"There are no seasonal rewards for party rankings."

But surely it's really easy to prevent the current level of win trading...

The language issue could be fixed very simply, and rules about how frequently to match people up against teams from the same server or with the same members could be implemented. The fact that they just let people exploit known loopholes shouldn't block legitimate players from a feature.

Sort of confused about 8v8 not allowing premades as I thought that was the entire point of that mode; casual fun with friends instead of stressful coordination with strangers.

is all wrong rank 50 together rank 1

This is in expected. Lol

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Originally Posted by nickx

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...king/thefeast/

Trying to fathom the reasoning behind this. Why is rated solo queue the only mode offering seasonal rewards? No seasonal rewards for rated light party gives little incentive to queue it. I understand that this could prevent potential wintrading, but shouldn't that be a problem for SE to figure out preventative measures for?

Please allow ranked light party to obtain the same seasonal rewards so that light party mode can stay active through out the season.

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Where in the link does it say this? U jumping to conclusions

Maybe they just omitted it by accident. They didn't specifically say no rewards for light party

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Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

Maybe they just omitted it by accident. They didn't specifically say no rewards for light party

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"There are no seasonal rewards for party rankings." under "Solo Ranked Rewards (Place)"

Coupled with the fact that the Rules of Engagement say your solo ranking doesn't change when you play in 4v4, it sounds as though you won't make any progress towards rewards unless you explicitly queue solo. It's not clear but a lot of us were expecting to be able to earn progress irrespective of how we queued.

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Originally Posted by xTysonx

1. Expecting Personal Player Skill to reach Top 100 with RNG Solo Que only.
SE is basically asking us to try our best to reach Top100 out of (randomly throwing numbers) 1000+ people using a system based on Win/Lose with random people/compositions EVERYTIME while also throwing a WIN Qualifier to gate us.

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Yeah i dont understand why they even made ranked solo-que, being at mercy of team RNG is not my cup of tea. There should only be 8v8 fun mode and 4v4 ranked mode imo, 4v4 ranked solo is just pointless. I guess i will stick to FL and maybe do that 8v8 if you can que there with friends as i have absolutely no intrest doing solo ques.

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Maybe they just omitted it by accident. They didn't specifically say no rewards for light party

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I dunno m8

OK I see it now. Dang.

So pray you get with good people, put in too much time, and this is "competitive?" They might as well change this to a rng roll.

This reward system is crazy.

Why not base it on percentiles and individual servers? Why is it so restrictive, and RNG only? For some of the larger data centers even grabbing number one on your server might not even get you a top ten spot in your data center.

Essentially ???

Disappointing to see the plan is for so few rewards restricted by data center. One furnishing for a season that lasts 3+ months and glamour gear that is also by data center? Hate to say it but I feel as a player on a small population server these items simply won't exist. So few players on my server actively participate in PvP. Many of those that do started because they saw things like people floating around on the ADS mount or walking around with PvP glamours equipped. They send me a tell and I explain where they can get these items and the next thing you know, there they are participating in PvP. The rewards are basically free advertising for these modes of the game, but when you so strongly restrict the rewards you lose that free advertisement.

I don't think every player should get all the rewards, and I like that performance and dedication to the game mode means something, but why not limit it to a set top number or percentage per server so the rewards get some exposure?

Well, I finally get bronze rank, and yet I still get people in my party who are new, it seems they don't filter people by ranks. :| It would be nice to have high ranked players vs high ranked players.

Haha, so just guessing but even if there's only 1m people subbed to this game, only 0.0006% of players will be able to obtain the glamour chest.

SE that is crazy.

The biggest problem I have with this is that it actively discourages community in a Massive Multiplayer game.

I don't even plan to get really high on team matches and I think this is stupid.

There isn't a point to having ranked anything if you don't get anything to show for it.

Ok. Lots of people complaining about "RNG Teammates".
Every single competitive game does this unless you go premade.
That's why it's called SOLO QUEUE
Don't know why you complain(or expect different) about something that has literaly been the standard for years.


And yea, no party rewards is pretty disencouraging.

Maybe if everyone and their mom didn't wintrade back in the day this wouldn't have happened.

SE please make reward in party ranking as well.
Don't make it only for Random players Pvp, it should have a random player pvp and premade scene as well in the game.
FFXIV can have pvp statics groups, encourages both random players and premade.
I think you make good choice in this pvp instance, to make it with no restriction and all, but don't avoid to get premade in the game It's a mistake.
There a comunity of players hyped about premade clash in pvp and players who like to pvp in solo queue, i don't think FFXIV is an exeption for this.
But tanks for this new pvp mode, now we have finaly have a pvp instance where you don't have to wait a lot to play, and it's easy to organize pvp if pf with this new format.
It's why GC restriction still bad in frontline, i would be glad you remove it for next update, don't keep the GC restriction and keep players waiting for the Lore Sake (it's just a background lore nobody care)

The community asks for a Lv60 PvP mode where you can play with your friends without GC restrictions and without being dead in two weeks.

The community get The Feast.

The community is pissed because even if they got what they asked for, they also wanted the shiny trinkets.

The community says that there's no point in just PvPing with your friends.

The FFXIV community.

This is really absurd. I can't imagine this sticking into Season 1, they'll HAVE to change it, right? How can you not reward organized parties? That's what team-based PVP is literally all about!

I know people will likely accuse me of "White Knighting" again, but what I'm doing is not that. What I am doing is closer to Devil's Advocating.

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This is really absurd. I can't imagine this sticking into Season 1, they'll HAVE to change it, right? How can you not reward organized parties? That's what team-based PVP is literally all about!

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Yes, it will stick into Season 1, which begins in 3 weeks with 3.25. Season 2, which will begin around 3.35, has a good possibility of having rewards for Ranked Premades.

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I know people will likely accuse me of "White Knighting" again, but what I'm doing is not that. What I am doing is closer to Devil's Advocating.



Yes, it will stick into Season 1, which begins in 3 weeks with 3.25. Season 2, which will begin around 3.35, has a good possibility of having rewards for Ranked Premades.

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How can you be certain? Do you work for SE? To delay premade rewards an entire season makes absolutely no sense. Why should people wait around for that? The purpose of this preseason is to gather data and feedback so changes can be made when Season 1 starts. If we as a playerbase don't speak up, then it won't change. But to sit here and accept it? That's bullshit. It's like have savage raids but the loot only drops from DF, not from going in with your premade party. Like, what's the point?

If you think they might change for season two then it's all the more important that we speak up now so they know people are unhappy. I haven't seen a single person worried about facing premades at all, which is a sign that this request isn't exactly unreasonable.

They took away the fun of working towards rank rewards and said it would be fine because The Feast rewards would make up for that. Now we find that only the brave who want to queue solo and deal with the fighting (already evident in this thread) are getting those. I don't want the queues to die like WD. We need incentives for premades too.

People are blowing this out of hand a little, but everyone agrees that grouped parties should have clear rewards. But this is why pre-season exists, so we can quickly tell them to fix these glaring oversights. Aside from this, everything else they've implemented seems pretty great. They've just messed up a bit with the rewards. It's just day 1 of pre-season, we just have to all give this feedback where they can see it.

This is insane. This is NOT how you do seasonal rankings. Try applying this logic to PVE. You can't get any drops, titles, gobwalkers etc if you do Savage with your static. You can only get it in Duty Finder.

Also, regarding the rewards, that's also kind of weird. ONE person per DATA CENTER? What? I thought everyone who got to Diamond Rank would at least get something, maybe a seasonal title? Like "Diamond Destroyer of the First Season" or something. What is the point of trying to reach top rank? Let's apply this to PVE again. Only those who have the most savage kills after the patch is done... only one person per data center gets the Gobwalker.

What?

And also;

- Max up to 2 players can queue for 8 v 8. Why?
- Only one player or fours players for 4 v 4? What?

It's so fun that every time SE implements something promising regarding PVP, they always manage to screw something up. They seriously have to stop wasting time on PVP if they are not going to do it right.

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How can you be certain? Do you work for SE? To delay premade rewards an entire season makes absolutely no sense. Why should people wait around for that? The purpose of this preseason is to gather data and feedback so changes can be made when Season 1 starts. If we as a playerbase don't speak up, then it won't change. But to sit here and accept it? That's bullshit. It's like have savage raids but the loot only drops from DF, not from going in with your premade party. Like, what's the point?

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Because many of the things that they need to have true premade team ranked pvp have not been added yet.

There is no way currently to register as a team so that the 4 players sink or swim together. Currently all the Feast (Ranked/Party) data tells people is that that person won X of Y preformed party vs preformed party matches. A person with 10 wins could have gotten those wins with anywhere between 1 and 10 different premade parties.

Would you rather have the single guy with the best Ranked/Party rank get the season's Trophy or the 4 person team with the best win rate get the Trophy?

None of this makes sense. ._.

No reward for ranking parties? Then why is there even a ranked party mode? People queue for the ranked modes because they want to earn ranks and rewards, take away the rewards and those ranks becoming meaningless. I could understand giving them DIFFERENT rewards, but no rewards at all is just... x.x

Per data center? Are you kidding me? 1/10/100 wouldn't be so bad if it was per server, but per data center is just cruel. Aether has 13 servers while Choas only has 8, which means it's very likely that at least 3 servers on Aether will not see a coat while Choas will see multiple coats on at least one server.

Also a coat and a hat? What about the rest of the outfit? Is next season the gloves, the boots, and the pants? If you don't win the next season as well, you'll forever have an incomplete outfit... lmao.

[EDIT] My ideas for a fix because, why not.
1) Make the rewards per server instead of per data center.
2) Give the top 10 the whole outfit not just the coat, top 100 can still have helm I guess.
3) Give the premade and solo queue ranked the same reward but with a difference (ie, different colors, one is dyable, both are dyable but different shades, something different but still similar)
4) Make the rewards per team instead of per person for premade ranked (ie top team gets trophy, top 10 teams get outfit, top 100 teams get helm. Possibly add a premade register? Just so you whole team gets the reward)
5) Allow people to rank up and seek rewards for both, but can only claim reward for one (whichever they are scored higher in)

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Because many of the things that they need to have true premade team ranked pvp have not been added yet.

There is no way currently to register as a team so that the 4 players sink or swim together. Currently all the Feast (Ranked/Party) data tells people is that that person won X of Y preformed party vs preformed party matches. A person with 10 wins could have gotten those wins with anywhere between 1 and 10 different premade parties.

Would you rather have the single guy with the best Ranked/Party rank get the season's Trophy or the 4 person team with the best win rate get the Trophy?

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...So? Most other MMO's do not have set teams for PVP. All that matters is that one team goes against another. Even in sports, players are put in or benched. This is no different.

Let me just get my 200 wins for the mount and not touch the mode (again). At work though so I can't really try it for myself yet. If no one minds me asking, how long does a typical match take?

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I haven't seen a single person worried about facing premades at all, which is a sign that this request isn't exactly unreasonable.

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I sure hope you're not implying premade teams should be put in the same queue as random people queuing solo, as that would be lopsided to say the least.

Anyway, my guess is that SE either,
1. Doesn't want to deal with the rampant wintrading that is inevitably going to happen (they need to expend resources to tackle it, or they can do nothing and let people get outraged - both will cost them money and the latter will kill the mode to boot).
2. Doesn't think the hardcore PvP community is big enough to support a credible premade ladder. I can easily imagine a case where you just end up seeing the same people over and over again (see point 1), which will only be exacerbated by rating based matchmaking narrowing your pool of potential opponents even further.

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Let me just get my 200 wins for the mount and not touch the mode (again). At work though so I can't really try it for myself yet. If no one minds me asking, how long does a typical match take?

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There's a hard time limit of 10 minutes (plus the 45 second prep time before each match starts) so no longer than that. Matches are quick, <5 minute games are possible if you get a blowout and steamroll your enemy.

I don't get the argument that this is to prevent win trading. This isn't like Triple-Triad or Verminion where you can simply stand in the same room with someone and guarantee you'll get matched with them. Match making is Duty Finder based, so it's random. To win trade you'd either have to collude with an entire data center; which would be impossible, or find a way to manipulate their matching algorithm in Duty Finder. Yes, people could arrange win-trades off-site and that would be an issue on the chance that the two parties do in fact get matched (which in and of its own is a very low chance); and is why I think our names shouldn't be visible mid-match, but they should at least take that chance and try something different.

GIVE US PARTY FEAST REWARDS!!!!!!!!

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I don't get the argument that this is to prevent win trading. This isn't like Triple-Triad or Verminion where you can simply stand in the same room with someone and guarantee you'll get matched with them. Match making is Duty Finder based, so it's random. To win trade you'd either have to collude with an entire data center; which would be impossible, or find a way to manipulate their matching algorithm in Duty Finder. Yes, people could arrange win-trades off-site and that would be an issue on the chance that the two parties do in fact get matched (which in and of its own is a very low chance)

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I don't think it's a very low chance at all. The PvP community is already small enough as it is - it will be a simple matter for two colluding teams to simply queue simultaneously at 3am or something where the vast majority of the datacenter is asleep.

If the penalties for refusing the duty finder pop are not strict, you can additionally game it the same way people game the Verminion queue for an additional level of certainty. Two wintraders queue, if one guy gets the pop and the other doesn't, you know a stranger is getting matched with you - so you drop it and both try again.

It seems a little counterintuitive, but if you think about it logically, making solo ranked the only 'real' mode is the best course of action for SE if they want the mode to stay alive. At least this way you pull from the entire server's population instead of the incredibly tiny subset that actually 1. Takes PvP seriously and 2. Bothers to make a premade team for it.

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...So? Most other MMO's do not have set teams for PVP. All that matters is that one team goes against another.

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Most other MMOs are not trying to turn their PvP into an E-Sport like SE seems to wants to make FFXIV's. I suspect that Yoshi-P may have talked his bosses into giving FFXIV more money by implying that it would be possible to turn FFXIV PvP into a pro/semi-pro E-Sport.

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Even in sports, players are put in or benched. This is no different.

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In pretty much all those cases, the players that are put-in/benched are already registered/contracted members of the team. They are already know as members of the team they are just being made active or being put in reserve.

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Most other MMOs are not trying to turn their PvP into an E-Sport like SE seems to wants to make FFXIV's. I suspect that Yoshi-P may have talked his bosses into giving FFXIV more money by implying that it would be possible to turn FFXIV PvP into a pro/semi-pro E-Sport.

In pretty much all those cases, the players that are put-in/benched are already registered/contracted members of the team. They are already know as members of the team they are just being made active or being put in reserve.

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So how is pigeon holing competitive players into an non-competitive format (Solo queue) Promoting their game as a potential E-sport? You're not making sense in the slightest...A team based PVP game mode should be promoting their team-based pvp...

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I don't think it's a very low chance at all.

It seems a little counterintuitive, but if you think about it logically, making solo ranked the only 'real' mode is the best course of action for SE if they want the mode to stay alive. At least this way you pull from the entire server's population instead of the incredibly tiny subset that actually 1. Takes PvP seriously and 2. Bothers to make a premade team for it.

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I agree with this. Everyone knows who the "stack things in my favor" PvPers are, and those of us on Aether have a good idea of just how willing they are. The top spot (hell, maybe the top 10 spots) had absolutely zero chance of being touched by players outside of their clique.

I do think the number of rewards should be increased, (Top .1%, Top 1%, Top 10%?) but if you're good enough to cross a percentage threshold with a team, you can do it solo.

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I'll respond to both you and the person you quoted. The reason the PVP community is so small is because there is no incentive to PVP. There have been very little to no rewards for a very long time. If there was more incentive, I guarantee the population would be higher.

That said, "stacking things in your favor" is the whole point of premade teams. You get together skilled, like minded players to work towards the top. In party play, everyone is in a party, so I don't see how any one team has the upper hand in anything other than skill.

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I agree with this. Everyone knows who the "stack things in my favor" PvPers are, and those of us on Aether have a good idea of just how willing they are. The top spot (hell, maybe the top 10 spots) had absolutely zero chance of being touched by players outside of their clique.

I do think the number of rewards should be increased, (Top .1%, Top 1%, Top 10%?) but if you're good enough to cross a percentage threshold with a team, you can do it solo.

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Ya, I think reward wise it should have a similar mentality to the Mega Cactpot.

Say something like. Reward Quanity starts at 100% then for each player who gets over 500 in ranking .1% is added to that quantity. Then if players get over 2k another .2% is added to that mix.

So let's say 500 players made it to 910 and 150 made it to 2k+ 50% for those 500 players and 45% for the 150 players, which sadly would just miss the ability to offer second place the grand prize but it would Body gear to 19 and Head gear to 195 players so overall 195 players get reward out of those 650 players. Which does mean that the 45 players from the 500 player list would at least gear a head gear while the 150 at 2k+ all are guaranteed to get head piece.

I think a method like this would create incentive to keep pushing to become stronger/win because at one point if you keep trying to play you may just become discouraged much like in Triple Triad when you see 50 wins, near max point for all the people on the chart you pretty much go "pft not gonna win no point joining in tourney." Which will happen with Feast if a player who let's say has 250 look at the current and sees other players with 3k-4k, they will just go, "no chance I"ll rank so I won't even bother this season."

At least by creating a reward system that can increase in quantity you encourage people to push to the last moment.

I'm really enjoying getting matched with people who can't even ignore CC marked targets or heal me.Solo ranked mode? More like solo RNG mode. SE needs to give BLM a bone here and give us another free level 60 ranged, or do something about cast interrupt in solo mode, should be a chance not a certainty.