280 weapon 24/7 until u freak out and get burned out , why not just do it like 2-3 per week and be happy with what u have? :P

theres probably also other items that u can get inside :P

Thats a hell of a carrot on a stick!
My alts are gonna be stronk.

I'm buying some salt for when I see someone posts in reddit/forum a high accu/crit/det/sks roll a few hours after the server goes up. :p

No secondary stats huh? That means a 280 is worse for most classes & does not beat out the Anima.

Oh wait...13 more main stat too? That actually puts in on par with most Animas. Tanks however are getting screwed as the WD + main stat heavily outweighs any secondary.

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

No secondary stats huh? That means a 280 is worse for most classes & does not beat out the Anima.

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Random secondary stats.

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

No secondary stats huh? That means a 280 is worse for most classes & does not beat out the Anima.

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Diadem items have random stats. Even then, with the WD and main stat being higher that will outweigh substats unless they're absolute garbage.

its ok ill have more people to group with who are desperatly trying to get a weapon , wich means i can get my pegasus mount :P

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Originally Posted by madolyn

its still the final cycle....whats your point?
People still progress for various reason. Some can't build a static, some took a break and just returned, some just pug... not everything is tied to performance.
Wasn't necessarily talking about savage progression as much as I was talking about people doing relics.

With some of the mentality around here of "well its just going to be replaced in stormblood anyway" you would get the impression that theres not point to even play the game at all if everything is eventually replaced.

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You can't really consider those people... as.. people can return at any point of the game..
General cycle is about 6 months, so should probably consider the cycle to be near it's end and and Alex Savage being unlocked soon.
And what other progression is there besides savage really? I'm still on umbrite for my relic personally lul
that kind of progression is not gonna go away, despite being outdated now, but relic/anima is always only up to date for a short time anyway.

And yea! i guess you could just quit and stop and come back and not miss out on much progression-wise.
But that is also a given at any even numbered patch anyway. Just buy new gear, done.
You could do alex savage in 250 gear, and it's the hardest content.

some of you need to calm down a bit. We all know the random factor will make those weapons hard to get.
we have no clue often those emergency missions will happen. we have no clue how hard the bosses will be.
unles you enter with a full pt and everyone is ok with standard (or lootmaster) rules, you'll have to deal with greed only. Everyone will roll on everything.
Even if a weapon is guaranteed as drop, it's still a 1 of 13 chance to get the weapon you need. and then you have to deal with the random sub stat system.

You can farm diadem all day and night but might not get the weapon you want. and ya we know there will be this guy, that has know clue about his job that will rock the 280 weapon...

on top of all of that all that weapon will do is giving you something for leveling in stormblood. it's not needed for anything in the game atm.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

But they should erase the weekly lockout of Savage, because locking that gear doesn't make much sense with 275 relic, 280 weapon and free 1x 270 right side per week already .

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It still makes sense for now. Even with all the "Freebies" it still takes months for casuals and midcore player to fully gear a job up to i270.

The weekly lockout removal, nerfs and echo for Creator(Savage) are likely coming in 3.56 towards the end of the month.

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Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

some of you need to calm down a bit. We all know the random factor will make those weapons hard to get.
we have no clue often those emergency missions will happen. we have no clue how hard the bosses will be.
unles you enter with a full pt and everyone is ok with standard (or lootmaster) rules, you'll have to deal with greed only. Everyone will roll on everything.
Even if a weapon is guaranteed as drop, it's still a 1 of 13 chance to get the weapon you need. and then you have to deal with the random sub stat system.

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Heck the deeper areas which drop the i280 weapons might even be tuned for groups in full i270.

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

no once forces u to farm a 280 weapon 24/7 until u freak out and get burned out , why not just do it like 2-3 per week and be happy with what u have? :P

theres probably also other items that u can get inside :P

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You forget that SE basically just said here's free 265 gear and 280 weapons, with no way to have Gobdip unless you do hunts, no 275 unless you do relic and for some classes (Drgs/Drks/Brds/Plds) list goes on, it was BiS and the final step of this god awful, boring relic grind that we did. I didn't want the A12S sword, nor do I want it, why? It's Parry/Sks joy it's a useless stat stick just like the potential 280 upgraded weapon that they added with no regard for others who just finished their relic or have raided.

I don't plan on going hard on this as I did the old Diadem and saw just what broken ass pieces of gear you can get that were better than Gordias gear at the time, it's a slap in the face honestly, the weekly lockout remains and scrips are still at 450 and you think this is a great solution? It's like they didn't even bother to fix anything, just stuck FATEs in here with a progress bar with a WARNING INCOMING ENEMY BOSS where everyone has to scamper to which is no different then when we had old NMs on the islands.

I'm just gonna see what it's like the content isn't out yet so i'm not going to say it'll be the same as last time, it's very similar but I'm going to wait until I physically set foot in this new Diadem before I actually complain about how gear is handed out. But as it stands for people who depended on the relic, it blows. For raiders it blows. For people who don't have an FC airship it blows.

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Originally Posted by Sentinillia

Random secondary stats.

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Oh I misread the datamine...wow they basically forced Diadem to be relevant just in case it was DOA.

Will never understand why people think this stuff is a slap in the face. everyone gets so bent out of shape about status, and yet, in the end, it really doesnt matter.

I'm sure it's gonna be a huge pain in the ass to get. I'm still gonna work on my anima. I just hope this doesn't stop all the light grinding parties.

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Originally Posted by Awful

You forget that SE basically just said here's free 265 gear and 280 weapons, with no way to have Gobdip unless you do hunts, no 275 unless you do relic and for some classes (Drgs/Drks/Brds/Plds) list goes on, it was BiS and the final step of this god awful, boring relic grind that we did. I didn't want the A12S sword, nor do I want it, why? It's Parry/Sks joy it's a useless stat stick just like the potential 280 upgraded weapon that they added with no regard for others who just finished their relic or have raided.

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Actually by the sounds of the Achievements and Mission System you may need to complete 6 increasingly difficult missions within 60 minutes to get access to the i265 gear and i280 weapons.

What made the original Diadem so broken was how easy it ended up being to spawn the higher tier Notorious Monsters for gold chests by camping in one spot with higher tier monsters.

Friendly reminder: This doesn't only hurt raiders, this hurts anyone that has done a single step of the relic in 3.x.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Will never understand why people think this stuff is a slap in the face. everyone gets so bent out of shape about status, and yet, in the end, it really doesnt matter.

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Status? Sorry, but having the relic rendered obsolete after 2 weeks is a royal kick in the nuts. Even the ARR relic was relevant until you got your i180 weapon.

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Originally Posted by DakenBrunel

Friendly reminder: This doesn't only hurt raiders, this hurts anyone that has done a single step of the relic in 3.x.

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I don't really get why so many people are upset about it.
I mean, i do get it, people put a lot of work into other things and they feel like that work is wasted now.

But such is the fate of this game :)

Imagine if they had released this with the inital 3.55! Along with Animas, would people still be mad?

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Originally Posted by Frowny

Status? Sorry, but having the relic rendered obsolete after 2 weeks is a royal kick in the nuts. Even the ARR relic was relevant until you got your i180 weapon.

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Same as above, curious how you'd feel if they released Diadem along with Anima in 3.55 as planned?

This seems cool. I hope they're not too hard to obtain and Diadem stays popular until Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by DakenBrunel

Friendly reminder: This doesn't only hurt raiders, this hurts anyone that has done a single step of the relic in 3.x.

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Friendly reminder: raiders and relic farmers are not entitled to the highest ilevel gear. They should drop this silly argument that they should be the only ones at a certain ilvl. It's simple jealousy.

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Originally Posted by ShinMetsu

I don't really get why so many people are upset about it.
I mean, i do get it, people put a lot of work into other things and they feel like that work is wasted now.

But such is the fate of this game :)

Imagine if they had released this with the inital 3.55! Along with Animas, would people still be mad?

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Short Answer yes.Cause why doing the Relic when you have a better weapon for allmost they same, if not lesser effort.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Will never understand why people think this stuff is a slap in the face. everyone gets so bent out of shape about status, and yet, in the end, it really doesnt matter.

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It has nothing to do with status. It has everything to do with the massive amount of time amd effort people have put towards their gear. Having spent well over a week doing nothing but grinding the relic from scratch to 275 and getting to enjoy it for less time than it took to obtain it, yes this isn't a slap in the face, it's more like a roundhouse kick.

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Originally Posted by Sujaki_Nhakal

Short Answer yes.Cause why doing the Relic when you have a better weapon for allmost they same, if not lesser effort.

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A better weapon which you may never get due to RNG nature of drops and apparently rarity of them. The Relic is a guaranteed weapon.

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Originally Posted by Sujaki_Nhakal

Short Answer yes.Cause why doing the Relic when you have a better weapon for allmost they same, if not lesser effort.

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because glamour is true endgame.

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Originally Posted by ShinMetsu

Same as above, curious how you'd feel if they released Diadem along with Anima in 3.55 as planned?

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I want to say I doubt the dev team would make such a silly decision.... But I can't.

If they did just that, I doubt people would grind relics and they wasted time developing the entire story etc.

Maybe that's why the last step was so short?
I don't know what the last step is, but people had it within an hour after 3.55
YoshiP prob just like teehee XD

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Originally Posted by Sujaki_Nhakal

Short Answer yes.Cause why doing the Relic when you have a better weapon for allmost they same, if not lesser effort.

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That is saying that getting into the deepest parts of the diadem within an hour will be easy. I'm expecting it to be closer to getting to floor 200 of PotD.

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Originally Posted by ShinMetsu

Maybe that's why the last step was so short?
I don't know what the last step is, but people had it within an hour after 3.55
YoshiP prob just like teehee XD

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People are also assuming that the i265 gear and i280 weapons will be as easy to farm as i210 gear was in the original Diadem.

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Originally Posted by ShinMetsu

Maybe that's why the last step was so short?
I don't know what the last step is, but people had it within an hour after 3.55
YoshiP prob just like teehee XD

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ARR relic, i135, was viable until level 60 in HW. SE likes their patterns, this is likely an attempt to encourage people to touch Diadem.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Friendly reminder: raiders and relic farmers are not entitled to the highest ilevel gear. They should drop this silly argument that they should be the only ones at a certain ilvl. It's simple jealousy.

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Simple Jealousy? Not at all. I'm annoyed that SE would just make such an abysmal addition to the game. Neutering everything in the game with one single patch. The best part is they didn't even unlock alexander. If anything , I feel this is super foretelling of the remainder of this game's lifecycle.

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Originally Posted by DakenBrunel

Simple Jealousy? Not at all. I'm annoyed that SE would just make such an abysmal addition to the game. Neutering everything in the game with one single patch. The best part is they didn't even unlock alexander.

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Or Gobdip... for a weapon inferior to these.

What's the big deal? People here love frequent vertical progression. The less time we have enjoying our current gear the better. You might be playing the wrong game if you expect gear that should last any amount of time. Take a break and come back if this burns you out.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DakenBrunel

Simple Jealousy? Not at all. I'm annoyed that SE would just make such an abysmal addition to the game. Neutering everything in the game with one single patch. The best part is they didn't even unlock alexander.

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All your current gear will be obsolete in 3 months when new expansion launches. You'll GC seal all your hard earned i270 gear. Does that make you annoyed too? Neutering everything is just how this game always was and always will be.

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Originally Posted by Frowny

Or Gobdip... for a weapon inferior to these.

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Which might be far easier to get than getting an i280 weapon.

As someone who doesn't have an Alexandrian or an Anima weapon, I'm not upset, but I don't see the point to do that when an expansion pac is coming in 3 months.

Seems like a "please play our new content" stunt to me.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

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Dunno, the community has a way with steamrolling things.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

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>Release gear making 2 week old gear obselete
>Hangs onto "SB will do that!"

#1: you're wrong probably. i130 was fine until 57ish. i270 will likely be similar.
#2: nice hyperbole. That line can be used for ANY gear released 2.0. I could say the same about "eh, why bother with eso gear?" Doesn't make it a valid response.

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Originally Posted by Frowny

Status? Sorry, but having the relic rendered obsolete after 2 weeks is a royal kick in the nuts. Even the ARR relic was relevant until you got your i180 weapon.

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hmmm 9 days. Also was meant to come at the same time so may as well say instantly.

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Originally Posted by Frowny

>Release gear making 2 week old gear obselete
>Hangs onto "SB will do that!"

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The biggest slap in the face is they released relic patch w/o diadem under the premise that diadem had a "game breaking bug". One week later we see exactly why they did it. but hey, neutering 1 week old gear is fine right?

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Friendly reminder: raiders and relic farmers are not entitled to the highest ilevel gear. They should drop this silly argument that they should be the only ones at a certain ilvl. It's simple jealousy.

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Perhaps not, but people who put in significant effort and time should be appropriately rewarded and not spat on while Sir McLazy barely lifts a finger and is given a better reward.

Its not anima weapons that I'm concerned with, its the fact that the hardest content in the game drops worse rewards than what will be a casual farm-fest, from a game design standpoint, it is completely backwards.

These should be i270, not i280, i.e. high enough to gear up for SB, but lower than the two hardest pieces of content (skill/grind)

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

Perhaps not, but people who put in significant effort and time should be appropriately rewarded and not spat on while Sir McLazy barely lifts a finger and is given a better reward.

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