100M GIL taken

Dont give up on a game you like because some human trash decided to do things as low as that... Dont let them ruin your fun!that said... if you were in Goblin server... Me and my buds could make their ff14 life every interesting indeed...
Also, you should let the community know who they are. Not so much for "shaming them", dont worry human trash like those things dont get embarrssed but rather proud of what they did, but for the sake of preventing others from falling prey to the same fate. Post it on rediit forum everywhere.

Devs should just implement a sort of passcode system to the FC chest. That way if something like this happens again (someone getting promoted that isn't intentionally supposed to get promoted under normal circumstances), they still can't touch the FC chest because if they were supposed to be at that rank in the first place, someone would have told them what the passcode was.

Hell, go a step further. Have the option to outright hide the contents of the FC chest except for those that have actual access to it. That way it'd be harder for the vultures to determine if they wanna attempt to manipulate their way into stealing a FC's resources. It'd certainly be embarrassing as hell if a FC intentionally let a vulture get access to the FC chest only for said asshole to find out that it's filled with nothing but fine sand.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Precisely. It's always better to have more options. It makes zero logical sense to remove an option that is potentially beneficial just because it can be abused if the leader is careless.

And that's what it is. Carelessness. You can choose not to use the mechanic at all and never risk what happened to the OP.

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I don't think the mechanic of promotion/demotion should be removed, but I do think hierarchy of ranks needs to be part of that mechanic. At this point there is the fc leader and then everyone else. The promote/demote mechanic already goes in order, but it doesn't see a place to stop until you hit the ceiling (leader). It should be changed so the promote ceiling is either just below or at the rank using the mechanic.

NAME AND SHAME THAT PERSON. Not here but somwhere else:'D

Similar thing happened when I was on Mateus and it was due to an oversight... and I was a tad annoyed that they wouldn't listen afterwards.

New guy joined and then left within an hour. I was about to go into a roulette when I saw this and we were joking about when I suggested to check the FC chest. I wasn't even being serious but someone did and we found out the truth quickly. The new guy cleaned out everything he could get and left. Same thing where the GMs couldn't do anything unfortunately. Though what annoys me is that they decided to remove all chest permissions for anyone not an officer when what could've easily been done was to set a probationary rank. The majority of us had been there since the early days of the FC, I was a founding member for that one too, but that suggestion lay dying very quickly.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

While it was no doubt a despicable act, I'd remind you we're talking about digital currency in a video game.

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Still those ppl put a lot of time an efforts to get what they have,is a virtual currency but is real life time they put into it.

Btw i didnt know fc members could rank them up xD


Again: NAME AND SHAME. They deserve to not to interact with. Once a thief always a thief.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

Devs should just implement a sort of passcode system to the FC chest. That way if something like this happens again (someone getting promoted that isn't intentionally supposed to get promoted under normal circumstances), they still can't touch the FC chest because if they were supposed to be at that rank in the first place, someone would have told them what the passcode was.

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In this scenario, I know for a fact that someone will still give out their passcode. But I do love this idea.

This is incredibly disheartening to hear about but avoidable. In my FC everyone has access to the FC actions and are able to buy actions, we also all have access to the fc chest BUT there isn't anymore than 400k in the chest and low level crafting materials in there. I love my FC and the friends there but I would never place my own gil or important items in that chest. Also a set few (been there since the beginning or a very long time) have access to our airships. Learning from this experience would probably be your best bet at this point. Carry ooooon!

The FC I am a part of is fairly big and when I see someone join and then leave like an hour later, makes me wonder if they were trying to steal from us...

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Originally Posted by vigioX-Sun

Still those ppl put a lot of time an efforts to get what they have,is a virtual currency but is real life time they put into it.

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And that justifies executing the perpetrator? Get real.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

And that justifies executing the perpetrator? Get real.

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was someone talking about violence?
People should know what kind of trash he is so nobody won't invite him to anything, he can make his own thief FC.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

And that justifies executing the perpetrator? Get real.

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You yourself were saying a few pages back we are talking about digital currency in a virtual world.

Executing a virtual character should be equally unimportant by your logic. Besides, no one is being that extreme. Just suggesting naming the person to stop them taking advantage of others. If you're gonna act like a jerk in game then expect to be treated like one, this person made their choice to be a theif so they should be treated as much.

Well if SE would fix the promote/demote so that you can not promote above your own rank an cannot demote or kick anyone above your rank, things would be a lot better.

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Originally Posted by Shaemus_Jodocus

i had created the rank officer in my fc. my friend needed to spend credits on buffs. A FC member asked if they could have officer too since he hasnt been online in a while. they would do the fc buffs. well they must have seen the setting in officer "promote/demote" was active because after i logged out they promoted themself to my rank and took 100m from my fc chest. dismantled 4 rank 50 airships and broke my workshop. then cleaned out all 180 housing items. then kicked everyone from the fc.

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Maybe you should have treated your members better, so they don't have to do something like that. I know many FC leaders are acting like superior, proud, hostile towards new/old members. Even my own FC leader recently has been hostile against a newbie. Then he afraid of him and left the company.

Moral of the story. Don't annoy or harass people, communicate nicely, do good work.

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Originally Posted by gastovski

Maybe you should have treated your members better, so they don't have to do something like that. I know many FC leaders are acting like superior, proud, hostile towards new/old members. Even my own FC leader recently has been hostile against a newbie. Then he afraid of him and left the company.

Moral of the story. Don't annoy or harass people, communicate nicely, do good work.

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Where does it say their leader was being a douche/hostile/proud/superior?

Also why remain in your FC if this is the type of leader you have? If you can remain with a bullying leader happily then it makes you no better than them. Also just because that member thought your leader was a d*** doesn't mean they was afraid of him, what is this kindergarten? Also it's not just the leaders gil anyway, it is also other members/friends gil as other people also donate.

I'd like to thank you guys who has the supportive comments. I decided to keep with it and start over learning from the situation. I was close to quitting all together after lose everything but if I quit then I will be ashamed. I gotta keep trying to piece it back together one day at a time.

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Originally Posted by Kaelah

You yourself were saying a few pages back we are talking about digital currency in a virtual world.

Executing a virtual character should be equally unimportant by your logic. Besides, no one is being that extreme. Just suggesting naming the person to stop them taking advantage of others. If you're gonna act like a jerk in game then expect to be treated like one, this person made their choice to be a theif so they should be treated as much.

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Not to butt in, but perhaps you missed the part where vigioX-Sun said the person should be stoned? As in, have rocks thrown at them until they are dead. I don't think Kaelah was out of line here...

Edit: And I highly doubt they meant the virtual character when they said that.

If you still have a house, that's more than a lot on Balmung have, apparently. Definitely keep at it if you can. Can use it as an important team-building exercise for your group too since you can rebuild on the wait for Stormblood.

I'm sorry for your misfortune OP. The game should be made in such a way that anyone with promoting privileges could only promote up to their own rank. Also, instead of these all or nothing privilege settings there should be tools in place to limit the number of item stacks, credits and gil a certain rank can withdraw each day. These simple tools would easily prevent any large scale attack whilst allowing the fc leader to distribute authority for fc managing purposes. There are fundamental flaws in the current design of free companies that need to be addressed.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

was someone talking about violence?

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Originally Posted by Kaelah

Executing a virtual character should be equally unimportant by your logic. Besides, no one is being that extreme. Just suggesting naming the person to stop them taking advantage of others.

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This is the full context of what was said:

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Originally Posted by vigioX-Sun

You got part of the blame of this, but just to think someone could do something like that boil my blood, it deserve death by stone.
Use Reddit an Facebook an get us those names, the community will make sure he harm nobody ever again.

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The fact that there are groups of people in the world who would execute someone over a bunch of cartoons can make it difficult to tell when someone is exaggerating or joking with this stuff. Poe's law in action.

Sorry to hear what happened to you OP.
Allowing people to promote above their own rank is crazy and it really should be changed. Game Developers of all people should realise that if something can be exploited it will be.

I don't envy you having to unlock the airships, build and level them all over again. We had to do this when we moved and it was a long haul.
The materials you need to 'buy' workshop recipes can't be bought but they can be traded. If any kind FC leaders on Balmung are reading this and have extra, maybe you could help the OP out.

The only thing I can add is that you might consider not giving your alts the same privileges as your main. My alts cannot demolish the workshop, decommission airships or take gil out of the FC chest.
It's a little inconvenient but it's a safeguard. As any FC leader knows, there are a lot of permissions to check/uncheck when you make or change a rank, so if I slip up at any time and somebody accidentally gets the ability to promote themselves, the damage they can do is limited.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Sadly nothing will be done.

SE should never allow anyone to promote themselves into a higher position than they are already in.

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I didn't actually realise this was possible in XIV till I read this, it's a TERRIBLE flaw in the design of any 'guild' system which I've only seen once before, over a decade ago.

Learned about this "semi-broken" feature before Heavensward (back around patch 2.4 I think) to bad it was after one of my RL friends did something... I'll just say reckless (won't elaborate further already put a thread on the Behemoth forum page about it to try & get closer... lost will to rebuild FC when leadership auto-passed to me, still in it thou lmao)... thou I leanred about it when we had jurk FC leaders locking house's keeping members from personal rooms

As horrible as something of that nature can be, as long as u learn from it & strive to never let it happen again, then at lest u haven't givin up which as far as I'm conserned is a good thing (the "not giving up" part)

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Not to butt in, but perhaps you missed the part where vigioX-Sun said the person should be stoned? As in, have rocks thrown at them until they are dead. I don't think Kaelah was out of line here...

Edit: And I highly doubt they meant the virtual character when they said that.

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This is the full context of what was said: <snip>

The fact that there are groups of people in the world who would execute someone over a bunch of cartoons can make it difficult to tell when someone is exaggerating or joking with this stuff. Poe's law in action.

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Oh my bad guys I missed that post. Yeah that is silly.

Ranks privileges are your responsability, your FC is your responsability, you give these people privilege, it sucks that one of them stole from your FC, but any GM will tell you what im saying. In the future just becareful to who you give previlege and who you thrust.

All you can do now is warn people of that person and possibly blacklist him/her incase they name change.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

was someone talking about violence?
People should know what kind of trash he is so nobody won't invite him to anything, he can make his own thief FC.

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The guy I was responding to literally suggested stoning them to death.

hell my FC is a few considerably close knit ppl and we still have a very restricted and controlled FC just incase >.> We also tend to just leave "petty cash" levels of gil in the bank. Course I and some of them come from WoW though and that game will make you distrustful of your own kin within the week :P

Will admit the settings for FC ranks etc are a bit archaic though, I tend to just make a rank and strip it clean till i see who I am putting in there (tend to leave it with just chat privileges up, sometimes I don't even allow ppl to deposit just incase lol)

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Originally Posted by Pintsized

I didn't actually realise this was possible in XIV till I read this, it's a TERRIBLE flaw in the design of any 'guild' system which I've only seen once before, over a decade ago.

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Indeed. This single flaw in the FC system should have been fixed years ago. It's a completely critical design flaw. In effect this means that if you create a rank that can promote/demote members and another rank that has bank access, players without bank access can be elevated to the rank required by players who also lack bank access. Actually the only thing players cannot gain through what amounts to an elevation of privilege attack is the FC Master role.

As it stands it actually strongly suggests that all promotion, demotion, kick and bank withdrawal rights are limited to the FC leader, unless you are fortunate enough to have people you can truly trust in officer roles - and even then you are taking a risk.

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Originally Posted by Shaemus_Jodocus

I don't think I am allowed to say name or share screenshots.

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You can't here but this forum is not the center of the universe, let reddit deal with them like suggested ^^

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Originally Posted by gastovski

Maybe you should have treated your members better, so they don't have to do something like that. I know many FC leaders are acting like superior, proud, hostile towards new/old members. Even my own FC leader recently has been hostile against a newbie. Then he afraid of him and left the company.

Moral of the story. Don't annoy or harass people, communicate nicely, do good work.

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Or maybe the thief is just a douche ? It would not be the first time and it probably won't be the last (I remember that post made my a thief actually being proud of his attitude and bragging about)

I can't tell what's worse. The fact that SE allows this fault to exist in the game or the people in this thread actually defending it.

Closest to this happening to my guild was about 500k and lots of rare mats, and garden items like thavniarian onions and chocobo food were taken from the FC chest. I got pretty upset with the guild leader, especially after I told her she shouldn't be so trusting of the members who rarely log in. She agreed and demoted the culprit to the lowest rank. It took a while to replenish what was taken, but they could be replenished. Losing guild mates for whatever reason can be crushing. Strong FCs usually survive though, and shows a lot of character within it.

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

I can't tell what's worse. The fact that SE allows this fault to exist in the game or the people in this thread actually defending it.

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I actually laughed when i saw this topic. Because in the end, its the FC leader who decide which rank gets which power when its first made. If FC member that have access to making new rank and promoting, its the FC leader to take responsability to see what power is attributate to them andm ake sure everything is fine.

Not really sure why people are blaming SE for this 'mistake', when it is clearly the users fault.

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Originally Posted by RubenSnizzle

I actually laughed when i saw this topic. Because in the end, its the FC leader who decide which rank gets which power when its first made. If FC member that have access to making new rank and promoting, its the FC leader to take responsability to see what power is attributate to them andm ake sure everything is fine.

Not really sure why people are blaming SE for this 'mistake', when it is clearly the users fault.

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You're telling me that the ability for someone to promote THEMSELVES to a rank that's HIGHER THAN THEIR OWN is not a design flaw and that SE shouldn't be held somewhat accountable for incidents that are caused by it? You're kidding right?

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Originally Posted by RubenSnizzle

Not really sure why people are blaming SE for this 'mistake', when it is clearly the users fault.

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Unless someone asked or read up on it ahead of time out of game, what reasonable person would assume promoting privileges would allow you to promote someone above your own rank? Incidents like OPs are common and this flaw in the FC system has been brought up numerous times in the past.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Unless someone asked or read up on it ahead of time, what reasonable person would assume promoting privileges would allow you to promote someone above your own rank? Incidents like OPs are common and this flaw in the FC system has been brought up numerous times in the past.

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Yup, and I think one reason it's common is because SE doesn't take any action against it. This ENCOURAGES more of these incidents to happen because they know that they won't face any consequences for it. If the GM's actually did something to the culprit, such as banning them, along with returning the stolen items, this kind of issue wouldn't be so common.

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

I can't tell what's worse. The fact that SE allows this fault to exist in the game or the people in this thread actually defending it.

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It's not a fault, it's a feature. You can choose to use it or not use it... that is completely in your control. If you decide you don't want to use that feature, it's your own fault if you create a rank with the ability.

No one is defending what happened. But there's literally zero logical sense in blaming a tool.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

It's not a fault, it's a feature. You can choose to use it or not use it... that is completely in your control. If you decide you don't want to use that feature, it's your own fault if you create a rank with the ability.

No one is defending what happened. But there's literally zero logical sense in blaming a tool.

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I don't think you understand what I'm saying. This "feature" should not be present in the game at all. Nobody should, under ANY circumstances, be able to promote themselves or others to a rank that is above their own.

I'm not blaming the tool, I'm blaming the ones behind it (aka SE)

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

It's not a fault, it's a feature. You can choose to use it or not use it... that is completely in your control. If you decide you don't want to use that feature, it's your own fault if you create a rank with the ability.

No one is defending what happened. But there's literally zero logical sense in blaming a tool.

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Whether the ability to promote oneself to a rank higher than you hold is a fault or a feature is a matter of personal opinion, but the fact that the game doesn't inform you of how that particular accessibility option works is most certainly a flaw and one that needs to be addressed, given the obvious ignorance about its working, as can be seen here. Different games do it differently and so there's no obvious or intuitive assumption to make here (indeed, the way it works in FFXIV is at odds with all of my other MMO experience). It seems the best solution would be to simply allow a second option to exist that can cap promotion at the rank you currently hold, so people could choose to have it work either way in accordance with their own needs, while the mere existence of such an option, if it's properly labeled, would help clarify how the permission works and thereby help avoid these sorts of situations.

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. This "feature" should not be present in the game at all. Nobody should, under ANY circumstances, be able to promote themselves or others to a rank that is above their own.

I'm not blaming the tool, I'm blaming the ones behind it (aka SE)

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No, I understand perfectly. I'm saying you are objectively wrong. It is a feature that is beneficial when used with a minimal level of caution and is 100% optional.

It is a tool, an option, and you are most definitely blaming the tool and not the irresponsibility of the one using it (like you should be).

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

You're telling me that the ability for someone to promote THEMSELVES to a rank that's HIGHER THAN THEIR OWN is not a design flaw and that SE shouldn't be held somewhat accountable for incidents that are caused by it? You're kidding right?

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Could be a flaw, but the fact still remain that he gave a lower rank the power of demote/promote, which by itself is powerful and the person took advantage of it because people were ignorant.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Unless someone asked or read up on it ahead of time out of game, what reasonable person would assume promoting privileges would allow you to promote someone above your own rank? Incidents like OPs are common and this flaw in the FC system has been brought up numerous times in the past.

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If it's common and has been brought up numerous times why didn't OP knew about it? I don't own a FC and i knew about it