message from a player to part of the community about jobs

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

You have the wrong idea about FFXIV.

Jobs to not have "builds" or "specs" or "styles." They each have a single, stringent and optimal rotation - an ideal. Every buff and ability fits into a rhythm, which produces The Best Outcome when executed in time. Any deviation from this rhythm is necessarily Not-The-Best Outcome.

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The sooner you accept there's one way to do it, the sooner you can start mastering it.

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And that's where you fail as human. You standardize and put everything in the same exact mold when everyone is different and plays differently. I'm playing games since over 20 years ago. I'm used to never being mana empty. I find using fire repeatedly burn the bar too much, but I do have my small rotation that uses transpose. Never went bellow half the mp bar for no reason, best reasons being in boss fights. Guess you were a great bully in school.

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

And that's where you fail as human. You standardize and put everything in the same exact mold when everyone is different and plays differently.

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Everyone plays differently, and the way you're playing is objectively failing at the role you're queuing up as...that is, being a damage dealer. The matter of fact is, this game does not have talent trees or effective class/job customizations. There's always one way to deal damage that's generally the most effective, assuming the circumstances apply. You're either playing the class right, or you're not (and going by your OP, you aren't since you clearly are not utilizing the core mechanic of blackmage)

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

I'm playing games since over 20 years ago. I'm used to never being mana empty. I find using fire repeatedly burn the bar too much, but I do have my small rotation that uses transpose. Never went bellow half the mp bar for no reason, best reasons being in boss fights. Guess you were a great bully in school.

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You say that like it's a good thing... The entire point of BLM is to empty out your mp bar through fire spells (they csot so much mana because they are much more powerful), and you swap into umbral to regenerate that mana. By alternating your blizzard and fire spells without a thought, you're actually lowering your damage and using up more mp than you're regenerating because you don't ever stay in umbral to regenerate, while at the same time umbral reduces damage dealt by fire spells. You're literally going to do more damage by just spamming blizzard because it's always going to be the full damage and you keep umbral the entire time and never worry about mana. Sounds like SMN is more of your job if you're that concerned with having your mana drop below half (and even then, there are exceptions for SMN as well to empty out their mp).

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

And that's where you fail as human. You standardize and put everything in the same exact mold when everyone is different and plays differently. I'm playing games since over 20 years ago. I'm used to never being mana empty. I find using fire repeatedly burn the bar too much, but I do have my small rotation that uses transpose. Never went bellow half the mp bar for no reason, best reasons being in boss fights. Guess you were a great bully in school.

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If you're doing crap damage because of your "Playstyle" you're dragging people down, being inconsiderate and simply aren't playing well. It's one thing if you're learning and receptive to advise, but to close yourself off and take on such a juvenile "I pay my sub I'll play how I like" attitude means you deserve to be kicked.

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

And that's where you fail as human. You standardize and put everything in the same exact mold when everyone is different and plays differently. I'm playing games since over 20 years ago. I'm used to never being mana empty. I find using fire repeatedly burn the bar too much, but I do have my small rotation that uses transpose. Never went bellow half the mp bar for no reason, best reasons being in boss fights. Guess you were a great bully in school.

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Actually, this game is very on the rails, and does not allow people to play well using their own rotations based on preferance. Sure, you can use the really, really bad method you mentioned. But you will always be an anchor to your team, the kind people mention in the "Tails from the Duty Finder" thread. I think you are trolling myself, but on the off chance you aren't read, please your tool tips again.

You do realise you do more damage in astral fire with three stacks right, and very little damage in umbral ice. Also, your class has stupid mp regen, if you run out of mp, all you do is transponse, then cast blizz, and at most 6 seconds later you are full mp... there is no reason or logic between going to half mp. None at all, your preferance of this shows you have no understanding of how the class is built.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

You say that like it's a good thing... Sounds like SMN is moreof your job.

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It's more like my subjob. I'm a really decent healer, I'm trying to get thaum at 28 to get swiftcast. Raise and resurrect just have too long of a cast time and I saw the need to get it at some occasions when I met bad tanks or dps's not going for the adds and leading to the death of most of the party. But that's getting hard to do since I don't like the ''standardized and official'' black mage play style some players believe is the best.

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

It's more like my subjob. I'm a really decent healer, I'm trying to get thaum at 28 to get swiftcast. Raise and resurrect just have too long of a cast time and I saw the need to get it at some occasions when I met bad tanks or dps's not going for the adds and leading to the death of most of the party. But that's getting hard to do since I don't like the ''standardized and official'' black mage play style some players believe is the best.

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Not sure why you're judging other tanks or dps for being bad if they aren't doing their job, when you yourself feel like you shouldn't be judged for failing at your job of dpsing :l

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

And that's where you fail as human. .

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Mind your mana's.

May I add that I LOVE that your name is Sensei? I think you should use the upcoming mentor system and teach all upcoming BLMs. We need your words of wisdom to be spread amongst the peasant BLMs who fail to see mana is a scarce and limited resource!

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

If you're doing crap damage because of your "Playstyle" you're dragging people down, being inconsiderate and simply aren't playing well. It's one thing if you're learning and receptive to advise, but to close yourself off and take on such a juvenile "I pay my sub I'll play how I like" attitude means you deserve to be kicked.

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Giving advice and ordering the person to do something is totally different. Just to resume my playstyle for thaum: not burning my mana on small fries in dungeon (pointless to just fire repeatedly anyway), spending more on bosses and sub-bosses (2-3 fires followed by 2-3 blizzards without burning trought my mana to be the most helpfull at the right time).

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Actually, this game is very on the rails, and does not allow people to play well using their own rotations based on preferance. *snip, shortened*
You do realise you do more damage in astral fire with three stacks right, and very little damage in umbral ice. Also, your class has stupid mp regen, if you run out of mp, all you do is transponse, then cast blizz, and at most 6 seconds later you are full mp... there is no reason or logic between going to half mp. None at all, your preferance of this shows you have no understanding of how the class is built.

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Funny thing you mention 6 seconds, that can be the exact time where everyone but the black mage is still alive. And must I say that I checked the aggro I amass and get second in a party fast. Pretty sure using the ''official'' one grabs all the aggro from the tank. Often saw black mages fall too because of that.

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

Giving advice and ordering the person to do something is totally different. Just to resume my playstyle for thaum: not burning my mana on small fries in dungeon (pointless to just fire repeatedly anyway), spending more on bosses and sub-bosses (2-3 fires followed by 2-3 blizzards without burning trought my mana to be the most helpfull at the right time).

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You don't need to save your mana as a THM/BLM as everyone has been telling you. You can easily just empty out your mana with fire spells, tranpose to go into umbral, use blizzard, then start using fire when you regenerate to full. Your problem is that you're totally unaccepting and being unreceptive of advice to better your role, regardless of how it's given. People are goign to get justifably upset if you're not performing as a DPS by dpsing effectively because you're ignoring the core concept of your class.

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

Funny thing you mention 6 seconds, that can be the exact time where everyone but the black mage is still alive. And must I say that I checked the aggro I amass and get second in a party fast. Pretty sure using the ''official'' one grabs all the aggro from the tank. Often saw black mages fall too because of that.

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Then you're either going guns ablazing before the tank even gets the first hit, you're overgearing, or the tank isn't a good. And honestly at early levels, THM is very prone to pulling aggro because of how high their damage is... which means you're doing your job and the tank isn't considering normal circumstances.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

You don't need to save your mana as a THM/BLM as everyone has been telling you. You can easily just empty out your mana with fire spells, tranpose to go into umbral, use blizzard, then start using fire when you regenerate to full. Your problem is that you're totally unaccepting and being unreceptive of advice to better your role, regardless of how it's given. People are goign to get justifably upset if you're not performing as a DPS by dpsing effectively because you're ignoring the core concept of your class.

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I'm receptive to the advice given, but when the person just spam ''do as I say cause I'm da best'', I consider that an order and I don't really like getting orders from those that believe they are the best. Must have something to do with the agressive feeling of harassment they tend to exude...

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Then you're either going guns ablazing before the tank even gets the first hit, you're overgearing, or the tank isn't a good. And honestly at early levels, THM is very prone to pulling aggro because of how high their damage is... which means you're doing your job and the tank isn't considering normal circumstances.

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Never went before the tank could deal damage, I'm just monitoring the whole field to the best of my abilities, often checking my MP, my HP, the HP of others, the minimap, the adds that spawn, what enemy I can put to sleep (it's usefull) and wich has to be killed in priority and so on. I'm gessing I see Blackmage as a fine pinpoint tool that hurts where and when it's needed.

You have to think of it less as "do as I say because I'm better than you" and view this as "(try to) do as I say because it's literally better than what you're doing". Sometimes...people really are better than you. I ask tips from my WHM friend all the time because I'm a terrible WHM. Can't WHM myself out of a dark room with Holy. View this "order" as "well, you know, these people with more experience than me are telling me how this job works". I mean, if you don't believe any of this stuff, just try it out and see. Read the tooltips. Read the active help. Read the popups on your buff bar.

If you consider people teaching you to be an "order" and you don't like taking orders, how did you get through school?

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

I'm receptive to the advice given, but when the person just spam ''do as I say cause I'm da best'', I consider that an order and I don't really like getting orders from those that believe they are the best. Must have something to do with the agressive feeling of harassment they tend to exude...

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I literally do not believe that this is the case as opposed to your perspective of it, going by this quote

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

I'm making this message because I ended again with some overblown heads.... never being manaempty (rotating bliz and fire).
And here comes the overblown ego heads..

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It sounds more like you being overly offensive when told that your way of playing THM is wrong (which it is).

AskaRay, how many years of gamming do you have under the belt? I have over 20 years of gamming experience. 14ARR has only been online for a few years already and you tell me I must absolutelly follow the orders of those that believes themselves to be gods? I'm not a little lamb that will go and do what they want, I've met persons like them IRL, they're bullies that believe no one else is better than them. When they are unhappy about something, they usually hurt someone. here's a fact, no one is better and no one is worse, everyone is equal with me. I hate elitists who concrete pour something into a mold because it's the ''right'' way to do when in fact it just destroy. Pretty sure youre a borderline elitist too.

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

Funny thing you mention 6 seconds, that can be the exact time where everyone but the black mage is still alive. And must I say that I checked the aggro I amass and get second in a party fast. Pretty sure using the ''official'' one grabs all the aggro from the tank. Often saw black mages fall too because of that.

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You may want to make sure you are targeting the mob the tank is. Also this is why quelling strikes is used for blm. But was does everyone but you dying have to do with the time it takes you to regain mp? You aren't the healer. And it's not lime you can't cast spells during this time. You just stick to any spells but ones that give you Astral fire stacks during the mp regen phase.

Also how is everyone but the blm alive if you are the one grabbing aggro? Logic says if you grab aggro, you die first. Or the tank has died and you are second on the list, you die second. But you you grab aggro and then the tank dies, it is likely because you targetted a mob that is not the primary, then the haeler had to juggle you and the tank, resulting in a wipe with an inexperienced healer. Given your lack of understanding of the job, it is likely that you are part of the cause of the wipe.

Also its not that you aren't using the "optimal" rotation for your job, you are using a terrible one. In this game you can't just do a random rotation and end up with 90% of the damage of the optimal one, the design does not allow for it. You end up with really really bad dps.

Honestly, if you have been playing games for 20 years and throw that around, you should be able to figure this simple stuff out. That you are throwing it around while defending such an ignorant rotation and reasons for it just means you haven't learned all that that experience should teach you. Also with an aging gamer population, you should consider that that benchmark isn't a very good one to throw about, you will have many who have been gaming for 30+ on these forums. Actually, the only thing that much experience can really teach you is which way to hold the controller, and that you should read the tooltips.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

I literally do not believe that this is the case as opposed to your perspective of it, going by this quote
It sounds more like you being overly offensive when told that your way of playing THM is wrong (which it is).

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You never had to deal with bullies, right? And as I said, there is no wrong way to play. If the game became real life, then now it would matter the most to play it at it's apex of power, but then again, we ain't in Log Horizon universe here. And yes, I get offensive when I see someone push his weight around as if he's the king of the world, the cream of the cream, the best in everything. That's what causes so much crap to hit the fans and makes the world turn square.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

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Also how is everyone but the blm alive if you are the one grabbing aggro? Logic says if you grab aggro, you die first. Or the tank has died and you are second on the list, you die second. But you you grab aggro and then the tank dies, it is likely because you targetted a mob that is not the primary, then the haeler had to juggle you and the tank, resulting in a wipe with an inexperienced healer. Given your lack of understanding of the job, it is likely that you are part of the cause of the wipe.

Also its not that you aren't using the "optimal" rotation for your job, you are using a terrible one. In this game you can't just do a random rotation and end up with 90% of the damage of the optimal one, the design does not allow for it. You end up with really really bad dps.

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Because not enough mana means not grabbing the aggro. And I do believe that bliz spells grab way less than fire spells.

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

Because not enough mana means not grabbing the aggro. And I do believe that bliz spells grab way less than fire spells.

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Because they do way less damage. You know, the thing you are there to do. But either way, you say you grab lots of aggro, which if there has been so many times with a party wipe, and you being the last to die, is untrue. Also, it's ideal for you to have aggro after the tank, that way every thing doesn't rush the healer if the tanks die. I have been BLMT many times, and its not that bad. Also, if you are building too much aggro on one target, its not the end of the world to throw one or two fires at some other mob while the tank solidifies aggro before switching back, a 20 year vet should be able to figure these things out.

I'm going to make another post here: Why the hell are you targeting my way of getting the job done when the subject is about those overblown heads that cause players to quit because they are pushing their weight around! There's no right way nor any wrong way to play any jobs! I'm feeling like this is the best place for trolls to hang out and attack players when in fact someone is trying to raise a good point about one huge issue in the player base, which is those that believe each job has a clear cut way of being played and you cannot derail from that way. Pretty sure it's mindsets like that that causes the most wars in the world.

And attacking one person to hide the problem won't change anything, which is exactly what is happening in this thread.

Your options are limited here, Sensei. You can continue calling people bullies and disregarding the advice you've been given or you can go and at least give it a shot and try to make the suggested improvements. You're making yourself look worse every time you post. It was funny at first but now it's full of cringe.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Because they do way less damage. You know, the thing you are there to do.

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I view black mages as polyvalent toolboxes that can pull a sleep spell on one annoying enemy at the right time, save the team at another with a well placed spell and actually staying where it is needed most. What I don't view the blackmage as: huge aggro grabbers that just spam fire as if that was the only thing they knew to do. Yes, I have a rotation, yes, it is effective, no, I don't run on empty mana, and no, I don't listen to ingame bullies as well as IRL ones. Now back to the real subject, the problem in the community.

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

I'm going to make another post here: Why the hell are you targeting my way of getting the job done when the subject is about those overblown heads that cause players to quit because they are pushing their weight around! There's no right way nor any wrong way to play any jobs!

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So it's not wrong if the tanks aren't picking up adds or keeping aggro? That healers don't have to keep you up and focus on dpsing?

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

I view black mages as polyvalent toolboxes that can pull a sleep spell on one annoying enemy at the right time, .

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Most enemies in dungeons past level 50 are immune to sleep. At that point your best asset is the amount of damage you can deal, and is still your best asset before hand. There's often times that sleep isn;'t needed if things die fast enough.

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

Ya know what? Wouldn't have happened if so many persons came in here just to attack the playstyle of one player in the multitude. We could have had a great debate and found solutions to this growing problem of overblown egoes and players that just want to quit because of the harassment they recieve in game

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And don't you believe that something is wrong on your end if almost everyone is against you? Most of us, me included, have tried our best to be reasonable with our approaches and you still go on about the "overblown ego"s over and over, at this point you are the one that doesn't want to move on with the thread after everyone else has tried to progress and contribute to it.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Your options are limited here, Sensei. You can continue calling people bullies and disregarding the advice you've been given or you can go at least give it a shot and try to make the suggested improvements. You're making yourself look worse every time you post. It was funny at first but not it's full of cringe.

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Ya know what? Wouldn't have happened if so many persons came in here just to attack the playstyle of one player in the multitude. We could have had a great debate and found solutions to this growing problem of overblown egoes and players that just want to quit because of the harassment they recieve in game. Guess that's why some persons hate FF14 so much now, specially the forums. There's complete hate threads on other forums just about FF14. This thread has officially derailed and as it's creator, I plan on rerailing it. If you have any problem with that, just don't post here anymore.

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

I view black mages as polyvalent toolboxes that can pull a sleep spell on one annoying enemy at the right time, save the team at another with a well placed spell and actually staying where it is needed most. What I don't view the blackmage as: huge aggro grabbers that just spam fire as if that was the only thing they knew to do. Yes, I have a rotation, yes, it is effective, no, I don't run on empty mana, and no, I do n't listen to ingame bullies as well as IRL ones. Now back to the real subject, the problem in the community.

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Which is funny, because a huge, huge problem with the community is dpa not being able to meet even mediocre dps checks, causing countless wipes in content, yet here you are, defending doing your job terribly... Also, it doesn't matter how you view the job, as has been stated many times to you. The BLM is a damage turret, the game design doesn't allow for the kind of play you want. Believe me, I really do wish that it did, it would be a lot more fun that way. But you are playing your way, at the expense of the team, you are a hinderance to your team, not a help. And the more you write the more I have to assume you are trolling, that is how inncorrect the things you are saying are.

Also, there is no debate about in game bullies when you are the one promoting terrible playstyle that is a detriment to your team. If anything you are the bully for forcing such an absolutely bad teamate on them. Your style of play is better reserved for preformed rp parties where everyone knows they are playing poorly, but prefer the rp element over the play element.

Also in regards to your view that everyone is attacking you, I read a saying recently, and this is not an attack, just something to consider:

If you wake up in the morning and the first person you run into is an a-hole, they are the a-hole. If everyone you run into all day is an a-hole, you are the a-hole.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

So it's not wrong if the tanks aren't picking up adds or keeping aggro? That healers don't have to keep you up and focus on dpsing?

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Never said it was wrong, just said that there were players who were just bad. A few pointers can help them, but ordering them to do it a specific way cause you believe you are the best is just another description of a bully. I saw good playstyles that varies with each person's personal touch. I also saw bad playstyles that actually worked. Were they the best or the worsts, doubt it, but they sure did the job. What I don't want to take in this game are those bullies who write a huge wall of text in chat ordering you how to play their way as if they were the absolute best. That's also what I want to destroy the most since it kills the player base and removes the imagination from the players. If you start believing this game is a RPG based on DDR, then it's not an RPG anymore, it's DDR (reference to one previous answer).

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

*snip, not usefull to repeat what this persons type anymore*

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Let's just ignore him for now since he wants to keep the subject derailed and keep attacking me and my mini-gun playstyle.

This ego issue you are experiencing is due to your inability to correctly play your job. You're not being removed because people have a huge ego, or believe they are 'above' you. You're being removed because you're simple not producing desirable or sufficient results, at which point you become detrimental to the teams goals. If you was playing it how it was designed than you more than likely wouldn't be having this issue. It has already been pointed out that the job/game is very on the rails, especially at lower levels. Flexibility in how your play your job is not something XIV provides.

Perhaps you'd enjoy playing GW2 more, or a game with specs/customization options?

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

Never said it was wrong, just said that there were players who were just bad. A few pointers can help them, but ordering them to do it a specific way cause you believe you are the best is just another description of a bully. I saw good playstyles that varies with each person's personal touch. I also saw bad playstyles that actually worked. Were they the best or the worsts, doubt it, but they sure did the job. What I don't want to take in this game are those bullies who write a huge wall of text in chat ordering you how to play their way as if they were the absolute best. That's also what I want to destroy the most since it kills the player base and removes the imagination from the players. If you start believing this game is a RPG based on DDR, then it's not an RPG anymore, it's DDR (reference to one previous answer).

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I'm usually not rude, but willful ignorance is the thing that pisses me off the most. If you don't wanna be told how to do your job, then do it properly. Period. It's not a single player game, people are counting on you, you have expectations to meet and they have every right to not be satisfied with your performance. The fact that they even try to help you and you just reject it is ridiculous.
Don't wanna be judged on your performance, then go play exclusively with friends or switch to a single player. If you want everyone to do their job, make sure you do yours.

And regarding your statement about BLM: No, your play style is wrong, you're not meeting standards you should be meeting and it is a problem for everyone else in your party.

Hi, Black Mage Main chiming in.

You're doing it wrong.

Basically, until you get your 'III" spells, you:

Fire 1 until empty, transpose, thunder, fill with Blizz 1, transpose to fire, repeat.

When you get your III spells, transpose is an emergency "Damn I don't have enough to Blizz 3."

Fire 1 to near empty. Blizz 3. Thunder. Fire 3 at full, Fire 1 to near empty. Repeat.

Sorry, there is no other 'good' way of playing Black mage, because the way I listed is still horribly sub-optimal, and that's 85% of playing pre-60 Black Mage.

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Originally Posted by Pence

This ego issue you are experiencing is due to your inability to correctly play your job. You're not being removed because people have a huge ego, or believe they are 'above' you. You're being removed because you're simple not producing desirable or sufficient results, at which point you become detrimental to the teams goals. If you was playing it how it was designed than you more than likely wouldn't be having this issue. It has already been pointed out that the job/game is very on the rails, especially at lower levels. Flexibility in how your play your job is not something XIV provides.

Perhaps you'd enjoy playing GW2 more, or a game with specs/customization options?

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And they manage to decide that in the first 2 minutes of a dungeon, just by meeting small critters. Yeah right, huge decision here. Big bullies want to play their way, they see someone play slightly differently, they push that person out. Youre part of the problem Pence.

By the way, the 2 minute is a figure of speech. If only a 10th of the dgn has been explored, it is not valid to attack someone's play style until you meet a subboss. After the subboss, some pointeers can be given, but ordering the player how to play and being rude kills the player base.

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

And they manage to decide that in the first 2 minutes of a dungeon, just by meeting small critters. Yeah right, huge decision here. Big bullies want to play their way, they see someone play slightly differently, they push that person out. Youre part of the problem Pence.

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You can't kick people 2 minutes into the dungeon... At this point now I know you're over exaggerating, lying, and clearly have no intentions of trying to better yourself at this game. If you're that upset about people getting angry at you because you're slowing them down, then stop playing the game. You're clearly not enjoying it, and you're honestly not here to get receptive feedback, just to start more arguments.

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Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel

Let's just ignore him for now since he wants to keep the subject derailed and keep attacking me and my mini-gun playstyle.

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Interesting. People who don't immediatly tell me I'm right, and that all the big baddies are wrong are attacking and derailing. However, I notice you never respond to the points about how this game is designed totally on the rails. You do know the difference between a themepark game and sandbox one don't you? Your 20+ years that you keep trying to bully people with should tell you a little bit about this.

*Sees OP's thread topic. Reads all responses. Realizes how terrible OP I'd being in thread to other people for no real reason. OP throws around claim that pretty much everyone that disagrees with him is a bully. Laughs at how bad OP is in thead. Leaves thread. Laughs more.*

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Interesting. People who don't immediatly tell me I'm right, and that all the big baddies are wrong are attacking and derailing. However, I notice you never respond to the points about how this game is designed totally on the rails. You do know the difference between a themepark game and sandbox one don't you? Your 20+ years that you keep trying to bully people with should tell you a little bit about this.

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You can just quote this any time he posts again.

Hi, this is Kabooa. I have 24+ years of gaming experience. That trumps your 20+. As a Black mage main in this game, I am telling you, SenseiSoriel, that you are doing it wrong. You're doing it wrong.

Your 'playstyle' is wrong.

You don't use your hands in soccer unless you're a goalie.
You don't use your feet in Baseball to swing a bat.
You don't Fire/Ice/Fire/Ice as a Black Mage.

You're wrong.

You're so wrong.

Get better.

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Originally Posted by Zephera

This thread is a great case of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

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At least the Dunning-Kruger effect assumes the subject has no reference point for good or bad. This guy is bad, really bad, knows he's bad, has been told he's bad but is somehow trying to insist that he's good. I think he's bullying other players into suffering through his suck.

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Originally Posted by Zephera

This thread is a great case of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

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*googles Dunning-Kruger effect*

I'm going to throw this term around everywhere now, so I can pretend to be smart and feel superior to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Pence

*googles Dunning-Kruger effect*

I'm going to throw this term around everywhere now, so I can pretend to be smart and feel superior to everyone.

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Just remember that there is no right way to style on the forums. That's the real lesson to take from this thread.

It's my forum subscription, I'll post how I want!

A thread with no lesson, has a lot of lessons.

Threadception.

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Originally Posted by Pence

A thread with no lesson, has a lot of lessons.

Threadception.

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