"At the moment we are working to get rid of the gender lock for bunny suits for men."

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Stop policing the forums, lol.

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nah:rolleyes:

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Didn't they say that it will be the female dev team that will be designing the male-equivalent bunny suit?

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Bunny set is for female, you can't say oh the headpiece should not be "female only" and the rest would be nice.
When ppl get the head, they will ask why only the head but not the rest.

A system needs to be consistent, if they change the head, they need change the whole set, then change every set including the latest Garo makai female sets.

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What? They've already done this for a couple of sets where boots/gloves were women only and got that tag removed but the body pieces retained it.

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Originally Posted by GMERC

Nier Automata crossover glamour is more "real content" than removing a gender restriction on one piece of gag glamour, yes. Absolutely.

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^ this

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Originally Posted by Inori-Yuzuriha

^ this

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http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...94/698/475.png

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Originally Posted by Inori-Yuzuriha

what about... real content?

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It's gonna sting when the bunny suit happens and cross over doesn't. :p

First give us the Edda outfit for females and then the bunny for males. :p

Male characters need the fishnet and heels too...Just saying... >w> ♥

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Originally Posted by Yasmina

First give us the Edda outfit for females and then the bunny for males. :p

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How about give men both, instead of continuing to perpetuate the silly imbalance?

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Originally Posted by Serilda

How about give men both, instead of continuing to perpetuate the silly imbalance?

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Or an alternative to Edda's outfit, I would not want that on my Roe, just saying. :x Nybeth's rags could work, not the best option though.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

How about give men both, instead of continuing to perpetuate the silly imbalance?

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Oh I just said it as a joke.
Although I remember that they had said that first the Edda outfit would be only for female.
And the truth I hope they soon remove the block to many pieces, because there are some of male that I like. It's been a long time since they told us they would do it...
By the way, I have always supported the removal of all restrictions on gender and race!

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Originally Posted by Yasmina

Oh I just said it as a joke.

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Sorry I had to say this but since this is pretty sensitive topic that make some people triggered when someone asking male stuff should be wear by female but male shouldn't wear female stuff or female want another exclusive stuff that can't be wear by male, please stop with this joke.

Now that I think of it, did they ever unlock gender-restrictions on any of the older gear post 2016 pax interview?

I remember them quickly making(with some controversy) the expeditioners gloves (?) and a shoe unisex when it was 1st released a female-only, but I'm not sure if that was before or after that interview.

Well in another thread someone posted that the Chinese players will get another exclusive outfit again..there is really no excuses anymore if you can handle creating all those stuff for one part of your playerbase (we only get them after posting a lot about it) and yet somehow cant release that bunny set for males. So sad. :/

I only want the damn ears. Why is it so difficult and time consuming to enable the ears on men?

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Or an alternative to Edda's outfit, I would not want that on my Roe, just saying. :x Nybeth's rags could work, not the best option though.

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That's fine; girls would want the rags too though for roleplay so may as well ask for an option for everyone or both unlocked and let the players choose ;)

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Originally Posted by Yasmina

First give us the Edda outfit for females and then the bunny for males. :p

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But the whole point is that female characters already have a lot of special extras while males haven't even gotten anything yet despite being promised that the imbalance would be fixed. How do you jump from that to 'give me more cute stuff for my waifu first'?

I mean, if they wanted to give everyone Edda's outfit, that would be fine, or even better if they made a slightly more masculine version (I could see turning the dress into a frilly dress coat or something) that would not be subsequently unlocked for females unless the dress was for males...but as they've currently stated that there would be no male equivalent for the outfit, there's gonna be a problem if they release it before taking a single step to fix the preexisting issue.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

But the whole point is that female characters already have a lot of special extras while males haven't even gotten anything yet despite being promised that the imbalance would be fixed. How do you jump from that to 'give me more cute stuff for my waifu first'?

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Yeah, we get extras, but we also have to deal with BS variants on many unisex outfits. It sucks when we're forced to wear a skirt when men get pants, or bits and pieces of armor are stripped away for skin windows. Can't even look forward to getting to have the classic RDM look as its already shown we'll get some frilly, poofy nonsense.

I'd happily trade all these frilly, girly exclusives if I could not worry about outfits looking drastically different, or altered in some nonsense way. They really seem to be against men looking any bit feminine, but they also do not want female characters looking too masculine or rough. It sucks.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

Can't even look forward to getting to have the classic RDM look as its already shown we'll get some frilly, poofy nonsense.

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I know you're just looking for anything you possibly can to complain about, but I would just like to draw attention to the fact that THIS is exactly the same outfit as THIS. You're only undermining your own point when you tell lies, intentionally or otherwise.

Unless you wanna tell me that Miqo'te girl just has a "frilly, poofy nonsense" hairstyle we don't have yet.

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Originally Posted by GMERC

I know you're just looking for anything you possibly can to complain about, but I would just like to draw attention to the fact that THIS is exactly the same outfit as THIS. You're only undermining your own point when you tell lies, intentionally or otherwise.

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Except there is a very distinct difference you're either just not seeing or trying not to see. The collar and sleeves are very different. If you can't then look up during the reveal of the Collector's they had an assistant dressup up in the female's attire and you clearly see it.

Don't downplay people's issues as "complaining just to complain". Male characters have issue with many genderlocked attire, and I have an issue with unisex attire not keeping uniformity. Both of these need to be addressed as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

Except there is a very distinct difference you're either just not seeing or trying not to see. The collar and sleeves are very different. If you can't then look up during the reveal of the Collector's they had an assistant dressup up in the female's attire and you clearly see it.

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Fair, You got me on the collar, but I'll dismiss things like the sleeves as artistic emblishment because it wouldn't be the first time Mogi has fluffed up their character art.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

Don't downplay people's issues as "complaining just to complain". Male players have issue with many genderlocked attire, and I have an issue with unisex attire not keeping uniformity. Both of these need to be addressed as a whole.

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And yet there are several female players I know who would want more gender differences in gear, as well. The problem with citing a nebulous group of people to support your point is that the same could be said in opposition and all you get is a stalemate. I don't think any of this really needs to be addressed, because there's plenty of options for both sexes to choose from. Not everyone is going to like the same things, but it isn't just men playing female characters who want what would be dismissed as revealing 'fanservice' outfits, you know.

If you wanted to look "masculine or rough" maybe the first course of action wouldn't have been selecting the absolute daintiest race, because that's already going to be a hindrance (but not an actual roadblock) to whatever aesthetic you're looking for. Even a midlander is easy to make look "masculine or rough" by comparison.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

Male players have issue with many genderlocked attire, and I have an issue with unisex attire not keeping uniformity. Both of these need to be addressed as a whole.

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Watch that. We're not talking about male players, we're talking about players of male characters, many of whom are female for the same reason many female characters are played by males. And your issue is the same as mine, essentially, because those sexier/girlier alterations to your gear are done for the same reason the gender locking disparity exists: to benefit male players looking for eye candy, without risking offending them by giving female players the same opportunity.

Though in my case, I'd be just as happy for my male character to get some frills, or be stuck with the skirt(shorts?)-and-tights version of things. That sort of thing really needs to be made toggleable, or at least have the other version made available for glamour so people can decide for themselves.

In the end, all I want is for everyone to have the same options available to them.

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Originally Posted by GMERC

Fair, You got me on the collar, but I'll dismiss things like the sleeves as artistic emblishment because it wouldn't be the first time Mogi has fluffed up their character art.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0aHFQiXEAAacTP.jpg This is why I said you should have looked it up, but here. That's no light "fluff".

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Originally Posted by GMERC

And yet there are several female players I know who would want more gender differences in gear, as well. The problem with citing a nebulous group of people to support your point is that the same could be said in opposition and all you get is a stalemate. I don't think any of this really needs to be addressed, because there's plenty of options for both sexes to choose from. Not everyone is going to like the same things, but it isn't just men playing female characters who want what would be dismissed as revealing 'fanservice' outfits, you know.

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The supported idea is no one wants to be locked to how they want to look because of the gender they chose for their character. The problem comes from a different source, but they both are rooted by the same ideology by those in charge. Men can't have dresses or more feminine attire simply because those in power have issue with men dressing in such a way outside of comedic efforts. So are you to say "well these players like having this look" for female-based variations should always be just accepted? "Well people don't want to see men wearing girly things" then means those playing male characters simply must just accept because some opposing party feels differently about the matter.

It'd be best if attire be kept uniform and much greater options be introduced, and not hampered by archaic concepts.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Watch that. We're not talking about male players, we're talking about players of male characters,

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Yeah, my bad, gonna edit that. And yeah, it's why I wholly support any efforts such as yours and your own. Not just for myself, but because it's a ridiculous thing to still do in this age when people have become much more free with expressing themselves.

I respect and support any threads related to this kind of thing.

WAY too many games are left in the hands of devs who wants to sell more my making eye candy for male players. Just look at Tera, Black Desert and hell, even Phantasy Star 2 if you want to have an exemple within the Japanese market.

If equality is ignored and male players/female character players always get what they want with no resistance, then this MMO will become a boobfest and it will lose all my and many other's interest like many other games.

The message to the devs of FF14 should be clear. If you want to make eye candy, make eye candy for male characters too and I'll be a happy customer.

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

Yes and the problem is what exactly?
Of course people will ask for the rest, especially when there are more items in the game for female characters, or when things don't make sense: Men can wear home grown flowers but not the Makai Flowers.

So if things get changed? What exactly is the problem...or what is YOUR problem?
Things being changed is a solution.

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Where did I say I have problem?
Now it is you have problem that you can't equip the gear for female on your male character.
We are here to solve YOUR problem.

I'm normally opposed to exclusivity, but I have to say, keep the super feminine outfits for females. Really don't want to see catboys running around in pink miniskirts and stockings all the time.

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Originally Posted by Adire

I'm normally opposed to exclusivity, but I have to say, keep the super feminine outfits for females. Really don't want to see catboys running around in pink miniskirts and stockings all the time.

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You don't. But I sure do.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

You don't. But I sure do.

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Good thing I'm in the majority then if sexuality is anything to go by.

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Originally Posted by Adire

I'm normally opposed to exclusivity, but I have to say, keep the super feminine outfits for females. Really don't want to see catboys running around in pink miniskirts and stockings all the time.

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What about us Male Roe? I'd like to wear a miniskirt every know and then to let the "kids" hang a bit. Sometimes wearing tight leather and stuffy armor is a bit too much...

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Originally Posted by ErryK

What about us Male Roe? I'd like to wear a miniskirt every know and then to let the "kids" hang a bit. Sometimes wearing tight leather and stuffy armor is a bit too much...

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You should see some of the Roes on Balmung. You don't need skirts to be fabulous.

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Originally Posted by Adire

You should see some of the Roes on Balmung. You don't need skirts to be fabulous.

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It's not about being fabulous though ._.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

It's not about being fabulous though ._.

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Maybe they can give Roes a special tribal loincloth or something ;)

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Originally Posted by Adire

Maybe they can give Roes a special tribal loincloth or something ;)

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Oooh, that's a good idea! The tribal stuff is kinda lacking in XIV.

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Originally Posted by Adire

I'm normally opposed to exclusivity, but I have to say, keep the super feminine outfits for females. Really don't want to see catboys running around in pink miniskirts and stockings all the time.

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That's really unfortunate, especially since we already have the option to do exactly that with the items currently available in-game.
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And you might not like seeing catboys dressed this way, but I'm not too crazy about Au Ra girls in bikinis, and yet I'd never have the nerve to tell someone they shouldn't be allowed to wear one.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

That's really unfortunate, especially since we already have the option to do exactly that with the items currently available in-game.
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And you might not like seeing catboys dressed this way, but I'm not too crazy about Au Ra girls in bikinis, and yet I'd never have the nerve to tell someone they shouldn't be allowed to wear one.

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I suppose I should've said I don't want to see more catboys in more skirts.

And Au Ra girls in bikinis aren't crossdressing. Crossdressing is way out of societal norms and tends to deeply bother people who don't care for it themselves, which happens to be the majority of people if real life and MMO trends are anything to go by.

It's your right to wear what you want, and it's my right to be bothered by it. Not that I can help it. So I'd prefer to see less crossdressing ability added. Feminine clothing just doesn't look right on males.

I want more miniskirts for all :)

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Originally Posted by Adire

It's your right to wear what you want, and it's my right to be bothered by it. Not that I can help it. So I'd prefer to see less crossdressing ability added. Feminine clothing just doesn't look right on males.

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And skimpy sexualized clothing doesn't look right on something as small and child-like as an Au Ra female or a Lalafell female. Between the two, I find cross-dressing far more tolerable, but I'm not going to go around telling SE to ban skimpy/sexualized stuff on females of those two races, because different societies have different standards, different people have different preferences, and as long as no one in real life is being hurt, I don't see what business of mine it is giving an opinion to restrict what happens in an MMORPG.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

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Au Ra easily pass for a small framed adult female, or at least of age. Lalafell are different enough looking from humans to be easily distinguishable from them, though I see your point there. Justifying one thing that bothers people by using another thing that bothers people is pointless though. Crossdressing is a completely different issue.

Public crossdressing is frowned upon in most societies and is typically only done for comedic purposes because it makes the majority of people uncomfortable to some degree. It's also not something people who are bothered by can do anything about either short of closing their eyes. So it does hurt in a way.

There's also the argument of immersion. Men player characters in neon pink skirts and stockings and the like vs not a single NPC that's doing it in a non-comedic way. Crossdressing doesn't fit with the aesthetic of the game at all. In a poppy kind of game? Maybe, but not here.

I'm not saying I disagree when I see characters glamoured in a way that breaks immersion for the setting. I'm just saying, what makes one person uncomfortable doesn't affect another. Consider in Japan that cross-dressing is actually on the common side; there are lots of boys who cross-dress as girls and pass for it as well due to their natural appearance, and its generally accepted. Its probably something frowned upon in a place like Ishgard, but I can imagine Ul'dah and Limsa Lominsa would both be fairly open minded. We see plenty of examples of NPCs who fit into the LGBTQ category of sexuality without issue. You meet two when you start the Nym dungeon, a Miqo'te and Hyur male. I believe there are some female couples as well, and you even have a male lalafell in the Drybone Inn who is in a bed sleeping and mutters about Rhauban making him his Sultana.

I don't see a reason to gender-lock outfits. It creates a significant imbalance in the availability of glamours for characters. Females are already extremely favored in the game, having more genderlocked outfits, and more unique outfits than males.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

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Well, if they want to make crossdressing with every outfit possible in Japan's version of the game, I wouldn't care. Though the men in XIV don't pass for females very well like you say happens in Japan. Which might partly be why it's acceptable in Japan. If men in Japan were on average taller and more bulky, maybe it wouldn't be so accepted.

But seeing it bothers me and bothers many others in the west so personally, I would strongly prefer it didn't increase. Men can have their masculine skimpy clothes and normal outfits, females can have theirs. We don't have to have everything open to everyone to have diversity.