[MCH Request] Is it possible to have the 30 second ammo time-out removed?

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Originally Posted by Luxpheras

Greetings, gunslingers of Eorzea!

We've received quite a fair amount of feedback regarding the duration of the Ammunition effect, and plan to make adjustments to this in the future. While changes are still in development, we welcome any additional thoughts you may have and request that the machinists of the realm please look forward to it. :)

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Every time I see Dark Arts I'm reminded that that mechanic was how ammo was SUPPOSED to work, and it makes me both sad and jealous...

It also explains the original QR CD, as well as the timer on ammo. Personally I'd rather be back to the old QR timer, and have the multiple barrel attachments and ammo effects that MCH was purportedly getting, prior to HW release.

Edit: even if it was watered down versions, like Ammo boosting Hot shot buff to 10%, or raising Lead shot DoT potency.... really I want ammo to do something more than '+20 potency. Woo.'

This is a great quality of life change.

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Originally Posted by Syll

Every time I see Dark Arts I'm reminded that that mechanic was how ammo was SUPPOSED to work, and it makes me both sad and jealous...

It also explains the original QR CD, as well as the timer on ammo. Personally I'd rather be back to the old QR timer, and have the multiple barrel attachments and ammo effects that MCH was purportedly getting, prior to HW release.

Edit: even if it was watered down versions, like Ammo boosting Hot shot buff to 10%, or raising Lead shot DoT potency.... really I want ammo to do something more than '+20 potency. Woo.'

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Indeed, whatever happened to these "attachments"? It made the job sound positively awesome. It's still fun, but in a very different way.

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Originally Posted by seekified

Indeed, whatever happened to these "attachments"? It made the job sound positively awesome. It's still fun, but in a very different way.

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They either didn't have time to implement them when 3.0 launched or they flatly couldn't get them to function in a way they were pleased with.

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Originally Posted by Luxpheras

please look forward to it. :)

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Famous last words on a topic.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

They either didn't have time to implement them when 3.0 launched or they flatly couldn't get them to function in a way they were pleased with.

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They scrapped it because they didn't like the idea of having multiple attachment design for each weapon, not that it stopped them from doing gauss barrel for all weapons (and taking away the novelty of it being an "atachment" since BRD has the exact same skill). At least thats what I recall in a liveletter.

Eitherway, I'm just not pleased with the result we got; it's sharing too many parallels with BRD even before WM/GB, now it's just...bleh.

If magic can be "stacked" (Aetherflow), I see no reason physical Ammunition can't be.

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If magic can be "stacked" (Aetherflow), I see no reason physical Ammunition can't be.

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Aetherflow is not very much like ammo at all. Many of SCH and SMN's core abilities are gated behind Aetherflow. MCH gets 50% proc for their combo. SCH can't use Lustrate/Sacred Soil/Bane/Energy Drain/Indomitability without an Aetherflow stack and some of these are extremely important for raids. None of MCH's abilities are gated behind ammo.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Aetherflow is not very much like ammo at all. Many of SCH and SMN's core abilities are gated behind Aetherflow. MCH gets 50% proc for their combo. SCH can't use Lustrate/Sacred Soil/Bane/Energy Drain/Indomitability without an Aetherflow stack and some of these are extremely important for raids. None of MCH's abilities are gated behind ammo.

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I don't see the relevance between what you posted and the point of ammo having a timer on it vs. aetherflow not having a timer. SMN ends up having a timer going toward dreadwyrm, but the difference is 1) they can extend it with each further use of an aetherflow ability and 2) the timer is only set in motion when using an ability, not for having the stacks sitting around. And, on that note, MCH's ammo has a smaller timer set into it to get the bonus on the next attack that isn't likely to last between phase transitions or between packs of mobs, and there is also no way to extend the timer on the proc nor on the ammo stack.

So I don't see the relevance in pointing out "aetherflow is different than ammo" when the relevant point is "ammo functions much worse than aetherflow."

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

If magic can be "stacked" (Aetherflow), I see no reason physical Ammunition can't be.

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If we're talking about a lore perspective, it's not physical ammunition we're loading, it's aetherically generated ammo through your lunchbox. The charge fades over time.

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Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

So I don't see the relevance in pointing out "aetherflow is different than ammo" when the relevant point is "ammo functions much worse than aetherflow."

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The functionality of DWT and ammo are two completely different things. If you're not seeing the relevance, then you're looking at it wrong or taking the quote completely out of context. Honestly the timer just feels like a leftover of what they had intentionally wanted ammo to be; a resource to fuel abilties or to gain access to ablities, and the duration necessitated proper management (akin to DWT), instead of what we have now which essentially tells you to slam it whenever it comes off cooldown.

We ought to be speaking from a gameplay perspective, as there is a separate forum for lore. As such, one should establish mechanics first before justifying it with lore.

And from a mechanical standpoint, there is no reason for ammo to be on a timer like it is. A measly +60 potency at best doesn't warrant it.

Considering the present state of MCH's, this change should have been implemented ages ago. Unless they're saving the timer for a future interaction we know nothing about, as it stands today, it would be nothing more than a QoL improvement; which means we'll see it rolling on live pretty soon and yayyyy! lol. No more messing around my QR cd because of delayed pulls :D

From last patch note guys :)

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...622727-mch.png

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Originally Posted by NoctisXV

From last patch note guys :)

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...622727-mch.png

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Do you think you know what it means?

Cause i have a fear that this means, that the SKILL Reload will remain in effect until all ammo is used. Aka: It wont go on Cooldown until we used all 5 Ammo.
Which.. would be a really bad nerf, fucking over all of our timings.

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Originally Posted by Sareturu

Do you think you know what it means?

Cause i have a fear that this means, that the SKILL Reload will remain in effect until all ammo is used. Aka: It wont go on Cooldown until we used all 5 Ammo.
Which.. would be a really bad nerf, fucking over all of our timings.

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I hope you're wrong, I hope it only means the timer has been removed and that it will now can be used like chakra V for monk (without any timer anymore).
I'm scared now, we will see but I hope it will be a change in a good way :/

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Originally Posted by Sareturu

Do you think you know what it means?

Cause i have a fear that this means, that the SKILL Reload will remain in effect until all ammo is used. Aka: It wont go on Cooldown until we used all 5 Ammo.
Which.. would be a really bad nerf, fucking over all of our timings.

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There's no way this is true. "in effect" just makes it like aetherflow. Several skills stay "in effect" but don't make the countdown hold till it's gone, tank/cleric stances etc. Even statuses that stay in effect a limited time like buffs, swiftcast etc...the cooldown starts when popped, not used up.

Yeah, I'm 99.9% sure it's just bad wording. I guess they just put Reload because ammunition by itself isn't a skill / trait (though they didn't include Quick Reload with that)

In the german patchnotes its called "Spezialprojektil geladen", which is the description of your ammunition buff/stacks. I think its now like aetherflow stacks without having a 30s timer.