Do the right thing! "Vote Dismiss"

I feel like the worst experiences often come from pre-made groups of 2 or 3 others and one outsider. I remember a group that was so mean-spirited and critical that I had to look them up afterwards..low and behold, all part of the same FC.

What does it matter if the tank selected cheating as his reason for vote-dismissing? You were going to vote him out anyway, don't see why you would even make a big deal out of that.

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Originally Posted by Syhrwyb

What does it matter if the tank selected cheating as his reason for vote-dismissing? You were going to vote him out anyway, don't see why you would even make a big deal out of that.

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because is wrong.....if there are no reasons to kick him and you need a fallacious reason...then is double wrong.

see my point ?

I'm actually surprised you got Neverreap, I've done 60 roulette 20 times now and I've Never gotten Neverreap.

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

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-Harassment

-Offline

-Incompetence X

If people think that's a viable reason to kick someone then why not make it an option to click that too? I wouldn't put one in for "My friend wants to hop in, sorry" though...

This is probably a bit generalised, but I wonder if people like this are because America has really poor mental health care?

People. OP bring in a valid point. Flagging people account's is not something that people should abuse of.

However this is internet and forums opinion does not always spread out to the actual in-game population. Some people just do not care and have no respect. That is something SE should enforce.

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Originally Posted by Jpec07

Does being vote-kicked actually flag your account? I'm legitimately not sure.

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Apparently they patched it where DF wont throw you in the same group if you're kicked, unlike before.

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Originally Posted by Syhrwyb

What does it matter if the tank selected cheating as his reason for vote-dismissing? You were going to vote him out anyway, don't see why you would even make a big deal out of that.

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Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut the bard was going to leave anyway.

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

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Ok whoahhh...

I was only trying to explain why it doesn't actually matter what the reason given for the kick is, by giving an example of a situation where a kick might be necessary for the success of the group but not fall under the list provided by SE. I didn't intend to argue the validity of the vote-kick system as a whole, but as such, I believe there's a mod post somewhere on this forum explaining why "differences of playstyle" is a valid reason for a kick.

I can agree with you that if the player isn't preventing the group from completing the dungeon they don't need to be kicked, and that kicking them for "harassment" is just a cherry on top of a nasty attitude toward new players in general, but it's really just an overly catty response that nobody but that party will ever see. It only matters when you're reporting someone so the gms know how to address the report, but they aren't going to look into a simple kick.

Not sure about bad or not bad. But a couple of people I know just freshly hit 60 and got to 150 and were doing roulette to try to get some extra tomes. They said the were ridiculed the whole runs for being 150. After we ran them a few times and the dungeon was no problem. Took maybe an extra 10 mins max.

I don't know where the line is, but don't people think they are treating another human being like that. I don't treat a slow cashier like that if they are slow and I have to stand in line for an extra 10 mins. I am going to go out on a limb and say 10 mins out of your day isn't that big a deal. It is not like you were late for surgery and someone died cause you took 10 more mins.

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Originally Posted by Jpec07

Does being vote-kicked actually flag your account? I'm legitimately not sure.

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No, or else all the tanks that fake DC to get kicked would have been thrown to GM jail, or receive some warning.

Story has holes or op Not telling full story

I assume the bard wasn't kicked because you guys argued about it.
Implies that everyone else (you and 4th person) voted no.
Then you get kicked, implying 4th person voted yes.
Does not compute.

And finally the bard should have just left if his parents are kicking him off, since the penalty won't matter to him. I hate ppl that have to go but just log out, making everyone else waste vote kicks.

@alimdia
Did you even read my post? The bard had already left/gone offline.

The bottomline was...the dismiss reason should have been: Offline

Cheating was a false claim. And while folks believe SE doesn't care. They have those "Reasons" there for a reason.
I assume being dismissed for cheating, harassment enough times will cause GMs to monitor and or warn/punish a player.

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Originally Posted by Defias

@alimdia
Did you even read my post? The bard had already left/gone offline.

The bottomline was...the dismiss reason should have been: Offline

Cheating was a false claim. And while folks believe SE doesn't care. They have those "Reasons" there for a reason.
I assume being dismissed for cheating, harassment enough times will cause GMs to monitor and or warn/punish a player.

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actually, for reporting those same events more then once, I received each time the same answer that they do not mix between players squabbles.

no matter what the reason you use SE doesnt care.

but it doesnt make it any less wrong, wrong on SE account to put something in place and not care and wrong from players part knowing that SE doesnt care they care even less.

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

actually, for reporting those same events more then once, I received each time the same answer that they do not mix between players squabbles.

no matter what the reason you use SE doesnt care.

but it doesnt make it any less wrong, wrong on SE account to put something in place and not care and wrong from players part knowing that SE doesnt care they care even less.

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Hmm... There's likely a disconnect going on here....

Likely, the GM doesn't care about the dispute because on their end Vote Kick Offline, Harassment, Cheating, etc. ultimately don't matter unless a report ticket is submitted as well. So you can kick anyone for any reason but SE won't look at it unless you actually report the player you kicked for cheating, harassment, so on and so forth.

Now, let's change the scenario.

If your BRD had not gone offline and was kicked by Dimissal - Cheating for doing nothing wrong then this is report-able.


How do I know? I once replaced a tank (similar to your BRD) who had been undergeared and someone kicked him at the last boss for being "bad". The healer was arguing with the 2 DPS who claimed he deserved the kick because he did not do mass pulls (his gear level wasn't high enough for it). After getting into it with the 2 dps, they told the healer and myself they literally kicked him for being "too weak". To add insult to injury he was kicked at the last boss as mentioned above without warning.

As a result, the healer and I reported the two DPS (their names, the time it took place, all that fun stuff was required). The GM responded within 10 minutes, spoke to me about the encounter, and told me it was a very big no no to vote dismiss people simply for being new and not being overpowered (duh, it hurts their bottom line with subs). He informed me that if the logs reflect the situation as I said it did (which it did I only quoted their words to him), then they would be getting a suspension.

He let me know all of this because I asked "is this in violation of the rules, to kick someone when they've done no wrong and the kickers admit to that?" to which the GM responded yes. These types of people are not the quickest and usually will incriminate themselves if called on their actions.


TL;DR - It's not that SE doesn't care.... The player who was dismissed was offline so it did not impact him negatively. Had he been online and was kicked for simply being too weak or new then your tank would've been sitting in a GM Jail Cell.

When in doubt report.

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Originally Posted by Zefiris

By fear of being kicked is that I did not yet do dungeon for Roulette Lv60 and Expert. I already have almost all the item iLvl 180 in my Sch, but already I imagine that there will be people thinking unpleasant things by I do not be 195+. I bought the expansion 1 month ago.

Perhaps I try when get Relic iLvl170 or 200. Still using weapon iLvl150 from craft.

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Yeah, the behavior of the community will make anyone cautious of joining content. I, personally, stay from content until I felt like I had the "I don't care!" attitude, in which I then join and if I get kicked, I get kicked. I've seen many Streaming videos where a player was kicked, then they group sat for 20 minutes waiting for a replacement.

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Originally Posted by Defias

@alimdia
Did you even read my post? The bard had already left/gone offline.

The bottomline was...the dismiss reason should have been: Offline

Cheating was a false claim. And while folks believe SE doesn't care. They have those "Reasons" there for a reason.
I assume being dismissed for cheating, harassment enough times will cause GMs to monitor and or warn/punish a player.

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Yes I did read your post.
Did you read mine?

-was bard kicked? y/n

We need more people like you OP. Thank you for being a good guy never stop being a good guy despite the numerous, numerous, NUMEROUS toxic players we have. You know I don't even think I would have given it a second thought myself and would have dismissed. So I guess I suck lol But you keep being the good guy :)

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Yes I did read your post.
Did you read mine?

-was bard kicked? y/n

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Yes he was kicked. Under the reason of: "Cheating"

Wow, that makes me sad :( I hope you reported him, OP! Vote Dismiss has its uses, this is not one of them.

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

Wow, that makes me sad :( I hope you reported him, OP! Vote Dismiss has its uses, this is not one of them.

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Yes. A report was filed.

The guy was already offline when he was kicked

You do not see the reason you were kicked when you get kicked

SE does not put flags on accounts if you get kicked for cheating

The reasons listed are so that your group members know why you are kicking the person so that you don't have to discuss it in chat. You can select any reason you want if someone is offline and needs to be kicked. It does not matter. It does not flag the account.