Lore Book Revelations

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Originally Posted by myahele

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They mentioned Xaela and Raen specifically, but what of the much much older Au Ra clan mentioned by Oda last year? Though I suppose "lore-wise" they are hidden and not known for the time being since the book is based off of npc knowledge.

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Is it just me or does that sound suspiciously like Zodiark vs Haedalyn, filtered through about 10,000 years of garbled historical record?

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Originally Posted by myahele

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They mentioned Xaela and Raen specifically, but what of the much much older Au Ra clan mentioned by Oda last year? Though I suppose "lore-wise" they are hidden and not known for the time being since the book is based off of npc knowledge.

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So the two clans get along? That's.... interesting.

Heavens Ward lore:
http://pettankoprincess.tumblr.com/p...sward-bio-lore

Duskwights:

http://66.media.tumblr.com/6791a387c...gddo1_1280.jpg

Interesting that Duskwights use Pomanders potent enough to ward off Elementals and that they excel at making it. Not sure what that means or the relationship with the Pomanders found in PotD. Probably one of the many things they kept from the time of Gelmorra

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Originally Posted by Writer

Yda and Minfilia are highlanders, not midlanders!

http://folkenface.tumblr.com/post/15...-the-lore-book

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People have jokingly said that she might be half (her mother) highlander due to her large breast. I guess genetics is genetics, her father was midlander, at least.

Yda and Minfilia are highlanders, not midlanders!

http://folkenface.tumblr.com/post/15...-the-lore-book

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Originally Posted by Writer

Yda and Minfilia are highlanders, not midlanders!

http://folkenface.tumblr.com/post/15...-the-lore-book

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Well that was really obvious on Minfillia's part given she was from Ala Mhigo..

.and it seems to be more evidence that Yda is also from Ala Mhigo as well (and is the woman in the trailer fighting the Warrior/Dragoon/Monk of Light)

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Originally Posted by Writer

Yda and Minfilia are highlanders, not midlanders!

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Of course they are! Both are daughters of Ala Mhigan refugees, and besides, have you seen Minfilia's boo-

Err... there just weren't female Highlander models in 1.x, so they had to use Midlander models as a result. Seems logical.

Hold on, according to race naming guidelines Keeper surnames are very old ("some of these surnames have survived since the First Astral Era."), so presumably they've been passed from generation to generation...yet the naming convention presented in the lore book is...different (what we know as the first name is actually a matronymic, and the 'surname'/second name is the given name)? :O Unless I misunderstood?

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Originally Posted by Gilded

Hold on, according to race naming guidelines Keeper surnames are very old ("some of these surnames have survived since the First Astral Era."), so presumably they've been passed from generation to generation...yet the naming convention presented in the lore book is...different (what we know as the first name is actually a matronymic, and the 'surname'/second name is the given name)? :O Unless I misunderstood?

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Someone in my guild just informed me my name is backwards. Apparently Ayuh'ra Tayuun is no longer "Ayuh'ra of Clan Tayuun, fifth son of Ayuh" it's "Tayuun, Fifth Son of Ayuh". Which changes my character's name. I don't RP but if I did my brain would be melting about now.

Hhmm the Keeper naming conventions in the book are different than in the forum post. I wonder if this is one of the mistakes that Koji was talking about that they did not catch in the English version before it went to print?

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Someone in my guild just informed me my name is backwards. Apparently Ayuh'ra Tayuun is no longer "Ayuh'ra of Clan Tayuun, fifth son of Ayuh" it's "Tayuun, Fifth Son of Ayuh". Which changes my character's name. I don't RP but if I did my brain would be melting about now.

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I started the game as a female Keeper miqo'te (and might fantasia back into one, lol), and I thought that the surnames are passed down from mother to daughter, females having individual first names. Males get their mother's names wholesale, just with the appropriate suffix. Going by lore book now, my character's mother was named "Shial" and her given name is actually "Izha"...

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Originally Posted by Writer

Yda and Minfilia are highlanders, not midlanders!

http://folkenface.tumblr.com/post/15...-the-lore-book

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I was right YES!!!!!

I think it is a mistake since it opposes both the naming conventions given on this forum and what we see ingame. For example the sisters in the delivery moogle quest both have the same surname of Lihzeh but different individual names while explicitly having the same mother. Also the forum conventions fit what we see in general about Keeper names: certain surnames are common (Aliapoh, Epocan) while I don't recall any NPC having the same surname.
This happens all the time with lorebooks. Usually they correct them with a post or something similar detailing all the mistakes and what is actually true. Let's hope this is the case here.

Finnaly someone posted this

http://pettankoprincess.tumblr.com/p.../lalafell-lore

Now to wait on the Eso weapons

Seems like a fairly small, simple mistake in regards to Keeper names. Might have been a result of them rushing to translate into Japanese for that release too, given that Japanese names are natively written Last Name - First Name?

Would it be alright if I made a separate thread for discussion of the origins of the Spoken races, their clans and their evolution?

Also I'd advise keeping an eye of a tumblr blogger named petankkoprincess, they seem to have other scans on the book including Meracidya, The Warriors of Darkness, The High Houses, and Roegadyns as wellas the Heaven's Ward and Lalafell scans previously linked

So yes, a "Dark" flavored void is what we see in the World of Darkness - darkness, a twisted melding and remelding of all aether time and again into a singularity, inhabited by undying, twisted beings that are outside the cycle of life and death.

A "Light" flavored void is an absence of any and all aether as well, but there is nothing left in its wake. No aether, no life, no undying beings, nothing.

I sure hope somebody picks up that phone.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

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Wh.. what... Nael is officially a woman... what is this.. I don't even...

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Yes, the localization team messed up.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

So yes, a "Dark" flavored void is what we see in the World of Darkness - darkness, a twisted melding and remelding of all aether time and again into a singularity, inhabited by undying, twisted beings that are outside the cycle of life and death.

A "Light" flavored void is an absence of any and all aether as well, but there is nothing left in its wake. No aether, no life, no undying beings, nothing.

I sure hope somebody picks up that phone.

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Well, I mean, light is perfection - clean and sterile. Darkness is inperfection - chaotic and messy. So, of course, that's how it would be.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

Yes, the localization team messed up.

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It's not so much that they messed up as the Japanese version was deliberately ambiguous. My knowledge of Japanese is nowhere near extensive, but I do know it does not have strict gendered pronouns. There are Japanese pronouns that it's unusual for members of a certain sex to use, but there isn't a strict dichotomy like in English (ironically enough, English is one of the most gender-neutral languages in the world, but I digress). Nael was mistranslated as a male because that was how "he" was written in Japanese... only for there to be a surprise when she is unmasked. Since the English version had to use strict "he" back in 1.x, they had to come up with a reason for why Nael is female in the Binding Coil.

... which really doesn't account for why the lyrics to "Rise of the White Raven" mention Nael being male, or why they didn't just do something like with the lore book and explain that she impersonated her dead brother and took his place as legatus. It's a case of the right hand not talking to the left, and I'm pretty sure they've gotten a lot better about it (I read somewhere they write the scripts almost simultaneously now to avoid those kinds of issues), but I digress.

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Originally Posted by Writer

Well, I mean, light is perfection - clean and sterile. Darkness is inperfection - chaotic and messy. So, of course, that's how it would be.

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Tell that to the people who kept asking "What would a voidsent from a Light-drowned world be like?"

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Originally Posted by Cilia

So yes, a "Dark" flavored void is what we see in the World of Darkness - darkness, a twisted melding and remelding of all aether time and again into a singularity, inhabited by undying, twisted beings that are outside the cycle of life and death.

A "Light" flavored void is an absence of any and all aether as well, but there is nothing left in its wake. No aether, no life, no undying beings, nothing.

I sure hope somebody picks up that phone.

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Except that it would have its own voidsent. The whole reason the Warriors of Darkness came to our world to cause a rejoining of theirs was that it would leave their people in a state of unlife/undeath. They'd be twisted into light-oriented voidsent.

If Dark Voidsent are attributed to being demons... Would Light Voidsent be angelic?

So Arbert personally executed his fellow WoL in order to for them to travel into the Source world.

Lamimi (Devout of Darkness) has feelings for Arbert what with the whole "she does not allow her lustful thoughts of Arbert's loins cloud her sense of duty" in her bio. Now I can never see her the same way again.

Nice to know more about the WoDs

So Bahamut grew weaker as Voidsent (sent by CoD) possessed bodies and fought him to the point where the crystals that fueled him dwindled. A war of attrition, it seems since Allagan had a near infinite supply of Voidsent and machina

Livia earned a reputation for putting down Dalmascan insurgents when they rebelled

Full names of the Scions: Minfilia Warde (fake name), Y'shtola Rhul, Thancred Waters, Papalymo Totolymo.

So it was Louisoix efforts that allowed some Ala Mhigan refugees into Sharlayan colony and one of them happens to be Yda. After telling Papalymo how she wanted to liberate Ala Mhigo she was then inducted into the Circle of Knowing ... really?

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Originally Posted by myahele

So Arbert personally executed his fellow WoL in order to for them to travel into the Source world.

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Geez, no wonder he had the serious chip on his shoulder that he did. An unending quest to save the world that seems to just be headed for failure is one thing. Having to personally kill your closest friends as part of the process is just cruel. Poor guy. I'd just figured they'd all committed suicide...

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Lamimi (Devout of Darkness) has feelings for Arbert what with the whole "she does not allow her lustful thoughts of Arbert's loins cloud her sense of duty" in her bio. Now I can never see her the same way again.

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Seriously? And here I just thought my pairing-obsessed mind was playing tricks on me as it's wont to do during her, what, one line? Well I feel vaguely vindicated.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Livia earned a reputation for putting down Dalmascan insurgents when they rebelled

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Dalmascan? I think you mean Ala Mhigan. XD

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Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

Dalmascan? I think you mean Ala Mhigan. XD

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Probably actually Dalmascan. There are hints that there are places in Garlean held territory that have the names of places from FF12. That said, its a reference, not the actual same place.

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Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

Dalmascan? I think you mean Ala Mhigan. XD

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There is a Dalmasca in FFXIV, hinted at being in Othard. I'm guessing that tidbit is from the lore book.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

Except that it would have its own voidsent. The whole reason the Warriors of Darkness came to our world to cause a rejoining of theirs was that it would leave their people in a state of unlife/undeath. They'd be twisted into light-oriented voidsent.

If Dark Voidsent are attributed to being demons... Would Light Voidsent be angelic?

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Very likely they would... but not in the way we think of angels today. They would probably resemble the descriptions of biblical angels, the ones who often declared that we shouldn't fear them. They'd certainly be called "demons" by some, after all, would you be okay with something like this?

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Originally Posted by myahele

Duskwights:

http://66.media.tumblr.com/6791a387c...gddo1_1280.jpg

Interesting that Duskwights use Pomanders potent enough to ward off Elementals and that they excel at making it. Not sure what that means or the relationship with the Pomanders found in PotD. Probably one of the many things they kept from the time of Gelmorra

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Thanks for sharing this. :D
I was disappointed we didn't get much in the way of Duskwight lore in game when PotD was released.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

Except that it would have its own voidsent. The whole reason the Warriors of Darkness came to our world to cause a rejoining of theirs was that it would leave their people in a state of unlife/undeath. They'd be twisted into light-oriented voidsent.

If Dark Voidsent are attributed to being demons... Would Light Voidsent be angelic?

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I kinda saw that as something more akin to a state of limbo. Its hard to describe but I think the people form the First has their egos eroded, rendered incapable of thought and trapped in a state of non-existance due to the lat of matter to become their bodies as well as a lack of aether to sustain their souls. A sort of anti-life that would be reversed when Minfilia got the First. It was a reverse state of affairs for the physical plain but I don't think it would be the case for the metaphysical plane

On a different note, the Ascians are down 4 memebers, Mitron (killed by Arbert and his band), Lahabrea (Killed by Thordian), Nabriales and Igeyohrm (killed by us). That means a third of them were vanquished already. Seems more likely they are gonna try to play it safe for bit.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Full names of the Scions: Minfilia Warde (fake name), Y'shtola Rhul, Thancred Waters, Papalymo Totolymo.

So it was Louisoix efforts that allowed some Ala Mhigan refugees into Sharlayan colony and one of them happens to be Yda. After telling Papalymo how she wanted to liberate Ala Mhigo she was then inducted into the Circle of Knowing ... really?

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Wait, where are these parts? Oh damn I really need that book. Anyone need an english-hungarian translator? I need to purchase some expensive stuff.

Any roegadyn lore to share? Anything? We're like the most obscure race in the game after au ra....

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Originally Posted by Cilia

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While i can offer specifics, i can say that pronouns in Japanese are rarely used and when they are they show more of the characters personality more than their sex. My guess would be she used the term Ore for herself, which while traditionally male denotes a sense of power, aligning with Nael/Eula personality.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

While i can offer specifics, i can say that pronouns in Japanese are rarely used and when they are they show more of the characters personality more than their sex. My guess would be she used the term Ore for herself, which while traditionally male denotes a sense of power, aligning with Nael/Eula personality.

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And she mostly likely wanted everyone to think she is a he cause Nael was a guy and her taking up the armor was a secret.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Any roegadyn lore to share? Anything? We're like the most obscure race in the game after au ra....

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sea wolves

http://66.media.tumblr.com/ec15c54d1...gddo1_1280.jpg

hells guard

http://66.media.tumblr.com/a51893351...gddo2_1280.jpg

So CoD is a self proclaimed "Ruler" of the Void, while this is probably her belief, it at least show how strong she thinks she is compared to the Kings and Queens. Afterall, she is the Cloud of Darkness made manifest.

Thank you so much! I'll get the limsa lominsa lore when I get the book.

Interesting hellsguard information there...so like the lalafels we're some of the best mages in eorzea...
Firewalking? Is that how they also get the nose marking? Until we get official word I will declare that's how they get the nose marking. I'm guessing evolution kept the marking there even when they moved out of Abalathia.

Besides that a lot of it was stuff that we already know


But for seawolf they went into a lot of detail like how they grow really tall for male and female (sorry au ra :p if you want a tall female fantasia to roegadyn already).
They mention roegadyn hair is hard but that's probably only for males.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

Except that it would have its own voidsent. The whole reason the Warriors of Darkness came to our world to cause a rejoining of theirs was that it would leave their people in a state of unlife/undeath. They'd be twisted into light-oriented voidsent.

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What we've been told, and what I've seen detailed in the lore book (I don't have my own), a Flood of Light does not twist as a Flood of Darkness does. It erases. All aether is drained, leaving nothingness in its wake. Not a twisted, compressed singularity sparsely inhabited by deathless beings as the Flood of Darkness does. Nothingness. The voidsent we're familiar with are deathless because they're foreign to our lifestream and they have none of their own, but in order to exist they must still have some aether (it's the basic building block of all matter in XIV and we do fight voidsent on their home turf in the World of Darkness). There is no aether in a "Light" void, meaning nothing can exist in it, and it erases everything it touches.

The Warriors of Darkness' goal was to force a rejoining, letting what little remained of the First be reintegrated with the Source so its people could live on in a manner of speaking. The book doesn't imply "Arbert" killed the other Warriors of Darkness, but that he killed his friends and family to ensure they would be metaphorically reborn once the rejoining went through instead of being erased altogether.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

While i can offer specifics, i can say that pronouns in Japanese are rarely used and when they are they show more of the characters personality more than their sex. My guess would be she used the term Ore for herself, which while traditionally male denotes a sense of power, aligning with Nael/Eula personality.

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That was my guess as well, but thanks to the lack of voice work in 1.x and how English has strict gendered pronouns, they mistranslated to keep it a surprise or just weren't told. Prounouns are used plenty, but rather than strictly defining someone as male or female they denote how one thinks of oneself and the people one is addressing. "Nael" referring to herself as "ore" makes perfect sense because she wanted to impersonate her dead brother and assume authority, and "ore" is just about the most masculine pronoun there is in Japanese.

The question is "Why did they come up with the gender bender angle for Nael in the Coil in EN?" instead of just saying everyone mistook her for a male thanks to the armor. That's the part that really confuses me.

... but this is just me trying to sound smarter than I actually am, and a major digression from the topic at hand...

From what I gathered, For most of the races, one of the clans came about from Darwinian evolution, adapting to their environment to become a different subspecies of their respective race

For the Lalafell, its the Dunesfolk, that much is obvious. Their mutation involve more cglossy eyes, and elimination of green hair as a gene (maybe). Of couse if certain Fishing logs are to belives then Lalafell as a whole might be synthetic chimeric beings akin to the Ixal. (thought probably much more accidental)

For the Elezen its the Duskwrights. Also obvious from what we learned of them so far. Interestingly both the Dusnesfolk and the Duskwights appeared after the War of the Magi. Their mutation involve a much darker skin and more silver hair

If we work under the eldence that Elezens are the only native species in Eorzea, (which has evedence aganst them from Allag via their citizens and possibler accedental creation of the Lalafell) then we cna assume that Hellguard mutated fromt eh Sea Wolves, which allowed them to adapt to Albathia.

With that said the Au Ra and Miquo'te seem to be far more ambiguous, especially since both of them have Solar and Lunar themes with their clans, thus I think its possible that they evolves simultaneously from common ancestors that are likely extinct (Unlike the former three races where the the original clan exists simultaneously with their later cousins). I also don;t know which of the Hyur clans came first

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

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Can i ask what fishing logs... if I'm a mutant i hope i het ice powers, XD

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Can i ask what fishing logs... if I'm a mutant i hope i het ice powers, XD

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http://en.ff14angler.com/?spot=0&fis...t=0&cmd=search

http://en.ff14angler.com/?spot=0&fis...t=0&cmd=search

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

Yes, the localization team messed up.

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No, it goes even beyond that - the confusion about the gender of Nael is in the original Japanese too. The White Raven lyrics were commissioned as if Nael was a guy, the role was written for a dude and the confusion of Alisaie is in all versions of the script, because the art team always intended for Nael to be a woman and for the ARR content to contain a big unmasking event... one that the writing team didn't get wind of until Nael's T9 model was done.

It was a breakdown of communication and it's a multi-pronged mistake, and assigning blame to just one section of Development 5 isn't fair in this case.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Would it be alright if I made a separate thread for discussion of the origins of the Spoken races, their clans and their evolution?

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I would be down because a number of my private theories got proven right (all Dunesfolk are Mhachi! Nym was originally majority-Plainsfolk and some of them eventually came back to Limsa!) and attentive reading more or less stops exactly short of spelling out the origins of the Au Ra.