Red Mage = Yda?

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Originally Posted by Toguro

This debate is silly and useless at best and proves there's no hope for this community.


http://i.imgur.com/AIdMw4v.jpg

Compared to:

http://i.imgur.com/qymuG3t.jpg

That ain't Yda. /thread

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PS3 limitations, please understand.

Look at these videos please :
FF VI DS Opening
After Years PSP Opening
In both trailers, you see Yang, probably the most famous Monk of Final Fantasy performing moves very similar to the ones on Stormblood teaser.

So, I think it's Yda, she's just a mon and her tatoos are hidden under the big necklace

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Originally Posted by Toguro

This debate is silly and useless at best and proves there's no hope for this community.
http://i.imgur.com/AIdMw4v.jpg
Compared to:
http://i.imgur.com/qymuG3t.jpg
That ain't Yda. /thread

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She just did a Minfilia on us :p

well we can argue that summoner don't play like this in solo game, we know that they can adapt the gameplay of a class for make it fit in FF14.
but all her way to move is too much different of the monk we know, they way is like fire and water. actually is more earth and water. rough and powerfull strike for the monk and smooth and fluid move for the red lady. i doubt they will work on a skill that will change all the move of the monk. it will recquire way too much work for this.

another point, like said in the video, we have the actual monk, with some new kick and punch and the red lady that move and even dance at the start of the teaser. her movement are dance, not kata nor charge up. people hoping that the rework of the skill (that was explained) will change the move set of the monk ,what is not possible. simply because of the time and manpower they have. don't forget that you have possibly 13+2-3 jobs to work on for the expansion, that way too much for pours soo much energy into a jobs that soo far is fine and work perfectly.

outside a few skill that have little to no use for the monk. yeah haymaker i look at you! we don't need a major overhaul that changing the moveset represent. actually monk is quite good right now. name me what you can add to the job for make it better?
outside chi blast and maybe some new move for offer more variety in the combo... we have no real need to have a huge work on the job.

anyway, my point is we have 2 person sparing together using 2 different fighting style... i don't see them add another school to the monk and offer a whole new moveset only for the monk... or they need to do as much for every jobs of the game. and they clearly don't have the manpower for this.

then we are left with the only option of another jobs. and when you look at her clothing, her way to move and such, you see someone dancing. yes we can argue that dancer in old game don't play like this. but no one have think that maybe the dancer will be like the bard, but in version melee? a buffing jobs in melee that will fight by kicking and maybe use clothing weapon.

in any case, i am the only one that did notice the glove of the monk (man)? it look like battle glove, can we expect more battleglove and less...wtf weapon that make no sense and that most people glamour (emperor fist i love you!)

ps: about the rework of the battlesystem most of it will be change of the shared skill and reassesement of the under used and not used skill. don't expect much.

Not saying this is what happened, but its not entirely impossible. Remember that those of us playing 1.0 were lept forward a few years in time by louisoix when dalamud fell. Again, not saying he knew yda and papylmo or did that, but it's worth mentioning that time travel (alexander also) is possible in the lore.

The trailer showed two monks and someone who looks a lot like Yda (either it is her, or it's a relative imo).

If it's a RDM then I'll be pretty disappointed (I'm very certain it's not a RDM though), since there's hardly anything about her that resembles what a Red Mage is. Dancer is even more likely, despite the fact they are both portrayed as Monks in combat. I'd accept Dancer, but I'm not going to say it's confirmed or hinted until there's more evidence.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

but all her way to move is too much different of the monk we know, they way is like fire and water. actually is more earth and water. rough and powerfull strike for the monk and smooth and fluid move for the red lady. i doubt they will work on a skill that will change all the move of the monk. it will recquire way too much work for this.

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If that woman was a dancer, it would make no sense to have her use Shoudertackle, featherfoot and fists of wind moves. And there are multiples times in the teaser where both use the same move (like the high kick lock they have).

she never do shoulder tackles if you look carefully, plus feather foot was shown as one of the skill that will be changed/replaced for the monk with stormblood and i will not even be surprise that fist of the wind (that are not that often used) to be take out or changed

the teaser by itself don't say a lot, but with the info given to the keynote we can understand that this red lady is not a monk. what she is can be debated but we will have the answer sooner or later.

anyway, we can only look at the fact that the two character have totally different fighting style and like said before! SE don't have the man power for change the style of moveset based on the sex, nor make the monk (that one of the jobs that are the less needing stuff) get a skill that will make the whole monk move change. you have 13+2-3 jobs to work on, it's way too heavy for only one jobs.

finally we only do get 10 new level at best 5 new skill/trait not enough for explain soo many change.

by itself the teaser don't give anything, even if everything scream kung fu and dance more than the actual monk we have that is more a karate fighter. but with what have said yoshida is possible to take a guess.

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Originally Posted by aeoncs

Last time I checked all the FF games I've played that had a Dancer in them, they used dances, magic, daggers/short swords or even staves, not powerful punches or kicks, let alone being able to use Chakra.
She is clearly a monk, with the very, very slight possibility of being a Dancer.

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Last time I checked, in this FF game the Monk doesn't use more flowing moves and definitely doesn't attack with a weighted ribbon/cloth that is part of their outfit (which she clearly does several times).

She could still be a Monk and the fighting was done that way for stylistic reasons, but I think the chance of her being a Dancer instead is significantly higher than "very, very slight."

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

she never do shoulder tackles if you look carefully, plus feather foot was shown as one of the skill that will be changed/replaced for the monk with stormblood and i will not even be surprise that fist of the wind (that are not that often used) to be take out or changed

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That still doesn't justify to show a "new job" using Monk moves. If that was a new job, they would only use moves of that job. Doing otherwise would be stupid.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

the teaser by itself don't say a lot, but with the info given to the keynote we can understand that this red lady is not a monk.

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No we don't, even less so when there are reports coming from the fan fest that officials have confirmed that it was a 2 monks fight. You can belive that the reports are lies or mistakes, but without being there to deny them, it only gives credency to the red woman is monk opinion.

actually it will make a lot of sense, you will have the monk, based on a lot of fist attack and more earth/fire stance. the dancer itself can be more fluid have wind and water stance explaining the opposition.

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Originally Posted by KerenRhys

That still doesn't justify to show a "new job" using Monk moves. If that was a new job, they would only use moves of that job. Doing otherwise would be stupid.

No we don't, even less so when there are reports coming from the fan fest that officials have confirmed that it was a 2 monks fight. You can belive that the reports are lies or mistakes, but without being there to deny them, it only gives credency to the red woman is monk opinion.

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and it don't justify to have a monk with a totally different fighting style! that the whole point, her whole fighting style is the antithese of the monk style! monk is rough and power, when she is fluid and agile. we know that they will never do a different moveset based on sex.... then like said it don't leave a lot of choice

plus and that the most important, they don't want to spoil them announcement.... then they can say whatever they want. when i have see the girl in red and i'm not only one in this case, it didn't scream monk..... it did scream i'm dancing!

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Originally Posted by KerenRhys

If that woman was a dancer, it would make no sense to have her use Shoudertackle, featherfoot and fists of wind moves. And there are multiples times in the teaser where both use the same move (like the high kick lock they have).

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The high kick (I assume you're talking about the one where they both do it at the same time) part, that's actually shows that while they are both kicks done while spinning around, they are of different styles (look at his final pose versus her final pose...different styles often share types of strikes, but the position of the rest of the body can differ quite a bit).

Really watch her fighting style. It has more in common with a Kung Fu style seen in films like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon than it does with the Monk style.

I think proclaiming that she is 100% a Monk right now, without further information or clarification, is simply premature, and conclusions that say she is a Monk are ignoring the aspects of her fighting style that don't match up with how Monks fight.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Last time I checked, in this FF game the Monk doesn't use more flowing moves and definitely doesn't attack with a weighted ribbon/cloth that is part of their outfit (which she clearly does several times).

She could still be a Monk and the fighting was done that way for stylistic reasons, but I think the chance of her being a Dancer instead is significantly higher than "very, very slight."

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Lmao, you're not really comparing CGI to ingame movesets, are you? We're talking about a general fighting style here. But since you brought it up, two can play that game: She uses Shoulder Tackle, Featherfoot, Fists of Wind, Form Shift as well as Meditation / preparing to use Forbidden Chakra. I know that it's easy to take the slightest things as proof when you're excited about something, but she demonstrates way more characteristics of a Monk than a Dancer. A Dancer actually... dances.

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Originally Posted by KerenRhys

No we don't, even less so when there are reports coming from the fan fest that officials have confirmed that it was a 2 monks fight. You can belive that the reports are lies or mistakes, but without being there to deny them, it only gives credency to the red woman is monk opinion.

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Reports that are, as of right now, not substantiated.

I have the pass, I can rewatch the Keynote as often as I like (in fact, I'll go do that and edit in what Koji-Fox said verbatim as he was translating Yoshida). Unless it was said in Japanese and not translated fully, what was said was that much like how the WoL became a Dragoon in Heavensward, the main class for Stormblood will be Monk. That's it. There was no "there was 2 Monks fighting in the trailer" comment in the Keynote, and so far that's the only place I've seen where people claim it was said.

If it was said elsewhere, we have yet to see any proof.

Editing in what was said in the Keynote - "Back for 3.0, in Heavensward, the Warrior of Light, our trailer hero here, his main job was Dragoon. How many people main job Monk? How many Monks do we have in here? [cheering] That's right, our main job, for 4.0, the Monk. All right, we're gonna move on to the next section."

I'm checking the rest of the Keynote to see if there's another mention, but as of right now reports of "confirmed 2 Monks fighting" is hearsay, and sadly reports like that from these events end up being wrong as often as they end up being right, so without a more substantial source it's honestly best to treat reports of that nature with a healthy amount of skepticism.

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Originally Posted by aeoncs

Lmao, you're not really comparing CGI to ingame movesets, are you? We're talking about a general fighting style here. But since you brought it up, two can play that game: She uses Shoulder Tackle, Featherfoot, Feasts of Wind, Form Shift as well as Meditation / preparing to use Forbidden Chakra. I know that it's easy to take the slightest things as proof when you're excited about something, but she demonstrates way more characteristics of a Monk than a Dancer. A Dancer actually... dances.

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one more time, it was show in the keynote that featherfoot will be changed or removed of the monk skillset, for a fair reason, it's under use or not matching the job. it not too far to think that feasts of the wind and haymaker will have the same fate.

since honestly feasts of the wind is barely used and barely have any effect.

it's one of the thing that make me think something fishy is happening. up to you to argue and say is not possible. but it too different of what we know of the monk and i play it for ages now. i even remember the time with simians (gosh we need it back!) the fighting style is too different and like said, using mainly kicking what we don't do as monk!

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Originally Posted by aeoncs

Lmao, you're not really comparing CGI to ingame movesets, are you? We're talking about a general fighting style here. But since you brought it up, two can play that game: She uses Shoulder Tackle, Featherfoot, Feasts of Wind, Form Shift as well as Meditation / preparing to use Forbidden Chakra. I know that it's easy to take the slightest things as proof when you're excited about something, but she demonstrates way more characteristics of a Monk than a Dancer. A Dancer actually... dances.

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Shoulder Tackle uses the shoulder, does it not?


Neither of them use Shoulder Tackle (they both charge and hit with their fist instead). I certainly didn't see the Form Shift animation either. Nor Meditation, which as I recall has an animation where both hands are held out to the side, and the only charge up she does is where she spins around all gracefully...kind of like a Dancer would.

Also, her style is noticeably different and it's easy to see that difference when you have her fighting someone we know is using the Monk style, and she even uses the very obvious weighted ribbon/cloth in several successive attacks early on, which are definitely not a Monk thing. If you think those obvious differences are "the slightest things" then you have a much broader definition for slight than I do.

Ultimately, I'm pointing out these details specifically because they are enough to cast doubt on her being Monk. I'm not saying she is 100% a Dancer, I'm saying she's not 100% a Monk. That's an important distinction, but it seems most of you are content to only consider part of her style in the trailer and then leap to "Oh she's 100% Monk and anyone who says differently is wrong."

I'm just saying she's got a few Monk things going on, but she also has some Dancer-like things going on, so let's wait and see.

Seems like there is some real desperation for dancer in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Qojon

That was my first impression but there's no neck tattoo.

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It's covered by the necklace, and probably on purpose. I think they wanted us to think it was Yda.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

It's covered by the necklace, and probably on purpose. I think they wanted us to think it was Yda.

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On the other hand...spoilers shared from the Lore Book...

Yda is confirmed to have a sister. Family resemblance...possibly even a twin sister?

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Originally Posted by Aillith

Seems like there is some real desperation for dancer in this thread.

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Desperation? Or just recognizing that what we saw wasn't 100% Monk, so there's room for doubt either way?

Honestly, seems there's just as much desperation to say she's 100% a Monk as there is to say she's 100% a Dancer, despite evidence pointing in both directions.

It could still be Yda. Could even be a simple mistake or an intentional one as to not give it away just yet. In the Heavensward trailer the WoL is fighting hraesvelgr instead of nidhogg.

there seem to be collar or necklace where the tattoo would be

a theory of what going on aka possible spoilers

garlean is pawn to ascion
as is those seek to bring an resistances to garlean

the white ascion is the voice of zorak

he seem determined to not fight at all like the voice of the mother. he like move people as if they his pawns pieces

Yda was a students when garlean invade such place she won't involve in the battle.

1) We know monks originate from Ala Mhigo, the Fists of Rhalgr.

2) We know there is more than one school of monk thanks to the 50-60 questline.

3) Occam's Razor, the simplest answer with the least assumptions being most often the right one, would suggest it is a monk who follows a different school of combat.

Whether this could be titled dancer or not...who knows? But if Dancer isn't a job expansion of Monk but instead a new job, my problem then becomes the classes are very similar, almost to the point both lose their identity.

The woman in red isn't Yda. But most likely a relative to her. The woman in red doesn't have the neck tattoos, has a much larger bust, and much longer hair than Yda. Unless Yda can magically grow a pair of knockers, grow her hair out and erase tattoos.
Besides, the lore book kinda spoiled that part.

And to those saying that the necklace can hide the tattoos, even if said necklace is too thin to hide it... (Seems like they forgot to add the necklace during a certain part of the cgi)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...fu/trailer.jpg

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Originally Posted by Kaelah

Or could it be a flashback? No tattoo would make sense then?

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Why would she be fighting the Warrior of Light in a flash back?

Yda has a sister, it's probably her.

Idk if it's YDA but the warrior of light does have a timeskip. His hair is noticeably different and has some noticable stubble.
Yda could have grown out her hair (or shes experiencing the pains of hair clipping!) but it does seem like a stretch, esp her boobs are bigger. Though she could be wearing a corset? IDK
http://67.media.tumblr.com/af66b6b88...h07o1_1280.png


I think it might be a sister or some type of family. But if it's Yda then cheers cause she was my favorite scion with her bubbly personality lol

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

it's yda, but i doubt she is monk or red mage

all her move set don't match the monk style, more a dancer like. in the CG her movement are fluid and smooth, when monk in game are more about hard hitting attack than smooth movement. plus she have tons of kick, when monk (the midlander) is mostly fist. (fist of rahgr after all) she too use some attack with her clothes that look like dancer move.

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Some of her movements do match up as far as stances go; Fists of Fire/Earth/Wind. Whilst they're not a complete match up, it's also just as equally a stretch to assume that this translates into Dancer confirmed.

why is this character consider a red mage it look like she a monk to me above her look like ther monstary for the monks

in Stormblood the focus is on the monk

see we never seen Yda really face mind you and it give to much alway for tattoo to be there

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

why is this character consider a red mage it look like she a monk to me above her look like ther monstary for the monks

in Stormblood the focus is on the monk

see we never seen Yda really face mind you and it give to much alway for tattoo to be there

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Apparently if you are wearing all red that means you are a red mage.. So if the guy was in all blue, people would be saying hes a blue mage. So there you go.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

In another of these fan fest threads, they say something along the lines of "YoshiP says we'll meet her in 3.5" .. that alone tells us its not Yda, as we've already met Yda.

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My guess is that since the Griffin recognized Yda, he sends word back to the Resistance in Ala Mhigo. Her sister then comes looking for her.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Apparently if you are wearing all red that means you are a red mage.. So if the guy was in all blue, people would be saying hes a blue mage. So there you go.

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that doesn't make sense if your wear all red you red mage. look how they fighting that look how two monks would fight.

if there having rapiers then that make sense that they red mages


red mages= rapiers and some magic spells

be rash isn't wise doesn't assume that this lady is red mage in end it may make you look bad

i have stream ticket i saw the presentation yesatday that lady in video is monk she is one character we come in contact with. each expansion is focus on different character first in heavenward we focus on dragoon now we focus on the monk

I feel it's pretty safe to assume that's Yda but she's a monk/pugilist, not a red mage. Some people are saying that there's no tattoo so it can't be her but it could very easily just be hidden under the necklace or it could be a decision by the devs. After the stuff with Nanamo from 2.5-3.0, I'd be willing to accept that tattoo removal is a thing in Eorzea lmao.

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Originally Posted by Anera

from what everyone saying just going with the flow or she is dancer?

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This has come up in our FC Discord. The theory I've come to from it is RDM will be treated like Bard, merging two old classes into one, in Bard's case, Ranger & Bard.

The thought comes from the similarities between the woman's dress and that of the Red Mage from Bravely Default, as well as her cloth weapon.

IE: Red Mage+Dancer=FFXIV RDM
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...dearedmage.jpg

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Desperation? Or just recognizing that what we saw wasn't 100% Monk, so there's room for doubt either way?

Honestly, seems there's just as much desperation to say she's 100% a Monk as there is to say she's 100% a Dancer, despite evidence pointing in both directions.

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Yeah, it could go either way, though, no matter how many times I re-watch it, I still see a Dancer doing dancer like stuff ( along with monk like moves and even cloth/dagger like moves) She does clearly use Her fabric as a weapon, and the animation is of a slash ( not blunt).

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Originally Posted by Radacci

really, it's been quite some time since before, why would he never change appearance? every scion does, every major patch.
derplander is in every CG clip.

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He turned from midlander to Highlander :^)

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Originally Posted by Mrhappy1227

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IRO6C-v4l8

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So much misinformation.. oi..

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

So much misinformation.. oi..

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it Call Speculation that why we here to talk about it

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

1) We know monks originate from Ala Mhigo, the Fists of Rhalgr.

2) We know there is more than one school of monk thanks to the 50-60 questline.

3) Occam's Razor, the simplest answer with the least assumptions being most often the right one, would suggest it is a monk who follows a different school of combat.

Whether this could be titled dancer or not...who knows? But if Dancer isn't a job expansion of Monk but instead a new job, my problem then becomes the classes are very similar, almost to the point both lose their identity.

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Ninjutsu is also a type of martial art, and yet it has a very distinct identity from Monk. There's no reason Dancer couldn't be the same.

Your point number 1 also made me think of another angle that could support Dancer... Ala Mihgo is an occupied nation now, and very likely the Garleans frown on the practice of warfare outside of the regimens they submit their conscripts to. Much like capoeira, Dancer could have evolved from traditional Ala Mihgan martial arts as a way to continue to train while passing off the movements as simple dancing.

In spite of all this, my personal belief is that she IS meant to be a straight-up Monk, and as much as I wish it were so, Dancer is probably not in the cards. I'll be happy to be proven wrong!

I agree with others in this thread that she is also very likely Yda's sister, rather than Yda herself.

How would you all feel if they made Dancer a second Pugilist soulstone? I know they said they wouldn't do this because SMN/SCH was such a pain, but if both are still DPS and it's more of a style shift than a fully new job, I would be all about that. People have been asking for talents or the like, this could be a way to test the waters for that sort of thing.

Of course, that said I can already hear the complaining if they did that - why does MNK get preference, why aren't they spending time on new jobs, etc. So it seems unlikely, but I'd be all for it (and this coming from someone who plays MNK very rarely).