FFXIV FOR THE NINTENDO SWITCH

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd rather see it remain for the PS4 and PC only. Think about it - the more consoles/handheld devices FFXIV operates on the longer development will take to get everything ready for content patches.

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Plus...

Nintendo Switch Limitations...

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Originally Posted by Airget

This is the important question. After dropping PS3 SE wouldn't fallback and support a system that is weaker than PS4. However if Nintendo Switch is stronger or as powerful as the PS4 then it's possible.

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I don't think PS4 will be the minimum spec for 4.0. This time it will be the pc, because some people have very old computer less capable then the PS4 and i can't see Square making the specs so high, that many people can't play anymore. In my opinion, the Switch has to be at least as powerful as the unnanounced pc specs are, but not above PS4. The PS3 was another matter, because it was just to old and the amount of RAM for example is just far to low for 2017 imo.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

A better question is whether it's more powerful than nVidia Shield...

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nVidia Shield use K1 processor Nintendo Switch is probably using X1 processor so yes more powerful than nVidia Shield

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Originally Posted by Velhart

It depends if the docking station supports an additional function or processing power. My guess is it could do a game 1080p/60fps on the screen and on portable it goes to 720p/30-40fps. Purely speculation though.

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This thing looks like a very gimmicky dockable PS Vita with a more recent hardware refresh. The controllers look terrible and the docking base looks essentially like it provides TV output and external IO support that the handheld doesn't do itself.

Had Sony created a cradle for the Vita that had HDMI output, this would essentially be a modernized Vita.

Shoehorning FFXIV onto this p.o.s. would in many ways trigger the console limitations arguments again.

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Originally Posted by Anera

nVidia Shield use K1 processor Nintendo Switch is probably using X1 processor so yes more powerful than nVidia Shield

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Not according to the articles I read today that simply said it will use the Tegra in the top of the range Shield. I don't follow nVidia shield or Tegra very closely these days, so you may well be right, I'd have to do some research.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

This thing looks like a very gimmicky dockable PS Vita with a more recent hardware refresh. The controllers look terrible and the docking base looks essentially like it provides TV output and external IO support that the handheld doesn't do itself.

Had Sony created a cradle for the Vita that had HDMI output, this would essentially be a modernized Vita.

Shoehorning FFXIV onto this p.o.s. would in many ways trigger the console limitations arguments again.

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I think the controllers look great, and the home pro controller looks awesome. Granted not original looking, but it looks like a solid controller. The Switch joycons look like they work well enough, especially on the go.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Not according to the articles I read today that simply said it will use the Tegra in the top of the range Shield. I don't follow nVidia shield or Tegra very closely these days, so you may well be right, I'd have to do some research.

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Originally Posted by NVIDIA

Nintendo Switch is powered by the performance of the custom Tegra processor

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it Custom so it can be anything so just have to wait and see...

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Originally Posted by kaptainpancake69

http://pastebin.com/UD1Vx9rf

According to Switch specs.

Capacity of 4 GB
Bandwidth: 25.6 GB/s


PS4 for comparison
Capacity 8 gigs of RAM
176 GB/s

PS4's RAM is SEVEN times faster. This thing is not even in the same league because it's a handheld.

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Nintendo hasn't announced the specs yet. So your link just leads to a rumour based on an unknown source. We will find out about the specs, when we get our hands on. And even then, nobody of us knows if FF14 will run on NS, because only Yoshi and his talented team, know the limitations of their engine, the game, the console and upcoming features they want to add. I think it is pointless to say either "yes, it works" or "no, not at all", like some are doing in this thread.

Switch is weaker than ps4 plus Nintendo crossplay would be an issue

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I think the controllers look great, and the home pro controller looks awesome. Granted not original looking, but it looks like a solid controller. The Switch joycons look like they work well enough, especially on the go.

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The detachable units look horribly small, fine for kids and others with small hands, not so fine for people with larger hands.

The pro controller looks OK, hardly awesome, but then DS4 is hardly awesome despite being one of the better balanced controllers .

That processor doesn't look like it'd be able to handle an MMO. It's not all about the GPU.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

The detachable units look horribly small, fine for kids and others with small hands, not so fine for people with larger hands.

The pro controller looks OK, hardly awesome, but then DS4 is hardly awesome despite being one of the better balanced controllers .

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I had a feeling the joycons would be a split issue with people. It is understandable why some would not like it. I think they are fine, but you can always just bring a two pro controllers along and play that way. Nintendo at least is offering a lot of options on how you want to play with the NS with yourself or friends.

No thanks.

I am surprise they didn't name it Wii Switch; I guess they learned from Wii U

I'm extremely skeptical of a system which purports to benefit mainly from a functionality that others have advertised before, but that I'm not really sure I've ever seen work all that flawlessly.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I am surprise they didn't name it Wii Switch; I guess they learned from Wii U

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Well, they probably didn't like the idea of hordes of their fans chanting Wii Switch! Wii Switch! We Switch....to PS4!...and so say all of us.

Actually, I think that's what people *should* call this thing. Nintendo Switch is such a long name. WeWii Switch just rolls off the tongue more easily.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Well, they probably didn't like the idea of hordes of their fans chanting Wii Switch! Wii Switch! We Switch....to PS4!...and so say all of us.

Actually, I think that's what people *should* call this thing. Nintendo Switch is such a long name. WeWii Switch just rolls off the tongue more easily.

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lol

On that note though, I imagine they are not calling it the Wii Switch due to the consumer base of Nintendo products. There is a large number of consumers who know next to nothing about video games (I'm guessing mom's etc.) who didn't understand that the Wii U was a different system than the Wii.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I had a feeling the joycons would be a split issue with people. It is understandable why some would not like it. I think they are fine, but you can always just bring a two pro controllers along and play that way. Nintendo at least is offering a lot of options on how you want to play with the NS with yourself or friends.

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Yeah, and that's always been a big selling point for Nintendo. They've never really separated themselves from old school fun (e.g. local co-op for 2-4 players). With how much we value convenience today, the ability to alter how you choose to play using the controller is such a great innovative move for a high profile gaming console. I know for a fact that I will be trying to get it on day one and I know for a fact that I will be using the separable controller like this...

http://www.pixelcake.nl/wp-content/u...azy-gamer.jpeg

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

Is the Nintendo Switch more powerful than the PS4?

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No. It is the size of a tablet, so there is likely no active cooling solution. That fact alone gives strong hints to the type of power you're looking at. It will have to be a very low voltage processing core, in order to give it a decent battery life but more importantly to keep heat down.

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Originally Posted by Averax

That processor doesn't look like it'd be able to handle an MMO. It's not all about the GPU.

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CPU specs haven't been provided yet - the only site that is showing the current architecture is the business side of www.gamesindustry.biz which a good bulk of you people don't have access to

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Originally Posted by Krazymagic

No. It is the size of a tablet, so there is likely no active cooling solution. That fact alone gives strong hints to the type of power you're looking at. It will have to be a very low voltage processing core, in order to give it a decent battery life but more importantly to keep heat down.

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It doesn't need one - the architecture is flash memory based and would require next to no cooling

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Originally Posted by Krazymagic

No. It is the size of a tablet, so there is likely no active cooling solution. That fact alone gives strong hints to the type of power you're looking at. It will have to be a very low voltage processing core, in order to give it a decent battery life but more importantly to keep heat down.

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It's running a custom Nvidia Tegra, which makes it a bit of a mystery as to potential output. The Tegra that are in mobile devices now seem to work well, including managing heat levels. I can't say from experience though, just from reviews on products that have it.

The only site that is to be trusted right now in regards to THE SPEC is Nintendo and any other site that works with developers who have their hands on the kits to make or port games =\

Speculate all you want, GI.biz has several developers with switch kits in house saying this kit is on par with the xbox one which would provide more then enough horsepower to run FFXIV and just about anything else on the market

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Yeah, and that's always been a big selling point for Nintendo. They've never really separated themselves from old school fun (e.g. local co-op for 2-4 players). With how much we value convenience today, the ability to alter how you choose to play using the controller is such a great innovative move for a high profile gaming console. I know for a fact that I will be trying to get it on day one and I know for a fact that I will be using the separable controller like this...

http://www.pixelcake.nl/wp-content/u...azy-gamer.jpeg

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Must grow beer belly in preparation for NS.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Must grow beer belly in preparation for NS.

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Just don't go overboard with the belly. As tempting as it might be to be able to feed yourself by inhaling, expanding that belly so it tilts the plate down, it can leave quite a mess.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

The big thing that would need to be looked at over graphics is how good the internet capabilities of the handheld are (naturally it will have them, but are they good enough to support an MMO?). We need to look at the switch as its minimum viable product, which is a handheld, and speculate whether or not it is a viable platform for the game. Then again... the trailer showed off handheld splatoon, so who knows.

Other than that, storage capabilities of a handheld are another big issue, with 4.0 coming out, who knows how big this game will be (probably 30GB+ and rising).

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yeah from the looks of it the "portable" version of the Switch isn't remote play so much as downscale play so this would be the actual "minimum" of the Switch in regards to MMOs, still if they can pull it off id be nice. First time in a while im psyched for a console since it seems unique and not just a weaker PC in a box.

The graphics will be like tablet/mobile phone level graphics considering it has an Nvidia Tegra. It will look decent (1080p), but it definitely will not be as powerful as top-of-the-line desktop PC or gaming laptop.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

lol

On that note though, I imagine they are not calling it the Wii Switch due to the consumer base of Nintendo products. There is a large number of consumers who know next to nothing about video games (I'm guessing mom's etc.) who didn't understand that the Wii U was a different system than the Wii.

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Indeed, and a lot of Moms and others who don't know consoles/games/etc... will buy these for kids/grand-kids thinking they are so cool. It'll be like finding a record player in the box when you expected a CD player.

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Originally Posted by Gumbercules

yeah from the looks of it the "portable" version of the Switch isn't remote play so much as downscale play so this would be the actual "minimum" of the Switch in regards to MMOs, still if they can pull it off id be nice. First time in a while im psyched for a console since it seems unique and not just a weaker PC in a box.

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The trouble is that the Wii Switch is weaker than the thing you describe as a weaker PC in a box. So where does that leave a game that wants to raise the min spec and embrace the DX12 feature set?

I like what the Switch is showcasing so far to be honest, but i do not see it being a MMO friendly platform. Reason it gets my attention to begin with is cuz it doesn't seem to be playing at being a PC. At most the "portable" hardware is going to be aimed at adequate lvls of 720p gaming/hour/frame and the docking station will have the "minimum" needed to beef that up to 1080 p gaming and maybe if lucky 4k streaming (not game related) So I feel it would be counter intuitive to develop ff 14 for it if we consider its portable version as the actual performance cap since as i said i don't see it being remote play, its downscaling. And i say this keeping in mind that imho "CPU" wise ff 14 is very well optimized vs other pc MMOs. (for example ff 14 for me plays tremendously well namely off what it gets from GPU alone vs wow were my cpu can still be an issue)

Also remember this:

"With the announcement that Square Enix is considering a Nintendo NX port of Dragon Quest XI and Dragon Quest X, Yoshida-san also gave some details on the possibility of that consideration to be extended to Final Fantasy XIV."

Having FFXIV be a portable game would be awesome. To be honest, even the D-PAD on the Switch Controller looks awesome to use with FFXIV crossbar system.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

The trouble is that the Wii Switch is weaker than the thing you describe as a weaker PC in a box. So where does that leave a game that wants to raise the min spec and embrace the DX12 feature set?

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Source on the DirectX12 please? Also, the specs posted here are fake, no real specs were released yet. N-Switch will probably be on par with a normal PS4 - slightly better than a XBOX One.

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Originally Posted by lulunami

The graphics will be like tablet/mobile phone level graphics considering it has an Nvidia Tegra. It will look decent (1080p), but it definitely will not be as powerful as top-of-the-line desktop PC or gaming laptop.

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Judging by the NVIDIA article saying the GPU uses the same technology of their latest GPUs, it's a Pascal Tegra, so no one knows what it's capable of yet.

My concern is if this thing has a decently sized hard drive.

My WiiU and NEW3DS both had to be outfitted with really large, and separately purchased from Nintendo, storage for my downloaded games. So even if the cartridges of this thing are basically mini solid state drives, a game the size of FFXIV may well be the only game you can download by 4.0's patch cycle.

That said, it really doesn't look like the Switch will be too weak to run the game, especially with the backend upgrades SE is putting into the servers, if it's truely on par with the XBONE. It won't be much different that laptop/or middle to lower level PC users.

I think the chances are good if Dragon Quest X can get an audience.

They better port to xbox one first it's been a long time coming.

I can hardly see past the UI on my giant monitor, you expect people to play on something that tiny?

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Originally Posted by Norleas

I can hardly see past the UI on my giant monitor, you expect people to play on something that tiny?

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I'm really curious to see your UI, now. Like, how bloated and busy do people make theirs that the UI is what prevents them from being ok with this possible port?

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Originally Posted by dragorian

They better port to xbox one first it's been a long time coming.

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Not sure if you are serious or what, but as far as I know, SE would LOVE to port FF14 to XO, they just do not agree with some of the requirements that Microsoft has established for the game to go there. I'd list some, if I remembered em.

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

It doesn't need one - the architecture is flash memory based and would require next to no cooling

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No, the storage may not need cooling, but the CPU/GPU sure will. Its as he said, they will be incredibly low voltage to not overheat without active cooling.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

No, the storage may not need cooling, but the CPU/GPU sure will. Its as he said, they will be incredibly low voltage to not overheat without active cooling.

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And that *will* restrict performance with the CPU/GPU sandwiched between the screen and battery, there is next to no opportunity for cooling except through heat conducting through the batter, screen and casing. Performance will be clock limited due to this.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

And that *will* restrict performance with the CPU/GPU sandwiched between the screen and battery, there is next to no opportunity for cooling except through heat conducting through the batter, screen and casing. Performance will be clock limited due to this.

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It's a new architecture used, we have ZERO idea of how cooling will work.

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Originally Posted by kaptainpancake69

it's a handheld.

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This alone pretty much dscredit it from ever being taken seriously, handhelds for these type of games are a joke, Those of the type of things you play while on the toilet or miles away from civilization.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

This alone pretty much dscredit it from ever being taken seriously, handhelds for these type of games are a joke, Those of the type of things you play while on the toilet or miles away from civilization.

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And yet 3DS got FF Explorers. Right...