How do you feel about Dancer not being added with this expansion?

i'm kind of surprised people were still clinging on to her being a dancer.

Even before they revealed red mage at the las vegas fanfest, they played the first part of the video of them sparring and yoshida says "the job highlight of heavensward was the dragoon, for stormblood it will be the monk" and behind him was a big still shot of the two characters with monk written across it

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

This may be my last post on this thread depending on how the rest of it goes and how many people decide to comment in a manner that seems to say that I'm wrong to have my own opinion because their have an opposing opinion to mine.

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There is a difference in having an opinion and fact.

No one is stating you are "wrong to have your own opinion". As you clearly took her has being a DNC and that is fine.

They are stating facts on why she was not a DNC, based on all the info and interviews since SB's announcement that have come to light and even more so now that the 2 jobs are announced.

If this helped ease your disappointment, mission accomplished. There are still future possibilities for DNC or a job similar to it.

I'm not bothered by the lack of Dancer being added simply because:

- I'm excited for both RDM and SAM
- Much like Rouge and Ninja were name dropped heavily before being added, RDM and SAM were as well
- The hints were there. They were always there.
- There was a tweet that was corrected when they announced RDM as "one of two new jobs for Stormblood." The "two" was removed.
- There's nothing saying we absolutely won't ever get Dancer.

I mean...

there was literally no indication that Dancer was even being considered by the dev team.

People just hyped themselves so much for it. The fallout was inevitable.

Not bothered in the slightest. I didn't want dancer. Thought it was a pretty dull job concept. It certainly wouldn't have helped sell the expansion to new players.

Did people really think Dancer was gonna happen? Anyone disappointed in that only has themselves to blame.

I feel like Dancer and Blue Mage would be perfect for a Thavnair expansion of some sort.

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Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin

Did people really think Dancer was gonna happen? Anyone disappointed in that only has themselves to blame.

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I knew Dancer wouldn't happen, even it the very faint hints that it could be. But I am slightly disappointed about it nonetheless. But that is fine, maybe there will be other chances for it.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I feel like Dancer and Blue Mage would be perfect for a Thavnair expansion of some sort.

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I actually kind of assumed them releasing dancer and blue mage gear as costumes was kind of there way of saying "whelp... these classes don't fit this games mechanics so here's something at least"

I want Dancer as much as anyone. Believe me. But is was actually a sigh of relief that the woman in red was not a Dancer. Two big reasons for this is 1. I don't want it to be DPS, and the introduction of two DPS jobs with the SB expansion increases the possibility that it will be a healer if released in the next expansion. And 2. It gives the devs more time to get this job right if it is indeed what they plan on releasing in the future.

If you thought the woman in red was graceful, elegant, and beautiful with her Katas, imagine what they will do with an actual Dancer. Also, the healer DPS meta of this game will allow them to incorporate a plethora of possibilities when it comes to their offense.

I just think it is too soon to introduce another healer and tank right now when they are still trying to get things right between all of them. If Dancer is ever made a playable job, I want it to be a full functioning job full of grace, elegance, and beauty. Due to the nature of dancing and the holy trinity of XIV, I can see how this can be a bit tricky but I have faith in these guys. They have done such amazing things with this game.

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

I mean...

there was literally no indication that Dancer was even being considered by the dev team.

People just hyped themselves so much for it. The fallout was inevitable.

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Couldn't have said it better.

I'm OK with dancer not being in the xpac. I look at dancer as just another bard but melee, that's how they performed in other ff titles. I wouldn't have played one if it was introduced.

Hmm...I wanted DNC a lot, it was my main in xi. Well, they didn't decide to add it...life goes on lol

I still think that girl is a dancer or something else though, I will never change my mind in saying she is not a monk, unless we can break the armory system. She attacks him with cloth, I'll stick by that no matter what. If she is not a dancer, well fine but she is not a monk because she does not use the weapons monks use. If she is then I want a blade and cloth weapon on my monk damnit.

We do not know what she is and just because the job was not announced does not mean she is not a unique job or something else entirely.

He did not confirm or announce anything regarding her, so we still have to wait and see for the next part of the story...or maybe even longer.

I think DNC would have been interesting as a non-caster healer. And since they didn't release a new tank or a new healer because they focus on properly balancing existing ones, it's a good thing DNC is still out.

And it's absolutely hilarious for all those smug people (not you particularly) that claimed that the lady in red obviously meant we'll have a Dancer job.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

- There's nothing saying we absolutely won't ever get Dancer.

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Sadly people are impatient and want everything now-now-now, not two years down the road when the next expansion hits.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

And it's absolutely hilarious for all those smug people (not you particularly) that claimed that the lady in red obviously meant we'll have a Dancer job.

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From some posts I have seen in other threads yes some ppl did get rather forceful about their views,I had noticed that from both the mnk side as well as the dnc side.

I do share a very similar view as Iromi and as she had said not much had been said about the girl in red so it's anyone's guess until we learn more about her specifically.

I can't remember who posted it but someone posted a link from a letter from the producer or live letter asking about the dnc job. From what Yoshi said was once they got everything else done they want to get done for balancing things they may look at releasing dnc in a 4.x patch, so it's a possibility still and if it doesn't happen it will maybe be I. 5.0

Btw I have never watched any of the fan fests so all the info I know had been learned second hand from ppl that had watched them. I also have only started looking at the forums shorty after the dec fan fest.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

If she is not a dancer, well fine but she is not a monk because she does not use the weapons monks use.

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So what are the punches and kicks ?

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

I can't remember who posted it but someone posted a link from a letter from the producer or live letter asking about the dnc job. From what Yoshi said was once they got everything else done they want to get done for balancing things they may look at releasing dnc in a 4.x patch, so it's a possibility still and if it doesn't happen it will maybe be I. 5.0

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The only thing I've seen is Yoshi-P not completely dismissing the idea of creating a job during 4.x. He didn't mentionned any job by name, as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Well, I am a bit bummed but I can still hold hope if they do decide to add a 3rd mid expansion based off of the interview. So perhaps we may still see it, but as long as it comes out eventually I don't mind too much.
Only linking cus I know people may ask
http://gamerescape.com/2017/02/18/fr...ss-conference/
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Ok sorry correction on my part, a specific job wasn't specified so it could be anything really. Personally I'll be hoping for dnc others for blu and so on.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

How do you feel about Dancer not being added with this expansion?

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[QUOTE=Reynhart;4045304]So what are the punches and kicks ?
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Iromi would be comparing it to dnc from ff XI which was a job based off a dance martial art style and if I recall correctly dnc could also use hand to hand weapons I would have to log into there to be sure cause it has been a while. Also remember she said dnc was her main on there.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

Iromi would be comparing it to dnc from ff XI

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She's not talking about the DNC from FFXI, she's talking about the Lady in Red, using the armory system as a "proof"

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Originally Posted by Iromi

If she is not a dancer, well fine but she is not a monk because she does not use the weapons monks use.

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In XIV, punches and kicks are MNK's primary attacks. But let's see it another way...if she was indeed a DNC, would people be happy with DNC mostly using punches and kicks like a second-hand MNK ?

And so we return to the exact same pedantic argument people have been having since the NA Fanfest.

Ok again please please please let's not restart the argument on this. A lot of old ff XI players will compare dnc to the one from there, obviously if it's released for XIV (hoping it will) there will be modifications done to it.

Look an nin as an example from what I've noticed is that take away the ninjutsu and you're left with ff XI's thf job basically with a few differences.

Dancer was never, ever, ever, ever hinted or mentioned or teased anywhere in the game leading up to Stormblood. I'm sorry that one of your favourite jobs wasn't added, it's always a shame when something you want isn't added, but the evidence was against DNC from the start and all it would take is a bit of common sense and knowledge of Eastern influences.

1. The trailer did NOT show a girl dancing, it was showing 'Kata', a choreographed fight between participants as a method of training and honing their skills.

2. Granted, the outfit bore resemblance of DNC, with the primary color or Red.

3. Both She and the WoL in that trailer were using highly stylised MNK attacks [Snap Punch/Fists of Wind/Fists of Fire to name a few], hers was just more elegant whilst his was more brutish.

4. I'll agree with you here, 'Multiple' was implying to me as more than 2 but less than 4, but after the RDM twitter leak, it was a nail in the coffin.

Just to reiterate, SAM/RDM were mentioned by NAME at the anniversary event 2 years ago as potential jobs for 4.0. BLU is mentioned in the ALC questline at least, with a teaser in the ENG region of the anniversary event. DNC, however, was simply nonexistent in both hints or teasers, so the people that jumped on the DNC wagon without doing some preliminary research set themselves up for disappointment.

I got my jobs into the expansion, I'm sorry you did not get yours, but time flies so here's hoping that 5.0 turns out to be an expansion that gets you right back in!

EDIT: LOL I MISSED THAT SOMEONE MADE THE SAME POST! MY BAD! XD

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Originally Posted by IllyriaKnotfred

I'm sorry but the first trailer by no means whatsoever hinted at all to Dancer. It's clearly just a female monk.

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yeah.... if the trailer was a hint at dancer... then dancer would be hand-to-hand fighter very similar to monk. people thought dancer would be a monk clone in a dress? despite not being hinted, I thought there was a chance it would happen because it's one of the popular jobs people have been asking for.

I didn't really want samurai and thought they would save that job for a more eastern themed expansion, because there was also no hint at all until recently that we would be going all the way to the far-east continent in this expansion.... until the final fanfest venue they revealed that major piece of information and now samurai fits the theme entirely. was very surprised that they held off announcing a major theme of the expansion that long, and it changed the way we think about stormblood.

If you're going to insist on arguing on this topic again like in other threads I'm done here with this thread.

Why is it so difficult for people to not argue? Is it too much to ask for something to not be turned into an argument?

This was supposed to be about how people felt about dancer not being added and about the hopes it's added in the future, not to argue a trailer yet again.

Nobody is arguing, people are stating facts, evidence and data for cases for/against. They're just clarifying that, while yes it sucks you didn't get DNC, there's no reason to be disappointed in SE over something /YOU/ hyped yourself over when the truth was glaring back at you with a giant neon sign, waving back and forth. /shrugs/ I digress, these threads always devolve into the OP claiming there's fighting/arguing or my favourite 'My opinion', there's no opinion left, only the truth. SMH I'm going to bed xD peace out! <3

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Originally Posted by VeliusVire

Nobody is arguing, people are stating facts, evidence and data for cases for/against. They're just clarifying that, while yes it sucks you didn't get DNC, there's no reason to be disappointed in SE over something /YOU/ hyped yourself over when the truth was glaring back at you with a giant neon sign, waving back and forth. /shrugs/ I digress, these threads always devolve into the OP claiming there's fighting/arguing or my favourite 'My opinion', there's no opinion left, only the truth. SMH I'm going to bed xD peace out! <3

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I will be editing my OP to try and help clarify things a bit once I get home from work to try and avoid conflicts.

Using wording like 'facts' can be a bad choice of words for how others portrayed something because it reminded them of this or that and leaves a person feeling any mix of emotions because their opinion/view is different. Opinions can be expressed without using 'facts' to support them.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Hmm...I wanted DNC a lot, it was my main in xi. Well, they didn't decide to add it...life goes on lol

I still think that girl is a dancer or something else though, I will never change my mind in saying she is not a monk, unless we can break the armory system. She attacks him with cloth, I'll stick by that no matter what. If she is not a dancer, well fine but she is not a monk because she does not use the weapons monks use. If she is then I want a blade and cloth weapon on my monk damnit.

We do not know what she is and just because the job was not announced does not mean she is not a unique job or something else entirely.

He did not confirm or announce anything regarding her, so we still have to wait and see for the next part of the story...or maybe even longer.

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Lmao. You do that.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

If you're going to insist on arguing on this topic again like in other threads I'm done here with this thread.

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To be fair, you claim the only thing you wanted was for people to express their possible dissapointment for DNC not being added, but you started the thread by talking about the trailer, and listing the points that were the basis of all the arguments people had in the past about it.

You brought the argument here by bringing up the very thing that sparked the arguments in the other threads. You can't expect people to not talk about it after doing that. If all you wanted was for people to express their disappointment, then that's all you should've done in your original post.

What you are claiming you were misled by the trailer? That's a laugh.

Couldnt care less either way if Dancer is in the game or not. Quite frankly the whole dancer vs monk thing for the girl's job was so rediculous to begin with.

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

Lmao. You do that.

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Of course I will lol.

I was treated with the same respect when I said in the Spiderman shirt thread that we are going to othard / doma for samurai. I got mocked saying "it burnt to the ground" in very condescending ways, oh but here we are...look at that ^^

Fact of the matter still stands. We do not know anything about her yet NPC wise. I'm not here to debate or argue with anyone, in the end the devs will decide what she is, etc and I will live with it. I've already said my piece and that's how I feel. This thread is about if we are disappointed about dancer, I won't be playing this game forever so whenever they put it in, if ever - I hope I am still playing by then!

Edit / forgot to add, in NA fanfest Yoshida mentioned if he drops classes he will do it in 5.0 and if he adds a new role (ie, support) he will also do it then. Maybe it is better we wait and DNC comes then as a true support role. I'd love that ^^ again just hope I am still playing hehe

Very disappointed and i could care less for SAM.
And yes there was some hints of blu but remember what Yoshi said about that subject?
Besides i would tend to think Dancer is more popular then blu and yet was never mentioned.
I guess Dancer, 6.0 as 5.0 will probably be more dps again

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Of course I will lol.

I was treated with the same respect when I said in the Spiderman shirt thread that we are going to othard / doma for samurai. I got mocked saying "it burnt to the ground" in very condescending ways, oh but here we are...look at that ^^

Fact of the matter still stands. We do not know anything about her yet NPC wise. I'm not here to debate or argue with anyone, in the end the devs will decide what she is, etc and I will live with it. I've already said my piece and that's how I feel. This thread is about if we are disappointed about dancer, I won't be playing this game forever so whenever they put it in, if ever - I hope I am still playing by then!

Edit / forgot to add, in NA fanfest Yoshida mentioned if he drops classes he will do it in 5.0 and if he adds a new role (ie, support) he will also do it then. Maybe it is better we wait and DNC comes then as a true support role. I'd love that ^^ again just hope I am still playing hehe

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ok. you go do that.

While I was hoping for Dancer, I didn't really expect it. While the trailer COULD be interpreted as dancer vs monk (there's a mighty fine line between dance and kata, after all), I'm pretty sure that if Dancer does eventually get added to the game, it will be a healer - and there are too many mechanics already in the game that prevent healers from being front-line jobs (for example, the Nisi mechanic from Alexander 4).

If Dancer is added, it will stand at a distance as other healers do, though it might well be a physical ranged job (chakram throwing, perhaps?) to change things up from our current line up of magic-casting healers. Folks certainly shouldn't expect Dancer to be as it was in FFXI!

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Originally Posted by Iromi

I was treated with the same respect when I said in the Spiderman shirt thread that we are going to othard / doma for samurai. I got mocked saying "it burnt to the ground" in very condescending ways, oh but here we are...look at that ^^

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Did you say it in a very condescending way in the first place, using words like "obviously", "facts", or... "I will never change my mind about that" ? Did you forget to replace every instance of "she is" by "she might be" and "she is not" by "she might not be" ? Because it may have something to do with this more than the hypothesis itself.

In fact, a whole thread burned like hell only because the OP stated that "DNC was still only a conjecture"

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Originally Posted by Maero

Very disappointed and i could care less for SAM.
And yes there was some hints of blu but remember what Yoshi said about that subject?
Besides i would tend to think Dancer is more popular then blu and yet was never mentioned.
I guess Dancer, 6.0 as 5.0 will probably be more dps again

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It seems like DNC is more popular then blu...ive seen it mentioned a lot of other places, fb etc...but idk, makes me wonder what jobs will come next cuz after Sam nothing really has been hinted at...at all really.

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

ok. you go do that.

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Do what, exactly? No where in my post did I speak of doing anything lol ? I am starting to think you are wasting daily post limit on lil ol me just to troll. Which....well, not a good idea to do on these forums.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Did you say it in a very condescending way in the first place, using words like "obviously", "facts", or... "I will never change my mind about that" ? Did you forget to replace every instance of "she is" by "she might be" and "she is not" by "she might not be" ? Because it may have something to do with this more than the hypothesis itself.

In fact, a whole thread burned like hell only because the OP stated that "DNC was still only a conjecture"

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No not at all, the post is still there, that I made.^^ I said something along the lines of "guys I had an idea, for samurai..wouldnt that fit more in doma and othard? I really don't see samurai happening without us going there, it would be a waste Imo" something like that, followed by snarky replies, but a few did reply politely.

And it wasn't about the npc, also my mind is set on that, if she can use a one handed blade and can be a monk, well I want a staff on my SMN or a one handed blade on my monk lol. I still think she is a jobless npc in the end. And again, whatever the devs decide is what it is, I am truly done discussing this issue for real.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

It seems like DNC is more popular then blu...ive seen it mentioned a lot of other places, fb etc...but idk, makes me wonder what jobs will come next cuz after Sam nothing really has been hinted at...at all really.

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Indeed, but because there was some mention of blu i guess perhaps it will also come before Dancer.
If next expansion is more dps again, i will flip the largest table i could find

Wasn't Doma burnt down to the ground? But the place the trailer showed, it wasn't Doma, was it? I think it was the city a bit to the east of Doma. Or did the story mentioned that the other places other than Doma were burnt down as well? I kinda forgot.