Swimming in 4.0 [Disscussion]

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

From what it sounds like, we are learning to swim. The drowning during Leviathans fight would still be canon for the time. Technically when we fight Levi, we are having a flashback. You'd still be at risk of drowning.

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Or maybe leviathan's aether interfering with us who knows

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Thanks for the answer, maybe the other people above didn't realize my question was serious, and not sardonic. I wasn't sure if the devs had any non-combat plans for the feature, such as gathering, is all.

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Just to add on to this.

They specifically mentioned "Fisher" on the slide.

In 1.0, fisher did have a Fishing Spear in it's offhand slot. However, it was very limited to streams and under utilized. With swimming and diving added, it seems like the most opportune time to reintroduce it.

I guess we will be able to access hidden caves with monsters only by diving/swimming so it is not just for gathering. I never played any MMO with underwater combat, my only experience is Emerald Weapon, why is it that bad to have underwater combat?

For those asking what the point of swimming will be:

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F: Flying had a big role in Heavensward. Will swimming and diving also have a big importance?
Y: In Heavensward, you unlocked flying after finishing the main quests in that area, so it wasn’t really necessary for the main quests. With swimming and diving, you will need it for certain main scenario quests, which is why you will need to get the ability to do so. Other than the MSQ, you won’t be forced by the game to swim/dive. However, there will be content for it that will expand the game experience. Flying is only a means of transportation, but there is content that you won’t be able to do unless you dive, which gives it even more importance than flying.

F: Will there be dungeons and towns underwater?
Y: Um…. (laugh). I won’t say no.

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http://gamerescape.com/2016/12/26/fa...festival-2016/

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Originally Posted by Hagen

I guess we will be able to access hidden caves with monsters only by diving/swimming so it is not just for gathering. I never played any MMO with underwater combat, my only experience is Emerald Weapon, why is it that bad to have underwater combat?

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Underwater combat is inevitably a bad feature in MMO's like this one, because the combat system isn't really designed for full utilization of the vertical axis. Making it functional is one thing. Making it not look like trash is another, as you deal with attacking things directly above and below you, and getting proper animations for everything underwater. The ability to fight in a full 360 environment like that doesn't really come easily, animation-wise, for an MMO.

Edit: It's also typically very frustrating because it is way more difficult to see enemies.

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Originally Posted by Remus

I personally don't like how they are adding swimming. It just seems so wasted compared to flying. Once I get the aether currents what need would I have to go in there beside gathering or being forced to go in there? I just hope they don't invest too much into swimming then in the end its not used much. From what they showed just seems like "hey we have swimming now! for reasons!". I am glad you can't fight in water but any game which has swimming ended up just being a waste and never done right. Which is why most games not don't invest much into swimming now... it's just not worth it for a way of travel.

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I bet they will limit it to zones where you cannot fly. I don't think this will be a traveling method more like an option to go underwater and maybe also add some quests.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Underwater combat is inevitably a bad feature in MMO's like this one, because the combat system isn't really designed for full utilization of the vertical axis. Making it functional is one thing. Making it not look like trash is another, as you deal with attacking things directly above and below you, and getting proper animations for everything underwater. The ability to fight in a full 360 environment like that doesn't really come easily, animation-wise, for an MMO.

Edit: It's also typically very frustrating because it is way more difficult to see enemies.

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Underwater fighting monsters and some likeness to Leves is available on GW2 it worked great and was a lot of fun, plus they added new gathering items and the rewards where pretty decent. I am glad to see that they are adding features rather than just another OP Mob to beat down to death and then everyone complain once it gets a bit stale.

I suspect it will only be in Stormblood zones. Unfortunate but likely.

The animations look pretty nice in the video, and I appreciate that it looks like they're making an effort to populate underwater with scenery instead of leaving it a barren wasteland. xD

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I suspect it will only be in Stormblood zones. Unfortunate but likely.

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I thought it was confirmed that swimming would be added to older zones? Eastern La Noscea was (I think) confirmed to be one of the zones you'd be able to swim in, unless that was just fan speculation after all.

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Originally Posted by Remus

From what they showed just seems like "hey we have swimming now! for reasons!". I am glad you can't fight in water but any game which has swimming ended up just being a waste and never done right. Which is why most games not don't invest much into swimming now... it's just not worth it for a way of travel.

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What would be the problem is swimming were added just for the sheer heck of it? Just to allow us to play in the water? Is that so wrong?

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Originally Posted by Miyha

I thought it was confirmed that swimming would be added to older zones? Eastern La Noscea was (I think) confirmed to be one of the zones you'd be able to swim in, unless that was just fan speculation after all.

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Don't forget The Mist...

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Originally Posted by Miyha

I thought it was confirmed that swimming would be added to older zones? Eastern La Noscea was (I think) confirmed to be one of the zones you'd be able to swim in, unless that was just fan speculation after all.

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All I saw in those info slides SE showed was that it would be in "limited zones", which made me suspect Stormblood zones only. If there are other sources with more info, that would be cool!

I can see them adding swimming to older zones, maybe limit that they can't dive to avoid having to do any major redesigns outside of maybe moving the boundaries a bit in like the Limsa Housing area or Costa del Sol

the ARR zones are getting it "limited" seems some areas you can only swim on the surface to get across and the one to get more work put into it will prolly be costa del sol for RP reasons.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

All I saw in those info slides SE showed was that it would be in "limited zones", which made me suspect Stormblood zones only. If there are other sources with more info, that would be cool!

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Costa del Sol was mentioned at that time and was also shown in the demonstration video.

Main goal of the "limited zones" phrase is to prevent people from complaining if a zone doesn't get swimming.

ARR/HW zones I could see us getting to Swim/Dive in are: East La Noscea, Upper La Noscea, East Shroud and Mor Dhona.

Swimming will be available even in some ARR areas. Costa Del Sol was name dropped. Yoshida playfully dodged the question of whether housing areas would have swimming areas (but it's safe to speculate that they will). Not all bodies of water will be safe to swim in. Diving will be only in 4.0 areas.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

Diving will be only in 4.0 areas.

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Costa Del Sol will have Diving (they showcased it in the demo video). Swimming will be available to everyone from the start of 4.0, Diving will be unlocked in a 60+ quest, but will not be limited to 4.0 areas.

https://images.discordapp.net/.eJwdy...N9tCFQjTg_iZ2E

That would be nice, but Costa would have to be the one exception to the rule.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Don't forget The Mist...

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I would actually like to swim in the Lavender Beds, lol. There's that pretty area with the waterfall that would be neat to hang out in.

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Originally Posted by Miyha

I would actually like to swim in the Lavender Beds, lol. There's that pretty area with the waterfall that would be neat to hang out in.

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Very true, and if we are going there, then I'd like to be able to swim in the Goblet too, since my house is on the edge of the Brimming Heart, while my FC house is in the Mist.

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Originally Posted by Remus

I personally don't like how they are adding swimming. It just seems so wasted compared to flying. Once I get the aether currents what need would I have to go in there beside gathering or being forced to go in there? I just hope they don't invest too much into swimming then in the end its not used much. From what they showed just seems like "hey we have swimming now! for reasons!". I am glad you can't fight in water but any game which has swimming ended up just being a waste and never done right. Which is why most games not don't invest much into swimming now... it's just not worth it for a way of travel.

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Honestly flying is just as much as an aesthetic as swimming is and isn't necessary to the game. The only thing flying does is grant us a faster mode of transportation which could have technically been fulfilled by just increasing movement speed on land. What both flying and swimming do is place things within the game out of reach if you can't fly or swim/dive. You can't reach some parts of churning mist and sea of clouds without flying, but was that super necessary? No, but is it enjoyable to the game experience to have some things be limited without being able to fly to it? Heck yeah.

For the same reason, swimming is a desirable addition because they can add dungeons and NPCs that are only accessible by diving to them that make more sense to be in water based off the lore than it would make sense to be on dry land. For example, the Sahagin beast tribe really makes zero sense being on dry land. They should have been a beast tribe we would encounter during underwater exploration. It would also add fun dimensions to dungeons also where you might have to swim through a cavern or dive within a dungeon to get to the next boss.

Having swimming allows FFXIV to have more continuity instead of weird invisible walls every time you encounter water and allows the devs to come up with unique concepts like underwater cities like Atlantis. I'm actually secretly hoping that our new residential area is a underwater residence.The housing can exist within air pockets, but the majority of the area could be underwater. It would honestly be unique and incredibly beautiful.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I swear if I can't doggie paddle i will bite someone, ;P

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Not to start with, unfortunately. Sprint(run?) = Crawl, Walk = Breaststroke
http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...3_00_18-AM.jpg
But maybe the animations will be different for Lalas.

Final Fantasy X says underwater battles are just fine!...

Producer Yoshida should be aware of that and the dev team should be able to implement that system!...

It's worth to remember that only Tidus, Wakka and Rikku were able to fight underwater, that probably means not all jobs could do it and not all actions would be possible but then you can't expect to battle while diving without any kind of tradeoff!... :confused:

Awesome as this is it's not really THAT surprising to me. The 3D movement system was already in place from flying.

What if there are nodes underwater? Gathering on a whole different level

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Final Fantasy X says underwater battles are just fine!...

Producer Yoshida should be aware of that and the dev team should be able to implement that system!...

It's worth to remember that only Tidus, Wakka and Rikku were able to fight underwater, that probably means not all jobs could do it and not all actions would be possible but then you can't expect to battle while diving without any kind of tradeoff!... :confused:

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Remember the arcanist story quest? It literally shows that our book become useless after soaked...

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Final Fantasy X says underwater battles are just fine!...

Producer Yoshida should be aware of that and the dev team should be able to implement that system!...

It's worth to remember that only Tidus, Wakka and Rikku were able to fight underwater, that probably means not all jobs could do it and not all actions would be possible but then you can't expect to battle while diving without any kind of tradeoff!... :confused:

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Fire IV *tzzschhh*
Fire IV *tzzschhh*
BLM hesitates.
Thunder III *bzzzzzt*
Wipe.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Final Fantasy X says underwater battles are just fine!...

Producer Yoshida should be aware of that and the dev team should be able to implement that system!...

It's worth to remember that only Tidus, Wakka and Rikku were able to fight underwater, that probably means not all jobs could do it and not all actions would be possible but then you can't expect to battle while diving without any kind of tradeoff!... :confused:

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Final Fantasy 10 was a completely different combat system. Underwater combat in MMOs is almost universal in how unpopular it ends up being. Even GW2 who put extra effort into it kind of sidelined it when it turned out to have a luke warm response from players.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Final Fantasy X says underwater battles are just fine!...

Producer Yoshida should be aware of that and the dev team should be able to implement that system!...

It's worth to remember that only Tidus, Wakka and Rikku were able to fight underwater, that probably means not all jobs could do it and not all actions would be possible but then you can't expect to battle while diving without any kind of tradeoff!... :confused:

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The battle was not much different than on land
Bad guys on the left, good guys on the right, let's start
It will not work like this in XIV

Not that i would hate underwater combat (in fact i was a beast killing ppls underwarter in GW2 pvp lol) but i dont see it woring in ffxiv, unless system forces us to just walk underweater like you do in the Sunken shrine in ffI.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

Fire IV *tzzschhh*
Fire IV *tzzschhh*
BLM hesitates.
Thunder III *bzzzzzt*
Wipe.

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Dragoon: "Time to use Jump!! ....oh wait."

Monk: Time to smash the earth using my Rockbreaker technique in the middle of the water!! Oh wait..."

Bard: *Oils arrow* Behold my Flaming Arr-*sssssst*"

Can potatoes float? totallynotfordrowninglalafellpurposes.

I hope i can swim from the wolves den across to the other side please square make it happen

I also want to echo that thing people keep saying about actually being able to take our shoes off too. Those default sandals are weird, they look like crap.

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Originally Posted by Hen-Hen

I also want to echo that thing people keep saying about actually being able to take our shoes off too. Those default sandals are weird, they look like crap.

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There will be swim sandals

http://www.gameinformer.com/cfs-file...g_2D00_610.jpg

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Originally Posted by Felis

There will be swim sandals

http://www.gameinformer.com/cfs-file...g_2D00_610.jpg

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Surely they would be swim flip-flops? I mean, paddling at the beach in anything other than flip-flops? It's unthinkable.... ;)

http://wonderopolis.org/wp-content/u...k_59813551.jpg

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Surely they would be swim flip-flops? I mean, paddling at the beach in anything other than flip-flops? It's unthinkable.... ;)

http://wonderopolis.org/wp-content/u...k_59813551.jpg

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EW! Let me just go barefoot!

as long as its avalible for Understandable/Expectable ARR/HW zones (Costa, Mist, etc...) I'm fine with it being added without combat, as long as they at lest make the expasion right (like HW's story so far felt great but end game felt like 2.0)

Just give me a mermaid glam tail I'll be happy.

Finally!
I knew this was a feature they wanted in earlier, but because PS3 was holding the game back, they probably couldn't do it.
FFXIV is about to get good with the support dropped for PS3. Thank god.
Here's hoping that stormblood will have limited flying. Flying mounts quite literally killed heavensward.