Biggest disappointment as a Scholar.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

There has literally never been an MMO where healers weren't expected to do DPS in downtime, the only thing that varies is how widely accepted healers not DPSing is.

I'm sorry but it's a team game where the goal is to kill the enemy, and if you're ever just standing there doing nothing and not contributing to the goal in some way, then you're either completely out of mana, or you're lazy. There's no in between.



Also this.

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I think early on, in my experience, from BC to Cataclysm WoW healers mainly just spent time healing. In fact, due to changes of the game, in Cata there was no spare mana to DPS. And healers had around 2 offensive spells. Literally.

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Originally Posted by Krissey

I think early on, in my experience, from BC to Cataclysm WoW healers mainly just spent time healing. In fact, due to changes of the game, in Cata there was no spare mana to DPS. And healers had around 2 offensive spells. Literally.

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Discipline priest passive converts damage into healing and they spent all their time DPSing and still do to this day. They've been widely considered for most of the games life as the best healer due to this and their shields.

WoW is more healer intensive, however, so if you didn't have a discipline priest in your group for some reason it was more common there to not need to because you were busy with other things, but it was a fight-by-fight basis, and even on my holy priest I was able to keep Holy Fire on cooldown and smite spam here and there (and it was expected as well).

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

There has literally never been an MMO where healers weren't expected to do DPS in downtime, the only thing that varies is how widely accepted healers not DPSing is.

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I've already addressed this point my post that you're quoting. I'll re-quote myself and bold for empahsis in case it went overlooked:

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Originally Posted by HPDelron

Sure depending on the exact class in the exact game you’re playing you might expect to DPS, Crowd Control (if that's a thing in a given game), use some kind of active buff system or do any number of things in addition to healing. However you could not at all be faulted for assuming those things would be secondary considerations to healing.

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The key desire here is for healing to be the primary role, while DPS and other things are secondary considerations. The desire is not for "No DPS ever, Chain Heal all the time 4 ever" but rather for something other than: DPS 90% of the time, heal only when the other (read: "Real") healer dies or for very short sections of specific fights. I've seen multiple posts for some encounters saying that if the scholar heals at all at any point during the entire fight something has gone terribly wrong.

A healer that primarily heals but spends time debuffing, DPSing or working envriomental mechanics is fine that's a healer a diverse set of responsibilities. A Healer that spends 90%+ of their time DPSing is not a healer, healing is not their primary role. Such a class is fine class, it's an interesting and compelling role. It's a good thing for it to exist. It's probably not a good thing for it to be unambiguously grouped with more traditional healers.

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Originally Posted by Krissey

I think early on, in my experience, from BC to Cataclysm WoW healers mainly just spent time healing. In fact, due to changes of the game, in Cata there was no spare mana to DPS. And healers had around 2 offensive spells. Literally.

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In vanilla, healer DPS didn't even scale with gear. You could have spent 100% of the time chain-casting damage spells and not have contributing anything meaningful to damage. Which is not to say that is a great design but rather it's to point that the narrative of "There has literally never been an MMO where healers weren't expected to do DPS in downtime, the only thing that varies is how widely accepted healers not DPSing is. " is just incorrect and takes only a narrow and very recent view of history.

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Originally Posted by HPDelron

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yes, I read that, and my point still stands.

DPSing is secondary here as well so I'm really not sure what you're getting at anymore. If you look back at my post...

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Though I will say, as an endgame scholar who did all of coil and has done up to A6S, the ONLY fight I've ever had where I had to DPS 90% of it is A5S, only because there's like barely anything to even heal in that fight. I still keep my dots up in all fights, but this is the only one where I'm literally spamming broil with an occassional succor and nothing else just because there's nothing else to do. I'm not sure why they put so little healing in this fight....

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Though I did edit this in about a minute after posting, so no shame if you missed it. I think you've heard some wrong information, as normally DPS and healing go hand in hand on scholar, DPS isn't more important, because if that was the case I would just play summoner and let my white mage partner do everything....like really, who's saying this 'if a scholar has to heal at all something's gone wrong"? Sounds ridiculous to me. XD

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Though I did edit this in about a minute after posting, so no shame if you missed it. I think you've heard some wrong information, as normally DPS and healing go hand in hand on scholar, DPS isn't more important, because if that was the case I would just play summoner and let my white mage partner do everything....like really, who's saying this 'if a scholar has to heal at all something's gone wrong"? Sounds ridiculous to me. XD

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This is a narrative I've seen put forward very consistently on these forums, reddit and other sources. That your scholar there is primarily for two things outside of DPS.

1) To put up shields to mitigate hits that would be lethal without them.
2) To apply extra healing during the sections where the primary healer can't keep up, and these sections are the exception rather than the rule.

As one long time Scholar player I know described it to me "Don't think of Cleric's stance as something you put on when you have to DPS, think of it as something you take off when you have to heal".

Perhaps these voices are incorrect and simply exceptionally loud. However they certainly are there and very good at making their case. Otherwise you wouldn't have posts like the OPs or mine apparently confused on the matter. If we've got the wrong impression it is because people are out there actively spreading misinformation. If I were to ask you honestly:

A) When you push a button to use ability, how often it is a DPS vs Healing ability? EDIT: ( Just a feel/estimate, I'm not expecting a number derived from parses here)
B) Where would you put the line between "DPS Class that also heals on the side" and "Healer that also DPSes on the side" in terms of that rate of Healing vs DPS button pushes?

General duties of a scholar (to me):

• If Immediate AOE after pull, Spread Crit aldoquiem if possible with Deployment Tactics to give the WHM/AST and yourself some time for a DPS opener, (if not just try to shield the tank with the crit adlo.)
  
• Micormanage Selene (Placing, Manually Embracing and CD usage. Her skills ARE your skills. Also, I say Selene, because most content can be done with her, which is why recovery can be a little harder on the SCH, since his Steriod healer is locked behind a summon)
  
• Handle any mechanics that do not need the Off Tank, that can be done by you effectively, (Example: Bombs in A5s)
  
• Watch your cohealer. If you see them Medica-ing and a tank buster is about to land. Get the tank topped off. Virus. Shield. Heal.
  
• DPS whenever you can. contributing 5% of the raids damage on the boss is 5% off of the enrage for everyone else.

Your role is to make the healing portion manageable. You are watching everyone's health and going:

Can we survive the upcoming AOE without my help AND make a recovery before the next? If Yes, let the regens get it. If no, pop indom or succor.

A large physical AOE is coming up. The Black Mage looks about the same health as the other DPS, but typically have less defense than other classes. I should lustrate them before the impact of this AOE to ensure their survival.

Calculating survival and necessary healing is how you play a Scholar. Survival is worth more than your own DPS, but your own DPS is worth more than overhealing.

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Originally Posted by Yhisa

I got a selene/eos on AST..... To bad its a cooldown but does not give a pet :(

(Talking about synasty)

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Sadly synastry doesnt come with whispering dawn or fey illumination :(.

(I still love synastry, its such a filthy good cooldown :) ).

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Originally Posted by Priya

I follow the meta even though I wish SE would change it...

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Removing our accuracy was their attempt at changing the meta I think, but it only made playing a healer more frustrating because the meta remained. Short of taking away our offensive skills completely, the die has been cast. Players of all roles are now judged by how much damage they dish out.

Stance dancer, myself. I'm constantly casting if mp allows, and what I decide to do always depends on whether my team is shielded when they need to be and healthy. If so, then I fire away, if not I fix it. Unfortunately this probably makes me a bad scholar to most these days, since I don't allow my tank's hp fall under 50% and I'll even let dps have a ss or two in 4-man content.

Scholar is my favorite job, but lately I wonder if I shouldn't just play a dps main instead. When a player's merit is decided only on dps numbers, might as well play a job that was primarily designed to bring them, no?

Perhaps I am not understanding OP's aim with this thread. If you want to play a class like WHM and AST, play WHM and AST. It is easier to buy a horse than it is to try to cover up a zebra's stripes and attempt to ride it.

As demonstrated by other posters, there's still plenty for SCHs to do in raids and all Healers are expected to DPS when possible. Do you want content to require more healing?

You could ask to be the main heal and see if you can handle it.

No, that's inefficient. No raid group would ever let a scholar main heal, because they lack the healing punch that White Mage and Ast can. Scholars only heal to shield for TB's and raid wide AoE, and only if it's necessary. If it isn't, it's just pointless mitigation that can be safely ignored.

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Originally Posted by AriKitae

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Oh. I was just venting because I hate the fact that Scholar is treated as basically a budget summoner, but there's no other job that has a shielding mechanic. I enjoy shields and mitigation type game play, but I don't like HoTs, so there's still no job I can actually play and enjoy that kind of gameplay. Except tanks.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

No, that's inefficient. No raid group would ever let a scholar main heal, because they lack the healing punch that White Mage and Ast can. Scholars only heal to shield for TB's and raid wide AoE, and only if it's necessary. If it isn't, it's just pointless mitigation that can be safely ignored.

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um you're forgetting about Eos' whispering dawn, does about 1200 hp with me also a sch can solo heal, seen it in action during T5 sync it was amazing

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Originally Posted by Powe

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Which sacrifices Selene's Fey Wind, in which case you'd have better heals overall if you take a WHM or an AST.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I fail to understand why OP doesn't just play whm. I came nearly the same time as the 3.2 patch, so I don't know anything about early Scholars, or end game SCH. However, I've been reading about this game since it's PC release in the US. When I read up on SCH utility, I knew exactly what I was signing up for, which is why I also chose to level whm. As far as I know, SCH's abilities have remained intact for the most part since initial release, so again I question why the SCH's are so angry about the role that is totally paved for them since day one.

I understand why OP is frustrated. I know all to well how it feels to be disappointed by faulty expectations. But you have to take some accountability. If someone takes a job all the way to 60, it's normally pretty safe to assume the person enjoys playing its role.

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As mentioned before, I hate the white mage play style. I prefer shields to HoTs, so White Mage doesn't work with how I like to play. Not Ast is an option that I considered, but again, Noct Ast is considered sub par in all situations, so once again I'm unable to actually play a job that plays how I enjoy due to the lack of a healer actually dedicated to shielding. As for why I have SCH at 60, I personally experiment with every job so I can learn the ins and outs and how best to complement them with my main jobs.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Which sacrifices Selene's Fey Wind, in which case you'd have better heals overall if you take a WHM or an AST.

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But is Fey wind really worth it? anyway a great sch can main heal raids just everyone have to be able to dodge most of the AOEs its an amazing job IMO

I think the reason for that is, all fights in game after they are released for awhile can be completely solo healed (or with just a little help now and then). Hence the SCH becomes a "safeguard" healer in such party and only required to heal very little (since they are more suitable to DPS for a long time). And any "safeguard" SCH, who want to optimize what they are doing, will probably aim to maximize their DPS or handle every mechanics they can. Look at any new released content when players are not over geared, the SCH will heal more and dps way less. I see many SCH in practice Seph Ex spamming succor like crazy and release whispering dawn even while the WHM/AST has their HoTs up and running.

That doesn't mean SCH don't have the healing power of WHM or AST. Just google "SCH solo heal xyzw" and normally it will be some amazing videos to watch :)

IMO the only way we can get out of this is if SE can design such fight with mechanics that can force both healers to heal even when over-geared (not solo-able). I can't think of how they can do it yet though, so SCH will probably keep being a dps with some healing skills for awhile :D

I fail to understand why OP doesn't just play whm. I came nearly the same time as the 3.2 patch, so I don't know anything about early Scholars, or end game SCH. However, I've been reading about this game since it's PC release in the US. When I read up on SCH utility, I knew exactly what I was signing up for, which is why I also chose to level whm. As far as I know, SCH's abilities have remained intact for the most part since initial release, so again I question why the SCH's are so angry about the role that is totally paved for them since day one.

I understand why OP is frustrated. I know all to well how it feels to be disappointed by faulty expectations. But you have to take some accountability. If someone takes a job all the way to 60, it's normally pretty safe to assume the person enjoys playing its role.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

As far as I know, SCH's abilities have remained intact for the most part since initial release, so again I question why the SCH's are so angry about the role that is totally paved for them since day one.
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Most SCHs Ive seen, including myself, dont have many problems with it. OP is making it out to be a bigger issue than it is.

Also it isnt that SCH doesn't have the healing power of WHM or AST at all, it is that they have the better ability to DPS for a long period of time. If doing so wouldnt burn WHM and AST mp down fast than SCH wouldnt almost always be the support healer

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Originally Posted by Gemina

why the SCH's are so angry about the role that is totally paved for them since day one.

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I quite enjoy playing SCH too but sometimes, you know, i really wish i can "test" my healing ability more as SCH. Like: "Hey whm buddy, let me main heal this primal ex on my sch, and you go dps". But too bad that will hardly never happen :P I do have some shining moments on SCH now and then though. That moment you can savage the party after the main heal died/DC'ed is one of those (oh, and i did have some whm co-healer that insist on DPS on DF, but well, those are less thrilling).


Edit: See Zari's post just after posted. Yepp, we are of the same idea :P

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I fail to understand why OP doesn't just play whm. I came nearly the same time as the 3.2 patch, so I don't know anything about early Scholars, or end game SCH. However, I've been reading about this game since it's PC release in the US.When I read up on SCH utility, I knew exactly what I was signing up for, which is why I also chose to level whm. As far as I know, SCH's abilities have remained intact for the most part since initial release, so again I question why the SCH's are so angry about the role that is totally paved for them since day one.

I understand why OP is frustrated. I know all to well how it feels to be disappointed by faulty expectations. But you have to take some accountability. If someone takes a job all the way to 60, it's normally pretty safe to assume the person enjoys playing its role.

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Not everyone does exhaustive research before starting a game, or even picking up a new class or character in a game they play. The idea that you're DPS first, healing & support second is certainly not paved from Day 1 by anything in game.

Player: Boy I would like to heal.
Game: Here are the 3 healers. They sure do heal, throw in some damage if you can spare the time.
Player: Oh boy, I sure like that one with a pet.
Game: Here are some dungeons, level up them as the only healer. You need to heal.
Game: Here are some trials, you'll win if everyone mostly doesn't plain commit suicide so feel free to heal if that's your thing.
Player: Awesome. I sure did get a lot of levels by healing. I guess I should get some more gear.
Game: Here are some dungeons, you can probably get away with the fairy doing most of the work but you sure can still heal to your hearts content if you want to.
Player: Uh. OK That's pretty cool I guess. Might as well do some DPS, I'm sure the harder stuff will tax my healing talents.
Game: Welcome to end game!
Player: Oh boy! Time to test my healing prowess.
Game: DPS your balls off or the group wipes to enrage.
Player: But I.
Game: I said DPS!!!
Player: I get why this is a cool class, but I kind of feel like the game lied to me back there
Forums: Scholar is fine, why are you saying it's terrible.
Forums: Git Gud! You're just lazy! A real party member contributes everything they can
Player: I get that but, it's not really what Imagined when I signed up and...
Forums: Then you should love DPSing it's a sign of skill!
Player: I understand that it invovles skill but what I wanted to do was heal.
Forums: Then why didn't you just play White Mage pfft
Player: Nothing back at the start would have told me that was what I was getting into
Forums: Git Gud! You're just lazy! A real party member contributes everything they can!

Now this relies on a certain narrative about Scholar's endgame role being true. It's a narrative I can't vouch for personally because that narrative was repeated frequently and firmly enough to make me jump ship from the class before trying to find out myself. Certainly some posters like FoxyAreku have denied it's true, but other posts in this thread seem to reinforce it. It may mean that these lines are blurry and subjective. However sitting where I am external to the process I and looking at the site "FF Logs" which records end game runs, I don't see even 1 Scholar in any of the top 10 healing for any current fight. At the same time just about every DPS class makes at least some showing (however slim), on the DPS charts with only bards being absent. This implies to me that the Scholar's relationship to the other healers is fundamentally different than the relationship the DPS classes have among one other. The DPS classes are roughly all playing on the same track, AST & WHM are playing on the same track but SCH is doing something different.

I main WHM and am working on levelling SCH again. But generally for content I do, I mainly heal and add dps as I can as a scholar which is the same thing I do as a WHM.

I haven't had anyone say anything to me yet. But I do a lot of roulettes where a lot of people aren't that great and will get hit by a lot of choreographed attacks and require more healing than seems to be needed by a lot of people in this thread.

Since I avoid Savage and Ex battles (well, I will try to clear them once but don't farm them) I am able to enjoy myself and play my healers as I please and still get commendations all the time.

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Yeah I've never heard of such an attitude, I can see where it comes from, but the way these people you're hearing are wording it is incredibly laughable to me.

A scholar's job is mitigation, you mitigate everything then DPS when there's nothing to mitigate. All there is to it really. If you properly mitigate, you won't have to 'heal' much because your shields will help enough that the white mage can handle it.

Actually, maybe that's where they're getting the attitude, because Scholar isn't so much a pure healer as it is pure mitigation. Either way, seems there's lots of misconceptions I've never heard of going on in this thread so I'm sorry if I jumped the gun in assuming this was another healer DPS complaint.

Still, outside of A5S, I can't think of a single extreme primal, coil, or savage fight I've ever done that didn't have me constantly stance dancing and using my heals very often, so who knows.

as a general rule, when a healer doesn't have to heal, its more efficient to have them spend their spare GCDs adding extra dps, as long as they have the mp to do so. sch generally do this first over whm or ast, not because they have higher dps potential, (all three have about the same potential, single-target), but because they have vastly more effective total mp to work with, given the nature of Aetherflow. In a 10 minute fight, a sch can have over 3x their total mp to work with, and thats without using energy drain.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

You are not, and never will be, considered a healer of any capacity at all. You're nothing but a glorified DPS that shrugs off all responsibility of the role to the other, infinitely more competent healer while you're off in your own little world spamming dps abilities and occasionally throwing up an Adlo if the stars align and it's necessary. No strategy, no planning, if things go tits up you don't even have the healing power to salvage the raid, you just roll over and die.

But that's just what I've seen from every Scholar I've ever met from 2.5 to now, so I guess people enjoy pretending to be a DPS.

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Meanwhile, in the other healer's mind during a difficult moment in the fight...

"OMFG why isn't my healing partner doing their job!!!!! If they Broil one more... OMFG!@#$%^&*!!!!"

A WAR complaining about another job being a glorified DPS?
A tank complaining about another job's DPS rotation being repetitive and boring?
Obvious troll post.
Move a long, nothing to see. >w>

OP, you can redeem yourself by doing the following:

Step into some form of end game raiding and then come back here. You might find your level of ignorance dropping ever so slightly. ;D

Someone was trying to tell me Scholar/Summoner MP costs are lesser the more Aetherflow Stacks you have and grow exponentially more expensive the more stacks you use? They didn't really explain it in a way that made sense to me and nothing in the game suggests this would be true but they "watched and tested it".

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Originally Posted by Krissey

Someone was trying to tell me Scholar/Summoner MP costs are lesser the more Aetherflow Stacks you have and grow exponentially more expensive the more stacks you use? They didn't really explain it in a way that made sense to me and nothing in the game suggests this would be true but they "watched and tested it".

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The only spell with a variable mp cost is Ruin 3 during Dreadwyrm Trance. Scholar has no spells with variable costs.

They might have been thinking of Black Mage.

I agree with OP and I'm pretty sad a lot of people here can't understand the healing meta situation that this game presents. SCH dps is not (or shouldn't be) necessary today, it was only made vital for Gordias because of ridiculous dps checks that were meant to be beaten by DPS jobs together with Tanks all geared with high item level weapons (i200). I've been seeing a lot of SCH that aren't competent beating content recently just because their healer partner can handle most healing with little help, and the thing is... yeah, as how healing checks are made, one healer (any job) is enough to heal though almost anything alone. As long the healing checks keep being made as simply conssecutive high damage and they don't implement more healer intensive mechanics the game will keep going by this and one of the two healers in any party composition will always be a glorified DPS. Tank meta have faced this but its easier to fix and SE had easily been slowly working towards it since 2.5. And the situation only got worse with the power of melding letting healer meet Accuracy caps for all Midas Savage turn. I'm not saying this isn't bad or shouldn't happen, I'm saying this made the mentality of a healer being a glorified DPS even stronger.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

A scholar's job is mitigation, you mitigate everything then DPS when there's nothing to mitigate. All there is to it really. If you properly mitigate, you won't have to 'heal' much because your shields will help enough that the white mage can handle it.

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This. I have absolutely no idea where people got the WHM/AST concepts intertwined with each other. WHM is reactive healing and AST (from what I've seen) is a mix of both. SCH however, is purely proactive healing.

A shield is something that allows an individual to not only get hit, but survive for the next hit. We've been using them since the dawn of mankind. The way I see it, as a WHM, even as a stance dancer, I still get a little nervous when going cleric stance 'cause you never know when the party will mess up a choreographed attack which could inevitably lead to a wipe. But as a SCH, I can proactively mitigate everyone so I can safely go into a DPS stance.

Yeah yeah, I'm one of those "please DPS if you've got nothing to do." Not because it's been reinforced by FFXIV social standards, but because it's almost comes off as common sense. A WHM doesn't have many opportunities to dps; a SCH does.
I understand what the OP is saying but the wording makes it sound like a SCH urinated in your breakfast cereal or something.

Should we be enforcing "DPS more DPS more and get off your lazy butts and oh s*it we died! Healer why didn't you heal us?" I don't know; take a poll or something. Though...I'll admit that if I cared for things such as expectations, I'd be thoroughly disappointed if I didn't know what SCH already entailed and thought SCH was on par with WHM ("oh I get this nice healing class called scholar and oh....I guess all I can do is shield...time TO DPS!!!).

Another thing is that on average, sch healing spells do cost more than the whm or the ast. 1060 for an aldo compared to 884 cure 2 or 1326 succor to 1237 medica(which has a 1/5 chance of costing half). They're the class whose healing outside of abilites cost the most with any way to reduce the cost compared to whm's procs or astro's reduced cost.

They're still the most versatile and flexible of the three healers. Being able to dps and healing and having a pet with a heal that costs only 3 seconds and fairly short cds on them.

Oh boy seems this thread has devolved into another "healers dont NEED to dps so they shouldnt do it" thread
These forums are always a fun time arent they?

One thing about scholars, and leaving their co-healer to solo heal that's often skipped in these conversations. Even if I, as a WHM, was solohealing a fight with SCH co-heal who doesn't leave the CS, the SCH is still healing. How? because they have their pet out. Each and every WHM and AST can't rightly say they solohealed this or that fight with SCH as co-heal who just dps'ed as long as there was fairy too. It's just part of their toolkit, even if the skills you most actively are using are dps ones you're still healing. If your raid wants you to dps only, try to see how far you get without summoning your pet.

I have a question. Could SCH solo heal the endgame content if allowed?

In the mmo's I've played, I've always remembered endgame content allowing little flexibility. Your role, gear, and even rotation all have requirements. You sometimes have to accept that you get your fill on the way to that content. The four man instances where SCH gets to utilize both healing and dps ability is what spoils many of us I think. Even those who claim to have dps 90% of the time know that they had to save some asses. We've all had those battles where too much dmg is happening for the fairy to handle, and you have to step up.

I've looked at some vids of endgame, and I see SCH's are busy as bees. They're mitigating. All the time. Our best healing abilities cost stacks or massive CD, and can't be used liberally. I know everyone doesn't do extensive research prior to leveling a job, but you are allowed to level multiple classes of the same role. It's just unfortunate none worked out for OP.

So this guy is complaining about scholar being part dps. What?

He then says scholar doesnt have the healing ability that whm or ast has, so itll never be the main healer. Uh no. For aoe healing, you do succor. If you need more, emergency tactics then another succor. If you need more, throw in indomitability as well. For single targeting, adlo then emergency tactics+ adlo. If galvanize is still up, next cast is physick, if not, another adlo. Not to mention that you have lustrate, which is like a benediction except it doesnt have the annoying lag time, plus you get to have it broken up into 3 parts.

For large sustained continuous small damage (aka big ass dungeon pull) theres an old tecnique I used to do way back in the days of amdapor keep. Its called chaining adloquiums. You watch the tank's hp very carefully, and you time the next adloquium to fall on the tank right as the previous one falls off. This essentially gives the tank 100% immunity from dying. You get the timing right, the tank is invincible. You get the timing wrong, then your shields clip and its completely worthless. It doesnt matter how much trash he pulls, he could pull the whole freaken dungeon. Before HW release, mana regen in relation to level 50 was high enough that you could chain adloquium back to back for about 30 seconds before you had to energy drain. Nowadays its closer to 20 seconds, so its more of a last resort, after lustrates and emergency is down.

I just "Liked" the OP post as I think this is a very good and well-thought troll post. It would not generate 9 pages of the same stuff that has been discussed to death here over and over again otherwise. :-)

It reflects pretty well the heaing meta we have at the moment. If its a troll, it just shows how sad healing community is at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Zari

Oh boy seems this thread has devolved into another "healers dont NEED to dps so they shouldnt do it" thread
These forums are always a fun time arent they?

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I haven't really seen this sentiment expressed anywhere in the thread and certainly not repeatedly. Would you mind quoting some specific posts?

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Originally Posted by Zari

Oh boy seems this thread has devolved into another "healers dont NEED to dps so they shouldnt do it" thread
These forums are always a fun time arent they?

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Wanting to be responsible for more than shielding one or two attacks on the healer side personally doesn't mean that I don't want to DPS. It just means that scholars spend less time healing than a Warrior does tanking. And no, Embrace, while micromanaged, doesn't count as my own personal heals.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

With that perspective, then you also should not take credit for any of your fairy's AoE abilities as well as they are not part of your own 'personal' tool kit.

I sympathize with you OP. When I played XI, I leveled WAR wanting to be a tank. I got to tank, and LOVED it. Until I hit 40 and thrown into DPS and be a 'backup' tank. So now if I wanted to tank, I would have to level a job I didn't care for. It was hard to stomach that. But what I think this board is trying to convince you of, is your shields and heals are still very important and very much required. One thing I've learned about mmos is that dmg mitigation is ALWAYS welcome. In any instance. You have far more ability to do so than any other job in this game. You shield, and fairy heals. That is the SCH way. Is a shift in perspective entirely out of the question?

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I don't take credit for any of my pets abilities, while micromanaged or otherwise. Anyone that knows the job even partially is well aware that it's not a scholar ability, but a fairy ability. That's why Selene is the popular one, not Eso.

A shift in perspective sadly is impossible. I don't enjoy being a glorified DPS as a tank or healer. Hence why I would raid on DPS jobs.

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Originally Posted by KiraKarea

I just "Liked" the OP post as I think this is a very good and well-thought troll post. It would not generate 9 pages of the same stuff that has been discussed to death here over and over again otherwise. :-)

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Why do you think it's a troll?

Someone leveling a healer all the way to 60, grinding out gear so they can raid and then learning that they're just going to be a budget summoner who casts Adlo two or three times sounds like a pretty awful experience.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

..And no, Embrace, while micromanaged, doesn't count as my own personal heals.

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With that perspective, then you also should not take credit for any of your fairy's AoE abilities as well as they are not part of your own 'personal' tool kit.

I sympathize with you OP. When I played XI, I leveled WAR wanting to be a tank. I got to tank, and LOVED it. Until I hit 40 and thrown into DPS and be a 'backup' tank. So now if I wanted to tank, I would have to level a job I didn't care for. It was hard to stomach that. But what I think this board is trying to convince you of, is your shields and heals are still very important and very much required. One thing I've learned about mmos is that dmg mitigation is ALWAYS welcome. In any instance. You have far more ability to do so than any other job in this game. You shield, and fairy heals. That is the SCH way. Is a shift in perspective entirely out of the question?