VIT will scale with attack power, STR will scale but not as much

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Originally Posted by Babzy

Is nobody alarmed at the absurd amount of parry on fending pieces? this by itself makes me sad.

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Tank BIS will be entirely dependent on diadem luck. :D

I am pretty excited for this. I started tanking long ago when fending was still "in" and it liked being able to weather hits without using a cooldown and having lots of HP... Felt right like others have stated. I asked a little while ago here about whether to gear with Eso fending or slaying accessories and despite some great advice held off... Glad for that now.

Although the ONE thing that made gearing more interesting is no longer a factor which is kind of sad.

Lucky for me I have a diadem set of fending. Would suck to be rushing now for the Fending pieces.

25k HP WARs gonna be having some fun.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

25k HP WARs gonna be having some fun.

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So close to "not worth mentioning" it's not funny. Are the people posting comments like this here the group that thought tank max hp on "STR tanks" was a detriment? Unless you were in danger of getting one-shot, this was never an issue.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Tank BIS will be entirely dependent on diadem luck. :D

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Thats all fine and dandy for people that actually do diadem. Yes I get that diadem gear can be amazing, but the reality is most of the time it isn't and I am not farming for hours on end for a possible fending accsessory without parry and probably accuracy (highly unlikely).

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

So close to "not worth mentioning" it's not funny. Are the people posting comments like this here the group that thought tank max hp on "STR tanks" was a detriment? Unless you were in danger of getting one-shot, this was never an issue.

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Last I checked, I wasn't anywhere near your bowl of cereal for me to piss in it. I didn't imply anything like you stated, with my post. Some people would probably like to see BIG NUMBERZ HP while dealing damage. Honestly if I WAS near you, it would be my honor and pleasure to pull the tree out of your ass.

And to answer your question, I'm not one of them, and I never wore full VIT. Just who the HELL is going to gimp themselves like that in 60 content?

Actually, don't you even freaking answer that. It'll probably be some high and mighty condescending answer "not worth mentioning".

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Originally Posted by Babzy

Is nobody alarmed at the absurd amount of parry on fending pieces? this by itself makes me sad.

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Parry is the new meta!

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Originally Posted by IskarJarak

Parry is the new meta!

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meaby they revamp parry and scale with str again, how knows.

Yeah, I really do hope they change parry.

Well, I was wrong, but I'm glad they're making Strength not completely useless.

I do hope they refactor the leveling gear at some point, because this will complicate matters, but gearing for Vitality seems like it will be the most viable solution across the board. Glad I got on the train early.

I'm also quietly hoping the patch notes tell us that they're doing something to make Parry more viable as a defensive stat. Otherwise, tank BiS might still pull some Slaying pieces into the mix (if a Fending piece somehow has enough Parry that its Crit-Det Slaying equivalent is still better).

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

So depending on how much STR will still effect damage, you may find that while tanks wont be stacking DPS accessories, the crafted accessories will be even stronger than they were.

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You cannot overmeld main stat in 3.2 so this will be impossible.

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Originally Posted by Instrumentality

You cannot overmeld main stat in 3.2 so this will be impossible.

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Which is funny because the secondaries are so much less powerful in HW that it makes this new raid melding a little comical.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Which is funny because the secondaries are so much less powerful in HW that it makes this new raid melding a little comical.

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Also just makes it less potentially game-breaking to allow, so why not?

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Originally Posted by Jpec07

I do
I'm also quietly hoping the patch notes tell us that they're doing something to make Parry more viable as a defensive stat. Otherwise, tank BiS might still pull some Slaying pieces into the mix (if a Fending piece somehow has enough Parry that its Crit-Det Slaying equivalent is still better).

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This is definitely something that can happen. I think I was working around with stats on ariyala earlier and if strength still has at minimum a .8 weighting to vitality (sheer speculation and it could be higher or lower) than you will see Strength accessories in certain slots that are say... accuracy/parry fending pieces when you can't use anymore accuracy. That being said this entire possibility goes to shit if you drop strength to around the .5 vit = 1 STR (1:2) mark. at that point you could have nothing but the fully allotted vitality on the accessory and the strength still wouldn't be better due to stat weights.

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Originally Posted by Babzy

This is definitely something that can happen. I think I was working around with stats on ariyala earlier and if strength still has at minimum a .8 weighting to vitality (sheer speculation and it could be higher or lower) than you will see Strength accessories in certain slots that are say... accuracy/parry fending pieces when you can't use anymore accuracy. That being said this entire possibility goes to shit if you drop strength to around the .5 vit = 1 STR (1:2) mark. at that point you could have nothing but the fully allotted vitality on the accessory and the strength still wouldn't be better due to stat weights.

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They did say the tanks could go Full Vit now, so the second option is more likely

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Originally Posted by Instrumentality

You cannot overmeld main stat in 3.2 so this will be impossible.

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yeah, but vit 5's and str 5's are readily available now. 15 main stat in the normal meld slots are really strong and could potentially cap out the main stats on the item depending on how many slots an item has. being able to take a Slaying accessory and slapping on say 45 Vitality with 3 meld slots (not saying that it's going to happen just that it could, especially with the crafted gear being as promoted as it is for the patch)

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Originally Posted by Babzy

yeah, but vit 5's and str 5's are readily available now. 15 main stat in the normal meld slots are really strong and could potentially cap out the main stats on the item depending on how many slots an item has. being able to take a Slaying accessory and slapping on say 45 Vitality with 3 meld slots (not saying that it's going to happen just that it could, especially with the crafted gear being as promoted as it is for the patch)

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The norm will likely be vit tome/raid accessories with a single str 5 in each(assuming stat caps don't change, as right now you can't meld vit on vit accessories).

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Originally Posted by Babzy

This is definitely something that can happen. I think I was working around with stats on ariyala earlier and if strength still has at minimum a .8 weighting to vitality (sheer speculation and it could be higher or lower) than you will see Strength accessories in certain slots that are say... accuracy/parry fending pieces when you can't use anymore accuracy. That being said this entire possibility goes to shit if you drop strength to around the .5 vit = 1 STR (1:2) mark. at that point you could have nothing but the fully allotted vitality on the accessory and the strength still wouldn't be better due to stat weights.

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It would be interesting if they added a Riposte mechanic of some kind - your next autoattack after successfully parrying an attack is given an additional 25-50 potency (maybe more). Giving it some DPS value would help greatly

It's too early to speculate on this, but I guess I just really hope they do something to make it better. A 30% chance at 20% mitigation when wearing full Parry gear means roughly 6% overall mitigation on physical attacks - and that's a drop in the bucket with how slow damage in FFXIV goes out.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Which is funny because the secondaries are so much less powerful in HW that it makes this new raid melding a little comical.

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Dervys done all the math and ran 4 different scenarios of how VIT/STR interacts with AP.

Either, Secondaries for tanks will stay the same, or they'll blow up.

I'm okay with the vit change, but I feel like not much will change. All tanks roll vit, and vit accs, and we suffer a small dps loss due to ratios and all that. The part that worries me the most is that parry is all over the place, and this pretty much negates any choices in peice we would have simply because parry isn't worth a damn, or be forced to wear parry because it comes on both piece options. I'm intrested in how this will play out in 3.2

Currently full VIT vs. full STR is something like a 300 point difference in attack power. My guess is this gap is getting shrunk to like, 100 points.

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5 Fending right side, 2 have parry.

You replace those two with STR pieces.

Is the loss of VIT, now the superior attacking stat, going to be made up for by raw secondaries? I'm not seeing it. People may just have to deal with having parry on their gear while dealing superior damage and having a superior HP pool. What a goddamn shame. :|

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Originally Posted by Babzy

yeah, but vit 5's and str 5's are readily available now. 15 main stat in the normal meld slots are really strong and could potentially cap out the main stats on the item depending on how many slots an item has. being able to take a Slaying accessory and slapping on say 45 Vitality with 3 meld slots (not saying that it's going to happen just that it could, especially with the crafted gear being as promoted as it is for the patch)

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This sounds awful and like it would lock poor people out of raiding or even applying for raid groups if they can't afford to meld that amount of tier Vs.

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Originally Posted by Instrumentality

This sounds awful and like it would lock poor people out of raiding or even applying for raid groups if they can't afford to meld that amount of tier Vs.

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You can get tier 5s from Diadem, and you'll only need 5 total.

Also I believe they're adding new ways to obtain tier 4s/5s in 3.2.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

You can get tier 5s from Diadem, and you'll only need 5 total.

Also I believe they're adding new ways to obtain tier 4s/5s in 3.2.

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Read what the person I quoted said.

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Originally Posted by Instrumentality

Read what the person I quoted said.

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Ah, I see, they're saying there could be 3 hypothetical slots before overmelding. In that case it would take 15, which still isn't that bad (they'll also probably make it more affordable to get tier 5s from Diadem). If there aren't any changes to the costs for Diadem then it would probably be a bit more time consuming but at least all the melds would be 100% haha. I think there will just be 1 slot, anyway.

the V's are all easy enough to obtain now. this would be the extreme end of things but I do agree 3 slots would be a little much. Predicting Lore tomestones will be able to buy V's maybe?

"In regards to tanks, we’ll be looking at each of the three jobs’ defense traits and making overall adjustments to their values"

i want to know whats this mean, anyway for now i love this changes :p

I just hope they don't nerf WAR. I'd rather them buff the other two.

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Originally Posted by Syzygian

Currently full VIT vs. full STR is something like a 300 point difference in attack power. My guess is this gap is getting shrunk to like, 100 points.

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5 Fending right side, 2 have parry.

You replace those two with STR pieces.

Is the loss of VIT, now the superior attacking stat, going to be made up for by raw secondaries? I'm not seeing it. People may just have to deal with having parry on their gear while dealing superior damage and having a superior HP pool. What a goddamn shame. :|

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Yup, there goes even the tiniest illusion of having any choice on what gear to wear.

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Originally Posted by MiniTyra

Dervys done all the math and ran 4 different scenarios of how VIT/STR interacts with AP.

Either, Secondaries for tanks will stay the same, or they'll blow up.

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You don't happen to have a link for this do you? I don't see it on his wordpress blog but I'm interested in seeing how it all breaks down.

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Originally Posted by Ragology

I just hope they don't nerf WAR. I'd rather them buff the other two.

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DK and Warrior are doing just fine Paladins just need some oomph to catch up.

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Originally Posted by Bashum

Yup, there goes even the tiniest illusion of having any choice on what gear to wear.

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Welcome to the world of every other job in this game: quality as a player based on skill and not gear. What a fucking tragedy.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

You don't happen to have a link for this do you? I don't see it on his wordpress blog but I'm interested in seeing how it all breaks down.

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I know Dervy personally. You can say I basically am Dervy.

He doesn't want to publish anything in case people start uh... Taking what he says the wrong way. He himself doesn't know how SquareEnix will handle the changes until 3.2 hits, so he could give out the wrong impression with the numbers he has and mislead a lot of people.

The changes are a lot more volatile than many people are making them out to be, depending on how the new damage formula is constructed, how Strength and Vitality interact with AP and how they scale etc.

He did post this mock-up of very, very quick weight calculations however based on one of his scenarios: http://puu.sh/mPffH/425e4c495c.png

By 4.0 every class will have just one stat.

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Originally Posted by MiniTyra

He doesn't want to publish anything in case people start uh... Taking what he says the wrong way. He himself doesn't know how SquareEnix will handle the changes until 3.2 hits, so he could give out the wrong impression with the numbers he has and mislead a lot of people.

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But you're talking about it and potentially giving people false impressions anyway. Okay. >.>

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Originally Posted by Twilite

25k HP WARs gonna be having some fun.

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Can definitely agree. Large up pool and nice damage should open up the possibilities on want can be solo tanked/soloed. Saw you comment , and thought well here comes the warrior solos turn 13 videos lol.

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Originally Posted by Sarynth

Can definitely agree. Large up pool and nice damage should open up the possibilities on want can be solo tanked/soloed. Saw you comment , and thought well here comes the warrior solos turn 13 videos lol.

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Doesn't work that way, Defiance increases HP - not VIT. They're also trying to avoid the possibility of solo tanking as heavily as possible now so we aren't going to see any T5/T9 solo tank shenanigans in the future most likely.

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Originally Posted by Tyrio86

War fell cleave will be nerfed from 500 potency to 300. Wich will pretty much render war useless in the dps/ot station. Pld will go back to beeing the main tanks, drk will be the New off tank. And war will not be used in good gruops anymore.

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Even if this came to pass wars still bring too much utility to ever fall behind the other two tanks when it comes to being picked for progression parties

What I'm seeing is a buff to vit tanks, and a nerf to str tanks. I'm not seeing this as a buff to tanks in general.
There was pretty much no reason to wear vit before this patch once you had a certain amount of defense. Now gearing for vit will give some additional bonus, at the expense of str not being as useful. I wish I had the numbers to know how much, but all that I know is that vit tanks will now do some more damage, and str tanks will now do less damage.
Maybe str tanks will still do more damage than vit tanks. But no matter what, I'll be weaker than I am this patch. I can only hope that the damage weight of vit is high enough that I won't miss str tanking all that much.