Why FFXIV is losing me :,(

TBH I open Party Finder and see the same situation as OP mentioned.

Actually this issue could be resolved by the NPC party members system which mentioned in live letter previously (quoted below).
So one real player and 7 NPC who know the whole fight, no bonus and will not kick you for 3 strikes!


SE please implement it and also make it covers those outdated nobody cares "contents" before nobody left!



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New Grand Company Content - Squadrons
Grand Company squadrons will be introduced in Patch 3.4. This content will be a type of simulation game that can be enjoyed solo, and will involve assembling volunteers and creating your own squad. In later updates, we're thinking of adding content which you can enjoy by bringing your squadron to dungeons.

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Source: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...82016-09-13%29

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Originally Posted by Xairos

The fault lies in the incentive and it just isn't there. Wondrous Trials is as best a step we can get at this time. If you skew too much towards the old stuff, then people will just farm that content and speed people through.

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I love Wondroud Trails but sadly it can't keep my favorite content Crystal Tower alive. It's dead even on reset....or maybe it's my date center.

A thing they could do is creating a "returning bonus".
You have a bonus when a first timer is in your party, great. But you could have a bonus if it's been more than a month since you did a specific duty.

You could also gain a second chance point for that because, one day, we'll run out of first timers.

For me it's Alexander normal mode.

I took a long break from FFXIV, and came back a few weeks ago. My LS/FC is pretty much dead, with mostly new members, and I can't find anyone to do Alex 5 to 8. I've been in Duty Finder for hours, nothing.
I tried my own Party Finder, no-one join...So I stuck because no-one wants to do this anymore.

They should add an extreme roulette that gives a good chunk of unlimited token and some limited token like 200 lore and 20 scripture (to help farm relic for exemple)
This roulette should contain older raid (coil T1-13, Alex Savage 1-9) and all extreme primal it could even have Alexander NM in it.
It would help fill the duty finder for those.
Right now, the only roulette with Coil and old extreme primal is the Mentor Roulette which doesn't give a lot of incentive to do it.

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Originally Posted by Aura_Shurifon

They should add an extreme roulette that gives a good chunk of unlimited token and some limited token like 200 lore and 20 scripture (to help farm relic for exemple)
This roulette should contain older raid (coil T1-13, Alex Savage 1-9) and all extreme primal it could even have Alexander NM in it.
It would help fill the duty finder for those.
Right now, the only roulette with Coil and old extreme primal is the Mentor Roulette which doesn't give a lot of incentive to do it.

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There is already an extreme roulette and without getting online to check I believe it gives 100 lore and like 30 or 40 scripture.

But putting in a roulette for content like coil, savage, older raids and extreme primals would be an idea with a tombs reward to help with farming tombs for the anima relic.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

There is already an extreme roulette and without getting online to check I believe it gives 100 lore and like 30 or 40 scripture.

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You're talking about the "expert" roulette, and it only contains the 2 latest and relatively easy dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Aura_Shurifon

Right now, the only roulette with Coil and old extreme primal is the Mentor Roulette which doesn't give a lot of incentive to do it.

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Mentor Roulette does not include Coil.

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

Mentor Roulette does not include Coil.

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Indeed, got this wrong.
Then it's even more important to add an "extreme" roulette ^^

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Originally Posted by Aura_Shurifon

You're talking about the "expert" roulette, and it only contains the 2 latest and relatively easy dungeon.

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Ok my mistake, I'm tired and just came off a graveyard shift and only had ex roulette in my head lol. It is only the 2 latest dungeons doesn't matter how hard ppl find them they are still a high ilvl requirement.

They should come out with a raids roulette to cover raid content and with a tombs reward will get ppl running the old raids. As for the ex primals they should almost get covered in the trials roulette because they are still a trial.

Not saying this to be rude but is the server party finder not working again? This is exactly why I said this before and will say it once more. Raid Finder is pointless. Raid Finder is a simplistic version of Party Finder with lock features. If SE just allowed duties to be ran in duty finder, players can have practice and not be suffering from the "I'm late to the party" syndrome most of us who play other games get.

When the patch dropped, i hopped right on and got as much practice with Zurvan as I could, because I knew that when the week was over all I would see after is farm parties and no one willing to help out a newbie. If we had it in duty finder, regardless if we never clear, we'd still get practice. Tell me I'm wrong, because its exactly how i got practice during Titan EX back then.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Not saying this to be rude but is the server party finder not working again? This is exactly why I said this before and will say it once more. Raid Finder is pointless. Raid Finder is a simplistic version of Party Finder with lock features. If SE just allowed duties to be ran in duty finder, players can have practice and not be suffering from the "I'm late to the party" syndrome most of us who play other games get.

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The thing is, this "lock feature" is actually what makes the Raid Finder worthwile. Without it, people would still not use the Duty Findet to tackle new content, they'd only go to the Party Finder...with silly requirements.

Besides, if we're talking really "late to the party", like "I want to clear Second Coil Savage for the first time 6 months before Stormblood" the duties are in the Duty Finder. But there's no incentive of doing them for veteran players...

That's why I suggested a bonus for "returning" to a duty. If you want to farm tomestones, you'll only do the fastest way, sure. But if every duty has a one time bonus after a month-old clear, then the fastest way will shift constantly until you run out of bonuses.

Extreme roulette would be a very bad idea.. u think df is bad now? the level of toxicity in Moogle EX, Ramuh EX, T5, T7, T9, T11 coil at lv 50 would be outrageous.

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Originally Posted by Viki

Extreme roulette would be a very bad idea.. u think df is bad now? the level of toxicity in Moogle EX, Ramuh EX, T5, T7, T9, T11 coil at lv 50 would be outrageous.

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Or players could just stop accepting that toxic players are a fact of life and start excluding them and reporting them. Communities can weed out bad behavior. Happened all the time in older mmos. I think roulettes for all the content would be a great idea to get people into it.

its not a matter of weeding out the toxic players. you are talking about half the community here. NO JOKE either. i dont like it either but ive learned to accept it and exclude most if not all of DF from my playtime. I make my PFs and im rather blunt honest about people who dont belong in a farm party or douches ragging on people in learning parties.

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Originally Posted by Viki

its not a matter of weeding out the toxic players. you are talking about half the community here. NO JOKE either. i dont like it either but ive learned to accept it and exclude most if not all of DF from my playtime. I make my PFs and im rather blunt honest about people who dont belong in a farm party or douches ragging on people in learning parties.

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Most of my DF parties are quite fun and nice. I don't run into nearly as many toxic players in FfXIV that I found in some other games. Party finder is usually where I run into the toxic behavior.

lucky then :p

I'm neutral here.

I want to learn A12S, but the PF never fill up. The learning parties I see want people with x amount of experience, or the role I can play as it filled.

A12S will eventually be A4S to me; I'll complete it when it can be face-rolled.

100% agree bro... vertical progression sucks. FFXI is boss. This is just a gimmick of it... Came back because I enjoy the story, but no longer waste my time grinding stuff that is obsolete every 3 months.. At least with ffxi their was a sense of accomplishment. I just play the game for the story now.. i quit for 2 years after I realize it will never by XI. And no i'm not going to play XI because that game is ancient, not lvl 75 cap anymore, and its not on console

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Originally Posted by pawg

100% agree bro... vertical progression sucks. FFXI is boss. This is just a gimmick of it... Came back because I enjoy the story, but no longer waste my time grinding stuff that is obsolete every 3 months.. At least with ffxi their was a sense of accomplishment. I just play the game for the story now.. i quit for 2 years after I realize it will never by XI. And no i'm not going to play XI because that game is ancient, not lvl 75 cap anymore, and its not on console

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It lasts 6 months, not 3.

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Originally Posted by pawg

100% agree bro... vertical progression sucks. FFXI is boss.

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Actually, FFXI has the exact same problem. Level 75 content is dead. Sure, it had a better time managing multiple content at the same time, but it was because the level cap wasn't planned to change, and you just can't simply put higher and higher gear for years while staying on the same level. If you look at the really early days of FFXI, almost every 50- items are useless for lvl 75 content (I said "almost", I know about Leaping Boots, Emperor Hairpin, Peacock charm, etc...). That's why I hope that, one day, they'll just stop increasing the level cap, and starts wdening the choice on gear.

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Originally Posted by pawg

At least with ffxi their was a sense of accomplishment.

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On a sidenote, I rarely felt any "accomplishment" from FFXI. In fact, most content is not really hard to beat, it's just that failing is frequently brutal, and drops rates were abysmally low. FFXI is not hard, it's punishing, and it does not really give you a sense of "accomplishment", just "lack of frustration"

A lot of stuff had caps. you needed good lvl 30 gear and 50 gear to help people get though COP missions. getting access to Sea/Sky was a major accomplishment.

Farming for currency for your Relic and farming the rare items drops with a committed group over a couple of years was a major accomplishment.

Watching someone obtain an item they had worked years to get was also a great feeling. It improved your groups ability to fight HNMS efficiently and it made you part of something.

You needed gear for several different situations and fights. It also added something different to the game because there were MANY different play styles................................

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Originally Posted by pawg

A lot of stuff had caps. you needed good lvl 30 gear and 50 gear to help people get though COP missions. getting access to Sea/Sky was a major accomplishment.

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Indeed, getting access to something was good. But, in the whole playtime, it was minimal. And, in fact, not that hard. No content in lvl75 era FF XI could compare in sheer difficulty to Coil (AV and PW aside). Failing that content, however, was brutal...for example, if you lose the Mammet Fight, you have to go back to your home point (Hopefully, Tavnazia), trek all the way throughout Misareaux and Riverne Site to reach Monarch Linn and try again. It's not difficult, but damn is it boring...

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Originally Posted by pawg

Farming for currency for your Relic and farming the rare items drops with a committed group over a couple of years was a major accomplishment.

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I don't think so. Winning your first Dynamis is good, clearing all of them up to Xarcabard or Tavnazia is good. Doing the same things at least 200th times while spending millions of gils (Because, if you don't pay the entry fee yourself, then everybody want to sell the currencies to earn some gils) is just...tedious.

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Originally Posted by pawg

Watching someone obtain an item they had worked years to get was also a great feeling.

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For most items, you don't "work" for years. You work for days to be able to clear the content or kill the monster that drop the item (Leveling time not incuded). And then, you go there again and again until a dice-roll decides to favor you. No skill, no strat, no deep understanding of the game mechanics...just pure RNG.

I'm back lol

Ok let me elaborate .., my gf wanted a game to play together (yaay got a gf ...) also , RR and HW are free from subscription and she kept hearing about it .... so she downloaded the demo 14 days trial and she loved it. now I am playing to help her through learning what is an MMO and what is FFXIV... also I am re learning everything since the game is so different for me . its a cool casual stream for me . and a walk though memory lane .. hope by the time (if she keep going) we do stormblood toogether ... will see. nice to be back :)

Haha. We all come back to games we think we might be done with. Sometimes the best thing to do is take a step back and give it a rest before picking up again.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Haha. We all come back to games we think we might be done with. Sometimes the best thing to do is take a step back and give it a rest before picking up again.

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few things are different this time, 1- I changed server to actually one near me
2- I am spectator since i am maxed for the the first two expansions
3- I am doing it on my own time
4- technically Im not doing anything new except re learning since im not doing new contents

Alright, who's the troll who necro'd an old post from 2017 -- oh, it's actually the OP, lol. Welcome back! Glad you and your girlfriend are enjoying the game together.

Stormblood is being added to the free trial as well, I believe when the new expansion drops (someone correct me if I'm wrong about the timing). That'll be a while from now, but you have a lot of game to get through in the meantime.

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Originally Posted by Fahad

I am spectator since i am maxed for the the first two expansions

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Do you know about the New Game Plus feature? Basically, it lets you replay all the story quests. You could use it to follow along with what your GF is doing at the same time and get a refresher on the story, rather than just watch her character model stand still in a cutscene.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

Alright, who's the troll who necro'd an old post from 2017 -- oh, it's actually the OP, lol. Welcome back! Glad you and your girlfriend are enjoying the game together.

Stormblood is being added to the free trial as well, I believe when the new expansion drops (someone correct me if I'm wrong about the timing). That'll be a while from now, but you have a lot of game to get through in the meantime.

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you mean stormblood will be given the same treatment as RR and HW ???without subscription ? which most likely to be on sale ??! thats extra for me !!!!

most wholesome necropost ever. wb

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

Do you know about the New Game Plus feature? Basically, it lets you replay all the story quests. You could use it to follow along with what your GF is doing at the same time and get a refresher on the story, rather than just watch her character model stand still in a cutscene.

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no I dont, do I lose anything ? I would love to follow her quests , but would my lvl be affected or just be synced ? if only synced then how to do that ?

You know... I've never had a problem doing old content. I know it's kind of a weird concept, (Edit; saying that as an old WoW refugee where this was very much not true.) but I have friends in several companies on my server, and I throw out there "Hey, I'm looking for some people to help me with XYZ" ... and while it's not a given, a lot of the time my friends are interested in helping me experience the stuff they did.

Just putting that out there as an option.

Edited; sorry, I recognize only in hindsight that sounded really condescending. That's not my intent at all. Really, it's a social experience, and far from being a burden, I've always felt very encouraged by my friends to try this fight and that fight, and go pal around for a bit in places like Eureka or Palace of the Dead, if not for the rewards than to just get a feel for what it was, to see if I'd enjoy it.

I'd really hope that among your friends you'd find the same welcome.

WB :)

10 kittens

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Originally Posted by Fahad

no I dont, do I lose anything ? I would love to follow her quests , but would my lvl be affected or just be synced ? if only synced then how to do that ?

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Basically out of instanced areas you would be full power. Got a quest that says "slay x"? You can rally the entire zone and one shot it. Now the second you enter an instanced zone/quest/dungeon then it would be like doing a roulette and you are ilvl/level synced.

However you can't regain rewards for quests and the like again. You are just replaying the story again.

make sense , but I would rather do the unsynced ver for her as she learns for now .. n

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Originally Posted by Fahad

you mean stormblood will be given the same treatment as RR and HW ???without subscription ?

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Yes, exactly. It will be included for free just like A Realm Reborn and Heavensward. One thing to keep in mind about the free trial, though -- if you ever actually buy the game and subscribe, your account is no longer a "free trial" account and you can no longer play for free ever again. Well, unless you register a different e-mail and make a whole new account from scratch, that is. But then you really are starting over from square one. From the sound of it though, I assume your account is a paid account and your girlfriend is playing the free version?

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Originally Posted by Fahad

no I dont, do I lose anything ? I would love to follow her quests , but would my lvl be affected or just be synced ? if only synced then how to do that ?

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Nope, you don't lose anything. It basically just puts the rest of your quests on "pause" and allows you to follow the MSQ as if you're doing it fresh. It's even divided into "chapters" so you can choose where to jump in. You can't do any other quests while using New Game Plus, but that's just a simple matter of putting New Game Plus mode on "pause" and going back to your normal progress point. But it will remember where you were in the "New Game" MSQ and you can return to it when you like.

As far as your level goes, when you are in the open world you are always at your normal level. It only syncs you down when you enter instanced content, like how dungeons do. So, if you're playing alongside your girlfriend in the open world and she has to fight something in the open world, you're still probably going to kill it super fast if you participate. I have a couple friends who are going through ARR now, and I play New Game Plus when they are online, but in the open world sometimes I just stand back and don't damage any enemies.

One thing to be aware of though, is you only get one "save slot" for New Game Plus mode. So, if you wanted to hop over to the Crystal Tower quests, or the Hildibrand quests, you would have to dump your progress in the "New Game" MSQ progression. Again, it's not a total reset because there is a "Chapter" system that lets you continue from various story checkpoints, but they are few and far between. You can't just jump back in at precisely the point you left off, so it could be a hassle to catch up depending on where in the story it is. Edit: Actually, I don't know for an absolute fact that you lost your progress if you hop back and forth between MSQ and side quests, maybe the game remembers them separately. I've just never tried it so be careful.

When my friends first started playing, I actually made a whole new character because I forgot New Game Plus existed. But, have you considered making a new character anyway? That way you really get the "new player" vibe again and you'll have an extra character to do "New Game" sidequests with your girlfriend if/when the time comes. I actually still use a secondary character for fun anyhow, and I wait to do holiday events on that one when my friends can join. If your account doesn't allow more than one character per server, you can make one on a different server and just visit your girlfriend's server any time.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

if you ever actually buy the game and subscribe, your account is no longer a "free trial" account and you can no longer play for free ever again.

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Well, If you are unsubbed long enough you can take advantage of the occasional free login periods.

Ouch, seeing this is an issue that's been here for long and devs have done nothing is really disencouraging.

@Fahad, you're making some very good points, especially the bold print where you're listing some solutions to reviving dead content. I love a lot of the old content as well and it's a shame that SE doesn't create new rewards to revitalize the old endgame content. I especially miss the the savage train fight from stormblood that references FFVI. It was such a fun fight!

lol oh hey ur still here posting away six years later