How you chose your healing job.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

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Warning, Sch has bad aoe healing pre level....... Dont remember what level you'll get it but by level 60 you will have 1 really aoe heal and a buff that'll make succor and aldoqium double their healing power while getting rid of the shield affect so while you're still in the old content you main thing for aoe healing while be Eos's whispering dawn but thats only a regen affect. So while eos/ Selene can help you heal you'll have to watch out for people who don't dodge well.

I like playing a healer that combines both healing and buffs. In TERA I was a Mystic (even though, from what I remember, the only "buffs" were the auras... been a while though), and in Aion my equally loved alt is a Chanter. AST strikes a great balance (no pun intended, lol) between straight healing and buffing abilities, and after watching several videos on each of the healing jobs (as I knew for sure I wanted to heal again) before even purchasing this game, I knew AST was what I wanted to aim for.

And so AST is my main job! \o/ That's not to say I never play the other healers, though: I play all three classes quite frequently, and have come to thoroughly enjoy the other two healers as well. All depends on what I'm in the mood for, or what the groups needs. I like to be able to adapt, and will eventually be bringing my other two healer's ilvls up-to-par with my AST's. XP (They're not too far apart tbh, and considering there aren't any job restrictions just yet on the newest gear, they'll probably equalize with my AST here pretty fast.)

After maining a Discipline Priest for ages in WoW, I felt like trying something new, so White Mage it was!

It was that simple, yeah. <.<

@Powe

Thanks for the heads up! I am aware that sch can't heal as quickly as whm, nor should they be able to with free aoe regen and shields. I have no intention of not watching HP bars and leaving healing duties to AI. If that's all the job entailed, I would quickly lose interest in it.

Succor is learned @35 and has half the potency as medica. The next is gained @52 if I remember correctly but requires an aetherflow stack but it's a big time heal. So with strategic use of aetherflow and aoe regen, I'm hoping this won't be too much of an issue. I don't spam medica as cnj like so many others do.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Succor is learned @35 and has half the potency as medica. The next is gained @52 if I remember correctly but requires an aetherflow stack but it's a big time heal. So with strategic use of aetherflow and aoe regen, I'm hoping this won't be too much of an issue. I don't spam medica as cnj like so many others do.

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You've got the right of it. Particularly in the 4-man content you play while leveling Whispering Dawn is pretty powerful. So long as you save it until you need it, you'll get a ton of value out of it. Unless your party is just obsessed with standing in AoEs you won't find much while levelling that a Succor + Whispering Dawn won't fix, particularly if you pop Rouse and/or Fey Illumination (level 40) beforehand. If folks find a way to die between (Swiftcast)Succor + Whispering Dawn -> Succor the issue really not another would be fixing anyway.

I have all 3 leveled and i guess i just play as what ever tickles my fancy at the moment

I didn't trust FF players to heal properly, so I picked the direct healing job (WHM).
I should just play SCH, because every time I get a SCH in dungeon groups, they try to Physick spam people to keep them alive.

Can't play all the roles at once I guess...

By the ability to DPS and leeway on healing.

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Originally Posted by Sousoulsu

I didn't trust FF players to heal properly, so I picked the direct healing job (WHM).
I should just play SCH, because every time I get a SCH in dungeon groups, they try to Physick spam people to keep them alive.

Can't play all the roles at once I guess...

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What else do you exactly expect an Scholar to do to heal someone? I mean, I know they have Lustrate, but just using Aetherflow stacks mindlessly isn't very smart either...

In the beginning i started as SCH. Over time I developed the other jobs and in the end and more recently, I've gotten all my healing jobs to the exact same itemlevel. I now just decided I'd be a "Healer" main. Being able to adapt a bunch with 3 different skillsets to what people need or what I prefer has definitely been fun and paid off. Though I have to say I end up preferring the shields AST and SCH make.

1. AST
2. SCH
3. WAR

I enjoy healing as an AST over SCH atm. The ability to buff and heal appeals to me.

Ugggh, qwq I still feel bad because I was SUPER into Scholar before Astrologian came out. Astrologians are just so pretty and so much fun. The globe is so cool and I love that cards are a part of it and then they threw stars on top of it and it's a buffer healer qwq. The more unique a class is the more I absolutely love it, and it's just so much better when it's a healer because healers are the most fun to play.

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

What else do you exactly expect an Scholar to do to heal someone? I mean, I know they have Lustrate, but just using Aetherflow stacks mindlessly isn't very smart either...

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It is called using shields along with the physicks and lustrates when necessary.

Physick isnt their only form of healing

I remember when I first started and I really liked how the bard felt. Doing all the damage without having to get my face punched in. Well...my face got punched in doing solo content so I decided to move right over to Conjuring/WHM. Best decision of my FFXIV life. After awhile, its boring aspect to healing took a toll and as of now, I'm trying to adapt my play style to that of the SCH. I find moving healing classes to be really challenging...like what, I have to manage stacks just to basically have a cure II? Well...SCH is for mitigation and preventative measures not WHM who can heal up in jiffy so like I said, I'm trying my best to be a good SCH. I just have to learn how to manage those Aetherflow stacks especially when doing long pulls n' stuff.

WHM was my first, and I have since moved to SCH.

This is entirely a gameplay reason - as I think WHM looks the best and AST looks second best. I personally think that using a book as your weapon is really lame, and that the fairies are also pretty lame. The animations on things like Holy and Aero III are awesome, where as the animations on SCH abilities suck imo. Ultimately, lore, animations and glamours make SCH my least favourite, but evenso, SCH is my main because the gameplay is just the best.

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

What else do you exactly expect an Scholar to do to heal someone? I mean, I know they have Lustrate, but just using Aetherflow stacks mindlessly isn't very smart either...

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They already responded, but yes Physick is not your go to spell for healing. In the new expert dungeons, I rarely if ever use it. I have easily a 10:1 ratio of Adlo to Physick usage.

Leveled as BRD/SMN to 50 and fatehealed as SCH if no other healer around. On 50 Fc mates needed a healer for AK speedruns (and I mean really speedruns cause I got heartattacks as newly 50)... since that I played SCH over SMN...
WHM I had leveled to 50 in 2.0 and not touched since in 2.3 my static raided without me cause had a meeting. Came home was ninja invited to a T8 clear for a new member... SCH spot was taken so offered to go WHM (i80 relic lol) and we cleared. Had also a static on my alt and offered for one raid then to swap WHM/SCH to offer the WHM to relax... they decided to swap roles for good after 1 hour (wasn't actually asked but was a nice change) D:
AST I leveled as 3rd after HW release I quite enjoy it.

I still main SCH still and offer WHM/AST as needed for raids or just derp around on them ^^

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

They already responded, but yes Physick is not your go to spell for healing. In the new expert dungeons, I rarely if ever use it. I have easily a 10:1 ratio of Adlo to Physick usage.

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Ur MP must suffer Adlo Spam never proven a good solution to me. If I heal I use Physick/Lustrate > Adlo else I would OOM pretty fast. Adlo is meant for shielding only... in dungeon no shielding needed so I may Adlo only if I feel generous.
(I admit I barely heal at all in dungeons cause too lazy and DPS uptime... so maybe thats y no Adlo)

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Originally Posted by Werhusky

Ur MP must suffer Adlo Spam never proven a good solution to me. If I heal I use Physick/Lustrate > Adlo else I would OOM pretty fast. Adlo is meant for shielding only... in dungeon no shielding needed so I may Adlo only if I feel generous.

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MP is never a problem. It's fairly similar on MP efficiency to Physick. On paper it seems Physick is better at 442 MP /400 Potency and 1041 MP /600 Potency, but with Adlo crits it evens out pretty well. If I am using Physick I do Adlo -> Physick. In a dungeon, you can adlo/stoneskin between pulls. In the expert dungeons that is all you need to do. Otherwise after that you can adlo/physick alternate.

In my opinion, if you do not use Adlo in a dungeon, then you are severely handicapping your potential.

Your first statement sounded like Adlo spam :p

And idm if your opinion differs I rarely use any healspells (on any of the 3) so I guess "healstyle" (if you wanna call my DPS healstyle) differs. I ran the current EX dungeons like 5 times overall together and usually cap on Sepp farm/Feast/weekly NMs/weekly VA/maps so can't give much current reference.

Edit: checked ur char on Lodestone <3 ur glam

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

MP is never a problem. It's fairly similar on MP efficiency to Physick. On paper it seems Physick is better at 442 MP /400 Potency and 1041 MP /600 Potency, but with Adlo crits it evens out pretty well. If I am using Physick I do Adlo -> Physick. In a dungeon, you can adlo/stoneskin between pulls. In the expert dungeons that is all you need to do. Otherwise after that you can adlo/physick alternate.

In my opinion, if you do not use Adlo in a dungeon, then you are severely handicapping your potential.

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These are not comparable in terms of MP efficiency with Phsyick at 0.90 Potency/MP vs Adlo at 0.57. Phsyick is about 58% more efficient and that's kind of huge. Which is not to say that the rest of your points aren't valid, at least in most casual content you're not generally MP-bounded and certainly not in 4-mans. Therefore the premium is on throughput if only to afford additional time contribute to damage (however you feel about such things).

It's also worth noting that Aldo's throughput superiority only holds in the case the target is going to take the full shield's worth of damage in the next 30 seconds. A 7000 HP barrier is worth only worth as much damage as is put into it. If little or none is, it's got a null value. If you're dealing with an encounter with periodic damage on non-tank targets that's sure to be lethal if left unattended long term,. but that damage is spaced more than 30s apart Phsyick will be more efficient on throughput as will since the shield would just falls off to no effect.If we assume such spaced damage even succor has lower throughput that rotating Phsyick if less than 4 people are in need of the healing. Again if we're putting damage into the shields then this changes quickly and drastically.

Granted these are corner cases in current content but I think it's better to maintain a more comprehensive understanding of tools should these difference become more relevant in later content with a different design.

I have all 3 healers and like them all very much but I LOVE my AST. Its all about the cards. Yes, my fate is left up to the RNG gods, and it doesn't always work out great, but when it does, its so satisfying, its like gambling and winning. I'm running out of mana, Luminiferous Aether is on CD, everyone is dying, and I draw an EWER, yeah! There's about to be a dps check, I've got my royal road set to aoe my next buff, and I draw a BALANCE, woohoo!

Its the little things :P

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Originally Posted by HPDelron

These are not comparable in terms of MP efficiency with Phsyick at 0.90 Potency/MP vs Adlo at 0.57. Phsyick is about 58% more efficient that's kind of huge. Which is not to say that the rest of your points aren't valid, at least in most casual content you're not generally MP-bounded and certainly not in 4-mans. Therefore the premium is on throughput if only to afford additional time contribute to damage (however you feel about such things).

It's also worth noting that Aldo's efficiency only holds in the case the target is going to take the full shield's worth of damage in the next 30 seconds. If you're dealing with an encounter with period damage on additional targets that's sure to be lethal if left unattended long term,. but that damage is spaced more than 30s apart Phsyick will be more efficient on throughput as will since the shield just falls off to no effect. Granted these are corner cases in current content but I think it's better to maintain a more comprehensive understanding of tools should these difference become more relevan in later content with a different design.

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Again, I noted that they are similar when you take into account crit (where they converge to the same number of 1.8). Also, I don't think a 0.57 to 0.90 is a huge difference given the absolute MP totals and our MP pool and the required amount of healing and the ability to regain MP back at withe energy drain/aetherflow.

As for your second point, use adlo if they are going to take damage soon - yes. if they aren't going to take damage, let Eos/Selene heal them, don't bother with a Physick.

I always throw adlo on tanks between packs, gives more leeway for dps bane opener.

Hmmm my main has always and will always be bard. But I picked up conjurer/white mage as my second early on. I enjoy it a lot and rarely feel the boredom that people feel from it. Even with my more healing focused play style I still drop into CS at times and DPS but never really get bored of it. I just love the raw healing power it brings to the table and regens for days.

I generally got pushed into the healer role by my friends in games, but I came to this game with the mind set that it would be similar to FFXI; WHM heals only. I didn't like that. I hated main healing in FFXI. And I hated that my friends were pushing me to heal so we can be a 4 man party (as they chose PLD, DRG, and BLM. I was first on the game and didn't want to heal, so I essentially said they could suck it).

But after I got my first job up through the story (bard), I dabbled with other jobs. I quickly found White Mage to be more fun than bard. Then I mained WHM up until Astrologian came out. I got SCH to 50 as well, but didn't have as much fun on the job.

Now I main AST. I always liked having more options on my jobs. Cards and Noct/Diurnal stances called to me :P

I hope if Red Mage and/or Dancer make it into this game that one of them will be a healer. I'll drop AST for those in a heartbeat.

Also, I find navigating through different hotbars in the heat of battle to be incredibly tedious, so I try to find an efficient setup I can use with only 16 abilities. I think I'd like to play SCH because the fairies give me a lot of ability variety that I don't need to use one of the precious 16 slots for.

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Originally Posted by Zadocfish

Also, I find navigating through different hotbars in the heat of battle to be incredibly tedious, so I try to find an efficient setup I can use with only 16 abilities. I think I'd like to play SCH because the fairies give me a lot of ability variety that I don't need to use one of the precious 16 slots for.

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I would honestly advise against SCH if that's the case. Of the classes I've played so far SCH is by far the most button intenstive. I currently have 38 buttons bound, the majority of which get used regularly. If you really forced the issue I might be able to pare down to say, 28-30 bare minimum.

Even just your base rotation + healing abilities + summon buttons + aetherflow is 13. And that's note even counting any utility, any cross class skills, or any healing cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by Zadocfish

Also, I find navigating through different hotbars in the heat of battle to be incredibly tedious, so I try to find an efficient setup I can use with only 16 abilities. I think I'd like to play SCH because the fairies give me a lot of ability variety that I don't need to use one of the precious 16 slots for.

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If you play on a controller you can have up to 32 slots at a time with no toggling of cross-bars, there is an option that let's you access an additional cross bar - basically, when you hold L2 and then press and hold R2 a left side of a cross bar shows up or when you hold R2 and press and hold L2 the right side of a cross-bar shows up. That adds to 32 slots. It's pretty easy to get used to, all muscle memory. I'd recommend at least giving it a try.

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Right now, my healing main is AST because I have it sharing secondaries with WHM.

I mained SCH in 2.0 until I was put in a situation of either raid as WHM or raid with strangers. I tried to be stubborn about it in 3.0, but it feels the same especially with how many people are playing SCH. Since I've rarely been given the opportunity to play it, I'm out of practice and I don't enjoy it anymore. I find WHM boring, but ran it in dungeons because I was tired of single target stoneskin lol. I've landed on AST because I feel the same way with the card mechanic as I used to with SCH, it's engaging and fulfilling.

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Originally Posted by Geula

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Hey, thanks, that's great advice! I'll try that. In conjunction with the commenter above, that should do really well.

I chose WHM as I enjoy "Pure Healing" / Holy classes in MMOs.

In EQ I mained a Cleric, and a Templar in EQ2. Aion I mained a Cleric. So WHM felt like a great fit for me.

I love the WHM aesthetic and skill set. Scholar doesn't appeal to me as much - I just can't get into it as much RP wise. I will level it to 60 to be a more versatile Healer player. (I had it at 50 before taking a break before HW). Also getting SMN with it is worth it since SMN is my preferred dos job though I've never been in a situation where I was asked to be a DPS. I will level AST as well just so i can play whatever healer role is needed.

I love my WHM though and it will always be my first to get gear and is the role I do all my story quests on.

I'm just using all 3 healers and use whatever whenever I feel like using. If it's for raids I usually adjust to the composition and to what healer is needed. Right now I'm a BLM main though. Before I was SCH for about a year and a half.

But right now I'm avoiding SCH a bit I guess. I'm just...when I play healer I really want to heal most of the time and I'm afraid I'll end up in CS more than I'll actually heal on SCH. Doesn't mean I don't do CS, it's just I wanna mainly heal. Not mainly DPS.

I chose AST. As a WAR main for two years, when it came time to try healing, I thought A) I want to pick something that's a little different, and B) I really like the AST aesthetic, with purple & light-green spell effects, twirling animations, traditional gypsy / divinator clothing, etc.

Astrologian as a whole interested me when i saw the first footage of it, plus the idea to use cards to buff my party sounded really exciting and honestly the visuals of their moves looked so pretty. I've been enjoying healing ever since and that's from someone who usually avoid the healing class in MMOs or other type of online games that might've healers.

Because I thought I wanted to be a summoner

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Originally Posted by TsunTsun

Because I thought I wanted to be a summoner

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Same. Tried to be a summoner, started with conjurer to help a friend, suddenly I was in love with healing classes and when I tried schola for the first time it felt like I finally found my role.

I always pick WHMs. Because they are divine like beings and an iconic job in all FF series. But I didn't choose WHM just for their raw healing power, but also because they can cast Holy as well. White mage uses pure energy for healing and destruction. That's why they are unique. And in FFXIV, devs done a fantastic job making what WHMs are all about. They are here to support you, but don't underestimate them ;) Aero 3 + Assize + Holy + Stone 3.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Unfortunately, what I got instead was a healing wannabe DPS that deals more damage then I feel it actually should, but healing has devolved from doing your best to DPSing all the time and screaming at the tank for dying despite using CD's, so it all works out I guess.

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Doing your best = keeping the group alive while providing DPS. Screaming at tank for dying = Failed player. Period. Healers are offensive in final fantasy, in every series. It's not Ace Guard or anything. What we have here is the case of player who refuse to think intelligently. Devs are making changes in accuracy. They are not removing CS. No offense, you should pick your team wisely.

the reason i chose WHM was because i was looking for the job that looks and acts similar to this character Shiroe in the anime Log Horizon.

I follow look/lore/style that suit me more at first but then I take every healer (every jov actually) to 60 and tried them in different istances. In the end I follow everything to choose a job I like: the style/lore I like more, the weapon they have, their skills and gameplay and how they sit in the overall game. I mostly use WHM which was my main in ARR now is DRK but I like to AST here and there too. I nearly never use SCH, I think it's a nice job just not my cup of tea.