Season 3 Matchmaking Failure

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Originally Posted by Korihu

I don't know Ava personally, but I know that they are a really good WHM. I'm a healer and whenever I am up against them, they always time their CCs on me perfectly to prevent me from healing any form of bursts. Maybe I'm just bad, but I don't think it's right to accuse Ava of whatever you are accusing them of.

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Sorry this thread got completely off topic but no i am not accusing Ava of hacking at all. The point was that just because players on Aether have higher win rates than other DC's, it doesn't really mean anything since clearly they're inflated. Not sure why they're inflated, but they are.

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Originally Posted by Koltik

Sorry this thread got completely off topic but no i am not accusing Ava of hacking at all. The point was that just because players on Aether have higher win rates than other DC's, it doesn't really mean anything since clearly they're inflated. Not sure why they're inflated, but they are.

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Ah, sorry. I misinterpreted it as accusing them of something.

I dunno, most healers on the data center have like a ~50% win rate. How do win rates get inflated anyway? It's just a case of winning more than you lose so..

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Originally Posted by Korihu

I dunno, most healers on the data center have like a ~50% win rate. How do win rates get inflated anyway? It's just a case of winning more than you lose so..

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That's the question of the day.

Good healer vs dog **** healer that manages to somehow get gold despite 40% winrate, repeatedly.

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Originally Posted by Koltik

That's the question of the day.

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Well, the only way for winrates to become inflated is to be matched against the exact same people over and over. Which can happen, frequently, during off hours and it makes the rating less comparable to someone who fought more different enemies/during prime time.

The best example of that would be party queue - if you "only" had a team of bad players and a team of moderate players playing for most of the day, the team of moderate players would have a highly inflated winrate from farming the worse team. And even though a top team that could easily beat the moderate players might enter late at night after clearing Savage, they don't find any enemies, let alone the moderate team to reduce their winrate.

If inflation happens, it's a side effect of low available matches. Conversely, rating deflation can also happen for the same reasons.

I can kind of understand it being a little loose to try and ease queue times, but I think it should be much firmer for qualifiers. Was on a good streak today then got paired with 3 unranked in one match and a first time healer in qualifiers. It's unacceptable. I'd rather wait 30 minutes for a fair shot at a qualifier than just be thrown in with whatever.

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Originally Posted by Koltik

Sorry this thread got completely off topic but no i am not accusing Ava of hacking at all. The point was that just because players on Aether have higher win rates than other DC's, it doesn't really mean anything since clearly they're inflated. Not sure why they're inflated, but they are.

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It could be based off of the talent pool and size of the pool in general.

Aether most likely has a larger pvp community than primal does and the range of experience between top players, mid-core and new players is vast. So thus the inflation of the percentages based on the size of the pool would matter here.

Primal has a smaller, more focused community so we challenge a lot of the same people who are seasoned so it affects our rating that way, based off of talent pool.

I'm not saying that one DC is better than the other but this is how I view the percentile differences between the two NA DCs.

I regret starting ranked so late in the season. These 50 min queues are killing me . I'll never get past bronze at this rate

On the flip side this is a terrific time to start up if you are a competent (not even great just competent is enough) healer starting up the season as you will be matched against brand new heals almost every match who have no idea what they are doing giving you easy victories and a pretty win ratio.

There's still over 2 months left in the season though I hardly think the ranks are as impossible to climb as people have been making it sound in some of the threads past few days. Not everyone was able to no life the season as soon as it started considering we are heading into the hardest part of the fall semester for some of us and we just do not have the time to play now like how we will a month from now when the semesters are ending. Even though I've only played all of 9 games this season I still expect to be able to rank 2 months from now. I guess time will tell.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

On the flip side this is a terrific time to start up if you are a competent (not even great just competent is enough) healer starting up the season as you will be matched against brand new heals almost every match who have no idea what they are doing giving you easy victories and a pretty win ratio.

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This is exactly why it's bad for pretty much everyone else lol.

Honestly, starting late this season has been so bad that I've been tempted to take up healing myself, just so I won't get the shaft with a rookie healer. The only reason I haven't is because I don't think that D-pad targeting will be fast enough for me to keep up with the pace of Feast ... and I'd have to re-gear my healer, which I'm just too lazy to do.

The real problem that I can foresee, however, is that the matchmaking is still putting up brick walls for rank divisions. I got a silver player last night who I know for a fact lost their gold-qualifiers because they got the same scrub healer 3 matches straight. After suffering the same fate multiple times last season, I felt pretty bad for them. I'm not opposed to these types of matchmaking changes, but I still firmly believe that new or rookie players should be excluded from qualifiers (NO unranked players in silver qualifier matches). At the very least, they shouldn't count as guaranteed negative points.

But the season is not even 3 weeks old and yet people saying it's already late to start. This sentiment seems a little overly dramatic to me especially when we aren't even half way into the season lol.

Season 3 does not end with 3.5. It ends in 3.55, you can expect lull aactivities in the feast for a few weeks once 3.55 hits but it will pick back up again close to 3.55.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

But the season is not even 3 weeks old and yet people saying it's already late to start. This sentiment seems a little overly dramatic to me especially when we aren't even half way into the season lol.

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That's totally true ... however, in the last two seasons the bulk of points in the top 50 have been drawn in the first week of Feast and do not change afterwards. If you look at the rankings right now, the points of the top players are not very different from the final results of both season 1 and 2. That's not to say that ranking up after the first week is impossible or anything. It's totally possible, and a lot of people slugged it out late into the last two seasons to get to where they ended up. It's just that a trend has been established in the previous two seasons which indicates that the first week is the most critical time for establishing an early and safe lead in points. If season 3 goes the same way, then anyone who missed week 1 will have a much harder grind ahead of them in the next 2 and a half months, especially if top tier players hit the pause button to protect their leads.

That said, Season 3 could very well break the mold of the past two seasons. It's already entirely possible to grind it out late in the game, so I definitely agree that saying it's "late" in the season is over-dramatic. There's still a lot of time left. It just depends on how active the community is

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Originally Posted by Februs

I got a silver player last night who I know for a fact lost their gold-qualifiers because they got the same scrub healer 3 matches straight. After suffering the same fate multiple times last season, I felt pretty bad for them. I'm not opposed to these types of matchmaking changes, but I still firmly believe that new or rookie players should be excluded from qualifiers (NO unranked players in silver qualifier matches). At the very least, they shouldn't count as guaranteed negative points.

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Maybe we should ask to remove qualifiers at all. Just assign a rank according to total points and that is enough.

Had only one match to get promoted, and loss. You know how that can be.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Maybe we should ask to remove qualifiers at all. Just assign a rank according to total points and that is enough.

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This doesn't matter anymore. You lose so few points when you lose in bronze, silver and gold so you can just keep trying till eventually you brute force your way through. And since you can't get matched up with unranked or bronze anymore when you trying for platinum and diamond qualifier I don't see why they need to get rid of it.

I'm not sure how it works, but if you are Silver and lose promotion, you still get +25 for win/-10 for lose all the way until you eventually get Gold? In that case losing promotions can be more beneficial for gaining ranking score than getting a Gold which i suppose gives only +25/-20?

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

I'm not sure how it works, but if you are Silver and lose promotion, you still get +25 for win/-10 for lose all the way until you eventually get Gold? In that case losing promotions can be more beneficial for gaining ranking score than getting a Gold which i suppose gives only +25/-20?

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Nah SE prevents this by capping your rank points until you successfully complete the ranking qualifiers and you rank. You will be capped at 100 points above the points needed to do qualifier. As an example you need 500 points to reach silver qualifier. Until you successfully get silver the most points you can accumulate while not being silver is 600 points. Any wins past that are wasted points that will not count.

Gold is +25 / -15

I got to Gold and cannot get a single pop for 30+ mins after ranking up unless I switch to a healer. And I'm bad at healing high tier matches. Silver was 10 min max for melee. I hope it's just bad time/weekend and not a general tendency. Probably have to wait for more people to rank up for faster matchmaking, as I don't have time to queue the whole day.

Also holiday

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

Also holiday

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What holiday? I would not count on queues being fast for thanksgiving it should be the opposite lol. Maybe on the weekend but thanksgiving day is football and food orly ^_^

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Originally Posted by tehomegaking

I think how it's prioritizing players is wrong or something.

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Around what time are you queueing? Typically queueing around 8-12 EST the queues are decent as a Plat Melee. As a silver you're still high enough to get into games with all the golds/plats who are the "regulars" who play almost every day. Role also plays a big part, ranged queues are usually around 20 mins even on a good day no matter what ranking you are. Healer queues are almost always instant.

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Originally Posted by tehomegaking

Yeah, this is whats leading me to believe something is wrong, or it just massively prioritizing golds over silvers. I don't know really. I know the only time I get quick queues is when unranked healers are on.

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Hmmm. I know there was a bug with FL where you could get "stuck" in certain queues that were only partially filled and took forever to fill (e.g. if you queue'd for Secure and Shatter, you could get "stuck" in a Secure queue and get passed over for Shatter), I wonder if something similar is happening where you're getting "stuck" with unranked/bronze queue's that can't actually fill the party?