Heavensword 4* Crafting Rotation and Macro

Yes Ingenuity I and II never quiet work in the simulator correctly (the exact calculation SE uses for these is still a mystery). So it has to be checked by hand to see what the progress looks like. The simulator editors will usually try to patch this at some point, but its one of those things that is a headache.

On another note...I have an alt character that I do leatherworker specialization on and she just has ingenuity 1, and I really don't notice much difference from my main with ingenuity 2. I mean, it's obviously less, but not so much so that I have to use rapid synth an extra time. Ingenuity 2 really is pretty meh it seems. These skills are quite strange.

I'm about to meld my remaining couple of pieces of gear before starting 4* crafts, and I just wanted confirmation that the OP rotation works with exactly 1023 craftsmanship, whenever I sim it I'm short 3 progress, so I'd preferably like confirmation from someone who has succeeded in game with exactly 1023 before I round out my gear and lock in my stats. Thanks in advance!

Hi Tenks, For the MuMe PbP macro 1022 craftsmanship is required otherwise the synth will fail. For the MaMa PbP macro 995 craftsmanship is technically enough. If you have 995 craftsmanship you'll need 13 out of 16 Flawless Synthesis. With 1023 craftsmanship you'll need 12 out of 16 Flawless Synthesis.

Because of these requirements I advise folks to get at least 995 craftsmanship and use Onion soup. You can use other foods, just be aware of how that changes the availability of which approach you can do and if you'll want more craftsmanship melds to hit a given requirement.

i am terrible at making these macros work. i don't have the money to keep failing on these. if i have those requirements should i be making 4 star 100% HQ?

The more HQ materials you use, the better your odds will be. That said - until you're comfortable making things by hand, DON'T MACRO THEM!

I personally do not have much more than the minimum Craftsmanship and Control, but I am maxed out on base CP (430) and I use HQ Seafood Stew for the CP. With luck on the Hasty Touches I have gotten 100% on 4 star materials from entirely NQ raw materials. More often though, I wind up between 80% and 91%. Most of those come out HQ, and I simply pick between the HQ and NQ materials for the final products to get me a decent starting Quality. As long as you have the CP, and the cross class moves, you should be doing well enough too.

As Roth/Hammer said The more HQ the better your odds will be. For around 5,500 starting quality your odds are probably 97-99% with the macro. But as Roth has said its best to be comfortable making something by hand so you really understand what is going on and how things work.

Here's a Macro I put together. It works on my Goldsmith with 995 Crafting and 957 Control (without food) with 430 base CP (You will need to use Seafood Stew). Also it assumes you start with at least 3000 Quality. I believe you can miss up to 6 Flawless and still have it work. The last Careful Synthesis II isn't really needed, but I threw it in there in case disaster strikes with Flawless Synthesis.

Maker's Mark
Comfort Zone
Steady Hand
Piece by Piece
Piece by Piece
Piece by Piece
Flawless Synthesis x6
Comfort Zone
Flawless Synthesis x8
Inner Quiet
Comfort Zone
Steady Hand II
Waste Not II
Hasty Touch x4
Steady Hand II
Hasty Touch x3
Master's Mend II
Hasty Touch
Steady Hand II
Hasty Touch
Hasty Touch
Basic Touch
Great Strides
Byregot's Blessing
Careful Synthesis II
Careful Synthesis II

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Originally Posted by uberrod9

Here's a Macro I put together. It works on my Goldsmith with 995 Crafting and 957 Control (without food) with 430 base CP (You will need to use Seafood Stew). Also it assumes you start with at least 3000 Quality. I believe you can miss up to 6 Flawless and still have it work. The last Careful Synthesis II isn't really needed, but I threw it in there in case disaster strikes with Flawless Synthesis.

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In your macro, there are only 9 steps between the 2nd and 3rd Comfort Zone. Thus, 8 CP is wasted. Your macro requires 478 CP, which is quite a lot. I understand you have 430 base CP, which means you have 480 CP after eating Seafood Stew. But personally, I am still using a few pieces of my old i170 accessories, so I don't have 480 CP... I have only 475 CP. I took your macro and did a little re-arrangement, and I found I could do exactly the same rotation with 470 CP just by moving a CS II up as a "filler step". The remaining steps are also slightly re-arranged, but are the same in general.
http://oi63.tinypic.com/2vu0f11.jpg

That Innovative Touch at the end is very well placed;

for those interested in just how strong it is:

IQ= 20% of base control per bonus stack (not to include the first... so a x11 IQ is a bonus of 10)
BB= 100% + 20% per bonus of IQ (ex: x11 IQ = 10 bonus [10*20%=200%])
IT= 50% of BASE control for the next 3 steps
ING2= about 17% quality buff on 4 star
GS= Doubles the next Touch [AND IT's actually applied after all your other buffs are calculated]

Final touch= GS*( [ING2+BB]*(baseControl+ bonus_IQs*baseControl+IT*baseControl) ).

so if you pull out the effective IT (Innovative Touch) u got GS*(ING2+BB)*IT*baseControl;

Assume you only got x5 IQ .... :P ; (thats a bonus of 4)


2*(.17+1+.2*4)*0.5*baseControl=
1.97*baseControl > 1.5*baseControl [which is the bonus of using IT on 3 Hasty Touches]


Moral of the story: if your IQ is =>3 (2 or more bonuses ) you're better off using innovation/Innovative Touch at the end of your rotation.

Personally, I prefer to use Muscle Memory instead of Maker's Mark when I do macros. This is because of 2 reasons. (1) The whole string is Flawless Syn is just too slow, Muscle Memory is a lot faster. Yes, MuMe is weaker, mostly because it sacrifices 10 durab. But the speed is worth it. (2) Sometimes, when you upgrade your whole set of gear entirely, and your craftsmanship increases by a lot, there's such a thing as "too many successful Flawless Syn", which may lead to a pre-mature completion if CS II's are used as "filler steps". In contrast, MuMe rarely has this problem.

The macro listed above has 43 steps, which means you will need a 3-part macro.

Below, I have generated a 2-part macro that requires only 472 CP. It has 1 fewer touch than the macros above, so it's less powerful for sure, but it's a hell lot faster with also a lower CP cost. In addition, I have included a Byregot's Brow there as well.

By fitting a Byregot's Brow before Ingen2 with wait time, it will automatically execute Byregot's Brow under "Good" or "Excellent" conditions. Thus, this avoids an "Excellent" falling onto the Ingen2 step, which leaves "Poor" for the Byregot's Blessing. Ingen2 gives very little boost comparing to a "Good" on a Brow. So even if it wasn't an "Excellent", but just a "Good", the Brow will still be very strong. Notice that Brow only has a 70% success rate comparing to Blessing which has 90%. Hence, SH II is necessary. Luckily, under the arrangement here, SH II had already been used earlier, ensuring that the Brow is 100%. So no extra CP is needed. If Brow is executed, IQ stack = 0, and Blessing will not be executed. Since there's a wait time after Brow, Ingen2 will still be executed, providing the necessary boost on progress before the CS IIs.

This 2-part macro does require 1024 craftsmanship though!

Caimie's Macro Name:
HW 4* - P1 - 472CP

/ac "Muscle Memory" <wait.4>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not II" <wait.2>
/ac "Piece by piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/echo HW 4 * part 1 ends... MEOW :3 <se.2>

Caimie's Macro name:
HW 4* - P1 - 472CP

/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.4>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Master's Mend II" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Brow" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.4>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"

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Originally Posted by javid

Moral of the story: if your IQ is =>3 (2 or more bonuses ) you're better off using innovation/Innovative Touch at the end of your rotation.

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I agree with you that Innovation is very, very strong... But I just cannot fit it anywhere in my 2-part macro above. CP cost is an issue.

As for the 3-part macro above, Innovation still cannot be fitted in there because of the limitation of SH II steps.

In the 3-part macro, one can swap out the 2nd last touch with an Innovative Touch, which will significantly increase the quality gain from the last touch and the Blessing. But it's a big big gamble, as Innovative Touch only has a 40% success rate, and only 70% even under SH II. Furthermore, Innovative Touch is only available for Specialist Classes, which means a macro with Innovative Touch cannot be used by all 8 classes.

I think Innovative Touch is a great skill for gambling when someone is manual crafting, and having too many hasty failure. Then it's a good way to "come back".

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

I agree with you that Innovation is very, very strong... But I just cannot fit it anywhere in my 2-part macro above. CP cost is an issue.

As for the 3-part macro above, Innovation still cannot be fitted in there because of the limitation of SH II steps.

I think Innovative Touch is a great skill for gambling when someone is manual crafting, and having too many hasty failure. Then it's a good way to "come back".

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The Innv touch is for the OP macro that includes MuMe; like someone already said doing the flawless syn route is extremely long......and only perk is a guaranteed Basic touch :P--that's not worth 18 more steps PER SYNTH

Interesting. However, in most cases, the filler Careful Synthesis II would actually finish the recipe too early. Now if I had 4-6 Flawless failures, it would work, that is not too common.

Granted it is faster, but none of my crafters have 1024 Craftmanship. I was looking for something that I could use on the lowest of my crafters. The Maker's Mark works, even though it is a 3 part Macro, and is really slow. It is more reliable than the Rapid Synthesis model I was using before.

Also Innovative Touch only works if that class is a specialist. The classes I was using are not my specialists, so it had to be left out. Working for the lowest common denominator can be a harsh mistress.

[QUOTE=Caimie_Tsukino;4115414]Personally, I prefer to use Muscle Memory instead of Maker's Mark when I do macros. This is because of 2 reasons. (1) The whole string is Flawless Syn is just too slow, Muscle Memory is a lot faster. Y

This 2-part macro does require 1024 craftsmanship though!

The macro don't work, it 1 step to far, and can't finsh the craft with out failing...

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Originally Posted by Hazuki87

The macro don't work, it 1 step to far, and can't finsh the craft with out failing...

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Do you have 1024 craftsmanship as I stated in the post?

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

Do you have 1024 craftsmanship as I stated in the post?

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Iv got 1027, and ain't not your Macao, it was the one OP added, it one to many steps, the last CS hit -5 and fails the craft.

I still use rath ...impressive how this is super good also for 4*